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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-07-06

---Logopened Sat Jul 06 00:00:54 2019
---Daychanged Sat Jul 06 2019
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03:05-!-schizo is "me without a mic is like a beat without a snare" on #oftc #moocows #debian
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03:08<stingertor>buster is about to be released woohoo
03:20<piA><3
03:22<piA>btw is there a way to become a primary mirror after X years ?
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05:05<Guest6792>Hello
05:05<Guest6792>Anybody here ?
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05:06<codehelp>according to /names, there are >500 people here ... please ask your question, someone will likely be able to respond
05:09<amacater>!ask
05:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:10<amacater>There will be news about the Buster release around through the day: you can also try the news feed from the publicity team at https://micronews.debian.org/
05:10<stingertor>not sure if their are admins here but does anyone know if the buster release is minutes away or more like several more hours? :) I see the updates on micronews
05:11<jmw>stingertor: hours.
05:11<codehelp>lots of stuff to move around, lots of testing to be done ....
05:11<stingertor>oh okay thanks. time for sleep i guess lol
05:11<amacater>Several hours - it takes a long time to do all the checks, build CDs, final push - the process has started and is ocntinuing
05:11<stingertor>thanks glad I asked :)
05:12<stingertor>nice thanks for the info
05:12<amacater>At the minute, they're just starting to migrate all the pointers for oldstable, stable and so on on the master archive
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08:17<ramfs_stretchS>why does ntp maxpoll not work when waking vm host from sleep?
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08:20<os_>hi
08:22<os_>i have upgrade jessie to stretch right now, everything works fine until now but apt can't fetch files from the network
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08:23<os_>although i can reslove debian package's repository using other programs (like wget or curl)
08:24<ramfs_stretchS>did you check /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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08:25<os_>this is really strange and it's very spicefic to apt and apt-file
08:25<TobiX>os_: Broken proxy between you and the mirror?
08:26<TobiX>!paste
08:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
08:26<os_>ramfs_stretchS , yes, and i tried the same urls with wget
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08:26<TobiX>os_: Can you paste the errors on a pastebin and provide a link?
08:26<grove>What is the error you're getting?
08:26<os_>yes, just a minute please
08:27<os_>BTW, it's in chroot and it's armhf
08:27<os_>but i don't think it's related
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08:38<os_>https://0bin.net/paste/FCUyOX8OukrCessa#-BjzQZWJqSH1iK460vEo4QbkcSYvuWS0qbklCwz19ge
08:40<os_>TobiX grove
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08:54<TobiX>os_: apt does SRV record lookups since stretch. Is your DNS server broken?
08:54<os_>no
08:55<os_>but wait please
08:56<TobiX>That's the only thing different I can think of between apt and other HTTP clients
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08:57<os_>i don't even have dns server in this installation :|
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08:59<TobiX>os_: What upstream DNS server are you using? (/etc/resolv.conf)
08:59<os_>TobiX, ok np
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09:00<os_>4.2.2.2
09:00<os_>8.8.8.8
09:01<os_>8.8.4.4
09:01<os_>)the usual i think )
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09:02<TobiX>Well, Google's DNS shouldn't have a problem with SRV records...
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09:04<os_>it's chrooted in android, but this shouldn't have any effect
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09:05<TobiX>Welllllll
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09:06<Cayenne>1.1.1.1
09:06<Cayenne>1.0.0.1
09:06<TobiX>os_: How anchient is the kernel of that said Android device?
09:06<Cayenne>Cloudflare
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09:09<mais>hello, I am using Debian 9 and I have an issue with the sound. Each application has each own different volume setting which is not the same with the general setting (https://i.imgur.com/ab92lT3.png). And when the applications (channels?) become too many the windows gets so big that I cannot reach the settings of all the applications, since there is no scrolling, nor window resize. Any ideas appreciated!
09:09<TobiX>os_: This is not a Debian problem, but this might work: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/346212
09:09<os_>uname -a:
09:09<TobiX>os_: Android is fucking up your environment
09:10<os_>Linux bugtraq-deathstalker 3.10.65-9080737 #2 SMP PREEMPT
09:10<os_>Thu Aug 25 09:53:18 KST 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
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09:11<os_>TobiX i have already do this when i chrooted
09:12<os_>but this is not the strange part, everything was working fine before i upgraded to stretch
09:13<os_>Oh no
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09:13<os_>wait a minute please
09:13<TobiX>os_: Probably something overwrote your changes. But as I said: This is not a Debian problem, so not supported here
09:14<os_>ok
09:15<TobiX>dpkg: tell os_ about mobile
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09:16<os_>TobiX it is solved now, thanks bro
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09:47<uumas>os_: Please let us know what the problem was
09:48<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Hi?
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09:48<dboles>!ask
09:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:48<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Anyone there?
09:48<os_>it is the guid of the user _apt, it has changed during system upgrade
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09:50<os_>uumas, i made him 3003 and everything worked again
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09:54<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>I'm suprised people use this
09:55<dboles>you're supposed to just ask what you want help with and if anyone can answer, they will. it's not a chat room
09:55<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Ah, I see
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09:56<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>So this is a support chatroom, correct?
09:57<dboles>it is a support channel. so ask the question you want support with, and if anyone online can help, they will. it's not a chatroom in the sense that there's any point coming on and saying 'hi anyone there', etc
09:57<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Well I do have a few questions,
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09:58<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>My first one is that why does this chat boost up CPU processing on my Pi?
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09:58<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>It's sitting at 30-55% right now
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09:59<blast007>are you running raspbian?
