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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-27

---Logopened Thu Jun 27 00:00:42 2019
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05:10<navegarpnf2>'morning I have a Thinkpad R60e and recently installed debian. I noticed that battery consumption is higher on debian. I wonder if there's something I can configure, or some driver missing. I am using the lxde desktop
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05:14<quatchis_>hey navegarpnf2, is your cpu governor running in performance or powersave?
05:14<navegarpnf2>how can I check that?
05:15<quatchis_>cpufreq-info in the terminal
05:15<quatchis_>it should display your current policy
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05:17<brian_>why do I not have the software store like app?
05:18<navegarpnf2>sorry I got disconnected. quatchis_ how can I check the cpu governor
05:18<quatchis_>type cpufreq-info in your terminal and it should display your current policy
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05:19<quatchis_>brian_ are you referring to Discover or Apper? These are GUI based software management tools
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05:19<brian_>it said "software" and it had bunch games on it
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05:20<brian_>also it will not let me update firefox
05:22<navegarpnf2>quatchis_, it says command not found
05:22<navegarpnf2>I tried to install, but there's no package with that name
05:23<quatchis_>what desktop environment are you runnin brian_?
05:23<brian_>Cinnemon on debian
05:24<quatchis_>navegarpnf2, try: apt install cpufrequtils
05:26<quatchis_>brian_ try reinstalling Synaptic package manager: apt install synaptic
05:30<navegarpnf2>quatchis_, I am not sure, but I think the current governor is "on demand"
05:31<navegarpnf2>I read here, that cpufreq is going to be replaced for cpupower, not sure if that's too important for the case
05:31<navegarpnf2>https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling
05:32<quatchis_>sure, you can use cpupower as well
05:33<quatchis_>try: cpupower frequency-set -g powersave
05:33<quatchis_>alternatively when you need high performance you can switch to:cpupower frequency-set -g performance
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05:38<navegarpnf2>ok, thank I will try it out. It lists 2 CPUs and for CPU 0 it says "CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 0" and on CPU 1 "... that need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 1"
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05:38<user>wow
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05:38<navegarpnf2>doesn't it mean CPU0 is not controlled by hardware?
05:38<navegarpnf2>software*
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05:39<user>You bullyshit
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05:43<quatchis_>Just a guess, but it might depend on your bios and cpu. Either way you should be able switch governors.
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07:42<andrewm>I understand that it is recommended to disable IPV6 it it is not being used. I looked everywhere in Debian's documentation and couldn't find any Debian offical info on how to disable...
07:43<andrewm>But I found a reference to "How to turn off IPv6" on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 but this info was removed from the Wiki
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07:45<andrewm>Was it removed because it no longer applies to Stretch? Or should this info be added back to the Wiki? As I see that it is a point of confusion with the question of how to disable IPV6 being asked on various forums.
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07:48<andrewm>Here is the page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, seems to have been edited and removed by KenyonRalph on 2018-06-09
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08:31<duclicsic>andrewm: the information that was in the wiki is still applicable if you want to disable IPv6. I couldn't say why it was removed, but would suspect it's simply because instructing people to disable it is counterproductive.
08:31<duclicsic>I've not needed to explicitly disable it in scenarios where I've had only IPv4 connectivity.
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09:06<somiaj>andrewm: in most cases y ou shouldn't need to mess with ipv6 at all (even if your network doesn't support it).
09:06<andrewm>@duclicsic k tx for confirming, perhaps someone who reads this can edit the page to add back. As I see many security guides recommend disabling if not needed. Also I noticed than many guides detail iptables config with IPV4 but if IPV6 is running iptables is not protecting against IPv6 access.
09:08<andrewm>If usually the the offical recommendation is to not disable it then I think the page should state that, as I think this is a point of confusion for many people, or at least often overlooked as with many other security practices.
09:10<andrewm>FWIW currently I'm using UFW with IPV4 and IPV6 rules, but I plan to move to iptables which only blocks IPV4, hence I want to disable IPV6 otherwise I need further configuration to block IPV6 too.
