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00:05<coruja>congrats to the buster release and thanks to all who made it happen :)
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00:07<annadane>happy buster you guys :)
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00:09<rant>there is probably few if any people in here who had anything to do with that.
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02:56<guruprasad>I dist-upgraded my server from Stretch to Buster a short while ago. After the upgrade and a reboot, the 'networking.service' service fails with an error 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists'. The /etc/network/interfaces looks like this - https://dpaste.de/0Xqx. What could be the issue and how to fix it?
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03:05<jmcnaught>guruprasad: possibly this https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names
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03:06<Shooter>hi
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03:08<tfg3>http://i.imgur.com/v28ag60.jpg
03:08<guruprasad>jmcnaught, I am not sure that is the issue. But will check it out
03:08<guruprasad>Thanks!
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03:09<tfg3>How can I "fix" it?
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03:09<tfg3>Heres my other one: https://i.imgur.com/hhs5Jbv.png
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03:13<themill>tfg3: please use paste.debian.net
03:13<tfg3>ok
03:13<tfg3>are the others blocked?
03:14<themill>and explain what "it" is
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03:29<tfg3>http://paste.debian.net/1090566/
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03:31<themill>yeah, that's not actually helping at all
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03:34<themill>dpkg, ask
03:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:34<themill>tfg3: ^^
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04:10<kojibka>I've got : 'Failed to refresh cache: W: Repository "http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease" has changed field value "Version" from "" to "10.0". My /etc/apt/sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/1090570/ . How to do proper upgrade?
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04:12<DusXMT>kojibka: invoke the upgrade with --allow-releaseinfo-change
04:12<DusXMT>*the update
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04:13<kojibka>DusXMT: like that?: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --allow-releaseinfo-change
04:14<DusXMT>kojibka: no, to the first command
04:14<DusXMT>I accidentally wrote upgrade instead of update
04:14<kojibka>$ sudo apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change
04:14<kojibka>Right?
04:14<DusXMT>Indeed
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04:15<DusXMT>Also, there's a new all-encompassing apt utility that has a nicer user interface :) (apt-* tools still exist for compatibility with existing scripts)
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04:16<kojibka>Like that: sudo apt update --allow-releaseinfo-change
04:16<kojibka>?
04:16<DusXMT>kojibka: Either of the two variants, indeed
04:16<DusXMT>And after it's done: Welcome back to Debian Stable :)
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04:17<kojibka>I just got confused. My repositories are clearly named with 'buster' release. And it is refused to update/upgrade anyway.
04:17<ttaat>is debian buster stable now?
04:17<DusXMT>kojibka: that's because buster transitioned from testing to stable :)
04:18<DusXMT>ttaat: yup
04:18<kojibka>ttaat: see /topic info about it
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04:19<ttaat>i think i did a mistake, i was trying to switch back from rt kernel and i've uncheck on synaptic package manager an old version of a kernel
04:20<ttaat>should i add it back?
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04:23<ttaat>i've removed 4.19.0-4 but i'm now on 4.19.0-5
04:27<kojibka> DusXMT: It seems like Field 'buster' has to be changed in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:27<kojibka>?
04:27<kojibka>http://paste.debian.net/1090573/
04:27<kojibka>all those fields values has been replaced
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04:36<kojibka>Does 'N: Repository "http://deb.... changed it's "Version" field value from "" to "10.0" - states of Error or just a
04:36<kojibka>warning
04:36<kojibka>?
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04:39<rant>!apt suite changed
04:39<dpkg>If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
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05:20<jmw>rant: the release managers have to make a pragmatic compromise between releasing without bugs, and never releasing at all
05:20<BlackBishop> No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive.
05:20<jmw>so we designate bugs as "can-defer" etc
05:20<BlackBishop>If you're installing from a mirror, you can work around this problem by choosing to install a different version of Debian. The install will probably fail to work if you continue without kernel modules.
05:20<jmw>and fix them during stable if possible
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05:20<BlackBishop>after I boot off the iso, select the language, the location, keyboard, detects the network, configures it, I configure the hostname, I choose the mirror (ftp.us.debian.org), skip the proxy, it's downloading stuff off the mirror
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05:20<rant>jmw: news to me.. I was still of the mind that it was either fix it or remove it
05:21<BlackBishop>Trying to install buster on an dell 1950 (esxi 5.5) using the netinst iso from the download page
05:21<rant>or downgrade it
05:21<rant>to not rc
05:21<jmw>downgrading to not-rc would be untrue to the bug
05:21<tfg3>Need to get 1,415 kB of archives.
05:21<tfg3>After this operation, 4,206 kB of additional disk space will be used.
05:21<tfg3>Why is it so big?
05:21<jmw>we just decide that particular one is not worth holding up the whole release for
05:22<tfg3>Doesn't it have compression?
05:22<mlugg>tfg3: Yes, that's the reason the archives are a third the size of the space that will be used
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05:33<Omochao>hey, I accidentally started the dist-upgrade in a plain SSH session (no screen) and need to interrupt the connection. It's currently sitting at a config file dicerged prompt. Is it safe to interrupt the whole thing somehow and if so, how?
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05:35<jmw>Omochao: you could get the shell and kill apt from in it, but I wouldn't advise it at all
05:35<Omochao>alternatively, a way to move the process into a screen would be great, but I don't have reptyr installed and the dpkg frontend lock is locked
05:35<jmw>you will leave things in a very bad state
05:36<rudi_s>Omochao: Copy the binary?
05:36<Omochao>rudi_s: from where?
05:36<rudi_s>But I'm not sure how well reptyr works with multiple child processes.
05:36<rudi_s>Omochao: From the local system? Or just use apt download reptry, unpack it and run it from there.
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05:40<Omochao>ok, I have the reptyr .deb, what do I do with it?
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05:40<rudi_s>Omochao: dpkg -x foo.deb, e.g. in /var/tmp
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05:47<jelly>Omochao, just kill the process, open screen and run dpkg --configure --pending and rerun your command. Be mindful of apt wanting to remove some packages you might want or need.