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09:59<blast007>alrightly then
09:59<dboles>rip
10:00<grove>!next
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10:25<atom>hi
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10:25<jmw>!ask
10:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:28<atom>Anyone interested to start any conversation?
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10:30<jmw>dpkg will talk with you
10:30<dpkg>jmw: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
10:31<atom>!help
10:31<atom>!h
10:31<dpkg>h is plank's constant or 6.625*10^-34 J*s. It's also the file extension of header files. (Note that h with crossed bar has 2pi in it...), or hydrogen
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11:31<binaryhermit>(asks the question that's probably been asked about 15 times today)
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11:33<jmw>!ask
11:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:36<annadane>if the question is "when will buster officially be available", like i said yesterday, if you subscribe to mailing lists...
11:37<annadane>oh, you weren't there.
11:37<annadane>https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/
11:38<annadane>blah it was the #debian on freenode, never mind
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11:39<annadane>from what i hear the mirrors are up to date, they just need to actually release the images, but don't quote me on that
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11:39<jmw>no
11:40<jmw>everything is staged, cd images are being generated and tested, mirror push will take place when everything is finished
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11:56<piA>i can check my mirror
11:57<annadane>well that's not going to do much, because how can you tell if it's finished? the packages will be *there*, but...
11:58<annadane>it's basically done, i'm just waiting until the announcement
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11:59<jmw>you'll be waiting a while, we're only about 65% through
11:59<binaryhermit>I'm vaguely hoping the torrents are out before I have to go to work
11:59<binaryhermit>sounds unlikely though
12:00<binaryhermit>which ain't the end of the world
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12:00<jhutchins>binaryhermit: You might want to wait until you have time to deal with upgrade issues and read the release notes.
12:00<binaryhermit>I'm not upgrading, I just wanna hop on and seed as long as I can
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12:01<binaryhermit>I really don't have anything to upgrade because I'm an idiot who likes to live on the bleeding edge
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12:06<doozer>taps foot
12:06*jmw taps doozer
12:06<annadane>i have no complaints with stretch so i could just wait until 10.1
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12:08<doozer>will the DVD images follow the CD images?
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12:09<jmw>they will all arrive together
12:09<doozer>kool thanks
12:10<tarzeau>are there still places without internet? i've only ever used the 1st cd, 10 years ago, nowadays pxe boot and preseeding d-i (actually 15 years now)
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12:11<doozer>I have a non-connected laptop.
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12:16<tarzeau>one of my packages disappeared from https://ftp-master.debian.org/deferred.html is it lost or just doesn't get shown because time remaining is negative?
12:16<tarzeau>it's also gone from qa page
12:18<jmw>tarzeau: normal processing is suspended while we are releasing
12:18<jmw>it won't be lost
12:18<tarzeau>great. can't wait for the freeze be over, 4 months.. is not too bad though, has been longer
12:19*tarzeau will also be interested in repology.org to catch up with versions
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12:25<drkng>Hello
12:25<drkng>okay
12:25<jmw>!ask
12:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:25<drkng>how about helping if understand how to use Linux
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12:26<annadane>!newcomer
12:26<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
12:26<drkng>I am new to Linux.. have installed P OS
12:26<annadane>!parrot
12:26<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:26<drkng>oh... thanks
12:26<annadane>parrot is not debian, sorry
12:26<drkng>I am still learning
12:27<drkng>what is HexChat anyways/
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12:27<jmw>it's what you're using to chat here
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12:28<drkng>okay... how does it work.. similar to whatsapp?.. its listed in Internet option in ma OS
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12:30<jmw>dpkg: tell drkng about hexchat
12:30<jmw>dpkg: tell drkng about irc
12:30<jmw>dpkg: tell drkng about irc tutorial
12:30<drkng>irc??
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12:31<annadane>drkng, consider not using parrot as a desktop, it's a very specialized kind of distribution
12:31<annadane>!whynotpentesting
12:31<dpkg>For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me
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12:31<drkng>oh!...
12:32<jmcnaught>drkng: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
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12:33<annadane>i should probably stop posting that, it comes across as pushy, but...
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12:33<drkng>okay.. I am getting it!
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12:34<drkng>mean while I couldn't install few software, for that I am yet gonna try for dual Boot with W7 OS
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12:36<annadane>ok fine i'm reading this thing that says parrot is more general-purpose than kali
12:36<annadane>serves me right for spamming dpkg factoids, i guess
12:36<annadane>use what makes you happy, i suppose
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12:37<drkng>I am loving POS though
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12:40<drkng>okay bye for thanks for everything!
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12:41<VisitorBen>Hi! Does anyone know the status and estimated time for buster release? I can't wait :)
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12:43<jmw>status: cd image production is in progress, 80% complete
12:43<jmw>not including subsequent testing
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12:44<jmw>testing of live images takes a long time
12:44<VisitorBen>All images are published at the same time right?
12:44<jmw>yes
12:45<jmw>along with the mirror pulse, announcements etc. so it all happens together at the end
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12:45<stingertor>I thought all the testing was done the days before. I did not realize this much testing and work was done on the actual day :).
12:46<VisitorBen>thx, I found the netinst amd64 cd image being tested today for release well hiden on debian.org, bur I prefer to wait for official release.
12:46<jmw>well arguably it's been going on for two years already
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12:46<jmw>this is just the endgame
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12:48<stingertor>it might be better and easier to this on the day before and then you can just flip the switch on the day of. Prevents newer people from asking is it ready yet over and over :).
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12:49<jmw>the trouble is we all have jobs during the week...
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12:49<stingertor>ahh that makes sense
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12:50<stingertor>but you are doing better than a certain other distro that gives a date and releases it weeks later without much update :)
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13:07<madsage>is buster release today?
