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---Logopened Fri Jun 21 00:00:34 2019
00:00<jmcnaught>tripkin: not sure, I only have buster on my laptop and it doesn't have play/pause, next etc. multimedia keys
00:02<tripkin>jmcnaught, ok. Thanks again!
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00:07<tripkin>jmcnaught, somehow, even though I have removed timidity-daemon and timidity, and having rebooted, timidity is somehow magically running and has taken over my sound card. Any ideas?
00:07<tripkin>It doesn't show in htop, either...
00:07<tripkin>Ah, the fun... Not!
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00:09<jmcnaught>tripkin: did you look at 'sudo lsof | grep /dev/snd' again?
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00:10<petos>hola
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00:10<tripkin>jmcnaught, that is where I see it has control again. apt has them as not installed
00:13<jmcnaught>tripkin: the second column of the lsof output is a process ID, if you take that PID and do 'systemctl status <PID>' which unit does it show you the status for?
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00:14<tripkin>jmcnaught, timidity.service. d'oh
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00:15<tripkin>jmcnaught, which does not exist. LOL
00:17<jmcnaught>tripkin: well, if you 'systemctl stop timidity' can you use your soundcard again?
00:18<tripkin>jmcnaught, I have had so many troubles and so much stuff that simply does not run any more (vbox 6, for instance), that I think I am going to roll back to stretch and wait. The few things that actually work now are not enough to combat the things that do not.
00:18<tripkin>jmcnaught, yes, I was able to regain control. Thanks for that.
00:18<tripkin>My server is definitely going to have to wait for a point release or two...
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00:20<jmcnaught>tripkin: I am curious why timidity is still around after you removed it. You might need to purge the package to get rid of its init script, but I don't know why the binary would still be present.
00:26<tripkin>I am also curious about that. timidity.service and timidity-daemon do not exist on my system
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00:28<jmcnaught>tripkin: does the file /etc/init.d/timidity still exist? systemd generates service units on the fly for services that only have LSB init scripts
00:28<tripkin>jmcnaught, I had not installed timidity-daemon, that came in with Buster...
00:30<jmcnaught>tripkin: that's weird too. I upgraded a laptop from stretch to buster (a few weeks ago) and I didn't get any surprise timidity. Maybe 'aptitude why timidity-daemon' will give you some clues.
00:30<tripkin>jmcnaught, the init script does not exist
00:31<tripkin>jmcnaught, my brother upgraded his laptop without issues as well. I am finding it a bit bizarre.
00:31<tripkin>aptitude was uninstalled by stretch when it upgraded from Jessie, and I have not used it since.
00:32<jmcnaught>aptitude's search and why make it worth keeping around in my opinion
00:35<tripkin>ok. I will install aptitude and check that
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00:39<tripkin>Ah, I see. A game called frozen-bubble depends on libsdl-mixer1.2 which recommends timgm6mb-soundfont which suggests timidy which suggests timidity-daemon. frozen-bubble will not make it back on to this system...
00:40<jm_>aptitude++ :)
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00:41<jmcnaught>It's still weird though, because suggests would not normally be installed by default. Oh well.
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00:42<jm_>recommends, not suggests?
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00:44<tripkin>It recommends the one, but only suggests the two timidity apps
00:44<tripkin>q
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00:46<tripkin>jm_, Thanks for the troubleshooting help. Looks like aptitude really has it's uses! <grin>
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00:51<jm_>tripkin: jmcnaught, not me :)
00:52<tripkin>jm_, my apologies, thanks for the correction. jmcnaught, thanks for the troubleshooting help
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02:23<zero_>hey
02:23<zero_>anyone here?
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02:25<jm_>some are
02:26<oda>zero_, no
02:26<zero_>ok
02:27<zero_>so im watching this tutorial on an isolated dual boot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6854EiOF7QE my question is can you see the linux files on the windows OS after its done? Lets say windows was infected could that spread to the linux os?