05:49<jelly>it's not _that_ bad for a mere patching run. If you're doing a release upgrade however things can get messy.
05:49<Omochao>thanks, that sounds easier than figuring out how to get reptyr to play nice with sudo
05:49<Omochao>I am actually, this is the buster upgrade
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05:53<Omochao>real quick, I'd like to move to the other SSH client, do I need to do anything other than `bg` before closing the SSH session if I want the process to be recoverable from the other side?
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05:56<rudi_s>Omochao: Once you disconnect the other session will be gone, bg or no bg.
05:56<rudi_s>s/other//
05:56<rudi_s>It's only recoverable if it's running in screen/tmux (or a pure background session with nohup, which does not really apply here).
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06:03<Omochao>so, the underlying problem that caused me to want to switch SSH sessions in the first place has been solved, but now I'm having trouble getting the process to the foreground again
06:03<Omochao>`jobs` has no output, `fg` says no current job. I suspect reptyr may have done something to it
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06:04<Omochao>the process is still running according to htop
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06:05<jmw>try reptyring the pid
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06:10<tfg3>Why can't I run more than one dpkg on the same server
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06:10<rant>because it would corrupt the database and there is a lockfile
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06:11<tfg3>Why does it use 100% of the CPU when it installs?
06:11<tfg3>BTW, why doesn't ext3 compress
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06:11<rant>because your cpu is not very good at handling compression, or your disk IO is really slow..
06:12<tfg3>Must be Amazon's fault then
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06:12<rant>ok, you're grammar is too good for you to be a 4 year old, so you must be a troll
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Time to make sure my backups are in order before I upgrade my whole farm
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06:14<tfg3>What is a troll to you?
06:14<rant>EmleyMoor: have the cows come home?
06:15<Omochao>jmw: doesn't work because it has subprocesses. With -T doesn't work because it was started directly from SSH
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06:16<tfg3>https://www.howtogeek.com/133264/how-to-use-ntfs-compression-and-when-you-might-want-to/
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06:16<tfg3>"NTFS compression makes files smaller on your hard drive. You can access these files normally – no need for cumbersome zipping and unzipping. Like with all file compression systems, your computer must use additional CPU time for decompression when it opens the file."
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06:18<EmleyMoor>What's the next release called?
06:19<EmleyMoor>Ah, bullsefe
06:19<EmleyMoor>bullseye*
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06:28<mojikun>hey whats the difference between the security updates (stretch/updates from security repo) and the plain "updates" (stretch-updates from main repo)?
06:28<themill>!stretch-updates
06:28<dpkg>stretch-updates is probably a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates.
06:29<mojikun>do the plain updates contain only new features and the security ones , security bugfixes and critical bug changes?
06:29<mojikun>i have seen a debian workflow diagram, it isn't very clear, those two seem to be run in parallel
06:30<mojikun>oh so those are whatever will go in the next point releases
06:30<tfg3>Why is my upgrade only 17MB
06:30<mojikun>themill, do you know whats the nature of those updates?
06:30<mojikun>new features, or backports etc?
06:30<themill>throughout stretch, it was mainly tzdata changes
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06:31<mojikun>oh the little things then that are not considered security fixes
06:31<themill>yes
06:31<tfg3>After this operation, 23.6 kB of additional disk space will be used.
06:31<tfg3>Need to get 17.3 MB of archives.
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06:32<tfg3>Why are the archives bigger than the disk space used
06:32<mojikun>also besides the main repository that comes enabled by default. am i advised to enable only the security fixes repository, or the plain updates one as well?
06:32<mojikun>whats the official recommendation/support for this?
06:32<themill>tfg3: you're replacing files that already exist on disk
06:32<themill>!stretch sources.list
06:32<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
06:32<mojikun>(for example i have been told the backports repository is semi-unsupported)
06:32<themill>mojikun: ^^
06:33<themill>the expectation is that you have stretch, stretch-updates and stretch/updates
06:33<grove>mojikun: Stable releases seldom get new features, stretch-updates are fixes to serious (but not security related) problems in packages
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06:34<tfg3>Yeah, I figured it out.
06:34<mojikun>i see, so both are pretty much necessary
06:34<tfg3>But I expect at least 1100MB for an update
06:35<tfg3>Is this because I don't have a DE?
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06:36<mojikun>themill, on the same note, i was thinking of using either testing or sid to get newer package versions. but i have been told one of those doesn't have a security repository available, or an update repository?
06:36<mojikun>and one wasn't advised
06:36<mojikun>(i think sid is the one that gets security updates directly)
06:36<themill>no, please don't mix releases. It always ends in tears.
06:37<mojikun>themill, i won't mix them. i plan to use sid or testing permanently as the whole system
06:37<mojikun>(for desktop use)
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06:37<themill>I wouldn't go anywhere near either for the next month. You're not going to get newer packages and you are going to get buggy ones.
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06:38<mojikun>themill, yes i figure. that was more of a question for the long term
06:38<mojikun>after the whole freeze thing is over
06:38<themill>long term, yes, they do not get security support from the security team
06:38<mojikun>sid doesn't as well?
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06:40<themill>!sid security
06:40<dpkg>There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
06:42<mojikun>!testing security
06:42<dpkg>Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty).
06:42<mojikun>oh so the security team sends security bugfixes directly to testing?
06:43<mojikun>thats good
06:45<mojikun>!moving target
06:45<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
06:46<tfg3>Where do I put the fonts? https://i.imgur.com/qtHj9ju.png
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08:02<burrows>are there any official docs to switch back to testing/bullseye?
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08:06<burrows>is it safe to follow this guide but replace "buster" with "bullseye" instead? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster
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08:09<peroyvib>I ran an upgrade (stable) on a Dell optiplex 990 and now my screen resolution is very low.
08:09<peroyvib>Anyone know how to fix it?
08:10<petn-randall>peroyvib: Which stable? buster released a day ago.
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08:14<peroyvib>Yes that's why the upgrade.