13:07<madsage>whats the news
13:07<jmw>Madars: https://micronews.debian.org/
13:07<buster-release>status: cd image production is in progress, 80% complete
13:07<jmw>madsage: https://micronews.debian.org/
13:07<jmw>(sorry Madars)
13:07<madsage>thank you
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13:09<madsage>its ready when its ready. thanks for all the hard work
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13:12<amacater>Parties are starting :) It's pretty much there
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13:18<piA>tested amd64 and mips both working fine
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13:25<jmw>piA: please report to #debian-cd
13:25<jmw>that is where the coordination is happening
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13:58<Tobichenx3>Buster is very buggy.. when I execute commands like "reboot", "usermod" or something, then I receive the error "bash: xxxx not found"
13:59<codehelp>Tobichenx3: you need su -
13:59<codehelp>that's a known change in util-linux
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13:59<Tobichenx3>I'm in the root-user.
14:00<codehelp>so what is your $PATH set to? Did you login at the console as root or su to root?
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14:01<Tobichenx3>Login to root with su
14:01<codehelp>you need to login to root with su - or su --login to use the full option. su alone is not enough anymore.
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14:03<Tobichenx3>Oh okay, thank you :)
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14:03<wolfy>10 iso out.... Yay
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14:04<zapproger>WOOO!!!
14:04<jmw>no it isn't
14:04<wolfy>It is
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14:04<wolfy>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.buster_release/live-non-free/amd64/iso-hybrid/
14:05<jmw>that is the test image
14:05<coruja>mind the dot
14:05<zapproger>wolfy: Did you help make it?
14:05<jmw>it is not released yet
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14:05<codehelp>cdimages and live images are currently in testing
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14:06<wolfy>Can I compile my own iso with live-build ?
14:06<jmw>if you like
14:06<codehelp>wolfy: there are issues with Live & KDE - I'm preparing errata notes.
14:06<wolfy>It will compile from buster or stretch ?
14:07<jmw>that probably depends what options you pass it
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14:07<wolfy>live-build uses stable testing or unstable
14:07<DusXMT>wolfy: I have indeed built my own ISO with live-build :) Since I have a machine that only has a CD Drive and the live CDs are all DVDs only
14:07<wolfy>Not code name
14:07<wolfy>So confused
14:07<DusXMT>It's not too difficult, but takes some trial and error to get it working
14:07<zapproger>Quick question about the new ISOs. Which one do I use to be able to pick out the desktop environment I want?
14:08<zapproger>Cause I see your supposed to pre-select the desktop
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14:08<codehelp>zapproger: if you have network connection, the netiso will be fine. If you use the DVD, you will get them all. If you use the CD ones, you get that desktop.
14:08<wolfy>zapproger: It's depand on your system type and your tast
14:08<amacater>netinst - that will allow you to pick. By default, Gnome is selected on CD / DVD 1 but it's entirely up ot you
14:08<amacater>to you.
14:09<codehelp>(if you use the DVD, you will have them all available and can choose is what I should have said)
14:09<amacater>tasksel is the useful command here.
14:09<zapproger>Ok col
14:09<zapproger>cool*
14:09<codehelp>there is a specific stage in DI which offers tasksel
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14:09<wolfy>I'm building with --distribution stable
14:10<wolfy>Let's see which it pick-up
14:10<wolfy>Stretch or buster
14:10<jmw>stretch
14:10<amacater>Once the release is out of the way .. is there any scope for reducing the size of sid by removing all the old dated installers, I wonder
14:10<jmw>buster is not yet stable
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14:10<amacater>If you use code names, you don't have this problem :)
14:11<jmw>by the time it is you might as well just use the official live image, it will be published at the same time
14:11<wolfy>jmw: which time it will release ? I want gnome-core only
14:11<wolfy>For that I have to manually build iso
14:11<codehelp>wolfy: later on today, probably.
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14:11<jmw>wolfy: follow progress at https://micronews.debian.org/
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14:12<jmw>and watch out for the mail on debian-announce
14:12<wolfy>Thanks you guys coool
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14:14<wolfy>Anyways trust me I installed lots of lots of distros, every distro tested for one month... Conclusion was Debian is f** stable and fast then any linux distro ever made
14:14<wolfy>Love Debian teams
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14:15<zapproger>The micro news says debian-cd welcomes help. But I'm too afraid to ask them
14:15<zapproger>Like ask them what I can do
14:16<jmw>zapproger: in the topic of #debian-cd is a wiki page coordinating the tests. the live tests are the most useful at the moment
14:16<jmw>so you just claim one and carry out the test
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14:16<jmw>make sure to lock the wiki page by saying you're editing it first, and unlock it afterwads
14:16<jmw>they will not bite :)
14:17<wolfy>Cool thing is Debian testing is more stable then other distros stable versions LOL
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14:19<DusXMT>wolfy: Ehhh, that's debatable - eg. there's the issue with Xorg not working on certain laptops with intel-based graphics (although a fix will come in the next kernel update, in the meantime there's a workaround)
14:19<jmw>that's a question of compatibility, not stability
14:20<jmw>stability is when it's working today and continues working tomorrow
14:20<DusXMT>Good point
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14:20<wolfy>^^
14:20<zapproger>jmw: I see the page. Alright, cool! Thanks
14:21<annadane>people use the word 'stable' interchangeably anyway, even knowing the difference, so... *shrug*
14:21<DusXMT>I just find that Debian ages like wine, the stable distro keeps getting better as more and more bugs are ironed out over time (and I'd consider driver issues bugs)
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14:37<wolfy>DusXMT: I'm compiling because of Im using it on lots of machines and im not big fan of gnome games and etc. So compile it with only gnome core
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14:38<wolfy>Any ways I compiled still 9.9 in stable repo
14:39<annadane>GNOME is by far the most bloated tasksel desktop
14:40<jmw>I think the GNOME folks would prefer "feature-rich"
14:40<jmw>:)
14:41<wolfy>Yahh
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14:42<DusXMT>The problem is, if it's a part of the tasksel entry, and the user deletes some of the utilities they never plan on using, it'll result in a large portion of the desktop (if not all of it), which is marked as automatically installed, with nothing depending on it, and so will be deleted by apt autoremove
14:42<wolfy>Full gnome package needed for average users, and more experts finds their ways to get rid of unused stuff
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14:44*DusXMT did that back a decade ago, when he was still merely evaluating GNU/Linux as a platform, with Ubuntu
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14:48<zleap>hi
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14:51<amacater>zleap ?
