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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-24

---Logopened Mon Jun 24 00:00:38 2019
00:01<Mightyking4546> Hey anyone know good sites for downloading softwares
00:01<mendelmunkis>http://deb.debian.org/debian/
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00:04-!-dboehmer is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:06<somiaj>!list
00:06<dpkg>somiaj: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
00:06<somiaj>oh yea, that is only in itialian, anyways, they left
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02:33<klingklang>heya guys, why firefox make wheezing audio sound?
02:33-!-oda is now known as qi
02:34<klingklang>if in firefox opened any page with flashplayer object?
02:34-!-qi is now known as oda
02:35<klingklang>if i close whole firefox sound from players is good
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03:32<venom>hi
03:32<venom>hack it
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03:53<kavan>Is gnome 3.32 unstable ? why debian still on 3.30 ?
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03:53<tarzeau>i consider all versions of gnome unstable
03:54<kavan>then why 3.32 is not in testing ?
03:54<kavan>please make dev cycle as ubuntu or fedora
03:55<umlaeute>what does that mean?
03:55<tarzeau>if you like ubuntu or fedora, just use that
03:55<kavan>i miss new stuff, but i fall in love with debian
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03:55<kavan>so cant use them
03:55<tarzeau>kavan: read https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
03:56<tarzeau>kavan: it's a beautiful summary of different release cycle discussions
03:57<tarzeau>kavan: i don't consider GNOME software new stuff. what they do is horrible, quality wise and user interface wise. but oh well
04:00<kavan>can any one update this builds with buster https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/experimental-live/ ?
04:00<umlaeute>kavan: gnome-3.32 was released after the (hard) freeze, so it was just too late for buster. this probably also explains why it hasn't been uploaded to sid: to keep sid clean for emergency uploads. also: we are currently in deep-freeze for buster, so people will probably spend there time on squashing the last RC bugs, rather than introducing a new beast with all bells and bugs and whistles.
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04:01<kavan>I got it...
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04:04<kavan>gnome is provided as default in debian. I think debian development cycle should sync with gnome dev. cycle...
04:04<umlaeute>it does. but we are talking about an imminent Debian release.
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04:05<kavan>hmmm...
04:06<duclicsic>kavan: there are many pieces of 3rd party software included in a default debian install, why is gnome so important? why for instance should debian not sync releases with any of the others?
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04:07<kavan>that's also a point.
04:08<kavan>is there any way of getting latest gnome ?
04:08<umlaeute>should we delay the Debian release until all the zillions of packages Debian ships have been verified (again!) to work with the new gnome release?
04:09<umlaeute>a more sane solution is probably to ask the gnome team to not do a release during Debian freeze :-)
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04:09<umlaeute>and you could add the 'experimental' suite to your apt-sources and install it from there (but don't complain if things go pear-shaped :-))
04:10<umlaeute>you *probably* will have to add 'unstable' as well (for dependencies). but i haven't checked.
04:11<umlaeute>or you could just wait another couple of weeks until buster is released. i guess after that gnome-3.32 will be uploaded to unstable and eventually get into testing.
04:12<kavan>okey.
04:12<kavan>is there any way of making experimental iso ?
04:13<umlaeute>why would you want that?
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04:13<kavan>cause gnome 3.32 is in experimental
04:13<kavan>I want as iso
04:13<umlaeute>why?
04:14<kavan>I want only gnome to latest
04:14<umlaeute>i'm asking: "why do you want an iso?"
04:15<umlaeute>this question is unrelated to gnome.
04:15<harrymuff>lol
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04:15<kavan>cause using apt it not updating all gnome packages to 3.32
04:15<umlaeute>but anyhow: yes, afaik there's "plenty" (at least: one) of packages to transform a chroot with whatever software you have installed into "an ISO".
04:16<umlaeute>what has apt to do with an iso?
04:16<kavan>i tried apt -t experimental gnome-shell
04:17<umlaeute>10:09 < umlaeute> and you could add the 'experimental' suite to your apt-sources and install it from there (but don't complain if things go pear-shaped :-))
04:17<kavan>it not update other packages to latest
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04:17<umlaeute>so did you add 'experimental' to your apt-sources?
04:17<kavan>yahh
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04:18<kavan>it only install gnome-shell to 3.32 , other gnome apps are still on old
04:19<umlaeute>that's what you told it to do, no?
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04:20<kavan>after adding experimental repo, will upgrade command update all packages to latest ?
