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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-07-03

---Logopened Wed Jul 03 00:00:51 2019
00:04-!-alumno [~alumno@170.233.235.2] has joined #debian
00:04-!-alumno is "Alumno" on #debian
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00:05-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:11-!-_pa is "pav" on #qemu #Corsair #linux #moocows #debian
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00:21-!-cootcraig is "Craig Anderson" on #suckless #morpheus #debian
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00:27-!-GoodmaN is "GoodmaN" on #debian
00:33<GoodmaN>/whois NickServ
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00:35-!-miklcct is "Michael Tsang" on #debian #debian-next
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00:36-!-Strife89 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:51-!-bubben is "realname" on #debian
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01:02-!-cupcake90 is "realname" on #debian @#rhel #ubuntu
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01:09-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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01:14-!-kalihik is "realname" on #debian
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01:27-!-dpanter is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde
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01:31-!-sadrak|work is "purple" on #debian
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01:59-!-fstd_ is "fstd" on #oftc #linode #debian #kernelnewbies
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02:03-!-andrea15 is "andrea" on #openstack #lvm #virt #debian
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02:04-!-izh is "Denis" on #debian
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02:05-!-GoodmaN is "GoodmaN" on #debian
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02:06-!-t3chn0 is "KLOS Staff Member - http://kaizushigdv5mrnz.onion/" on #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-es #debian-offtopic #oftc #tor-dev
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02:08-!-bzed is "Bernd Zeimetz" on #oftc #debian-glibc #ikiwiki #debian-devel-changes #debian-lists @#pkg-phototools #debian-sparc #storage #debian-zope #debian
02:08-!-zamuro [~Samantha@85.137.122.114.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
02:08-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian #debian-es #debian-ve
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02:08-!-zyley is "zylyey" on #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #moocows #oftc
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02:09-!-rudi_s is "Simon Ruderich" on #debian-next #suckless #qemu #bitlbee #debian-games #debian
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02:09-!-zumbi is "zumbi" on #debian-next #debian #debian-catalan #debconf-bursaries @#debian-treasurer #debian-fundraising #emdebian #debian-mx #debian-ni #debian-gt #debian-bcn2014 #debian-es #debian-rant @#debian-piuparts #cdbs #apt
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02:09-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian-kde #debian
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02:10-!-JStoker is "JStoker" on #uml #debian-soc #debian-irc #debian-sayhi
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02:10-!-chaos is "realname" on #perl #php
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02:10-!-Heili is "Heikki Piirainen" on #debian-meeting #openttd #debian-next #debian
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02:10-!-Myon_ is "Christoph Berg" on #help #elephant-shed #moocows #oftc #debian
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02:11-!-eberna is "Emanuele Bernardi" on #debian
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02:11-!-supaman_ is "Olafur Jens Sigurdsson" on #debian
02:11-!-xoddf2 is "Anonymous Coward" on #debian #moocows
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02:11-!-nkuttler_ is "nkuttler" on #quodlibet #debian-next #debian
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02:17-!-medicalwei is "Yao Wei" on #debian-fonts #debian @#lxde #debian-offtopic
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05:52<pnf2>hello, I have a thinkpad R60e that I have installed debian on. When I issue a restart, the laptop gets stuck in the BIOS image that says Thinkpad and never loads grub
05:52<pnf2>but it starts up normally if it's a normal shutdown
05:57<pnf2>any ideas how to fix this»
05:57<pnf2>?
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06:36<pipedream>try boot with reboot=pci added to boot options and then see whether reboot works
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06:56<luna_>Debian 10 Test Day Today: https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-10.0-Testing
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07:07<wannabe-mirror>is *lots of* alcohol really mandatory for a release party? isnt it good enough with modest amounts, so that everybody can walk home safely?
07:09<pnf2>I am having problems restarting my computer under debian
07:10<jelly>wannabe-mirror, is there a specification somewhere requiring "lots of"?
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07:10<jelly>pnf2, did you read this <pipe'dream> try boot with reboot=pci added to boot options and then see whether reboot works
07:11<pnf2>jelly, sorry I ddin't got disconnected
07:11<pnf2>where should I add that too?
07:11<pnf2>the kernel line in grub?
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07:17<wannabe-mirror>i might throw a party but with pizza, chili, snacks, non-alcoholic drinks and "only" modest amounts of alcoholic ones. then i have tools so that guests can install more ram or an ssd into their computers, and of course usb flash drives with pre-dd'd debian images on them so the guests can install debian on their laptops.
07:20<duclicsic>do you typically bring a laptop to parties?
07:20<wannabe-mirror>computer-related ones maybe
07:24<dboles>do what i did
07:25<dboles>take a laptop that had Windows on a mechanical HD, and *somehow!* never seemed worth the £1000 you spent on it, and simultaneously (1) move to debian, (2) on an SSD
07:25<dboles>a revelation
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07:30<wannabe-mirror>very much exactly what i had in mind when i wrote the invitation emails
07:31<pnf2>wannabe-mirror, what sort of party is that? Like a linux install party?