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08:15<peroyvib>I did upgrade after the new release
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08:17<petn-randall>peroyvib: Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
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08:18<Tobichenx3>Was phpmyadmin removed from the repos?
08:18<peroyvib>Did not check.
08:18<peroyvib>I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
08:18<petn-randall>,v phpmyadmin
08:18<judd>Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u6; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; sid: 4:4.6.6-5
08:19<Tobichenx3>...
08:19<petn-randall>Tobichenx3: It's still available in stretch, it didn't make it into buster because it didn't meet the release criteria.
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08:20<petn-randall>peroyvib: Are you using gnome and gdm, or other display manager and desktop environment?
08:21<Q-FUNK>howdy! now that Wayland is the default session type for gnome in Buster, ssh complains that xauth data is missing whenever enabling X forwarding. Any known solution?
08:21<peroyvib>I have several installed, the ones I've tried has the same fault. XFCE and GNOME
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08:22<petn-randall>Q-FUNK: I don't think X forwarding is supported, you'll have to set up some type of remote desktop.
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08:22<petn-randall>peroyvib: I'm asking because the default for gnome is wayland, which is relatively new, and for xfce it's still X11.
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08:23<peroyvib>petn-randall: So you do not think it is the display driver?
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08:24<petn-randall>peroyvib: I'm saying that depending on the DE you're using you'll end up having different drivers doing different things.
08:25<peroyvib>petn-randall: mhm, I can see if openbox or LXDE behaves any different than xfce and gnome
08:26<jmcnaught>Q-FUNK: you can still select GNOME on Xorg on the gdm login screen instead of wayland
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08:33<peroyvib>petn-randall: no difference there
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08:46<Battaglin>peroyvib: fetch on git
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08:46<Battaglin>oop sry
08:47<Battaglin>petn-randall: fetch on git
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08:50<petn-randall>Battaglin: I don't know what you're referring to.
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08:51<Battaglin>phpmyadmin
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08:53<blast007>Battaglin: the one who was asking about it already left
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08:53<Battaglin>grr quitters :D
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08:56<johnny>Anyone know any site to get udem courses freebsd3
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09:08<benoit>Hello. Just installed Debian 10 and could appreciate some help. Am I at the right place?
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09:10<blast007>yeah
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09:11<Q-FUNK>actually, lanching gnome-on-X as a session instead of Wayland doesn't fix it. X forwarding is still broken on Buster.
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09:12<benoit>So I installed the amd64 netinst, dual boot W10, with Cinnamon and KDE. Both OS are launching, but Debian only starts without graphical interface. I can log and launch Cinnamon with "startx", but I would expect it to start on graphical mode with some control to allow me to choose between Cinnamon and KDE. Could you advise?
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09:12<petn-randall>Q-FUNK: You might need to deactivate a few security settings to allow it. Like anabling X11 forwarding.
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09:13<Q-FUNK>petn-randall: re-read what I wrote.
09:14<petn-randall>Q-FUNK: `ssh -X` is not the only thing you need to do. You need to fiddle with xauth, too. My memory is hazy, `man xauth` might have some info on it.
09:15<Q-FUNK>petn-randall: that's all in .ssh/config already. it still complains about missing xauth data. was working fine in Stretch.
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09:15<petn-randall>Q-FUNK: Can you show you settings via https://paste.debian.net?
09:16<guruprasad>When installing Debian via debootstrap on a remote server from its rescue mode, how do I find the correct network device name to use in the configuration? Since there is no access via a KVM switch, I have to get it right in one shot.
09:16<petn-randall>s/you/your/
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09:17<guruprasad>The persistent naming scheme is confusing and even after following the documentation in https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names, the server came up without a working network.
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09:19<Q-FUNK> ForwardAgent yes
09:19<Q-FUNK> ForwardX11 yes
09:19<Q-FUNK> ForwardX11Trusted yes
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09:20<blast007>benoit: I've not installed multiple desktop environments in quite some time, so I'm not sure of any caveats there. But stick around and maybe someone else will have some advice.
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09:25<jmcnaught>benoit: what does 'systemctl status display-manager' show? You can use https://termbin.com/ to show us the output (ex: 'systemctl status dispay-manager | nc termbin.com 9999'
09:26<jmcnaught>guruprasad: in this rescue shell that you're in, does 'ip a' tell you an interface name?
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09:28<benoit>jmcnaught, https://termbin.com/b8uc (Note that I'm using a console on Cinnamon after startx command to get this result, not directly after boot on cli)
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09:28<petn-randall>Q-FUNK: Right, you still need to ... bah.
09:29<guruprasad>jmcnaught, the rescue image is based on Jessie and it shows 'eth0' :(
09:29<jmcnaught>guruprasad: does 'udevadm test-builtin net_id /sys/class/net/eth0 2>/dev/null' show you anything?
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09:29<guruprasad>jmcnaught, it shows 'ID_NET_NAME_PATH=enp4s0'
09:30<petn-randall>guruprasad: If you boot, and the network fails to come up, you can still check /var/log/kern.log for the interface name.
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09:30<jmcnaught>benoit: can you make another paste of 'journalctl -u sddm' (as root)?
09:31<jmcnaught>guruprasad: and did you already try using enp4s0 as the interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
09:32<guruprasad>jmcnaught, I had updated all the configuration in /etc* to enp4s0. I also removed 70-persistent-net.rules from the udev rules.d directory and updated the initramfs image
09:32<guruprasad>petn-randall, thanks! That is very helpful indeed!
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09:34<benoit>jmcnaught : done : https://termbin.com/b3lu
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09:36<jmcnaught>benoit: according to that and the systemctl status paste sddm should be running. When you logged in were you on tty1? Did you try switching to other ttys with Alt+F2, Alt+F3 etc?
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09:38<benoit>jmcnaught, I don't remember but I think so. I try other ttys with Alt+FX with success. Once I launched cinnamon (startx), if i switch to tty2, everything is OK. But if I switch back to tty1, I come back on Cinnamon but with some horrible color artefacts that make it fully unusable
09:39<guruprasad>jmcnaught, petn-randall, I checked kern.log and it looks like it is still using 'eth0' :-S Logs grepped for 'eth0' here - http://paste.debian.net/1090618/. There are some additional interfaces veth* created for docker networks.