02:28<jm_>there are FS drivers for linux filesystems for windows so yes, it's still possible in theory
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02:35<zero_>nm
02:35<zero_>jm
02:35<zero_>did you watch that video to see how he isolated the os?
02:35<zero_>@jm_
02:36<ramfs_stretchS>on xfce, thunar was loading a cd, and trying to open extra instances just freezes until cd completes operation. what's a way to open a window in this situation?
02:37<ramfs_stretchS>my favorite os isolation was always unpluggable hdd
02:39<jm_>zero_: nothing is isolated at all, it's all on the same storage
02:39<zero_>damn
02:39<zero_>stupid clickbait video
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02:45<Guest5594>Do you really believe thet systemd is the future?!
02:45<jm_>Guest5594: let's not start a flame war here
02:46<zero_>hey @jm_
02:46<Guest5594>It is a question. It is not a flame war.
02:46<zero_>if I were to install mx linux couldn't I just download parrot os privacy tools from the package manager?
02:46<jm_>zero_: we only support debian here, for questions about parrot OS best ask here:
02:47<jm_>!parrot
02:47<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
02:47<zero_>both are debain lol
02:47<jm_>!based on debian
02:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
02:48<zero_>how do I enter parrot os channel
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02:50<jm_>irc://irc.freenode.net/parrotsec see if right clicking on the URL gives you options
02:50<jm_>otherwise manually connect to irc.freenode.net and #parrotsec
02:51<zero_>i got it
02:51<zero_>but no one is talking
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02:51<zero_>im just wondering if mx linux users can download parrot tools
02:51<zero_>why cant u answer that
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02:53<jm_>because I have absolutely zero idea about mx linux and parrot
02:54<zero_>would you let me give you a hug or a kiss?
02:54<zero_>if we met
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02:58<zero_>@jm_ hello?
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02:59<lucmr>hey
03:00<lucmr>there
03:00<zero_>im looking for someone to kiss/ hug
03:00<zero_>can it be u?
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03:02<zero_>im dissapointed
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03:12<mojikun>zero ?
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03:25<petn-randall>anarcat: Yes, as a piece of malware would have to overwrite the EFI to be able to respond to the prompt of the shim.
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05:44<mojikun>hey
05:44<mojikun>will backported packages create problems for me in the transition from stretch to buster?
05:44<mojikun>as is see it they might have the same version as the newer packages in buster, but be built against older libs
05:45<mojikun>and not get upgraded/create conflicts
05:45<mojikun>should i remove all backports to be safe?
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05:55<jm_>mojikun: it's not technically the same version
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05:55<jm_>mojikun: I would not bother removing them, just check if any are left after upgrade
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05:59<mojikun>jm_, oh so the versioning scheme when the buster version of that backport is detected, it will upgrade to it?
06:00<jm_>mojikun: you can check yourself with dpkg --compare-versions
06:01<mojikun>jm_, alright i trust you
06:01<mojikun>i assume most of them will be upgraded
06:01<mojikun>also is it considered unsafe, to upgrading everything i can from backports?
06:01<mojikun>usually people pick a few targeted things
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06:02<mojikun>(that way i can have slightly more up to date packages, without compromising stability)
06:03<jm_>I would not go for everything - note the lack of similar style security updates as is done for stable
06:03<mojikun>yeah that repository seems to have lower priority than security upgrades or stable upgrades
06:05<jm_>this is not about priority - once a package is installed from bpo, it will get updated - it's the lack of updated packages
06:06<mojikun>jm_, it will stop receiving security updats you mean?
06:08<jm_>mojikun: https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/ → Q: Is there security support for packages from backports.debian.org?
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06:09<mojikun>jm_, it receives security updates directly from unstable
06:10<mojikun>maybe not so frequent
06:10<jm_>mojikun: exactly, there's no established process
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06:21<ramfs_stretchS>is it common for xfce to miss user inputs?
06:21<ramfs_stretchS>like clicks or key presses
06:22<towo^work>no, is not
06:23<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, old machine?