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04:24<umlaeute>not without asking you first
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04:32<thsnr>kavan: experimental is marked as NotAutomatic: yes, which means that it will not install anything from it unless you specifically ask. not even upgrade packages installed from experimental originally
04:33<kavan>How can i change it to No ?
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04:42<kavan>From a user perspective, I am happy with the short life cycle and bleeding edge features as I need such things for my programming projects.
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04:45<baptu_>hi...i am in trouble....cant understand why it is happenning...baptu@mxlinux:~
04:45<baptu_>$ sudo apt update
04:45<baptu_>Hit:1 http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease
04:45<baptu_>Hit:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease
04:45<baptu_>Ign:3 http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
04:45<baptu_>Hit:4 http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch InRelease
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04:47<baptu>hi....
04:47<thsnr>kavan: you probably still want unstable/sid. read this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
04:47<baptu>help me...something i cant understand...
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04:48<klingklang>heya guys, why firefox make wheezing audio sound?
04:48<klingklang>if i close whole firefox sound from players is good
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04:49<thsnr>baptu: you were kicked because you flooded the chat with messages. copy the output to a pastebin instead and link it here
04:49<klingklang>no matter which player, mpd, mocp, audacious, deadbeef
04:50<baptu>when i update my repos using "apt update" ....it stucks showing the line " waiting for header" ? after sometime showing "connection failed".
04:50<baptu>how to solve
04:51<klingklang>baptu, i think its connection issues
04:52<klingklang>baptu, any proxy?
04:52<baptu>next it shows this: "The repository 'http://mx-pkg.mirror.net.in/MX-Linux/mx/repo stretch Release' does not have a Release file"
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04:53<baptu>thank you klinglang for helping
04:53<baptu>i am new in linux....that's why few things it seems me difficult to understand
04:53<grove>baptu: The latter is probably not relevant, it's probably just because it has never managed to access that repo
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04:54<klingklang>baptu, good way to edit sources.list to your own preferencies
04:55<baptu>is there any site as tutorial to edit source.list file ?
04:55<grove>But the outoput you've shown seems like you're mixing things
04:55<grove>!frankendebian
04:55<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
04:56<grove>/s/outoput/output/
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04:57<grove>Not that the problems you see now are related to that mixing
04:58<klingklang>grove, i guess he uses not a pure debian
04:59<klingklang>he uses antiX
04:59<klingklang>according to this: http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch
04:59<thsnr>baptu: mx-pkg.mirror.net.in does not seems to respond to HTTP requests, so you have added a bad mirror
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05:00<baptu>thanks thsnr
05:00<thsnr>also heed what others have said about frankendebian
05:01<klingklang>thsnr, why firefox make wheezing audio sound?
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05:03<klingklang>i have problem, idk maybe since first hours of fresh install, flash object in opened page via firefox wheeze output sound from media players
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05:03<klingklang>no matter direcly to alsa or though pa
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05:03<klingklang>if kill all processes appended to firefox sound good and clear
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06:09<klingklang>reason of wheezing sound while firefox running was in speech-dispatcher
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06:10<klingklang>wiped it, but i cant remember what i installed it and maybe it was installed as depency
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07:56<adga137>I am developing a new operating system based on the kernel linux and hurd, implementing microkernels, I would like to recommend where I can host the code which I plan to publish under GPLv3 license I would also like to create an "org" type website, which recommend ?, I have seen this service https://sourceforge.net/ but I have not read its terms of use.
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08:34<petn-randall>saad: What do you need help with?
08:34<petn-randall>adga137: How is this related to Debian?
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08:38<dvs>,v dvs
08:38<judd>No package named 'dvs' was found in amd64.
08:38<dvs>awwwwwwww
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08:46<adga137><petn-randall> Is a new kernel for the project.
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09:02<Kryczek>Hi! Is there a way to interrupt the boot process and drop to a shell, like Ctrl+c used to do before systemd? I have a headless router that I can see (over serial console) looping on "[ OK ] Starting/Stopped {various network services}" and I can't SSH into it, apparently networking doesn't come up
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09:04<ksk>Kryczek: you can append "init=/bin/bash" to the grub commandline
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09:05<Kryczek>ksk: how do I safely shut the system down, first? :)
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09:05<ksk>eh, do you have a keyboard plugged in? try sysrequests then
09:06<ksk>"s u s b" was the thingy I did for some time (sync, unmount, sync, (Re)boot)
09:06<ksk>you could maybe also sent sysrq via serial to /proc directly (google it up)
09:06<Kryczek>it's router hardware, I've never plugged a keyboard to it but I'll go try
09:06<ksk>like echo "s" > /some/place/in/proc/I/forgot
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09:07<ksk>btw, if you have no spining disk, and/or are not writing to disk in time of "unexpected powercycle" you should not loose any data nor cause filesystem corruption
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09:10<Kryczek>ksk: thanks :) I am not sure it's what you meant but by googling I found that one can send the magic SysRg sequence by using the break signal (Ctrl+A+F in Minicom for example) instead of the SysRq key, and then the usual R E I S U B sequence for example
09:11<Kryczek>ksk: as it so happens one of these (I? or S?) got me a login prompt :D
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09:12<petn-randall>adga137: If it's based on Linux and hurd, you'll need to adhere to any copyright/license restrictions of that code, you can't simply change the license.
