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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-29

---Logopened Sat Jun 29 00:00:45 2019
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00:08<Arcade>themill is there a particular day this is happening? Can I ask is xorg still going to be the main driver?
00:09<themill>!wwbr
00:09<dpkg>Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release on July 6, 2019. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html.
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00:17<Arcade>Ok thanks themill : it looks like if I am reading correctly xorg will still be the main driver and wayland not yet. I will just have to test this on my laptop and will see if I get any lockups I had to adjust a grub command line on boot but I hope this brings HDMI support for AMDGPU
00:18<themill>I don't know what "the main driver" means. If you want wayland, you run wayland, if you want xorg, you run xorg.
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00:31<Arcade>Sorry "display server" yeah I can see that Buster will have both so will just have to see what works one reason I like using Debian is the slow release and testing really helps.
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00:34<Arcade>Thanks whomever works on the project* ^ I am heading out thanks again themill
00:34<themill>o/
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00:45<somiaj>Arcade: gnome will default to waylend
00:46<Arcade>Ok good to know thanks somiaj I hope all goes well good in the past testing buster not so good for my laptop
00:48<kts>somiaj: What will KDE default to?
00:49*themill isn't sure that defaults are particularly relevant for anyone who knows how to even ask the question
00:51<somiaj>kts: I think gnome is the only de that is fully waylend ready and going to default to using waylend if you don't choose anything, though you can also choose an xorg session
00:52<somiaj>yea defaults in debian don't mean much, but people seem to ask about them alot
00:53<Arcade>themill it matters to me just a tad so I know what I am troubleshooting if I have problems: my laptop I had to patch up grub just for it to work so yeah its not a huge issue but helps
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04:08<pansement>bonjour, je suis bloqué sur un probleme d'extinction de l'ordinateur depuis 2j, quand je passe par le menu extinction j'ai un ecran noir avec indiqué "reboot : power off" et puis plus rien il reste allumé obligé de forcé l'arret. Est ce que quelqu'un aurai la gentillesse de me filer un ptit coup de main ?
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05:18<pansement>hello ! somebody can help me ? i can't shutdown my debian fresh setup... just the message "reboot:power off"
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05:22<pansement>please guys, I'm looking for a solution on the web since yesterday without success ...
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06:46<linux77>Hello great guys, good job! is here an good time to say good morning!
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11:36<Lantizia>Hey, is normal these days (e.g. testing on Debian 10) for a non-root user *not* to be in group cdrom but can still mount/umount cdrom at /media/cdrom ?
11:36<Lantizia>using the normal mount command that is, not pmount
11:36<somiaj>being in the cdrom group didn't help with mounting cdroms
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11:37<somiaj>but yes it is getting more normal via policykit and various other automounting utitlities and fuse to let users have the ability to mount things.
11:37<Lantizia>all the docs I'm finding suggests that was its purpose - even a debian wiki article
11:38<Lantizia>nah - this isn't a desktop setup - this is a bare bones machine, nothing selected with tasksel
11:38<somiaj>but the cdrom group only allowed users to write to the cdrom device (I think needed to burn cds), but mounting was something different. On traditional systems by default, being able to read/write to a file system wasn't enough to mount it.
11:38<somiaj>well systemd/logind/policykit are all fairly core, giving users ability to mount things
11:39<somiaj>cdrom: This group can be used locally to give a set of users access to a CDROM drive and other optical drives. -- from the wiki, doesn't say mount, being in that group allows one to read/write to the /dev/cdrom (or whatever devices) it actually points too
11:40<Lantizia>couldn't mounting be considered 'access' ?
11:40<somiaj>It isn't
11:41<somiaj>now it was also common to have /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab to allow users to mount it, but this is different than the cdrom group
11:41<Lantizia>ok so there is the cdrom owned by root:cdrom - and there is me 'bob' with no groups to my name at all... and using 'mount' i can just tell the kernel to mount a device I wouldn't myself be able to read directly?
11:41<somiaj>maybe check /etc/fstab.
11:41<Lantizia>i don't see an explanation really
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11:41<somiaj>when mounting the kernel/root needs to read the device, not the user
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11:41<Lantizia>at least not a clear one
11:42<Lantizia>ok so 'mount' asks.. why does the kernel permit it?