06:23<ramfs_stretchS>not really, inteli7 laptop
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06:24<ramfs_stretchS>i guess it might be my mind being used to windows having input lag?
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06:24<ramfs_stretchS>regarding clicks
06:24<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, well you could try using an interactive kernel
06:24<mojikun>realtime kernel
06:25<mojikun>the default debian kernel isn't really suited for desktops
06:26<jm_>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKoiO5EeCZY
06:26<jm_>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKoiO5EeCZY
06:26<jm_>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKoiO5EeCZY
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06:27<jm_>sorry wrong key pressed
06:27<ramfs_stretchS>so using a -rt kernel from packages?
06:28<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, yeah if it has that, try it out. you can switch to your old kernel (keep it as a failsafe) from the boot grub menu
06:28<ramfs_stretchS>so the X server drops some frames?
06:28<mojikun>(it comes up by pressing ESC if you have set it to hidden, but grub_timeout must be larger than 0)
06:28<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, i don't think its an x-server issue
06:29<ramfs_stretchS>...since input doesn't go through X?
06:29<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, it doesn't go at all?
06:29<mojikun>or with delay
06:29<ramfs_stretchS>once in a while it completely drops a key press
06:29<ramfs_stretchS>or click
06:30<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, is your system under heavy load then?
06:30<ramfs_stretchS>no, close to idle. maybe it's just my hardware?
06:30<ramfs_stretchS>like bad keyboard & mouse... idk
06:30<ramfs_stretchS>thought to ask if it was common
06:31<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, no idea, still using a realtime kernel is preferred for desktops. try it out either way
06:31<mojikun>i don't think its common no
06:31<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, you could try to rule things out. for example boot a live usb/cd to check if the issue is with the operating system
06:32<mojikun>pick something like porteus and burn it to an iso, its barely 300mb
06:32<mojikun>and then try different mouse keyboard, or try using different ports
06:36<jm_>if you are using evdev driver, run evtest in a terminal for each device and you would see if it detects input
06:37<ramfs_stretchS>oh also something interesting, when i toggle numlock on, LED lights up instantly, but when i toggle off it takes a few milliseconds
06:37<ramfs_stretchS>i think it's because LED only goes out on release, not just press
06:38<ramfs_stretchS>i'll try those out thanks
06:38<jm_>it does indeed turn off on release only for me, but turns on when bottoming out with the key
06:44<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, isn't libinput supposed to replace evdev now?
06:44<mojikun>xorg-evdev at least, not the kernel driver
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06:51<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, try out a live cd/usb of a more recent distribution to rule out driver issues
06:52<mojikun>ramfs_stretchS, pick a livecd from manjaro, its based on archlinux not related to debian, and bleeding edge. to see if the problem persists
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06:53<mojikun>and you can enable "toram" option too in the kernel line, to rule out usb read speed
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12:14<antoine_>Hey, i got a problem with my nvidia drivers. I was running buster for quite a while and something like two days my X refuses to start. I'm back to stretch but I can only get nouveau to work. I install nvidia-driver and reboot, and X starts with nouveau. Though, i can see in the logs that the service "nvidia-persistenced" fails to start. Anyone got a solution for this? Thanks
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12:15<somiaj>antoine_: how do you install the nvidia drivers?
12:15<antoine_>somiaj: With apt install nvidia-driver
12:16<somiaj>okay, maybe you need to ensure that the nouveau module is blacklisted so the nvidia moudle can load. You can try 'modprobe nvidia' and look in demsg for errors, y ou might see something like nouveau module loaded.
12:16<annadane>did you also install the kernel headers
12:17<antoine_>annadane: yes i did
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12:43<jhutchins_wk>anto: Fall back to the previous kernel.
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12:53<annadane>yarr, looks like ya done pinged the wrong person, thar.
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13:10<donofrio>is there a buster (10?) iso for ppc32 ?