09:12<somiaj>if you are planning to move, you should use nfttables
09:12<somiaj>sorry just nftables
09:14<andrewm>I understand that this is default in buster, but for Stretch, I think I want to stick with the standard iptables for now at least for the learning experience and because of the standard documentation for Stretch.
09:14<somiaj>even in stretch iptables has been depericated in favor of nftables. (also ufw is probably just a front end for iptables/nftables)
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09:15<somiaj>nftables has been around a while (since linux 3.13), so it isn't new tech in stretch.
09:16<somiaj>Anyways, iptables is just fine, just pointing out it is slowly being depericated, so might as well learn the new tech for the experience is my suggestion.
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09:18<andrewm>Right gotcha, but I'm on kernel Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 and this page recommends >= 4.10 for nftables. https://wiki.debian.org/nftables
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09:22<somiaj>unsure on why 4.10 is recommended there, my quick google search for other sources just seems to suggest that is the first kernel version they started actually recommending nftables by default, but not finding any particular reason/change in 4.10 that would make it not valid in 4.9
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09:23<Krisis>hey
09:23<Krisis>i need help with something
09:23<Krisis>anybody willing?
09:23<Krisis>topic
09:24<quatchis_>What's your problem?
09:24<somiaj>https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/List_of_updates_since_Linux_kernel_3.13 -- the only change in 4.10 mentioned there is notrack support, and unsure how vital that is.
09:24<Krisis>i need to hack a website
09:24<duclicsic>lol
09:24<Krisis>:d
09:24<duclicsic>Krisis, sorry you're in the wrong place
09:24<Krisis>seriosuly
09:24<somiaj>that doesn't sound like a debian question.
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09:25<Krisis>tss
09:25<Krisis>alrighty
09:25<Krisis>bye
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09:26<duclicsic>andrewm somiaj on the iptables thing, in buster if you invoke 'iptables' it's actually using a compatibility layer which translates the rules into the nft backend, so you can continue to use iptables syntax with most of the benefits of nftables
09:27<duclicsic>i believe in stretch it still defaults to 'iptables-legacy' but I think you can switch that with update-alternatives
09:28<duclicsic>personally I am so used to iptables that it'll be a while before I decide to make the switch to nft, and frankly I think the nft syntax is horrendous.
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09:29<duclicsic>and andrewm: you're technically correct that iptables only covers IPv4, but that's why there is ip6tables. this is of course one area nftables improves on, you can configure multiple address families in one ruleset, or even use the inet address family which operates on both
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09:32<somiaj>and isn't nwf just a frontend to this anyways? Yea both are valid, I was just pointing out that if one is learning this, nftables might be the one to learn since iptables is depericated in some sense.
09:32<duclicsic>yes ufw is just a frontend to iptables
09:32<duclicsic>*spits*
09:33<somiaj>though I didn't realize that that iptables was just going to be a wrapper for nftables, which at least makes it so learning iptables will be useful on machines that switch to nftables.
09:33<somiaj>well wrapper is probably a bad summary, compadablity layer.
09:34<duclicsic>indeed, you'll find that the 'iptables' binary on buster is just a link to iptables-nft
09:35<duclicsic>it doesn't support absolutly everything that the original iptables did though, and there are still some fringe cases where nftables lacks features that were present
09:35<duclicsic>so it's good to keep it around for the timebeing
09:36<duclicsic>e.g. iptables has a target that can flash one of your keyboard LEDs when the rule matches.. can't do that in nftables :p
09:37<andrewm>Right, yeah I read that... anyway thanks for help, I can confirm that editing /etc/sysctl.conf and then running sysctl -p has now disabled IPV6, tmrw I'll also try the editing GRUB method too and then if that is OK, I think now might be a good time for me to create and account on the wiki to update the info. I keep meaning to start contributing, so prob a good time to start.
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10:32<tarzeau>is there an easy way to optimize a complete debian installation for speed, size, powerconsumption?
10:32<tarzeau>(by rebuilding all installed deb packages with some form of compiler/build/lib options)
10:33<tarzeau>size could be with glibc, speed maybe different CC (clang instead of gcc) and so on?