11:42<somiaj>once the filesystem is mounted, the kernel puts unix like permissions on it that then allow users to access it via the permisions.
11:42<somiaj>Historically you had to be root to mount, and one way around this was to have enteries in /etc/fstab
11:42<Lantizia>that's kind of besides the point
11:42<somiaj>the reason being is if users could mount things, they could eaisly make a filesystem with setuid bits on them, and gain root access just by mounting a filesystem with binaries with setuid bits
11:43<somiaj>but this was always a pain for desktop users, so there have been things (policykit/automounters/systemd/logind) that have allowed users to escilate their privlages to mount things
11:44<Lantizia>i see no polkit rules for this
11:44<somiaj>and no entry in /etc/fstab?
11:44<somiaj>(maybe it is hidden in logind). I know this is becomming more common, but I don't know the exact file/mechinisim. I just know it is (and never has been) the cdrom group to allow mounting
11:44<Lantizia>right
11:45<somiaj>this is in my /etc/fstab (and I didn't put there, put there by the installer)
11:45<somiaj>/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto
11:45<Lantizia>so i've always associated fstab as just an automounter on boot - but by the entry existing in there and stating 'user' as an option - that *is* the permission
11:45<somiaj>this allows users to mount /media/cdrom0
11:45<Lantizia>this explains what I'm after
11:46<somiaj>Yea, this is a safe way to allow suers to mount things, because they can only mount the very specific thing in /etc/fstab, not anything they want.
11:46<sqrt{not}>shout also notice "noauto" so not for any automounter ?
11:46<Lantizia>i guess that's ok - but assuming I ever gave it anothor cdom or a usb cdrom - it wouldn't be sr0 and I'm probably best leaving the cdrom group rights in the user for this
11:47<somiaj>I think you would only need to be in the cdrom group if it was a cdburner and you wanted to give your user the ability to burn cdroms
11:48<Lantizia>yeah even leaving 'bob' in the 'cdrom' group it can't use 'mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom' - claims i need root
11:48<Lantizia>that is - with the fstab line commented out
11:48<Lantizia>so sounds like the cdrom thing is basically pointless on server installs really
11:49<somiaj>Lantizia: you can also just comment out that one line in /etc/fstab if you don't think normal users should have the ability to mount what is in the cdrom. Note they would need physical access (put a cdrom in it) and since it is and isofs, so you won't have any setuid bits or things to worry about even if a user put in a crafted cdrom
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11:49<somiaj>because note the fstab entry will only mount iso9660 filesystems or udf filesystems, and no other types
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11:52<Lantizia>think i've got it straight in my head - thanks somiaj
11:53<somiaj>yea, also note that the disk group allows users to write to /dev/sda but they still cant mount it (though they can write directly tot he disk image, thus destorying or being able to edit anything if they knew exactly what bits to write too
11:54<somiaj>groups mostly affect which files you can read/write/execute
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11:55<Lantizia>so in short, 'cdrom' the group won't help with mounting - it was an fstab entry doing that (which may not be consistent dependant on any future /dev/ location for a cdrom)... and all 'cdrom' group did was allow direct reading/writing to the /dev entry itself
11:55<Lantizia>e.g. i could back up an iso or burn a cd
11:55<Lantizia>so if I want proper mounting/umounting without root - i'm really after plugdev and pmount
11:55<somiaj>yea, I think the installer detects what device is the cdrom and adds that entry to match the cdrom it sees during the install
11:56<somiaj>again I think policykit (is that what pmount means) allows for more of this these days
11:56<somiaj>since I don't run a desktop, and hate automounters, I just use root (via sudo) when I have to mount filesystems on my system.
11:56<Lantizia>is plugdev and polkit related? i didn't think it was?