13:10<somiaj>donofrio: not offically
13:11<donofrio>do you have a link so I could rebuild my powerbook g4 with that debian 10 goodness
13:11<somiaj>power ppc is now an unffoical port, so you'll have to see what this unoffical port has avaialble for it, check ports.debian.org
13:11<donofrio>ok
13:11<somiaj>donofrio: do you have stretch installed on it already?
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13:12<donofrio>no just ubuntu 16.04 but that is getting 'long in the teeth' persay
13:12<somiaj>ahh, was going to point out you can always do an upgrade. Anyways I'm not sure what the status of the unoffical port is, and they may not follow the normal release and just run current sid style packages.
13:13<donofrio>10 is released correct?
13:13<somiaj>no
13:13<somiaj>!buster release
13:13<dpkg>Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster
13:14<donofrio>cannot fine any ppc32 goodness in that ports page
13:15<somiaj>it is just called powerpc
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13:15<somiaj>and it looks like only the sid port is there, but that is probably common for unoffical ports.
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13:16<jhutchins_wk>...also common for them not to get built until the official release.
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13:18<sqrt{not}>try this one: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/10.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-10.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso
13:18<sqrt{not}>hmmm, maybe not, that is from 2018
13:18<jhutchins_wk>Hm. I wonder if my old G3 powerbook is 32b?
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13:21<tripkin>acc add facebook jmitchell-fb@coalsack.org PPLBIULRBQ
13:21<tripkin>acc facebook on
13:21<tripkin>Oops
13:21<tripkin>sorry
13:21<sqrt{not}>maybe this one, from 2019-05-24: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2019-05-24/debian-10.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso
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13:25<annadane>chaaaaange that password, tripkin
13:25<tripkin>done
13:25<tripkin>annadane, thanks
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13:36<grove>When did the date for Buster's planned release come?
13:39<tripkin>This is still pre, but the official date is next Saturday. Because it is feature locked it is relatively 'safe' to upgrade - lotsa caveats still...
13:39<tripkin>grove, Not sure when they announced the feature lock and official date...
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13:45<thsnr>iirc then one of the blocking issues was go libraries being statically linked, complicating security updates - did they solve this somehow?
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13:52<jhutchins_wk>thsnr: You'll probably get better answers from the mailing list.
13:53<annadane>it's july 6
13:53<annadane>not next saturday
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14:27<tripkin>Sorry, meant two weeks
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14:52<donofrio>sqrt{not}, trying that last one now
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15:38<gustav_>I'm looking for info on how to make wireless work with debian 9 stable. im a new user and have been looking at the web for help but it didnt change much. Am I in the right place?
15:39<somiaj>most likely you are just missing the non-free firmware for your wireless card
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15:39<somiaj>to start with we need to know the chipset of the wireless card on your system.
15:39<donofrio>sqrt{not}, What package manager server/mirror holds powerpc code, so far the installer is just upset
15:40<somiaj>donofrio: debian ports
15:41<gustav_>is that the info i get when i type lspci?
15:41<somiaj>gustav_: yes it should be in tehre if it is pci card
15:42<somiaj>donofrio: https://www.ports.debian.org/ -- as I pointed you to earler, powerpc is now hosted on ftp.ports.debian.org
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15:43<gustav_>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 2526 (rev 29)
15:43<donofrio>oh ok
15:43<gustav_>I have already added those f
15:44<gustav_>I have already added those sources like non-free and contrib where it was only main before
15:44<somiaj>gustav_: it isn't clear if that is your wifi or not. But intel uses the firmware from firmware-iwlwifi
15:44<somiaj>,v firmware-iwlwifi
15:44<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1
15:44<somiaj>gustav_: install that package and reboot. Another option, run 'dmesg | grep firmware' to see if it is telling you what firmware isn't being loaded.
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15:46<gustav_>"firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version (20161130-5)."
15:47<somiaj>so then run 'demsg | grep firmware'
15:47<somiaj>what you linked didn't convience me that was your wireless card, that may just be your wired card.