14:51<amacater>!ask
14:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:55<annadane>oftc #debian is never this active :P long live release day, i suppose
14:55<zleap>annadane: hopefully not too long
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15:02<stingertor>annadane: use cinnamon. It works great with debian
15:03<stingertor>I think cinnamon is the best desktop
15:03<annadane>i like MATE
15:04<stingertor>oh okay
15:04<stingertor>I am glad debian is really compadible with different flavors
15:04<annadane>cinnamon has some cool features, i just haven't used it for extended periods
15:04<stingertor>I did not like Gnome
15:04<zleap>i am using lxde I don't really need lots of flashy features
15:04<annadane>mate is also really fast and nice on resources, it purrs like a kitten
15:04<zleap>so how will mate / cinnamon work with wayland or do they just use xorg ?
15:05<annadane>no idea
15:05<zleap>i think gnome3 is using wayland
15:05<stingertor>not sure jmw probably knows
15:05<jmcnaught>I like GNOME, it's visually simple, keyboard oriented, stuff just works.
15:06*jmw does not
15:06<stingertor>cinnamon is really stable. I think I had very few crashes. like what you can count on a hand all the time I used stretch
15:06<jhutchins>From what I've heard, a clean install of buster with gnome will use wayland, an upgrade will have both available.
15:06<zleap>ah ok
15:07<stingertor>and those crashes have not happened recently
15:07<jmcnaught>https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#wayland-by-default-on-gnome only GNOME defaults to Wayland, GNOME on Xorg is still available too for fresh installs and upgrades
15:07<stingertor>it was easy to reboot cinnamon without a system reboot. so it was not big issue
15:07<zleap>well talking of crashing running code club and having to use windows reminds me why I use Linux at home
15:08<jhutchins>stingertor: That's true of any desktop, you just restart the DM.
15:08<stingertor>yes
15:08<zleap>trying to shut down, it gives me a blank list on non reponsive applications it is trying to close before windows can shut down with a friendly message asking me to close running applicatons (as in none)
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15:08<stingertor>jhutchins: but cinnamon is much better than gnome :)
15:09<JohnSmith>bier = op
15:10<annadane>it *is* annoying how, at least on stretch, if you try multiple desktops it tends to overwrite things specific to certain desktops like notifications etc
15:10<zleap>not noticed that
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15:12<jhutchins>Depends on what you mix and what order you install them in.
15:12<stingertor>annadane: I used the iso with cinnamon and have stuck with cinnamon. Maybe not a great idea to try mixing it around
15:12<annadane>yep, but i sometimes wonder if i shouldn't set the debconf level to be a little less aggressive
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15:13<annadane>still, maybe it's god's way of saying you can basically make any desktop look like any other, stop window shopping
15:13<annadane>which i can get behind
15:15<zleap>this is what live distros are for surely you can try out different desktops
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16:14<tarzeau>i open www.debian.org on my iphone and it strikes me. is there a reason why "WHAT" is capital letters in About Debian? Why Can't it just be About, and What? And Download instead of "Getting Debian" ?
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16:15<slak3>som1 knows if already download buster ?
16:15<tarzeau>slak3: not yet
16:15<slak3>tks @tarzeau
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16:16<jmw>buster status: live images are still being tested; the cd team have been bitten badly by them before, so the test matrix is quite comprehensive
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16:19<ggjjkb>Debian jessie
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16:19<jmw>!jessie
16:19<dpkg>Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>.
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16:20<ggjjkb>install jessie
16:20<jmw>you really don't want to.
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16:21<annadane>debian 8 jessie is soon to become oldoldstable...
16:21<annadane>so, yeah, i wouldn't
16:21<doozer>!bo
16:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia
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16:24<zleap>:)
16:24<zleap>i think I have a cd with 1.2 somewhere
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16:25<annadane>i'm fairly happy with stretch, the only nice thing buster may do is get rid of that annoying buzzing sound in pavucontrol
16:26<Guest6830>Hi, I was about to do a fresh install, and I noticed that Debian 10 is coming out today? Is that correct?
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16:26<annadane>yep
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16:28<Guest6830>Awesome! When is the install iso expected to be on the site?
16:28<grove>Guest6830: Yes (although it might depend a little on your timezone)
16:30<lupine>interesting. after upgrading to buster, my sound has stopped working. I no longer see named outputs in the gnome settings -> sound dialogue, only "dummy output". alsamixer knows about the soundcard though
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16:30<lupine>pulse is running
16:31<lupine>pavucontrol shows no "hardware output devices"
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16:33<lupine>so... alsa has the sound card, but pulse does not, I guess
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16:39<lupine>that did the trick, thanks :)
16:39<jmw>I think we're going to see a lot of that
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16:40<Guest6830>Does Debian run well on btrfs, or is putting it on btrfs likely to lead to problems?