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09:40<benoit>jmcnaught, should I make the same systemctl status and journalctl paste before typing startx, for you to have the data at boot time, before the startx command?
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09:42<jmcnaught>benoit: I don't think that would provide any new information. I don't use sddm, but perhaps it has its own logs in /var/log? Your 'systemctl status display-manager' paste clearly shows that /usr/bin/sddm is running as process 598.
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09:43<benoit>jmcnaught, /var/log/sddm.log exists but is empty
09:45<benoit>jmcnaught, should I uninstall sddm (that I did not choose, it came with the debian install) and install KDM instead?
09:45<jmcnaught>benoit: I'm not a KDE user but I was under the impression that KDE had switched from KDM to sddm. You could certainly try, or perhaps try lightdm.
09:46<benoit>jmcnaught, thx. I'll try a few things and will come back if nothing works
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09:55<oo_miguel>ah just ordered a samsung printer (sl-m2026) and forgot to check if it will run under my debian. how can I find it out? is "cups support" identical with "linux printer support"? Did not run a printer for a long time and never understood this well. will be glad for help/reading suggethins.
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09:57<jmcnaught>oo_miguel: I just looked that model up and the specifications list Debian as a compatible OS: https://www8.hp.com/uk/en/samsung-printers/product-details/product-specifications/17309769
09:57<oo_miguel>will I be able to share it with my other windows and linux machines?
09:57<oo_miguel>or is this quesion identical with the former :) ?
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10:08<jmcnaught>oo_miguel: I think if the printer works you should be able to share it. That might require Samba for sharing with Windows, I don't know.
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10:14<guruprasad>Renaming the configuration back to 'eth0' works and that is confirmed by the logs in kern.log as well. I am not sure what is missing here.
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10:17<oo_miguel>jmcnaught: allright. I plan using samba anyway. tanks
10:17<oo_miguel>thanks
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10:20<BlackBishop>so .. anybody any idesa ? " No kernel modules were found. " using the netinst iso in a esxi 5.5 vm
10:22<petn-randall>BlackBishop: Try describing your problem, what you expect, and what you got instead. If you want to provide logs, you can paste them at https://paste.debian.net. That single line is not helpful at understanding what issue you are facing.
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10:28<BlackBishop>after I boot off the iso, select the language, the location, keyboard, detects the network, configures it, I configure the hostname, I choose the mirror (ftp.us.debian.org), skip the proxy, it's downloading stuff off the mirror
10:28<BlackBishop>I get this "text window"
10:28<BlackBishop>No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive.
10:28<BlackBishop>"If you're installing from a mirror, you can work around this problem by choosing to install a different version of Debian. The install will probably fail to work if you continue without kernel modules."
10:28<BlackBishop>I'm expecting it to show the disks to be partitioned I guess ?!
10:29<BlackBishop>I'm using the amd64 netinst iso available on https://www.debian.org/distrib/ trying to install buster on a vm on a esxi 5.5
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10:29<carla>hey
10:29<carla>please answer me
10:30<carla>i would like to have a reply
10:30<carla>i'm french
10:30<blast007>carla: do you have a question?
10:31<carla>i don't know how can i use steam on debian
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10:31<carla>i need help to use it and play
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10:32<jmcnaught>carla: there are french instructions on the wiki here: https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Steam
10:32<carla>please how can i use stea on debian
10:32<carla>i would like to know it
10:33<carla>oh thank you so much !!!
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10:36<carla>linux is so hard to understand...
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10:38<petn-randall>BlackBishop: I don't quite understand at which step it requires kernel modules. This is still in the installer, before the partitioning step?
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10:40<carla>i don't understand you...
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10:40<carla>you speak about stranes things
10:41<carla>stranges*
10:41<BlackBishop>petn-randall: yep.
10:41<BlackBishop>I think it can't find any disk for some reason
10:42<carla>sorry i have to eat a chocolat cake for my birthday
10:42<carla>see you soon
10:45<blast007>carla: there are hundreds of people in this room, so there's going to be other conversations going on
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10:51<Nirgal>Hi there. I just updated to Buster. I run xfce. Applications using qt (kmail, qbitorrent) don't show on the system tray anymore. Any idea how to fix that?
10:53<benoit>Hello! I'm back. Still need help :). So : fresh install of debian 10, dual boot windows 10. Grub OK, Win 10 OK. Debian launch only in command line. During install I have chosen both KDE and Cinnamon. I would expect debian to start on graphical mode, with a screen allowing me to chose between both DE. Once logged on TTY1, I can start Cinnamon with 'startx' command.
10:54<benoit>But it warns me that it's using software render as result of an issue with my graphic card (AMD RADEON R9 290, HAWAII). I did not report this a few minutes ago beacause I wanted to fix an issue after the other, but it might be related...
10:55<benoit>What we already know (thanks to jmcnaught) : systemctl status shows than sddm is launched.
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10:56<benoit>I wonder two things : startx launchs cinnamon on xorg right? May be I have a Wayland issue (sddm should use Wayland on buster?)? This issue coule be related to my graphical card issue?
10:57<benoit>Please advise if you can help me :)
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11:01<Nirgal>benoit: I've been using a GUI frontend to log in, where you can choose between cinamon/kde/...
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11:02<blast007>benoit: tried installing the 'firmware-amd-graphics' package and rebooting? needs non-free repo enabled.
11:02<benoit>Nirgal, Yes sure, it's what i'm expecting to have also, but I don't (on a fresh new install). This GUI frontend is supposed to be sddm with KDE, which is actually running, but only TTY1 shows no GUI.
11:02<blast007>!non-free sources
11:02<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
11:04<benoit>OK i'll do that and will come back. I checked that the open-source drivers have been installed, and read that it should be OK with them, but it's worth trying anyway
11:07<blast007>the open drivers use the non-free firmware
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11:08<benoit>non-free repos added, 'firmware-amd-graphics' installed, will reboot and come back to report. Thanks
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11:09<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>I cannot find a Raspbian-related channel on here.