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11:56<somiaj>But I don't have more than me as the user and administrator
11:57<somiaj>Lantizia: I personally can't keep up, there has been so many eveolutions of ways to allow users to mount things, and I just dont' like any of them (I'm a traditionalist and think only root should be able to mount things)
11:57<somiaj>I have just heard via support here that policykit is kinda taking over a lot of this, and a lot of the older methods are depricated, slowly being removed
11:57<Lantizia>well on desktops (so far I've only been on about my server installs) I agree, it's a bit crappy
11:58<Lantizia>i have a bunch of bash/.desktop files which when triggered mount/umount anything useful i need day to day via fuse
11:58<Lantizia>like a toggle-able shortcut.. and the mounted dir just appears alongside
11:58<Lantizia>in /home/user/Mounts/
11:59<somiaj>I think the fuse filesystem is also making good strides to allow users to mount things, but correctly isolate it from the system (like not allowuing setuid root bits)
11:59<somiaj>but that is my understanding the biggest security hole. If a user can mount a file system with setuid bits, they can take over your system. Just create a file system and put a setuid root 'su' binary, then /path/to/my/mount/su and boom, they are root
12:01<Lantizia>i *think* i follow, so are you saying make an ordinary file as an ordinary user - format it - stick inside it an executable that will make you root - have it owned by you... then loop mount that whole file?
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12:02<Lantizia>and since the exectuable will be owned by you - you can run it
12:02<somiaj>or put it on a usb drive, or something like that but yes
12:02<somiaj>well no
12:02<somiaj>not quite, it doesn't mattter who owns it, (for example a normal user can run su)
12:02<somiaj>What matters is it has the 'setuid' bit on it that allows it to be run by the owner, so thus a normal user could run the binary, but it would run with root permissions
12:03<Lantizia>ah i see
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12:03<Lantizia>never had much contact with setuid - but i get what it does now
12:03<Lantizia>does it still have a place today really?
12:04<Lantizia>i'd have thought we'd be more inclined to have some kind of service - that when asked escalates access to root based on permission in some other way
12:04<Lantizia>e.g. sudo/polkit/etc..
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12:04<Lantizia>if setuid is so dangerous - why continue the functionality
12:05<somiaj>yea, there are lots of binaries in which setuid allows some very specific binary to run
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12:05<somiaj>it isn't dangerous if used correctly, and there are various system binaries that are setuid for various reasons
12:05<Lantizia>like ping
12:06<somiaj>sudo is actually one, so without it sudo woudlnt' work
12:06<somiaj>chsh is a good one to have setuid on (so users can change their shells)
12:07<somiaj>so there are various simple tasks a user would need root permisions for, and have a binary that is well written this is fine (provided users can't mount their own filesystems)
12:07<somiaj>run this command 'find /usr/bin -perm -4000'
12:07<Lantizia>tbh i'm not convinced storing that information ON the filesystem was ever a great idea to begin with
12:08<Lantizia>anyway back to my jobs
12:08<Lantizia>good talk and all :D
12:08<somiaj>Traditionally it was a decent way. And since you can mount filesystems 'noexec' there are wasy to disable stuff like this
12:09<somiaj>i.e. just ensure that any filesystem a user can mount is 'noexec' (cannot exceute files) this way it doesn't matter what is on the filesystem, they can only read/write it
12:09<somiaj>but yea, as I said systemd/logind/policykit is bluring a lot of these lines
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13:54<marcus_>hi all. as buster is going to be released soon, is testing already continuing for buster+1 or will it continue as soon as stable is released?
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14:04<somiaj>during the release process, a copy of buster will be made and called bullseye
14:05<somiaj>it will then become the new testing and the freeze will lift and standard develoment cycle will continue
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14:18<marcus_>somiaj, thanks for the explenation. so it means it is safe to stay on testing until buster is released if i understand correctly.
14:18<somiaj>I always suggest people use 'buster' and not 'testing' in their sources.list
14:19<somiaj>this way you freeze/stablize with buster. You can then change buster to bullseye in the future if you want to go back to testing. But often times (it is getting better) a lot of bugs/issues during the initial stage of a new testing after the freeze is released and packages start flowing again
14:19<somiaj>if you have 'testing' in your sources.list you'll just upgarde to testing and may not be expeting/ready for it
14:20<marcus_>yes I understand, but actually the only reason for it is that if you miss the change on release date you will continue rolling on testing or not?
14:21<marcus_>because before the release it is actually the same.
14:22<marcus_>to be clear. I understand got your point, somiaj I just would like to understand how it works.