10:33<tarzeau>(and cpu/gpu features that the underlying computer has)
10:33<somiaj>my understanding is not easily, and in most cases you won't get a noticiable advantage to doing this.
10:34<tarzeau>speed, by drop in linking mimalloc and eatmydata
10:34<tarzeau>somiaj: yeah i'd like to work on that "not easily" part, and i disagree with the noticable advantage, it can be much much much faster, and smaller
10:35<somiaj>I thought there was a wrapper that would try to rebuild dpkg packages, but you may have to go manually change each source package to adjust some build options.
10:35<tarzeau>actually some scientific software do have notes about it in README.source and/or README.Debian (libatlas/blas for example)
10:35<tarzeau>i think this should be further improved debian wide / package wide, with having the maintainer of packages be able set different build options for SIZE and one for SPEED
10:36<tarzeau>among the currently default COMPATIBLE (or PORTABLE)
10:36<somiaj>as a primarly binary distro, that doesn't seem like a goal of debian. There are distros that have all this already
10:36<somiaj>hmm, I cna't seem to find/recall the name of the package that would try to do some of this.
10:36<tarzeau>well debian has emdebian embedded debian sub projcets, so it certainly is and must be a goal
10:37<tarzeau>and for speed, debian or forks of it are used in high performance computer places all over the world
10:37<tarzeau>it's not called the UNIVERSAL system just for fun, right?
10:38<tarzeau>i guess i'll copy paste this and forward it to DPL if you don't mind?
10:38<tarzeau>or just a d-d mailing list
10:38<somiaj>I'm unsure what the best way to go about that would be. Maybe you would need to build your own dbuild, pbuilder system, and create your own repo, thus rebuilding every package.
10:38<tarzeau>oh heck i'm too lazy i'll just go #debian-devel
10:39<tarzeau>there's so many packages, build systems, languages, that can be optimized in different ways, i think it must be per package and optional
10:39<tarzeau>like a maintiner of some package CAN do it, but it's not MUST
10:40<tarzeau>and a system admin or use can run debuild with a target DEFAULT=portable, but there's also speed, and size
10:42<somiaj>not finding any good stack exchange links either, anyways, you will most likely have to build a complete build system for the debian packages
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10:42<tarzeau>maybe it should be available prebuilt?
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10:50<X>hello
10:52<X>can anyone help me with configuring hidipi displays in MX linux
10:52<sqrt{not}>!MX
10:52<dpkg>mx is, like, the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
10:53<grove>!antix
10:53<dpkg>antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( https://antixlinux.com/ ). It is related to MX Linux ( https://mxlinux.org/ ) which have support only in the form of forums https://www.antixforum.com/ and https://forum.mxlinux.org/ if you want IRC support, use a better supported distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here.
10:53<sqrt{not}>!MXlinux
10:53<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
10:53<grove>(that is probably more helpful)
10:53<X>thanks
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10:59<Vanessa>hey there,
11:00<petn-randall>hi Vanessa
11:00<Vanessa>I'm trying to run something which creates the following error
11:00<Vanessa> libboost_system.so.1.65.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
11:00<Vanessa>I have the boost libs installed through apt, but they are only 1.62.x
11:00<Vanessa>how can I install 1.65.1?
11:01<petn-randall>Vanessa: What kind of app is this, and where did you get it from?
11:01<Vanessa>it is a cryptocurrency node
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11:02<keremkerem>hello
11:02<petn-randall>If it's open source, you could compile it against the libraries in Debian. If not, you'll have to look at the exact version and OS this app supports, and use that.
11:02<petn-randall>hi keremkerem
11:02<Vanessa>so I cannot simply install a higher version of libboost?
11:03<keremkerem>ı miss chat along timee in servers
11:04<petn-randall>Vanessa: No, they're versioned because they are incompatible.