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16:40<annadane>browsing #debian-next can be fun even if you don't use testing/unstable because it's a good indication of what people are going to be dealing with when testing becomes stable
16:40<annadane>re: timidity and su -
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16:44<tarzeau>i came across https://nthykier.wordpress.com/2019/07/06/a-decline-in-the-use-of-hints-in-the-release-team/ and wanted to see what these hints look like, any pointers?
16:44<tarzeau>looking for the amount of binary packages for amd64 and buster, i found https://trends.debian.net, very nice, but any idea how many bin pkgs buster amd64 has?
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16:45<jmw>tarzeau: https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/
16:46<tarzeau>jmw: thanks, i remember them again...
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17:04<lupine>what's the best option for an arabic IME in debian? I've just got a bog-standard qwerty keyboard, so while I can install various arabic layouts with ease, that route is a bit confusing. I'd rather have a composition type thing like for japanese on a romaji keyboard
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17:08<lupine>I see fcitx but my worry is that it's quite old upstream
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17:18<jesopo>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=930815 yo has this been fixed or is it still going to be in the buster release
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17:19<jmw>known bug in buster
17:19<jesopo>anything i can do about it?
17:19<jesopo>instead of just using stretch
17:19<jesopo>:l
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17:20<jmw>if there's a fix available or one can be found, you might be able to persuade the kernel team to include it in a future point release
17:21<jmw>but the severity was not high enough to hold up the release for it
17:21<jesopo>makes mmc devices unbootable?
17:21<jesopo>well
17:21<jesopo>bootable past bios but yeah
17:22<jmw>I'm not saying it's right or wrong, only that it was filed two weeks ago with severity:important
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17:22<jmw>that is not a release-halting severity
17:25<jesopo>how do i keep track of the issue so i can see it being fixed in sid?
17:25<jmw>you can subscribe to the bug
17:25<jesopo>brill
17:25<jmw>there's a link on the page
17:27<jesopo>thnx
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17:41<jesopo>jmw: is that the one single place it's being talked about?
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17:46<jmw>well it's not being talked about at all at the moment
17:46<jmw>but it is the bug for that issue, yes
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18:14<amacater>!ask
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18:20<wannabe-mirror>i guess 10.0 will not be released before i fall asleep. been waiting for it the whole evening now. so... good night
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18:22<Guest6830>You can use Debian 10 Release Candidate 3
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18:39<annadane>aaaaaa
18:39<annadane>so close
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18:55<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Yes I'm running Raspbian
18:56<jmw>!raspbian
18:56<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/
18:56<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Sorry for the late reply, I was... away for a while
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18:56<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>But isn't Raspbian a port of Debian?
18:56<jmw>nope
18:57<zorvax>Hi all.
18:57<jmw>it's a derivative, but the debian project has no control over it
18:58<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Oh
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19:00<prasket>@jmw Similar to Ubuntu right? Derived from Debian but its own project.
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19:03<zapproger>prasket: Yes. But Ubuntu has changed and or added many things. Raspbian tends to try to stay as close to Debian as possible.
19:03<zorvax>lol buster :)
19:03<buster>:)
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19:05<Guest6833>ho ?
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19:08<laptop>when does debian freeze end and is buster released
19:09<jmw>soon
19:09<Banana>when it's ready
19:10<laptop>hmmm, why does ubuntu release their new version already, I thought they were both derived from the same code
19:11<Banana>Ubuntu uses testing and sid, not stable
19:11<jmw>and because they release every six months
19:11<laptop>i see
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19:12<laptop>I like stable but sometimes they are behind on browsers and clamav definitions
19:12<Banana>Ubuntu has a fixed release cycle, Debian releases when it's stable enough to be released
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19:13<annadane>you know, i didn't consider clamav suffering under stable
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19:13<annadane>browsers, whatever, just download from the upstream sites
19:13<Banana>Well, firefox-esr is the latest in long-term by Mozilla
19:13<Banana>chromium is also the latest stable
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19:14<jmw>clamav definitions go through the stable-updates express channel
19:14<laptop>ok
19:14<jmw>along with tzdata
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19:14<jmw>because it turns out nobody can keep a timezone for more than 6 months these days
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19:15<laptop>hmmm
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19:15<annadane>i guess i could use firefox-esr... i just haven't, because sometimes you do run into extensions that "stop working" under old firefox... whether that's actual stop working or "just display that way because we can", i don't know...
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19:16<emi>hi
19:16<jmw>!ask
19:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:16<laptop>you are right I installed the latest firefox due to the security fixes lots of them recently it makes a huge difference
19:16<emi>when launch debian 10 buster?
19:16<Banana>firefox-esr isn't old, it's just a LTS release
19:16<laptop>haha same question i just asked
19:16<jmw>emi: follow https://micronews.debian.org/
19:16<emi>thx ... i want a iso ..