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14:23<somiaj>testing is just a link, it links to the codename
14:23<somiaj>during the relase testing->buster changes to testing->bullseye
14:23<somiaj>in general it is always better to use the codename instead of the link, because then changing the link won't affect you, and you as the user can choose if and when to upgrade to the new codename.
14:24<marcus_>okay, so testing is already on bullseye or it will just change on the release day?
14:25<somiaj>no bullseye doesn't even exist yet
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14:25<somiaj>testing is a link, it links to buster. During the release (next weekend) a copy of buster will be made, it will be called bullseye, and the testing link will then move from buster to bullseye
14:25<somiaj>the stable link will move from stretch to buster
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14:25<somiaj>and the oldstable link will be created to point at stretch
14:28<marcus_>okay, perfect. This is how i imagined it. Even though I have never heard about bullseye before (besides in Darting).
14:28<marcus_>thank you very much for your explenation.
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15:40<kveroneau>Does debian libgdk current ship with the "--with-gdktarget=linux-fb" configure support enabled? I know the Debian Installer uses GTK+ on the framebuffer, but I am not 100% if the library in the repo has this support enabled. Any ideas where to look?
15:41<kveroneau>I used apt-cache search to locate a framebuffer specific version of either libgtk or libgdk, but no result came back, so either it's not mentioned in the description, or it is not supported.
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15:42<dboles>i thought that was removed between 2 and 3
15:44<somiaj>you will sometimes have to check the actual debian source for things like that, you can find it online from links at tracker.debian.org/packagename, or apt source packagename to download it to your local machine.
15:44<kveroneau>dboles, that's unfortunate if that's the case. It can be a very useful feature for embedded systems with a small amount of memory, and in situations where you do not want to install X.org or Wayland.
15:44<somiaj>but yea, woudln't surprise me if they removed such support alltogether, gnome doens't care about framebuffers, espcially with kms taking over
15:45<dboles>but in that case you may or may not be able to find a version of gtk 2 with it
15:45<dboles>however i wouldn't start using 2 at this point
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15:45<kveroneau>Hmm, is there an alternative method to display GTK programs without X/Wayland/Framebuffer now? svgalib isn't an option.
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15:46<somiaj>not that I have seen, if not using X, you may just need to use console programs that use dialog/ncurses
15:47<somiaj>but I don't really look for such solutions, I use lots of console apps because I'm use to them.
15:47<dboles>broadway ;-)
15:48<kveroneau>somiaj, I was considering that, as the rows and cols on the embedded console I am working with are quite high, so I was thinking of creating a TUI in ncurses for my needs.
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15:49<kveroneau>The application doesn't require any input, nor can it accept input. It is purely a HUD display to display information about specific local systems.
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16:15<scar>hey how would i go about getting a debian wheezy system updated? do i just change the sources.list run a dist-upgrade or is there some better way?
16:17<sqrt{not}>!wheezy->jessie
16:20<scar>!wheezy->jessie
16:20<scar>lol is that supposed to do something?
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16:27<sqrt{not}>I thought it used to, long ago, sorry. I think you are basicly correct, just upgrade to jessie. And problably upgrade more after that.
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16:38<scar>okay, and once i get it update to stretch, can i just put "stable" into the sources.list instead of the codename, so it says updated?
16:38<scar>stays*
16:39<sqrt{not}>scar: I know Jessie is still available at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ but maybe not on the mirror repos. I think you again have to do the dist-upgrade to get from stretch to buster
16:39<jmcnaught>scar: no that's not the best way to do it, you should use the codename so you don't get a surprise release upgrade
16:40<jmcnaught>scar: when you do an upgrade you should read the release notes for that version to see issues to be aware of, what's new, and the official upgrade instructions
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16:42<scar>ok thanks
16:43<amacater>scar: Debian buster is due out next weekend or so - so update to stretch before you upgrade to buster :)
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16:50<somiaj>scar: in general you should always use codenames (stretch/buster/bullseye) and not links (oldstable/stable/testing) -- the links will change at the release, the codenames will not
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16:52<annadane>buster hype!
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16:59<amacater>Don't need to hype it - it's good :)
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17:36<amacater>!ask
17:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:38<Guest6341>are you bot?
17:38<Guest6341>@dpkg @amacater
17:38<Guest6341>?