15:47<gustav_>hm
15:47<gustav_>this command does not exist
15:48<gustav_>Is it because im using a wired connection? I'm a newbie here, sorry if it's obvious
15:48<dboles>dmesg
15:49<gustav_>Oh ok dmesg gave me "[ 3.062352] r8169 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw"
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15:57<somiaj>that is the firmare that is loading.
15:57<somiaj>It could be that your wirless card is too new to be supported by stretches kernel, so might need to get a kernel (4.19) and firwmare from stretch-backports.
16:00<gustav_>I've added the backports text to the sources files though konsole
16:03<gustav_>This laptop came with ubuntu installed and i just installed debian. it all worked fine with ubuntu but i didnt really like that os. however with debian there is no sound, no wireless connection and no screen brightness control. i just wanted to get wireless working so i could look up the other stuff without this cable thing
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16:10<gustav_>I'll reboot this computer, Ill be right back
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16:12<gustav_>:(
16:13<sarnold>gustav_: if it came with ubuntu preinstalled it might have had PPAs configured where code to enable the hardware in question was packaged and shipped. hopefully the necessary support will be in future versions of linux or X11 or whatever eventually
16:14<lsjet>I don't think the realtek card is your wifi
16:14<lsjet>look through your lspci output
16:14<donofrio>somiaj, I do not see that in the list when I try United States, then it says "The repository on security.debian.org couldn't be access, so its updates will not be made available for you at this time" I take that as powerpc files were not found on that security
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16:15<gustav_>lsjet should i copy the output here?
16:15<jmcnaught>gustav_: https://paste.debian.net/
16:16<somiaj>donofrio: powerpc has no security support, so it won't be on security.debian.org
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16:16<somiaj>donofrio: you may try #powerpc, but in short, powerpc is not an offically supported port, and is only provided unoffically (thus lots of things you maybeuse to won't work)
16:18<donofrio>oh ok ....if its still talking to it....cause I didin't know.. if it was really working plus I couldn't see where to manually enter your own repo in the install
16:18<gustav_>there it is jmcnaught. ty
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16:19<somiaj>you may just have to skip over the repo part, ionstall a base system, then set up your sources.list after
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16:20<donofrio>somiaj, I'm doing a netinstall......
16:21<somiaj>the netinstall contains a base system and dosn't need sources.list or internet to install a base system.
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16:26<donofrio>why would the installer of a powerpc distro be installing grub? http://paste.opensuse.org/47849227
16:27<donofrio>yaboot is what all powerpc distro's use...at least I thought, did grub get patches to support mac like yaboot did?
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16:29<somiaj>donofrio: I don't think you quite understand what an unoffical port is.
16:29<somiaj>and #powerpc might actualy ave users who use this unoffical port
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16:34<gustav_>sarnold: hey doest that mean i cant use debian stretch with this hardware and make work like it did with ubuntu?
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16:36<sarnold>gustav_: that's one potential outcome, yes
16:36<somiaj>gustav_: what was the link to your lspci output?
16:37<gustav_>oh im sorry I didn't realize it should be pasted here as a link
16:37<gustav_>https://paste.debian.net/1088797/
16:40<somiaj>gustav_: is the output of uname -a a 4.9 kernel?