09:13<Kryczek>it was E (send SIGTERM to all processes except init) apparently: [ 3746.780729] sysrq: SysRq : Terminate All Tasks
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09:13<petn-randall>adga137: You can host your code on many websites, like github, gitlab, bitbucket, etc. As for writing your own kernel, good luck!
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09:15<dvs>petn-randall, well, it has happened before, in 1991. ;-)
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09:27<ksk>might also be someone wished linus good luck back then ;)
09:27<dvs>might? Most likely
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09:57<MarkShuttleworth>Greetings! I am Mark Shuttleworth, founder and CEO of Cannonical and Freenode.
09:57<MarkShuttleworth>Freenode has been a frequent target of trolls, spambots, and scammers since its very inception. Despite this, we are the premire FOSS collaboration platform on the Internet. Our team of staffers and even Mark Shuttleworth himself have worked dilligently to ensure Freenode remains a safe, supportive platform where the FOSS commununity can thrive. The costs of network monitoring and the lawsuits mounted by Larry Ellison
09:57<MarkShuttleworth>and Oracle have presented challenges to Freenode's very survival.
09:57<MarkShuttleworth>Mark Shuttleworth and Freenode staff have now unveiled the Make Freenode Great Again plan! Partnering with Huawei, we are in the process of installing an intelligent firewall that will defend against any DDOS or massive spambot operation using Huawei's predictive computing technology, the same software used to track and control China's Uighur Muslim minority.
09:57<MarkShuttleworth>Trolls will be recognized based on these predictive patterns and automatically blocked. This system, however, will be costly, and we need your help paying for licensing and installation.
09:57<MarkShuttleworth>If every active member on Freenode were to pledge just $0.50 USD, we could pay for this system and our hosting fees for an entire year. Remember that the defense of FOSS is possible thanks to your efforts.
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11:33<billmx>hi - what is the command to view which video driver is installed
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11:34<fmneto>lshw -c video | grep driver
11:36<supaman>lshw is not part of basic debian though so you might have to install the lshw package first
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11:39<fmneto>You can also try lspci -k
11:39<billmx>thank you all
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13:31<bittin->joining the meeting later today
13:32<_GLaD0S>Meeting? What Meeting?
13:32<bittin->_GLaD0S: the Debconf and Debian for Raspberry Pi 4 planning meeting
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13:33<_GLaD0S>Ohh, okay
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14:01<bitonic_____>Hi, I'm trying to debug a kernel module panic, I get a Call Trace but there is no address next to the symbols
14:01<bitonic_____>So it's very hard to understand where the error comes from
14:01<bitonic_____>Do I need to enable any option to make it print the addresses?
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16:36<kali_>hi
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16:38<HorlarhMheporzy>okay
16:39<HorlarhMheporzy>please anyone here for learning, I wanted to learn how to operate linux, can anyone teach please....
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16:41<annadane>not if you leave after 2 minutes
16:41<annadane>sigh
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18:30<somiaj>annadane: just send them the info via telepathic links
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18:55<Synthea>How can I set a per-application GTK theme?
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18:55<Synthea>For example, all apps are using Breeze-Dark and I want one application to use Adwaita-Dark
18:55<ach>!gtk
18:55<dpkg>GTK+ (GIMP Tool Kit) is a cross-platform toolkit for creating graphical interfaces. GTK+ themes can be previewed and changed using the gtk-chtheme and gtk-theme-switch utilities. http://www.gtk.org/ #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org.
18:56<Synthea>ach, do you mean I have to go on their irc channel?