19:16<emi>check you're url
19:16<jmw>don't worry, you're first in the queue
19:17<annadane>i mean, it's still old
19:17<annadane>firefox does move on
19:18<zorvax>good night all. :)
19:18<emi>Final image test results are being collated and the Debian CD team are preparing to sign them off - buster is very nearly with us! #releasingDebianBuster
19:18<emi>:)
19:18<laptop>when emi
19:18<Banana>annadane: Yes, old because it doesn't get new shiny stuff, but security updates :)
19:19<annadane>the typical answer for extensions that stop working is "download the last one that worked"
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19:19<annadane>no i know, but for extensions it can be dealbreaking
19:19<jmw>laptop: about two minutes ago when I wrote it
19:19<annadane>it could be fine, i haven't used firefox esr long enough to see how much it screws up my browsing
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19:20<emi>Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.9 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz (3,26GHz) • Memory: Physical: 30,6 GiB Total (28,7 GiB Free) Swap: 31,1 GiB Total (31,1 GiB Free) • Storage: 137,3 GB / 486,9 GB (349,6 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 30m 45s
19:20<emi>ups, sorry
19:21<laptop>that is fairly fast processor
19:21<Banana>lol
19:22<annadane>but for some extensions you just can't do that, download the latest one that worked, it highly depends on the extension and what version you need and what features etc
19:22<Arcade>Hexchat should be updated emi ;p
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19:22<Banana>annadane: Depends on the developer of the extension. And - sadly - sometimes on Mozilla. They love changing API things and so on :(
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19:23<annadane>so anyway that's kinda why i use firefox and not firefox esr
19:23<emi>works good @laptop, but have other computers more faster :P
19:23<jmw>buster-as-stable is now heading to mirrors and seeders near you
19:24<annadane>i'm not convinced firefox esr is worse or anything, i'd use it, i'm just not sure
19:24<laptop>wow how do you whisper in channel with green
19:24<emi>Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.9 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz (3,39GHz) • Memory: Physical: 30,6 GiB Total (28,7 GiB Free) Swap: 31,1 GiB Total (31,1 GiB Free) • Storage: 137,4 GB / 486,9 GB (349,6 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 34m 41s
19:24<annadane>you don't, you're probably looking at emi highlighting you
19:24<annadane>if you're on hexchat
19:24<emi>hollysh***
19:24<laptop>yes I am
19:24<laptop>that is a lot of memory for the hd
19:24<Banana>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/
19:24<laptop>for the ram
19:24<Banana>WoOoO!
19:25<laptop>thank you glad I was on the server and thank you everyone for making debian buster possible
19:25<annadane>i'm still waiting for my announcement email :D
19:25<annadane>anyway, happy buster all!
19:26*Banana EATS popcorn
19:26<ssgelm>is there a way to get rmadison to display release codenames instead of stable, testing, etc?
19:26<ssgelm>really annoying on a day like today where I don't know if the symlink has been updated yet
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19:26<ssgelm>(turns out it has :D )
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19:27<Banana>time to say happy buster day
19:27<zapproger>It's done?
19:27<emi>in Spain i waiting long time..
19:27<emi>all day ..
19:27<Banana>haha
19:27<emi>today is now 7
19:27<emi> xDD
19:27<Banana>zapproger: yes
19:27<Banana>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/
19:28<emi>this is RC not final ..
19:28<ssgelm>also as I noted it seems the stable symlink now points to buster!
19:28<Banana>emi: It is final
19:28<laptop>yes:)
19:28<annadane>i'd be perfectly fine staying on stretch until 10.1 but screw it :P
19:29<stingertor>yay its been pushed
19:29<stingertor>the iso are loaded
19:29<ssgelm>oh, the symlink isn't updated yet on deb.debian.org
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19:29<Banana>I bet some of us feels like a little child :D
19:29<jmw>things will take a while to sync
19:29<stingertor>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
19:29<stingertor>its up on that page
19:29<zapproger>Now are we waiting for the announcement ? Or is it official
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19:30<stingertor>well they are pushing now
19:30<Banana>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/10.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/
19:30<stingertor>https://micronews.debian.org/
19:30<grove>Now somebody needs to update the topic here
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19:30<jmw>those URLs are official, the announcement will filter through soon
19:30<Banana>www.debian.org needs also to be updated
19:30<stingertor>I suspect its not 100 percent push why the accouncement has not hit yet
19:30<stingertor>its being done right now
19:30<Banana>stingertor: different working teams
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19:31<sdk>Just follow https://micronews.debian.org/
19:32<stingertor>i just started downloading it
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19:34<stingertor>that iso is 2.3 gb :)
19:34<Banana>which one?
19:34<stingertor>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
19:34<stingertor>i use cinnamon
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19:35<stingertor>I want to load the updated iso to a usb before I uprade
19:35<stingertor>downloading now
19:35<stingertor>for precaution in case the update fails
19:36<Banana>Do you plan a upgrade?
19:36<stingertor>the usb can come in handy for unexpected breakage
19:36<stingertor>yea
19:36<Banana>You can simply do a inplace upgrade
19:36<stingertor>what you mean inplace uprade?
19:36<stingertor>on the usb?
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19:37<thekyle>You can just change the apt sources to point to the new buster repos and do a dist upgrade.
19:38<stingertor>oh i know I plan on dong that..I am talking having a usb for emergencies
19:38<jmw>having a rescue environment available is still useful if that machine is your only link to the world...