07:31<jelly>pnf2, yes
07:31<jelly>(Re: kernel boot parameter)
07:33<wannabe-mirror>this is beyond the scope of this irc channel but is an ssd categorically better then a 7200 rpm hdd? are consumer-level hdd's essentially obsolete?
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07:36<wannabe-mirror>what are you saying? is it a bad idea to lend tools and flash drives to the guests?
07:36<pnf2>jelly, I am not sure how to configure grub. the only time I have done it was on opensuse, and there was a user interface specifically for that. I am not sure exactly how to proceed on debian
07:37<wannabe-mirror>is the correct file /etc/default/grub?
07:38<wannabe-mirror>changes in /boot/grub/grub.cfg are (to my knowledge) overwritten everytime the kernel is updated
07:39<pipedream>pnf2: at the grub menu press escape
07:41<pipedream>pnf2: actually that might not be necessary. arrows to move between grub menu items, move to the top one and press 'e' to edit
07:41<pipedream>then arrows to where it says 'quiet splash' and change it to 'reboot=pci quiet splash' then I think it is either control-x or F10 to boot
07:41<jelly>pnf2, just edit it temporarily to test things.
07:42<pipedream>if that works, if after that boot you can reboot normally, then you can edit the file /etc/default/grub and run update-grub to make it permanent
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07:50<pnf2>pipedream, jelly, but won't that change be lost when I reboot. Meaning I edited boot to debian, restart to test, but when I restart to test the change won't be lost?
07:51<pnf2>meaning I will be testing without it
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07:57<jelly>pnf2, you can verify kernel boot parameters for the current active kernel, cat /proc/cmdline
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08:00<pnf2>jelly, ok will try that
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08:24<pnf2>jelly, it worked
08:24<pnf2>what does that option do?
08:24<pnf2>reboot=pci ?
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08:28<pipedream>changes the way the kernel asks the hardware to reboot
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08:28<pipedream>there is More Than One Way To Reboot
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08:29<pipedream>since your issue happens before you reach grub, and only when rebooting, the kernel parameter will have effect on how you reboot and maybe on whether or not you experience your issue
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08:30<pnf2>I see. pci seems to work fine
08:30<pipedream>no more error?
08:31<pnf2>yes, reboots fine, should I edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in the /etc/default/grub?
08:31<pipedream>Make it permanent by editing /etc/default/grub and editing the line
08:31<pipedream>I always forget the difference, let me check
08:31<pipedream>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/440961/grub-cmdline-linux-default-vs-grub-cmdline-linux
08:32<pipedream>so you want GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
08:32<pipedream>ah, so you can probably remember from the "quiet splash" that this is only for normal mode, not recovery mode
08:32<pipedream>tho I don't seem to manage that
08:33<pipedream>you can google the different modes you can set reboot=mode and try more of them, unless this is fine and you don't want to go down a rabbit hole
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10:00<laptop>hi possible nondebian question here
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10:00<laptop>but when using debian
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10:01<laptop>I try try to watch a video say in chromium, firefox, or palemoon and the video uses 100% cpu, not sure why got 2 gb ram and amd x2 1.7 ghz computer with nvidia chip propietary drivers installed whats going on, is my computer now too slow
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10:02<dboles>"now" implies it used to be different. when did it change, and did you change any config around that time
10:04<laptop>sorry there is no now it has always been
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10:08<pgimeno>I have linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 version 4.9.130-2 installed, but the repository has version 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (which is inferior, which looks odd to me, but anyway). What can I do to compile a kernel module for my version?
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10:13<pgimeno>also, any idea how I ended up with a version greater than that on the repo? (I'm running stretch)
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10:18<laptop>stretch updates are really slow
10:18<laptop>firefox is slow
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10:21<pgimeno>hm, it seems I must have installed .130 manually because I also have 4.9.110-3+deb9u2, but I forgot I did
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10:35<mejo>how would you check whether a package is available before installing it? I'd like the command exit with success if the package is not available but catch all errors if the installation fails for another reason.
10:36<mejo>`apt-get install $package || /bin/true` would hide all errors
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10:38<mejo>`if apt-cache show $package >/dev/null 2>&1; then apt-get install $package; else /bin/true; fi` would work but I wonder whether there's a better/cleaner approach
10:40<themill>any reason to check first?
10:40<themill>(availability doesn't guarantee installability)
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10:44<mejo>themill: I want this code to run on different Debian releases and the package is not available on all.
10:44<mejo>further code doesn't depend on functions of the package, so I really just want to install the package if available, that's all.
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10:46<pgimeno>This is turning even more confusing, I also have linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 version 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 installed. It looks like I didn't manually install 4.9.0-8 after all.
10:46<grove>Could `apt-get --download-only` perhaps be of value?