11:05<Vanessa>so if I understand correctly debian uses 1.62, and multiple versions cannot run parallel
11:05<Vanessa>I will try to compile
11:06<andrewm>@Vanessa correct, Debian Stretch uses 1.62.0.1 https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libboost-system-dev
11:07<andrewm>and there is no higher version available in backports
11:07<petn-randall>Vanessa: Multiple versions *are* possible (that's the whole point of the versioning scheme), but Debian stretch is only shipping 1.62.
11:08<petn-randall>Debian buster (the upcoming release) for example ships both 1.62 and 1.67.
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11:12<Vanessa>what I mean is possible in theory, but not possible/practical for my current situation :)
11:12<Vanessa>thanks!
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11:18<jelly>Vanessa: use the supported OS for your tool, or ask whoever builds the binary to provide matching boost libs or at least where they found them / what env. they build on
11:19<Vanessa>the builds are x86_64 GNU so I thought they would work, but I've contacted the developers, awaiting their reply.
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11:20<jelly>it's 2019, welcome to dll hell
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11:23<quatchis>I finally upgraded to Buster. Thanks for all the past support. See you on #debian-next
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11:34<petn-randall>quatchis: We already support buster in this channel, since buster is already in deep freeze and only a two weeks away from release.
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11:56<quatchis>thanks petn-randall, i'll guess i'll be sticking around then
11:57<quatchis>Maybe you can help me with an issue i'm having.
11:57<quatchis>I got a strange issue with KDE on Buster. I just upgraded about an hour ago. Everything seems to be running normally but I got an issue when trying to change my wallpaper. When I right-click the desktop, and open "Configure Desktop" I get a message saying "Layout changes must be applied before other changes can be made". Below that text is an "Apply Now" button. When I click it nothing happens
12:00<somiaj>maybe you have some other layout changes (in a different control pannel) that need to be applied
12:01<somiaj>could also be an issue with the configuration in your $HOME directory somewhere, one thing to debug issues like this is create a new user, and see if that helps.
12:01<somiaj>If it does, you may just need to move/backup then delete all the configs for KDE in $HOME and reconfigure it
12:01<quatchis>thanks somiaj, ill give that a shot
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12:06<caioau>Hello, Im very excited for Buster! Just a question: raspbian was released some days ago based on Buster, If I used will I have problems when Buster actually is released? Thanks
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12:11<somiaj>!raspbian
12:11<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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12:11<somiaj>caioau: we have no clue how raspbian changes things, ask them what sort of known issues there are.
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12:19<caioau>somiaj: thanks!
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12:20<wannabe-mirror>does isc-dhcp-server open port 67 in the firewall by its own upon installation?
12:21<wannabe-mirror>and if not, why does it lease out addresses when i have the policy set to drop and no iptables rules?
12:21<somiaj>debian does not include a firewall by default.
12:22<wannabe-mirror>no but i use iptables
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12:22<somiaj>maybe there is an issue with your rules, also are these rules for both tcp and udp?
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12:23<somiaj>(And you are positive it is the debian machine leasing out address and not some other server on your network)?
12:23<wannabe-mirror>as i said, there are no rules and the policy for input, output and forward are all set to drop
12:23<wannabe-mirror>very positive. both are on an isolated network
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12:24<somiaj>you may need to have someone with more experience/knowledge than I to look at your rules in more detail to explain what is going on.
12:24<somiaj>If no one here responds, you could try ##networking on irc.freenode.net
12:25<duclicsic>if you have no rules and all polices are set to DROP, absolutely no packets can go in our out on any interface
12:25<wannabe-mirror>yeah. exciting isn't it?
12:25<duclicsic>show your iptables rules. do iptables-save and pastebin the output
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12:26<duclicsic>oh right, dhcp
12:26<duclicsic>iirc some dhcp servers use raw sockets
12:26<wannabe-mirror>but seriously, kvm is an example of a software that modifies the iptables rules. could the same apply to isc-dhcp?
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12:27<duclicsic>and again iirc iptables won't act on packets associated with raw sockets
12:27<wannabe-mirror>so its nothing to worry about then?
12:27<duclicsic>no
12:28<wannabe-mirror>phew
12:29<wannabe-mirror>is building your own router from a mini pc with 4 lan ports and a usb wifi dongle advanced you think?