11:09<BlackBishop>petn-randall: upgraded virtual machine hardware version to 10 and now it seems to show up :|
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11:10<benoit>Hi, I'm back. No change :(. Only CLI, having Cinnamon with software rendering with 'startx'
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11:11<petn-randall>Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3: #raspbian and #raspberrypi on freenode (this is OFTC).
11:12<wolfy>"lb clean --binary" then "lb build" doesn't create iso
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11:14<Nirgal>benoit: Here I'm using lightdm, I think it's the component that make me choose between the different GUIs.
11:17<benoit>Nirgal, yes I sure can try to uninstall sddm (default display manager of KDE) and try lightdm. It's more a workaround than a solution, but if I have to, I will :). Or I will even reinstall buster with a single DE. But for now I'm still hoping to solve the issue :)
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11:26<carla>i'm back
11:26<carla>you missed me
11:26<carla>i know that
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11:34<haydar>hey
11:34<haydar>how are you
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11:35<benoit>brb, trying a last thing
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11:39<benoit>I'm back and still need help :$
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11:47<benoit>So here is the new status! As advised by Nirgal, I installed lightdm, made it the default dm and rebooted. It starts on lightDM GUI, but no choice between Cinnamon and KDE, and Cinnamon is sitll using software rendering...
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12:01<benoit>I'm running out of idea. I thing I will fully reinstall the system with only KDE. But maybe not Today ! Any better idea?
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12:04<blast007>benoit: you could try the live DVDs with firmware (writing them to a flash drive or a CD) to see if it works on different desktop environments without redoing the full install http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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12:06<blast007>flash drive or DVD*
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12:10<ajds9aas9da>what is the best way to install latest chromium on debian?
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12:12<benoit>blast007, thx for this advise. I might consider doing so
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12:13<annadane>,v chromium
12:13<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; bullseye: 73.0.3683.75-1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1
12:13<annadane>ajds9aas9da, just download it from their website, i suppose
12:14<annadane>one isn't restricted to the package manager in debian
12:15<annadane>it may eventually be backported, i thought it was in stretch-backports at some point? so it may get into buster-backports
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12:16<ajds9aas9da>i think debians ubuntu package is hardware acceleration enabled, i'm not sure but when you get chrome from google that would be hw accel disabled
12:16<ajds9aas9da>*chromium package
12:16<Pitxyoki>ajds9aas9da: I'd say just add the sid repo to your sources.list and then apt-get -t sid install chromium
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12:16<jmcnaught>no!
12:16<annadane>probably a bad idea
12:16<annadane>!frankendebian
12:16<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
12:16<jmcnaught>Pitxyoki: ajds9aas9da: don't mix Debian stable with unstable, it breaks things
12:17<Pitxyoki>I didn't let me say that if you see many dependencies coming with that, though, reconsider that.
12:17<Pitxyoki>*You didn't
12:17<iobound>hello, I am considering upgrading an armel QNAP headless NAS machine from debian9 to debian10. In the release notes 5.1.5 about 70-persistent-net.rules it says to run udevadm test-builtin net_id /sys/class/net/eth0 to find the new name for eth0, but there is no "ID_NET_NAME_PATH" in the output
12:18<iobound>is it necessary to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.ruleson a QNAP headless armel machine? or can I keep it to use eth0 which has always worked so far? i'd like to avoid surprises losing network access since the machine is headless
12:19<blast007>Pitxyoki: still not a good idea because even if it doesn't break anything now, it may later
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12:20<Pitxyoki>Alright, don't do it then. :-)
12:21<bonjurkes>hello all, I have a VPS on LXC and my kernel image is 3.10 (for some reason), Im having some problems with running docker. Can I just install 4.9 kernel image using apt? Or do I have limited options due LXC ? I'm on Debian 9.9
12:22<jmcnaught>bonjurkes: a LXC container is limited to using the kernel of the host operating system
12:23<bonjurkes>So what you say is I am stuck because my host is 3.10? Thanks jmcnaught
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12:27<annadane>so Unattended Upgrades... does it by default tell you what services need to be restarted after an upgrade or whether you require a reboot, or do you manually have to check your /var/mail for a list of updated packages?
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12:39<prasket>anyone else having issues with Buster and not being able to login after clean install? I am on the login screen but the mouse cursor is on the bottom right frozen and login prompt never shows up. I tried installing with Live usb (Gnome) and net-install (choose Gnome only) same issue. I saw some chatter above about video cards, I am running a with an NVidia GeForce GTX 970 and have not had any issues with it in past 2 years.
12:41<enyc>prasket: can you ctrl+alt+f1 and get to console?
12:41<enyc>prasket: I would of course be looking at nouveau.noaccel=1 and nomodeset and other such parameters on kernel, then installing suitable nvidia- driver package etc etc
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12:43<prasket>@enyc let me try that, had not yet.
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12:45<prasket>@enyc ctrl+alt+f1 seems to do nothing
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13:17<bonjurkes>One more question, Docker says 'Your kernel does not support cgroup memory limit' and docker says: Error starting daemon: Devices cgroup isn't mounted . Is there an option to fix this cgroup issue? I tried editing grub config to enable cgroup memory limit but no luck. But I can see: lxcfs on /sys/fs/cgroup/memory type fuse.lxcfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other) . When I grep for cgroup
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13:21<sqrt{not}>prasket: if you installed gnome, try instead ctrl-alt-f3 to look for a text console ?
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13:24<andrea15>hi at all, how can I upgrade from testing to the "new" testing?