18:56<ach>!theme builder
18:56<ach>sry
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19:18<Charon>help
19:18<Charon>oi
19:18<Charon>kckc
19:18<Charon>kckc
19:18<annadane>Charon, hi
19:19<ksk>Charon: dont ask to ask, just ask your debian related question in channel
19:19<annadane>just ask your question
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19:21<Charon>Someone participates in a hacker group where I can participate
19:21<annadane>that is not a debian question
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19:22<annadane>if you're using parrot (i'm just guessing here because it released not long ago so we get a bunch of people in here), well, find parrot support because we don't cover it
19:22<Charon>What are the debian items?
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19:22<annadane>like, support questions for problems people might be having
19:22<annadane>debian is not inherently used for hacking
19:23<annadane>and for future reference, if you want to get support in IRC just say "here's my problem, can someone help", don't spam the channel
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19:24<Charon>Anyone know how to solve the terminal problem when I give the ping command it does not give me the ip and yes mac address
19:25<annadane>i don't know but if you wait a while i'm sure someone does
19:25<Charon><annadane> i don't know but if you wait a while i'm sure someone does
19:25<Charon>Does anyone know of another network where I can connect?
19:26<Charon>???
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19:26<annadane>there's #debian on freenode
19:27<annadane>but what's wrong with oftc?
19:28<sarnold>Charon: why would you expect ping to give you a mac address?
19:28<Charon>he is giving me a mac address and I want the ip
19:29<Charon>but what's wrong with oftc? anything
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19:30<annadane>i mean you're asking if you can connect to another network presumably because you want an answer NOW and aren't willing to wait
19:30<annadane>and sarnold addressed you pretty quickly, so...
19:31<sarnold>Charon: perhaps this may help http://rurounijones.github.io/blog/2009/03/17/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
19:31<Charon>I'm prepared to wait so I want to try new things.
19:32<Charon>@sarnold thank you
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19:39<annadane>Charon, anyway if you're asking about "hacker groups" i'm sure you can find them anywhere on the internet
19:40<annadane>you have to learn yourself though, hacking is a number of things
19:40<annadane>and no, debian is not a "hacker distro"
19:40<annadane>it's general-purpose
19:41<Charon>sooru
19:41<Charon>soory
19:42<annadane>and hacking can get you into trouble anyway, why would you even want to
19:43<Charon>I want to improve my knowledge
19:43<Charon>because I am a pentest practitioner
19:44<annadane>personally i'm more interested in securing my system than hacking other people
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19:46<annadane>libgen.io may have some books on it, i don't know
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19:48<Charon>Someone knows some onion network link
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19:49<annadane>again, that isn't a debian question
19:50<annadane>one great way of learning hacking or onion addresses... is knowing how to search things
19:50<annadane>asking #debian about unrelated topics is not one such way
19:52<sqrt{not}>!parrot
19:52<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
19:54<Charon>i use parrot sec 4.6 securyt edition
19:57<sqrt{not}>Most of us here run regular old debian, and are not insecure
19:57<annadane>see, this is what i'm saying
19:57<annadane>parrot releases a new version, everyone comes here
19:57<blast007>Charon: are you confusing an IPv6 address with a MAC address?
19:57<annadane>debian is not parrot
19:58<blast007>the ping command will not show a MAC address
19:58<annadane>Charon, is it because the irc client uses #debian as its default channel?
19:58<annadane>if so we need to tell them to stop that
19:59<sney>speaking as the former maintainer of hexchat, I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do not care
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20:00<sney>Charon: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html here is a place where you can learn some stuff. security is a complicated field, there are no easy routes, and a lot of the time it is boring. but if you are truly interested, start with this, or a CS degree maybe
20:01<blast007>knowing what an IPv6 address is would also be a good thing to know before jumping to pentesting
20:01<sney>to say the least.
20:03<annadane>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#teach_hack
20:03<annadane>so basically, "learn yourself"
20:03<sney>I guess beating him over the head with it can't hurt. (:
20:03<annadane>computers are complicated, as with anything, to learn anything you have to start small and with the fewest assumptions
20:04<annadane>and also that whole thing about hacking someone else's property getting you potentially into huge trouble with the law or with the people you're hacking
20:05<annadane>oh, raymond wrote this? interesting
20:05<sqrt{not}>"esr", eh ?
20:06<sney>maybe not the best role model but it's still a better starting place than whatever this kid saw in a movie
20:06<sney>*shrug*
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20:10<sqrt{not}>Charon: remember that the American spies are out there, and they have WAY better tools than you do, and the Russians and the Chinese and the Israelis and the Iranians and the British, etc, etc, etc
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20:45<annadane>!hacke
20:45<annadane>!hacker
20:45<annadane>!hacker
20:45<dpkg>it has been said that hacker is someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html . Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
20:45<annadane>^ this lists it, for future reference
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