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17:42<amacater>I'm not a bot but dpkg Is :)
17:43<amacater>This isn't a test channel - it is a channel where you're expected to ask questions or raise problems and ask advice
17:44<amacater>!test
17:44<dpkg>Test failed.
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17:58<uumas>I'm trying to set up preseeding for vms and can't figure out partitioning. I have /dev/vda preformatted in ext4 and all I need the installer to do is to use it as the root partition. How can I achieve that?
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18:20<amacater>apt-get install debian-handbook ... one of the appendices goes into detail on preseeding and is about the easiest reference to lay your hand on ...
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18:24<rrabbitt>is anyone here
18:24<amacater>!ask
18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:25<rrabbitt>i am trying to learn to do irc
18:25<amacater>Ah, OK
18:26<rrabbitt>so how do i get into a chat room
18:26<amacater>dpkg is a bot - but there are lots of folk who drop in from time to time
18:26<dpkg>amacater: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
18:26<amacater>There are lots of folk who drop in
18:27<rrabbitt>i used to use yahoo messenger
18:27<amacater>Well you're here now - hanga around for a bit and learn ? :)
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18:28<rrabbitt>i am using MS18 off a flash drive it is fast
18:28<rrabbitt>mx18
18:32<amacater>!mx
18:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
18:32<amacater>OK - not that mx :) This channel is primarily about Debian
18:32<amacater>!debian
18:32<dpkg>hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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18:35<uumas>amacater: The same info was found in debian wiki. When I try to use the example configs and remove the separate boot and swap it still creates a root partition as /dev/vda1, but I want to just use /dev/vda, preferably without formatting it (doesn't really matter though)
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18:38<uumas>Is there maybe a way to make the installer just use /dev/vda as root partition without involving partman at all?
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18:46<thsnr>uumas: /dev/vda is the entire disk device, /dev/vda1 is the first partition on that disk
18:46<uumas>Yes, I know. I want to use the entire disk as it's actually an lvm volume on the vm host
18:47<uumas>If I made a partition on it, managing it would be much more difficult
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18:53<amacater>If it's an lvm volume - use the LVM partitioning examples. In general, using the whole of a disk - vda - for one partition is bad ..
18:54<thsnr>hm, interesting setup. where would the bootloader exist in such a scenario?
18:56<amacater>Both /boot and /grub still exist
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18:56<uumas>It's an lvm volume on the vm host, It's added as a disk for the vm and it sees it as /dev/vda and is unaware of lvm. Why is it bad to do this? We use qemu direct kernel boot, so no bootloader is needed.
18:58<uumas>On a non-preseeded install it's as simple as selecting the disk and telling it to use as ext4, not to format and mountpoint /
18:59<thsnr>yeah, but the first stage lives in the MBR (for BIOS, UEFI needs a separate partition anyway) - maybe it is different when booting VMs
19:00<amacater>UEFI needs a dos type partition for EFI
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19:00<uumas>It wouldn't necessarily be different, but as we use direct kernel boot, the kernel is loaded by qemu directly from the host
19:01<thsnr>uumas: ah sorry, missed that part
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19:16<thsnr>uumas: seems like you are out of luck, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs01.html.en#preseed-limitations
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19:17<thsnr>> You must (re)partition an entire disk or use available free space on a disk; it is not possible to use existing partitions.
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19:20<uumas>I guess that also means I can't use the entire disk as a partition. Thanks for the help anyway! I guess I'll look into doing this with maybe ansible or FAI os just do the partitioning manually.
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19:44<rwp>uumas, I am not sure but it might be that a debootstrap installation might suit you better. Maybe. It's an idea.
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20:03<uumas>rwp: That seems like it could be fun. It's a lot different than I'm used to, but someone has made an ansible role for debootstrap, which I'll probably try. Thanks for the idea! Wouldn't have thought of that myself.
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20:15<rwp>uumas, I think it might be a good fit for you. Since then you control everything about the installation. At the cost of requiring that you do all of the polish as well. But you have ansible for that. :-)
20:16<rwp>Things like creating the partitions and the file systems and swap and then later setting up /etc/fstab to match as required. Installing a bootloader. And the rest. But you get exactly what you want.
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23:45<vit>hola
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---Logclosed Sun Jun 30 00:00:46 2019