13:25<sqrt{not}>andrea15: do you have "testing" in your sources.list file, or "buster"
13:26<andrea15>:sqrt{not} tessting
13:26<sqrt{not}>andrea15: you are already there in that case. the new testing is just a copy of buster (previous testing until yesterday). It will begin to get updates after now
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13:30<andrea15>but apt-upgrade haven't packages to install
13:32<andrea15>:sqrt{not} but apt upgrade haven't packages to install
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13:34<sqrt{not}>andrea15: yes, because it is still the same as yesterday. when new updates to testing arrive, you will see them, just not any in last few hours ;)
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13:37<caioau>Hi! Im migrating to buster! I want to know, I use firejail, should I use by installing via the debian package (apt install firejail) or compile myself? Im worried that the version shipped in Debian is vulnerable to some CVE, that the upstream is not. Thanks
13:37<andrea15>:sqrt{not} thanks
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13:38<jmcnaught>caioau: is the CVE listed here? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firejail
13:40<jmcnaught>caioau: it's usually better to use Debian packages. The Debian security team backports security fixes to the stable release, so even if upstream firejail 0.9.58.2-2 has a security flaw it doesn't mean that Debian's version does.
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13:42<wannabe-mirror>lightdm-kde-greeter is available in stretch and sid but not buster?
13:43<iobound>wannabe-mirror: probably https://tracker.debian.org/news/893872/removed-0322-1-from-unstable/ ?
13:44<caioau>jmcnaught: Its CVE-2019-12589 and CVE-2019-12499 , both of them are listed on that link! Awesome! Im going to install via debian :D thanks!
13:44<caioau>Another thing why ecryptfs is not available on buster! Im going to miss that
13:45<jmcnaught>caioau: you can usually find why a package was removed by looking it up on https://tracker.debian.org/
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13:50<jagez>I'm trying to have journald keep logs for 1 year so I have set MaxRetentionSec=1year and rebooted but my logs still start over 2 years ago. How can I get it to flush old logs according to the config? How should this work? (Debian stretch, Storage=persistent)
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13:55<laptop>hello
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13:58<laptop>anyone try debian 10 stabke
13:58<wannabe-mirror>yes... i'm installing it as we speak
13:58<annadane>yep, it's nice
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13:59<laptop>great
13:59<laptop>what improvements? highlights at least from stretch
14:00<wannabe-mirror>"W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915"?
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14:09<amit112amit>Hi! I just did a fresh install of Debian Buster. I am a new Debian user. I am experiencing a clash in the default keyboard shortcuts. By default, `Super + Left` not only aligns the current window to left of the display but also takes me to the next `tty` i.e. `tty3`. I need help to change the shortcut for switching `tty`.
14:10<sqrt{not}>wannabe-mirror: are you installing from media with non-free firmware ?
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14:10<amit112amit>Yes.
14:11<amit112amit>Do you suggest reinstalling from the media without non-free firmware?
14:11<sqrt{not}>wannabe-mirror: you may be OK anyway. that firmware is for the display I think, and you can add it after your install finishes
14:12<amacater>Occasionally you get messages like that but it works anyway esp. for some realtek ethernet chipsets - then you can add the firmware afterwards from non-free
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14:12<amit112amit>Just to be sure... I will not have this issue if I install from the standard install media?
14:13<wannabe-mirror>sqrt{not}: yes, it is for the display but I have not yet found a debian package that would make it work properly
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14:13<sqrt{not}>amit112amit: I was not replying to you, I was replying to another user named wannabe-mirror
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14:13<sqrt{not}>wannabe-mirror: that firmware is in package firmware-misc-nonfree
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14:14<wannabe-mirror>sqrt{not}: lets give it a try...
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14:19<wannabe-mirror>it doesn't give the error message anymore
14:20<sqrt{not}>OK then, you fixed it.... drinks all around
14:20*annadane steals all the drinks
14:21<amacater>laptop: If you're still here - Release notes give some details of the changes
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14:22<wannabe-mirror>have you tested onboard (the virtual keyboard)?
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14:26<wannabe-mirror>yeah. onboard is a mess.
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14:36<wannabe-mirror>yeah, onboard doesn't work
14:36<wannabe-mirror>like at all
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14:41<laptop>anyone from canada
14:42<zleap>i am from England sorry
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14:48<beny>hi all, I have a problem with fail2ban on debian buster. The tool is not adding rules into the iptables using the iptables-nft. Have you met this problem?
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14:56<beny>It seems that I have found the solution
14:56<Talkless>beny: and that was?
14:57<laptop>does debian 10 enable apparmor by default?
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14:58<beny>Just my stupidity because the fail2ban tool is not currently creating chains during the start but during the IP banning. :)
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15:00<stingertor>my upgrade from stretch to buster
15:01<stingertor>went well thanks guys
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15:03<beny>laptop: Sure, apparmor is enabled by default now
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15:06<laptop>nice
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15:07<IHDC>congrat with the buster release, all
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15:44<wannabe-mirror>and no virtualbox in buster... at least yet.
15:44<wannabe-mirror>does anyone here have a pc tablet, like the ms surface?
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15:56<jhutchins>,v virtualbox
15:56<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.8-dfsg-7
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16:07<nobody>i have debian 10 with kde plasmaand have a problem with missing mouse setings please help me?
16:07<nobody>i have debian 10 with kde plasma and have a problem with missing mouse setings please help me?
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16:11<zuhaitz>hello
16:11<zuhaitz>ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system
16:11<towo`>zuhaitz, context?
16:12<zuhaitz>I installed debian GNU Linux 10, I installed nvidia-driver but I can't make nvidia-settings launch so I only can use intel driver
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16:12<towo`>zuhaitz, you should really read the wiki about optimus
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16:13<zuhaitz>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus
16:13<zuhaitz>Should I follow that one by one?
16:14<zuhaitz>I installed debian over a Ubuntu installation that made nvidia work only by installing same nvidia driver with apt... I thought that it was not necessary (xorg.conf editing and so on)
16:16<nobody>hello,i have debian 10 with kde plasma and have a problem with missing mouse setings please help me?
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16:22<ppc64>would anyone know how to install whatever is needed for NVidia nppGetLibVersion() to work ?
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16:23<ppc64>or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely . ref see https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/archive/9.2/npp/index.html
16:24<jhutchins>!nvidia
16:24<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
16:24<jhutchins>ppc64: You may find something uesful in dmesg | less
16:25<ppc64>jhutchins: well the libs are installed in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnppc.so.9.2.148
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16:26<zuhaitz>Hi
16:26<zuhaitz>I cant make nvidia work in debian 10 :-/
16:26<jhutchins>ppc64: It matters which chipset it is.