12:30<tarzeau>somiaj: i did think about it, my idea about optimizing for speed/size was top-bottom, but i think i'll just make a software package that does all the little things and details in scripts and tools, bottom-up (i'm sure i'll get a lot of input tips and tricks contributions)
12:30<tarzeau>somiaj: much better idea right? i already use/apply some nice tricks on our 100-200 linux machines
12:30<somiaj>tarzeau: If you want to optimze all packages, you'll end up just creating your own sub distro.
12:30<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, isc-dhcp uses raw sockets which never get seen by iptables
12:31<somiaj>you could also pick just the main things that need to be optimized, and rebuild them, and provide them on your own custom mirror to your network of machines.
12:31<tarzeau>somiaj: it's not about optimizing ALL packages, but the relevant ones, and other partly linux specific (configurations, filesystem etc) settings
12:31<somiaj>Debian has lots of tools that can help with this like sbuild, pbuilder, etc, but I don't think there is any already configured system for this, you'll have to build your own (though you could look at debians build network to help)
12:31<tarzeau>somiaj: but for size there's compressed ram, compressed initrt (kernel), btrfs compressed filesystem, and much more
12:32<tarzeau>somiaj: there's even a wiki.d.o page about optimizing for size
12:32<tarzeau>but i don't want to do the stuff all manually on tons of machines
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12:32<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, it used to work differently, or maybe I was using a different dhcp server at some point in the past, but iptables USED to block dhcp on an older Debian box I had, but it doesn't anymore
12:33<tarzeau>somiaj: did we talk about it because you also have a need for size and/or speed? or just so? if first, i can keep you updated with a start
12:33<somiaj>Sure, one can start to rebuild packages and add various optimizations, changes, patches, etc, but to me this is no longer debian. Though an actual debian developer may have better insight than me.
12:33<somiaj>No, I use debian because it is a binary distro and don't have to worry about rebuilding everything.
12:33<tarzeau>somiaj: we run reprepro, exchanging/adding debian packages, i believe it's still debian
12:34<somiaj>to me it is based on debian, bugs you introduce due to these rebuilds may not be supported (or present) by the debian matainers.
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12:35<tarzeau>somiaj: i agree
12:35<somiaj>though you may find others who have done such things, and have far more insight on what is available so you don't have to completely rebuild the wheel.
12:35<tarzeau>thanks for the talk, it was inspiring anyways
12:35<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, minor nitpick - kvm doesn't modify firewall rules that I am aware of. libvirt does though, much to my annoyance
12:36<somiaj>don't you have to enable virtual networks (which aren't by default) for that though?
12:36<somiaj>my experience is limited, but it only ever modified rules for the virtual networks (setting up dns mask and various things)
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12:40<lsjet>somiaj, I don't recall now. I switched to just using qemu/kvm directly and gave up on virt-manager and libvirt because it would now allow me to do configurations I wanted to do. It's not flexible enough if your use-case isn't 'enterprisey'
12:42<somiaj>yea, I know it modifies things, when I set up my virtual network with libvirt, it created all the rules for this, which could get in the way of custom rules (though I didn't have much so wasn't an issue for me)
12:43<somiaj>but I don't think just installing/running libvirt does this, you need to actually configure the virtual network which triggers its predefined iptables rules
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12:45<lsjet>oh yes
12:45<lsjet>I just got tired of trying to override libvirt behavior to do what I wanted
12:47<lsjet>seems to have a lot in common with another piece of software ending in -d
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12:50<lsjet>I have too many libvirt horror stories to tell. :)
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12:59<Cannonical>Greetings! I am Mark Shuttleworth, Freenode founder and CEO of Cannonical Ltd.
12:59<Cannonical>Freenode had problems with disruptive elements and trolls trying to derail our crusade for free and universally accessible software.. Despite this, we are the premire FOSS collaboration platform on the Internet. Our team of staffers have worked dilligently to ensure Freenode remains a safe, supportive platform where the FOSS commununity can thrive absent of scams and hate speech. The costs of
12:59<Cannonical>network monitoring and the lawsuits mounted by Larry Ellison and Oracle have presented challenges to Freenode's very survival.