16:41<gustav_>somiaj: yes: "Linux debian 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
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16:42<somiaj>gustav_: get the 4.19 kernel from backports, I think that hardware is to new for your kernel
16:42<somiaj>also get firmware-iwlwifi from stretch-backports
16:42<somiaj>start at backports.debian.org and follow the instructions
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16:42<gustav_>firmware-iwlwifi is something i already typed in the konsole
16:43<somiaj>the issue is you need the new kernel and firmware from backports
16:43<gustav_>I'll try and follow your other instructions as well
16:43<gustav_>Yes
16:43<gustav_>Thanks a lot
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17:03<donofrio>somiaj, there is no #powerpc channel unless my hexchat client missed it....I tried /join #powerpc, also I'm on step 6 that states "When you're prompted to choose an archive mirror, scroll all the way up to the top of the list, choose 'enter information manually, enter 'ftp.ports.debian.org' for the mirror, and '/debian-ports/' for the directory." what I'm wondering is where did the "Enter manually" option go from the list "at the
17:03<donofrio>top?" cause in 10 installer it is not listed ;(
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17:03<donofrio>following this guide - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/debian-sid-installation-guide-powerpc.2146795/
17:04<donofrio>grabbed the larger iso from that guide...it was like 70 mb bigger do not know why cause it had the exact file name of the one you good folks provided
17:04<donofrio>oh nevermind
17:04<donofrio>I'm a dork
17:04<donofrio>its a country called manual
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17:05<donofrio>dang on tty4 it says "mirror does not support specified release (sid)"
17:06<somiaj>donofrio: sorry might be powerppc
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17:06<somiaj>oh wait looks like #debianppc
17:06<donofrio>no I mean i always lurk in #debianppc is that is the channel
17:07<donofrio>but only like 11 people in that channel always and this one has almost 500
17:07<somiaj>That is because there isn't that big of a community still using ppc, but at least there you may have a chance of getting someone who uses that port.
17:08<donofrio>k retrying your iso and suggestion again...
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17:33<donofrio>it seems to be working - guess the trick is remeber to use " '/debian-ports/' "
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18:12<gustav_>well it seems like the kernel went from 4.9 to 4.19
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18:28<gustav_>somiaj: hey it looks like kernel is 4.19 now but things didnt change. is it at possible to install debian with the 4.19 kernel already in it?
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21:43<donofrio>how do I find out the path of a file that was just installed (need to know where yabootconfig is after I just installed hfsutils?)
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21:45<jmcnaught>donofrio: dpkg -L <package>
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21:46<donofrio>hu, thought that package contained ybin, and yabootconfig?
21:47<lhvf>Hello to Everyone! I'd like to know how to sync my ntp server to a Time Server automatically. I've ave
21:48<lhvf>*I've been trying, but until the moment my attempts cannot be successful.
21:48<lhvf>Any thoughts how to Debug, or adjust NTP to a Time Server?
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21:48<tamer27>hello
21:49<jmcnaught>lhvf: to a particular time server, or you just want NTP working?
21:49<sarnold>lhvf: I suggest installing chrony, it looks like the nicest of the choices
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21:52<lhvf>jmcnaught: I think that the '/etc/ntp.conf' is correct. But, trying 'apt-get install ntp' or use 'ntpdate' doesn't seems to work correctly, by not synching ('stratum=16' instead ' 2 ' or ' 3 '.
21:53<jmcnaught>I've been using systemd-timesyncd lately and it just works, but you could also take the suggestion above and use chrony
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21:54<lhvf>I'm still using Debian 7 Wheezy (7.11 -- the latest). However ' chrony ' is available on Wheezy Repositories ( < https://pkgs.org/download/chrony > ).
21:56<lhvf>sarnold: How to proceed to install ' chrony ' ? Uninstall ' ntp ' package, and just install ' chrony '?
21:56<jmcnaught>lhvf: you are aware that Wheezy no longer gets any kind of security support at all?
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21:56<sarnold>lhvf: yes-- apt will probably encourage you to uninstall what conflicts
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21:57<lhvf>jmcnaught: Yes, I'm already aware.
21:57<lhvf>sarnold: I'll try now your suggestion right now.
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21:58<donofrio>why does the powerpc-ibm-utils package not contain ofpath or ofpathname, when I copy from ubuntu 16.04 it goes furthor but then gets upset I also wonder why ybin and yabootconfig files are missing from hfsutils package?
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22:07<lhvf>sarnold: How do I do know if 'chrony' is synched to my Country Time Fuse? Is there commands to check, adjust and re-synch if needed? I'll check the synchonizing against the Android App 'AtmicClock' current values.