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16:28<ppc64>jhutchins: okay, strangely these are all from the Debian repo pkgs
16:28<jhutchins>ppc64: Which driver did you install? From what source? Is the GUI working correctly?
16:28<ppc64>jhutchins: everything is working great
16:28<jhutchins>ppc64: Which repo?
16:28<ppc64> grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list says deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
16:29<ppc64>also have deb-src
16:29<jhutchins>Ah. Sid is unknown territory. You still haven't said which nvidia driver you're using (including version).
16:29<jhutchins>!debian-next
16:29<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
16:30<ppc64>driver is 418.74 and cuda 10.1 ( I think ) where I was working on some code where I wanted/needed to check on NPP_VERSION_MAJOR and NPP_VERSION_MINOR
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16:31<ppc64>again everything is out of the repo
16:31<ppc64>nothing directly from NVidia
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16:32<zuhaitz>ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system
16:32<zuhaitz>still have this problem while launching nvidia-settings
16:32<zuhaitz>no way to make nvidia work
16:32<jhutchins>ppc64: I don't remember if Debian repackages them or if the package is just a script that downloads them.
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16:32<ppc64>jhutchins: looks like a re-package
16:33<ppc64>jhutchins: given that I see driver ver 418.74 here and everything "just works"(tm)
16:34<blast007>ppc64: sid is supported in #debian-next
16:34<zuhaitz>is there a way to uninstall intel driver and force debian to use nvidia one?
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16:35<ppc64>well I am not really concerned about nvidia in general or even cuda. This is about the NVidia performance primitive support in libnppc.so.x.xxxx
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16:35<ppc64>however I can shuffle away to #debian-next which won't make much difference
16:36*ppc64 shuffles away confused but with a coffee cup
16:36<nobody>hello,i have debian 10 with kde plasma and have a problem with missing mouse setings please help me?
16:36<zuhaitz>I had nvidia working in this laptop with debian 9 time ago, then ubuntu, and now I cant make it work with debian 10
16:36<zuhaitz>no sense to me
16:37<zuhaitz>I just followed the how to from wiki debian
16:37<zuhaitz>and no way
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16:38<ppc64>zuhaitz: well as others would often say .. did you install from the debian repo or from Debian Linux drivers download directly ??
16:39<zuhaitz>debian repo
16:39<ppc64>ok .. what does cat /etc/debian_version say ??
16:39<zuhaitz>sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus libgl1-nvidia-glx
16:40<zuhaitz>this is debian 10
16:40<zuhaitz>I installed this afternoon xD
16:40<ppc64>that is what I have here also
16:40<ppc64>one sec ..
16:40<zuhaitz>I was working OK with Ubuntu but I read yesterday about debian 10 and I wanted to return debian agani xD
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16:41<chachasmooth>LXD doesn't work on Buster, docker likely affected as well
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16:42<ppc64>zuhaitz: good idea
16:42<chachasmooth>reproduced on clean buster 10 install and with upgrade from an upgraded machine
16:42<ppc64>zuhaitz: so I don't know what that bumblebee thing is and I never heard of it
16:42<chachasmooth>all my containers don't get a bridged ipv4 address
16:42<ransur0t>Hey! Successful upgrade to Buster. Only snag is flatpak apps don't run, error:
16:42<zuhaitz>ppc64, well... I need nvidia driver working OK for Lightworks, 3D Maya (autodesk) and... Retroarch/Steam xD
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16:42<ppc64>zuhaitz: however I use a mixture of NVidia Quadro hardware and the driver package is nvidia-driver
16:42<ransur0t>bwrap: Can't bind mount /oldroot/mnt on /newroot/mnt: No such device
16:42<zuhaitz>ppc64, I installed that at first, but it doesnt work
16:43<ppc64>zuhaitz: doesn't work ??
16:43<zuhaitz>no
16:43<chachasmooth>journal says: Jul 07 20:40:39 rock64 systemd-udevd[1941]: Could not generate persistent MAC address for vethGA45SO: No such file or directory
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16:43<ppc64>zuhaitz: what does lspci say to you for 'vga' ??
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16:43<ransur0t>Has anyone encountered this error with bubblewrap?
16:43<zuhaitz>mmmm
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16:44<zuhaitz>it appears only intel one
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16:44<zuhaitz>xD
16:44<ppc64>zuhaitz: wwhat ??
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16:44<chachasmooth>any idea on how to resolve this?
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16:44<chachasmooth>or where to report it?
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16:44<ppc64>zuhaitz: no VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation ..... stuff ??
16:44<zuhaitz>no
16:44<zuhaitz>only intel
16:44<ppc64>zuhaitz: is this a lenovo monster with the Quadro chip inside ??
16:44<zuhaitz>but lshw shows this:
16:44<zuhaitz> description: 3D controller
16:44<zuhaitz> product: GM108M [GeForce 840M]
16:44<zuhaitz> vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
16:44<zuhaitz>is an Acer VN7
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16:45<chachasmooth>it's most likely fixed by https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3374 which is missing in systemd 241 (version in buster)
16:45<zuhaitz>is an Acer VN7
16:45<ppc64>hrmmm .. I have seen this before
16:45<zuhaitz>Sorry for flood
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16:45*ppc64 thinks that is not a flood and the damn irc chan is too picky about four lines
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16:45<ppc64>zuhaitz: hold on a sec ... k ?
16:45<jhutchins>zuhaitz: lspci -nn, give us the eight character PCIID
16:46<ppc64>zuhaitz: yeah .. do that
16:46<jhutchins>ppc64: There are reasons it needs to be throttled like that.
16:46<zuhaitz>lspci only shows intel: 00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI [8086:8c31] (rev 05)
16:46<zuhaitz>ups sorry
16:46<zuhaitz>:(
16:46<zuhaitz>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)
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16:46<jhutchins>That's intel.