19:38<stingertor>usb has saved my data more than once
19:38<Banana>true
19:38<stingertor>:)
19:38<stingertor>even though I had a good backup program now
19:38<stingertor>have
19:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 564] by debhelper
19:39<stingertor>borgbackup its like best terminal backup in case anyone is wondering :)
19:40<stingertor>I have tried several so trust me
19:40<stingertor>lol
19:40<stingertor>most are awful
19:40<Banana>I just simpy cp /home
19:40<Banana>:D
19:40<stingertor>that can work too
19:40<Banana>*simply
19:41<stingertor>I did that one time on a crash with a usb cp -a /home
19:41<stingertor>got my data back :)
19:41<thekyle>They updated the stable page: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
19:41<Banana>But now I consider zipping /home first before I backup
19:41<stingertor>borgbackup does differential updates so that is the advantage
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19:42<Banana>"Debian 10.0 was released July 6th, 2019". It's 7th, but I don't know in what timezone your CD team lives :D
19:42<stingertor>it does differential updates correctly unlike rsync :P
19:43<stingertor>Banana: its still the 6th in the more important places :)
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19:43<Banana>more important? let's not say that
19:43<jmw>as the only true time is gmt (no, not utc), it is definitely still the 6th
19:44<jmw>now, give me back my empire
19:44<stingertor>well utc is about to hit midnight..my pc is utc :)
19:44<stingertor>Banana: they are pushing now its already up on part of the website
19:44<Banana>about to hit 3am here
19:44*grove is about to hit his bed
19:45<stingertor>don't hit it too hard
19:45<Banana>https://www.debian.org/index.en.html
19:45<Banana>New logo <3
19:45<Banana>I mean, the banner
19:45<Banana>Sorry
19:45<stingertor>CD images, jigdo templates and torrent seeds are available now (website links will take a while to update) #releasingDebianBuster
19:45<stingertor>those are up
19:46<Banana>Nice increase, about 59.000 packages not. Strech has about 51.000
19:46<Banana>-not
19:46<sdk>stingertor: the download button on the homepage's website shows Buster ;)
19:47<Banana>stingertor: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/
19:48<stingertor>nice
19:49<stingertor>I wonder does upgrading with apt upgrade and distr-upgrade get updated at the end?
19:49<piA>Welcome Buster!
19:49<stingertor>or is that being pushed now?
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19:49<Banana>stingertor: depends what mirrors you have in your sources.list
19:49*piA is wondering why my companies mirror is not listed as official mirror anymore
19:50<piA>thats new
19:50<stingertor>I have the onion mirrors
19:50<stingertor>I guess i could check
19:50<piA>mirror.wtnet.de is missing in mirror list
19:50<Banana>Then it might take some hours
19:51<Banana>piA: It is listed
19:51<piA>Banana yea the installer lists it but on the website it is / has been removed
19:51<Banana>No
19:51<Banana>It's listed
19:51<piA>https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
19:52<stingertor>something was updated today
19:52<piA>or are there only push mirrors ?
19:52<stingertor>I think it might be up
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19:52<debianaptded>is apt hosed?
19:52<Banana>piA: https://imgur.com/undefined
19:52<debianaptded>stretch urls all return buster packages and everything errors out
19:52<Banana>https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
19:52<stingertor>Banana: is it up. because they made an update today
19:53<Banana>piA: Sorry, imgur fails. https://imgur.com/FA60dho
19:53<stingertor>http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian/dists/buster/
19:53<piA>Banana: aight, appreciated
19:53<debianaptded>"stable" urls may return buster sure, but "stretch" shouldnt? it should remain there until it moves to archive?
19:53<annadane>The requested URL /debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server. :D
19:53<Banana>piA: I might push a debian-cd sync soon
19:54<annadane>i guess i'll dist-upgrade tomorrow
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19:55<stingertor>look security update are up: http://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion/debian-security/dists/buster/updates/
19:55<stingertor>I think the onion mirrors are loaded
19:56<Banana>piA: https://mirror.wtnet.de/debian-cd/
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19:56<piA>Banana: Our mirror is not a push mirror yet, so i have to wait for our source
19:57<Banana>It's listed as package mirror, not as CD mirror. Don't ask me why..
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19:57<piA>Banana: CDs are also synced every 3 hours
19:57<stingertor>rip terry
19:57<piA>so expect them to arrive in ~ 1 hour
19:57<Banana>piA: I can manually sync them up if the FTP master servers wouldn't be that slow at the moment o_O
19:58<piA>Banana: wondering why [..] o_Ô
19:58<debianaptded>and yay, "stretch" apt urls work again
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19:58<Banana>piA: ?
19:58<stingertor>Terry4222: don't come in here spamming :P
19:58<piA>Banana: guess we're not the only one syncing as of now :P
19:58<Banana>:D
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20:00<jmw>https://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/
20:00<stingertor>The Debian website is being updated to list buster as stable and link to the new images for downloading #releasingDebianBuster
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20:00<Banana>I should add a "last synced" status var or so..
20:00<Banana>*bar
20:00<piA>haha
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20:04<piA>glad tomorrow is sunday
20:04<stingertor>ladies and gents is here https://www.debian.org/
20:04<piA>re-setup ~ 20 boxes from scratch
20:04<zapproger>the announcement isnt working
20:05<piA>+1
20:05<stingertor>zapproger: they are pushing right now
20:05<stingertor>it should be up any minute or so
20:06<Banana>They're also humans... not machines
20:06<Banana>Give them some time
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20:19<chen>Réception de :1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 nmap-common all 7.70+dfsg1-6 [3 899 kB] Err :1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 nmap-common all 7.70+dfsg1-6 Le fichier a une taille incohérente (1866 != 3898612). Le miroir est peut-être en cours de mise à jour ? [IP : 130.89.148.12 80]
20:21<jmw>!english
20:21<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope).
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20:23<chen>seems nmap is not ready yet
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20:24<stingertor>Buster's release has been noticed by the CD distribution network https://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/ #releasingDebianBuster
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20:29<Banana>Good Night everyone
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20:30<stingertor>Banana: you are missing out the fun is just starting
20:30<thekyle>Press release is up: https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706
20:30<Banana>stingertor: Well, it's 3:30am here
20:31<stingertor>:)
20:31<TimWolla>Hacker News submission is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20372855
20:32<stingertor>zapproger: https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706
20:32<stingertor>its up
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20:33<Ron242>hello
20:33<stingertor>I can save you guys some trouble this is the best one Cinnamon 3.8, :)
20:33<stingertor>hi Ron242
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20:35<stingertor>I wonder how hard the servers get hit right about now :)
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20:37<Ron242>i'm looking at the debian facebook page with a stat that says about 1.6 Gbytes/s
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20:37<stingertor>nice
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20:37<stingertor>I am downloading an iso through tor and it seems pretty good
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20:38<stingertor>its more than halfway through
20:38<sakax>good job guys!!