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22:09<lhvf>**AtomicClock' I mena.
22:09<lhvf>*mean
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22:16<lhvf>sarnold: You give me a solution that works: ' chrony'. Already checked against Android App 'AtomicClock', and this software ('chrony') just did the job well done. Thanks. Hope my brother will not digg Debian 7 partition, and break something in the estabilished synchronizing. Thank you at all.
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22:26<lhvf>sarnold: Some remaining questions: This software ('chrony') uses the Time Fuse that is currently setted from the system, and get the correct timestamps by just adjusting to the current and correct values from some place? Or it does explore the ntp server configured from some file in the system, from a NTP Server setted on some config file, and get the aproximated time adjusting it itself from the Time Server?
22:27<lhvf>*From some the Desktop Interface (GNOME, KDE etc..) or from some the ntp configuration file, I mean.
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22:30<lhvf>*To get the reference, for adjusting the time fuse accordingly.
22:31<lhvf>sarnold: Do you know what I'm here questioning, or it's not clear yet?
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22:33<ach>don't do it that automatically when location is set to possible? i am needy?
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22:39<lhvf>ach: I mean that I'm questioning if 'chrony' gets the reference for the clock adjusting from the time zone of Desktop Interface and setted on System (e.g. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata), or from some ntp configuration file. Maybe it's not clear yet :/
22:39<ach>!ntpdate
22:39<dpkg>ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>.
22:40<ach>!ntp
22:40<dpkg>hmm... ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP See also <systemd-timesyncd>, <set time>, <pool.ntp>
22:42<lhvf>ach: You wanted to say that 'chrony' uses 'ntp.conf' configuration file or something else, for so then adjust the clock to a NTP Server?
22:42<ach>yes
22:42<lhvf>Not the 'tzdata'?
22:44<ach>then you should have automically the time if you have location set possibly seen
22:45<ach>well i am not as far with ntp and not have possibly a location
22:45<ach>out of the country(ip range)
22:46<lhvf>The time fuse location is setted from both 'tzdata' and 'ntp.conf'? Or both are from the same kind of configuration settings file? I'll Google for assure this detail.
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22:48<ach>as you want it your unix can timetravel
22:49<ach>but not sure in ntp they can understand ip range locations
22:50<ach>but am think with location of the system the clock should get after it
22:53<ach>well i don't even know how they get the location of the ip
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22:56<lhvf>ach: 'chrony' uses --> /etc/chrony.conf (Reference: < https://www.thegeekdiary.com/centos-rhel-7-configuring-ntp-using-chrony/ >. And the Clock System Parameters (tzdata Terminal text-GUI) uses '/etc/localtime' configuration file (Reference: < https://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges' > . Both will interact eith System Clock, and try to get synched the system time fuse. I only don't knows what of they will have higher prority or effective s
22:57<lhvf>*with the System Clock
22:58<ach>no ntp is to set it
22:58<lhvf>*of them
22:58<ach>ya
23:01<ach>but that my point i am not sure it works set the location automatically what makes me bit helpless cause i can't look my system can get locate it own
23:01<lhvf>Only Time Servers are used in the 'chrony' synching method, ignoring 'tzdata' , for adjusting the System Clock?
23:02<ach>ok
23:04<somiaj>systemd contains a default ntp service
23:06<lhvf>somiaj: And what about would be with 'init' (SysvInit) (yet not the actual 'SystemD'), what the reference for synching the Clock, applying to 'chrony', not being from some own Service contained on the System (Debian 7.11 -- Wheezy).
23:07<lhvf>?
23:07<somiaj>I didn't catch the orignial issue, I was just pointing out that I ran into systemd comes with a default ntp service that forces the clock to stay in sync
23:09<lhvf>somiaj: I understood. Some of the conversation is grabbed here: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2019/06/21#end >.
23:09<somiaj>hmm, so what error do you get when you try ntpdate, or how far out of sync is your clock?