12:59<Cannonical>Mark Shuttleworth and Freenode staff have now unveiled the Freenode Fortress Project! Partnering with Huawei, we are in the process of installing an intelligent firewall that will defend against any DDOS or massive spambot operation using Huawei's predictive computing technology, the same software used to track and control China's Uighur Muslim minority.
12:59<Cannonical>Trolls will be recognized based on these predictive patterns and automatically blocked. This system, however, will be costly, and we need your help paying for licensing and installation.
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13:09<quatchis>lol, isn't Huawei under investigation for stealing firmware code from Cisco?
13:10<dboles>misspelling Canonical seems like a foolproof way to avoid any blowback
13:11<mendelmunkis>dboles: are you sure it was intentional?
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13:12<dboles>could really go either way :)
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13:19<RJD1>spam is actually quite entertaining on IRC ^^
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13:29<petn-randall>Please ignore the spam, there's no need to discuss it as that would help spammers with their goal of disrupting channels.
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13:41<lsjet>If it was portrayed as a Facebook project from Zuckerberg, I'd believe it.
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13:50*LouWestin slaps Cannonical around a bit with a large ammodytes hexapterus
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14:03<edocod>Hello, I cannot seem to be able to boot Debian Netinstall on my server. The disk image is mounted as /dev/sdb and i can boot from it just fine, but then it tells me in the middle of the install that the disk cannot be used
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14:06<edocod>To copy it to my partition so i can boot to it i just use the usb netinstall iso and dd.., am i doing something wrong?
14:07<jmcnaught>edocod: did you copy the netinst image to a partition or a drive? The image is already partitioned, so copying it to a partition can cause problems.
14:08<edocod>I didn't copy it to /dev/sdb1, but /dev/sdb. I'm in a virtual environment and the drive is filled with an entire ext4 partition by default, but by setting /dev/sdb as target i think i'm replacing everything with the iso.
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14:09<jmcnaught>In a VM I usually use a virtual CD-ROM drive for the installer image.
14:10<edocod>I would use that too, but sadly this host i'm using right now doesn't have the debian ISO.
14:11<dboles>lsjet: is it just me or did you break facebook
14:11<edocod>I can create either empty drives or ones with already installed OS, but i'd like to install Debian from scratch
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14:15<Guest6125>HI
14:15<Guest6125>Any one here?
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14:18<dboles>!ask
14:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:19<sarnold>dboles: do note that Guest6125 left a few seconds after asking :)
14:19<edocod>Can i install debian using the installer, but from an already running debian OS?
14:20<edocod>Guess i can try this
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14:20<jmcnaught>edocod: you can use debootstrap to install: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
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14:22<edocod>I can boot an Ubuntu image, guess i can use that to debootstrap
14:22<edocod>Though i'm very not familiar with it and am afraid of screwing things u
14:22<edocod>up
14:22<petn-randall>edocod: Does the debian installer not boot for you?
14:22<wannabe-mirror>dnsmasq is better. its actually possible to firewall it shut
14:23<edocod>petn-randall, it boots, but gives me an error
14:23<edocod>I can tell you which one it is, wait
14:23<petn-randall>edocod: What kind of error?
14:23<edocod>Let me recreate the instance
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14:25<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, At first glance I would agree, does that really buy you anything though?
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14:28<edocod>Instance created
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14:30<lsjet>I mean you can block dhcp, but if you didn't want dhcp, you could just not run the client/server and same result. Rogue software might be a concern, but pretty sure you need root to read raw sockets anyway, so that doesn't seem useful.
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14:34<edocod>petn-randall, i get this dialog at first, that i've never seen https://imgur.com/djY2uPV.png
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14:36<edocod_>Oops, did i get banned? Anyway, hope my last two messages arrived
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14:36<edocod_>Error is "The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation"
14:38<sarnold>edocod_: the last we saw was https://imgur.com/djY2uPV.png
14:39<edocod_><edocod> then it tells me this https://imgur.com/frHtATL.png
14:39<edocod_>this was the other that didn't go through
14:39<jmcnaught>edocod_: what image did you download?