20:39<sakax>happy buster day :)
20:39<stingertor>happy buster day
20:39<Ron242>all smiles around
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20:42<annadane>there's like one new thing i want in buster, otherwise it's not earth shattering to me personally, but i'm very happy for a new release :D
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20:46<Terry4222>To each their own stingerton. KDE preferred over here!
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20:49<stingertor>anyone else seeing this: https://zerobin.net/?78dad23bc5a908cb#m5hhqkb6mRcVP33InT1HuGwqE/miH8TziEHHtGQlyCE=
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20:56<piA>debootstrap --arch=amd64 buster /mnt/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian
20:56<piA>lets go for the first reinstalls :)
20:57<hashcat>good job and thank you.
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21:00<stingertor>I got those packages fixed I think
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21:03<Ron242>1.7 Gbytes/s now https://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/
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21:07<annadane>EMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL
21:07<annadane>:D
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21:24<LouWestin>Thanks for Debian 10!
21:24<ssgelm>out of curiosity since a friend asked: when do testing migrations resume?
21:25<jmw>in a the next 2-3 days, once we are absolutely sure we don't need to preserve the state of testing
21:25<jmw>and also when we've had a little rest...
21:25<ssgelm>jmw: makes sense. thanks!
21:26<ssgelm>yeah you all def deserve some rest :D
21:27<piA>wow
21:27<piA>out of curiosity
21:27<piA>got dm-mod renamed to dm_mod ?
21:30<piA>oh yea and dm-crypt went to dm_crypt
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21:34<stingertor>I got my usb update and the onion repo updates for pc are downloading nicely
21:35<piA>oh wow, i've found a serious bug
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21:35<piA>grub2 ignored net.ifnames=0
21:36<piA>so both init.d and systemd are expecting the networking device to be ensX
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21:36<piA>network wont come up when you use net.ifnames=0
21:36<piA>how did that pass rc3 o_Ô
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21:37<piA>nvm its my fault
21:37<piA>too late :<
21:38<annadane>when can we expect the hash signatures for image verification?
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21:38<annadane>i guess "soon"... i shouldn't be picky
21:39<annadane>just surprised it wasn't there
21:40<jmw>you mean https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/SHA512SUMS ?
21:41<annadane>no, the .sig files
21:41<annadane>or um
21:41<annadane>SHA256SUMS.sign, for example, sorry, not .sig
21:42<jmw>yeh ok I see it
21:42<jmw>might not get an answer until tomorrow now
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21:43<annadane>i'm upgrading anyway but i do want fallback
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21:56<annadane>i see them now :)
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21:57<jmw>they were there all along ¬_¬
21:57<jmw>ahem
21:57<jmw>definitely
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22:09<plasma41>I was under the impression that Buster wouldn't release until all the Release Critical bugs (the green line in https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/) were fixed.
22:10<rant>you and me both
22:11<rant>I am not altogether pleased with this, but I have been running and installing buster for months now.. so it makes no real difference to me if its released officially or not other than its a strage way of doing things that could undermine tradition
22:12<rant>if nothing else it leaves people like me who have been using and supporting debian for almost 2 decades confused
22:12<rant>are we or are we not using a WIR release schedule?!
22:14<rant>because really it just makes a joke of our whole release schedule.. either you do time based and to it timely, or you do quality based, and release WIR.. if you just take two years and release with RC bugs still out there.. thats just being slow AND stupid
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22:24<luizromario_>I've just finished running apt update. Then I ran apt full-update, to finish the update process, but it seems to be downloading everything all over again
22:25<luizromario_>Is that okay?
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22:26<jj>hlo
22:26<stingertor>i don't think you need full-update
22:26<stingertor>it probably does same thing
22:26<stingertor>their is full-upgrade
22:26<jj>hlo anyone there
22:26<stingertor>never heard of full-update
22:27<sqrt{not}>I don't think there is any apt full-update
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22:27<sqrt{not}>i get: E: Invalid operation full-update
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22:46<themill>!apt suite changed
22:46<dpkg>If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, apt complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
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22:53<kpcyrd>one of my system has issues updating: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1090540
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22:54<themill>kpcyrd: have you run "apt upgrade" as a first step?
22:55<kpcyrd>themill: that's from both `aptitude upgrade` and `aptitude safe-upgrade`
22:55<kpcyrd>I _think_ this is due to weechat from backports
22:55<themill>Don't try using aptitude for big upgrades.
22:57<kpcyrd>oh, `apt upgrade` worked
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22:58<themill>yeah, aptitude gets itself tangled trying to be too clever
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22:58<kpcyrd>this is going to take a while to finish, but I think the problem is solved. thanks!
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23:33<riko>hi
23:33<pdo_fn14>I can't install sysvinit-core package in buster? Why?
23:34<riko>list pls
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23:36<luizromario_>stingertor: I was just following the instructions from here: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
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23:40<riko>* judd has quit (Remote host closed the connection) whyy?
23:41<blast007>it was only gone for 20 seconds
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23:43<riko>The Social-Engineer Toolkit (SET) - what this skr ???? help
23:47<blast007>are you running parrot linux?
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