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10:48<becks`>hi, so all I try is to install npm... but I'm getting this: http://paste.debian.net/1090170/
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10:54<grove>!bat
10:54<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:58<grove>becks`: See what dpkg said. But it looks like you have a source that offers a newer version of npm than what's in stretch, while all the dependencies will be taken from stretch
11:01<becks`>grove so the source is in /etc/apt/sources.list? this looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/1090172/
11:03<pgimeno>becks`: do you have any packages held? it says so at the bottom
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11:08<pgimeno>actually, stretch doesn't have any npm packages, no idea how you got apt to swallow that
11:08<becks`>pgimeno: executing "dpkg --get-selections | grep hold" doesn't show anything
11:09<becks`>ok then :( thanks
11:09<pgimeno>it's in stretch-backports though, maybe you can install that one
11:10<pgimeno>do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
11:11<becks`>docker.list hetzner-mirror.list hetzner-security-updates.list
11:12<becks`>http://paste.debian.net/1090174/
11:12<becks`>aah there's a stretch-backports in there
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11:13<pgimeno>the backports version should work though, maybe there's a source that pulls a version other than that in stretch-backports
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11:17<pgimeno>can you show 'apt-cache policy npm' (as dpkg requested)?
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11:18<becks`>there it is: http://paste.debian.net/1090177/
11:18<mejo>grove: maybe that's the best option. `apt-cache show $package` is not a reliable check as the package might exist as virtual package.
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11:22<pgimeno>ok, my guess is that some existing package depends on a version of one of the packages that are to be updated, and that prevents the upgrade.
11:23<pgimeno>on a specific* version
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11:25<pgimeno>could you show 'apt-cache policy nodejs'?
11:26<pgimeno>and also 'apt-cache policy'
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13:22<Guest6615>Hello everyone, maybe you remember me, i was asking for help because of some graphical drivers problems. I also wrote that i will try to install the testing debian buster. I'm now on arch lol, sorry for offtopic
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13:31<annadane>the stages of coping: denial -> anger -> bargaining -> depression -> arch linux
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14:45<pgimeno>As a follow up to my earlier question, I found https://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/4.9.130-2/ and I was able to build and install the module (with some noise but it worked).
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14:59<trucekill>hows it going everyone
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15:04<lsjet>it's going
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15:08<petn-randall>going away it seems
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18:33<Lomax>Why is my server staying at linux-image-amd64 version 4.9+80+deb9u6? (http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e75b17bc) Is my apt pinning wrong?
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18:41<Lomax>... I was told to update to 4.9.168-1+deb9u3, but now apt update says I'm up to date, but there is linux-image-amd64 version 4.9+80+deb9u7 in stable, why isn't it in stable/updates? Please help.
18:41<LtL>Lomax: apt defaults to the highest pinning level, so yes your pinning is wrong
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18:43<Lomax>So should stable be higher then stable/updates?? Shouldn't updates be a priority?
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18:46<LtL>Lomax: those should be the same, pinning is used for mixing releases which is a bad idea in the first place
18:47<LtL>i don't use pinning so i'm not the one to ask.
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19:07<somiaj>Lomax: linux-image-amd64 is just a meta package, look at the actual kernel it points at to see what kernel version you have installed
19:07<Lomax>LtL: Hmmm, after setting stable/updates preference to 900 too (the same as stable) I have 25 packages upgradable now, I assume with versions higher in stable than in stable/updates.
19:07<somiaj>Also why are you wanting to pin this image, and not use the current image with security upgrades.
19:08<somiaj>if you are mixing stable and testing, we odn't support this.
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19:08<Lomax>somiaj: I want the latest stable to be installed.
19:08<somiaj>We do not support mixxing stable with testing or unstable
19:10<somiaj>but what I said is still true, look at the actual kernel that meta pacakge points at, not the meta package. linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 is the current abi version of the kernel in stretch
19:12<Lomax>somiaj: Yes, I'm aware, linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 is what i need.
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21:58-!-nyov is "nyov" on #oftc #debian #luakit
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22:00-!-dust is "dust" on #debian-games #debian #debian-next #debian-science #linux-rt
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22:00-!-}ls{ is "nobody" on #debian-nginx #debian-lan #debian-kde #debian-django #debian
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22:07-!-madduck_ is "martin f krafft, 0x55c9882d999bbcc4, @martinkrafft" on #virt #reclass #oftc #dpp #debian-ipv6 #debian #bar
22:08-!-madduck_ is now known as Guest6637
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22:29-!-madduck__ is "martin f krafft, 0x55c9882d999bbcc4, @martinkrafft" on #virt #reclass #oftc #dpp #debian-ipv6 #debian #bar
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22:55-!-TomTheDragon is "Tom the Dragon" on #debian
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23:03-!-rcf is "rcf" on #debian
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23:46-!-javashin is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #ck
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23:57-!-cupcake90 is "realname" on #ubuntu @#rhel #debian
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