14:39<edocod_>iso-cd
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14:40<jmcnaught>edocod_: more specifically…
14:40<edocod_>I tried both with the buster and weekly build under "cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/../amd64/iso-cd/"
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14:49<edocod_>Oh seriously?
14:49<edocod_>Lol
14:50<edocod_>It was mounting some dummy /dev/sr0 instead of the /dev/sda it was booting from. Other than that, for some reason /dev/sda2 was the boot (had an efi folder inside) and /dev/sda1 the actual installer. Anyway, works now...
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15:08<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, just fyi: I found this info regarding the rationale for isc-dhcp using raw sockets. Looks like blocking dhcp in iptables will prevent some functionality (replying to relay agents and renewing clients). Nice to be aware of.
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15:09<lsjet>wannabe-mirror, duh I forgot the link. https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-00378
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15:30<user__>hello
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15:32<dboles>!next
15:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:33<annadane>"why isn't anyone responding to me, hello? hello? hello? hello? hello?"
15:33<annadane>because hello is obviously a question and should be treated as such
15:34<mendelmunkis>anadane: That's the first thing I've seen you say in several hours.
15:36<annadane>no, i don't have a question. i'm mimicking people who come here, want to ask a question, decide there's no one here and leave
15:36<annadane>hence the quotation marks
15:36<lsjet>lol
15:37<mendelmunkis>I was surprised due to seeing you here often.
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15:53<MonsterPDev>hello
15:53<MonsterPDev>anyone there ?
15:54<MonsterPDev>hello
15:54<annadane>MonsterPDev, hi, lots of people
15:54<annadane>just ask
15:55<MonsterPDev>ok
15:55<MonsterPDev>i have a question
15:55<MonsterPDev>i use parrot os
15:55<MonsterPDev>4.7
15:55<annadane>!parrot
15:55<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:55<MonsterPDev>yes
15:55<MonsterPDev>i use parrot os
15:55<annadane>yes, not supported here, ask #parrotsec on freenode
15:55<annadane>as dpkg said
15:56<MonsterPDev>one minute
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15:56<sarnold>MonsterPDev: this may help you http://rurounijones.github.io/blog/2009/03/17/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:56<MonsterPDev>after a lot of time of browsing on firefox parrot security become laggy and can't move the mouse
15:57<MonsterPDev>and i see processor:100% in use
15:57<MonsterPDev>how can i solve that ?
15:57<annadane>we can't really help you
15:57<annadane>and are you sure you want to use parrot?
15:57<annadane>!whynotpentesting
15:57<dpkg>For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me
15:57<annadane>!based on debian
15:57<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:58<MonsterPDev>Okay
15:58<MonsterPDev>Bye
15:58<MonsterPDev>how can i join in #parrotsec
15:59<annadane>join the freenode irc network first
15:59<annadane>then type /join #parrotsec
15:59<annadane>again, if you have to ask, you shouldn't run things like parrot
15:59<annadane>kali/parrot require a more advanced knowledge of the system compared to other linuxses
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16:00<MonsterPDev>i know
16:00<MonsterPDev>but it's a ethical hacking learning
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16:01<sqrt{not}>your lag problem is probably from hacker code running in your firefox, you should be careful where you browse
16:01<sqrt{not}>those hackers are trying to help you with learning
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16:29<sqrt{not}>geez, that'll teach me to be snippy with a Haxor......
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18:06<gagai>when the buster will be released?
18:07<gagai>when will the buster will be released
18:07<gagai>?
18:07<Logg>July 6th gagai
18:08<gagai>confirm?
18:08<gagai>ok thank you
18:09*dboles googles 'debian buster release date'
18:09<dboles>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster
18:09<somiaj>!buster release
18:09<dpkg>Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster
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19:49<wannabe-mirror>what does it take to arrange a debian release party?
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19:56<annadane>probably a bunch of computers and alcohol and food?
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