23:11<lhvf>somiaj: I regreted to use ntpdata (ntp), and tried out the solution of sarnold , that does worked very well (after installed , get automatically synched the Clock System). The doubt is if the 'chrony' (sarnold's method) have higher priority from the past used 'tzdata'?
23:12<lhvf>*ntpdate (Sorry.. typo).
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23:12<somiaj>tzdata I don't think actually sets your time, it just privdes info for timezone info like day light savingins, etc.
23:13<jmcnaught>lhvf: ntp sets the system clock which should be UTC, tzdata configures which timezone to show the time in. The two do not compete with each other.
23:13<somiaj>while chrony provides a daemon that will keep your clock in sync (even if it drifts)
23:14<somiaj>ntpdate isn't a daemon, and only upates the clock when run. ntp provides a daemon ntpd that will also keep your clock in sync. I'm unsure on the differences between chrony and ntp
23:18<ach>ya well but if..? i just think in every desktop you can set network time?
23:21<lhvf>Ok. Thanks all here for the clarifyings. I'll shutdown in some minutes. Now I think that will be easy to get synched to the precise time fuse my System Clock (in seconds) on my Debian 7 (codename 'Wheezy). I was using openntpd (FreeBSD common Method), until it have had in a broken state for a correct synchronizing the end of last month, and before I've tried to switch to ntp(date) and it totally haven't worked as should all the stay, and
23:22<lhvf>'have had stayed in a broken state.
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23:22<jmcnaught>lhvf: I also strongly encourage you to upgrade to a supported release of Debian.
23:23<ach>!next
23:23<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
23:23<lhvf>*['chrony' (and it was successful solution until now).] Final of the phrase.
23:25<ach>stay with far it works
23:26<lhvf>jmcnaught: Yes I was told many times to upgrade to a newer Stable Release, but trying to use Debian-Live GNOME 9.9, as was with Ubuntu GNOME 17.04, after a logoff and install some Desktop Interface, the system on a LiveDVD frozed, with a message of SystemD, or something else on the screen. No logs was caught, and I don't even knows what really occured at all.
23:30<lhvf>And I'd like to know, initially, of a method to install Debian 9 on a MicroSD /SD Class 10 Card, because the MultiBootUSB (maybe for Multiple Persistence Live parallel installs) causes bugs with old finding of CD-ROM Device on the Live System. Only DD's method from the ISO should work if using Debian with Persistence.
23:30<lhvf>https://github.com/mbusb/multibootusb/issues/85
23:30<lhvf>And even will try to compare the functioning of GNOME with Fedora 25 Workstation for GNOME DE.
23:31<lhvf>*To the Debian 9 Series ( I mean ), and Kernel 4.9 (the latest on this Fedora Release).
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23:32<lhvf>I'm planning to keep Debian 7 on this HDD, and install Debian 9 (Debian Installer scripts) in another spare HDD, until end of last month.
23:33<jmcnaught>lhvf: when you do install Debian 9 use an installer image instead of a live image.
23:33<jmcnaught>the live images are not tested as much as the installer images are
23:39<lhvf>Debian 9.10, and after 9.11, and next will get LTS period for Stretch Release .
23:39<lhvf>any websites are refusing to work, both with Firefox ESR-52.8.0 (the last Firefox release contained on Wheezy Repositories), as much more probable is being the Chrome (the last 32-bits Google Chrome release, and that was also the last release for Wheezy / Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin, and maximum working with Ubuntu 12.10, that I've been using for quite while of bit of time ago -- no GPU Lockups to Quantal
23:40<lhvf>[*Many] Begin of the phrase cutted.
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23:46<lhvf>GitHub still works on Firefox-ESR 52.8.0 (the latest for Wheezy). Google Chrome isn't. Maybe it'll change after the Firefox 70 Release, and newer features went included on the GitHub, in a previsible state in the future (and the new Cycle Series for Firefox ESR)..
23:46<lhvf>Bye for all. Thanks for all hints and suggestions.
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