16:46<ppc64>jhutchins: yeah .. I just recall in the old days ( 2004? ) we could do three or four lines
16:46<jhutchins>,pciid 8086:8c31
16:46<zuhaitz>jhutchins, yes, nvidia appears in lshw
16:46<judd>[8086:8c31] is '8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:8c31
16:47<jhutchins>Any unidentified lines in lspci?
16:47<ppc64>jhutchins: I think he has a dual hardware laptop similar to the IBM Lenovo W541 line which has intel inside for the cpu ( i7 etc ) and also a crappy intel VGA chip for the attached display. HOWEVER there is also a NVidia chip in there for external display
16:48<zuhaitz>yes ppc64 something like that
16:48<ppc64>zuhaitz: bingo
16:48<ppc64>zuhaitz: I have a similar laptop
16:48<ppc64>zuhaitz: you're screwed ... sorry
16:48<ppc64>zuhaitz: you need to attached an external monitor
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16:49<jhutchins>zuhaitz: I think the multi-card software is still bumblebee
16:49<zuhaitz>ppc64, it worked perfect in debian 9 2 years ago, and ubuntu till ... this afternoon
16:49<ppc64>zuhaitz: also there is no way that ubuntu or windows or OpenBSD or FreeBSD or MagicSoftware will expose both the intel chip and the NVidia chip without the external monitor attahed on HDMI or DisplayPort etc
16:49<zuhaitz>without any problem
16:50<ppc64>zuhaitz: well I have to look up the specs on this magic laptop
16:50<zuhaitz>ppc64, magic?
16:50<ppc64>zuhaitz: however I am familiar with the hardware at least from the lenovo world
16:50<ppc64>zuhaitz: yes .. magic
16:50<zuhaitz>ppc64, it worked perfectly in debian 9 and ubuntu 18.04
16:50<zuhaitz>bumblebee was working OK
16:50*ppc64 defines magic as some mystical undocumented process that makes something happen and no one can figure out why
16:51<jhutchins>!info bumblebee
16:51<dpkg>bumblebee: (NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 205 kB
16:51<ppc64>bumblebee?? never heard of it
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16:51<zuhaitz>is not working now
16:51<jhutchins>ppc64: Hybrid graphics manager. Often works.
16:51<zuhaitz>jhutchins, it worked before with debian in this laptop
16:51<zuhaitz>xD
16:52<jhutchins>You're running sid?
16:52<ppc64>zuhaitz: see https://termbin.com/ssry
16:53<zuhaitz>I am running debian 10 buster
16:53<zuhaitz>installed today
16:53<zuhaitz>clrean installation
16:53<ppc64>zuhaitz: what is in /etc/apt/sources.list ??
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16:53*ppc64 thinks buster is awesome and ready for release .. real soon now
16:53<zuhaitz>oficial repositories from debian, non-free and contrib
16:54<zuhaitz>and oficial repositories from google chrome and valve steam
16:54<ppc64>k .. that sounds great
16:54<zuhaitz>no more
16:54<ppc64>well for steam you only need the debian repo
16:54<jhutchins>zuhaitz: Sorry, somebody was running sid earlier, thought it was you.
16:54<ppc64>jhutchins: well in theory I am the guy on sid
16:54<jhutchins>zuhaitz: Have you read the release notes/errata?
16:55<ppc64>jhutchins: my /etc/debian_version says 10.0 and my /etc/apt/sources.list says 'sid'
16:55<jhutchins>ppc64: Frankendebian. Sid hasn't updated the version file yet.
16:56<jhutchins>ppc64: You might get better help in #debian-next on oftc.net
16:56<zuhaitz>jhutchins, what notes/errata?
16:56<jhutchins>zuhaitz: Have you scanned through dmesg for anything relevant?
16:56<jhutchins>zuhaitz: Is nv able to load?
16:57<zuhaitz>jhutchins, is using intel driver
16:57<zuhaitz>modprobe nvidia works
16:57<zuhaitz>but is not active
16:58<zuhaitz>jhutchins, I wrote you in private but are ignored...
16:58<zuhaitz>[ 37.061591] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 418.74 Wed May 1 11:49:41 CDT 2019
16:58<jhutchins>Yeah, we had some problems on this network and had to lock private messages down.
16:59<jhutchins>zuhaitz: Maybe it'll work if I initiate?
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16:59<zuhaitz>how can
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17:04<jhutchins>ppc64: It probably isn't, it's probably straight sid but they haven't updated the release package since the release yesterday.
17:04<ppc64>well I don't know what to say ... everything here works and I just wanted NVidia nppGetLibVersion() to work
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17:05<jhutchins>ppc64: I don't even know if npp is supported on linux, that would be a #nvidia question.
17:05<ppc64>jhutchins: over the past 15 or more years I have always been quite happy with 'testing' when it is a few years old. I just try out sid by way of 'testing' install and then edit sources.list to 'sid' and go with apt-get update and upgrade and dist-upgrade
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17:07<ppc64>jhutchins: I see /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnppc.so.9.2.148 installed here
17:07<jhutchins>Well, that answers that.
17:07<ppc64>jhutchins: but yes ... this is a very NVidia specific nuance
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17:07<ppc64>jhutchins: most likely I just need the headers
17:08<ppc64>jhutchins: oh heck ... I can check with apt-file to get the pkg name and then search for the name-dev
17:08*ppc64 slaps self with a wet herring
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17:09<rant>that sounds easier said than done
17:09<rant>I can't imagine a wet herring is easy to hold onto much less slap anyone with
17:10*ppc64 is a programmer ... I can check the man pages
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17:14<ppc64>hold on .. I am baffled ... was there a major release ? there was ! https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706
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17:29<jhutchins>ppc64: That's why I was saying they probably just haven't updated sid's version number since they just released yesterday.
17:29<ppc64>jhutchins: I just wasn't aware
17:29<ppc64>jhutchins: which is a common condition for me :-/
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17:30<nobody>hello,i have debian 10 with kde plasma and have a problem with missing mouse setings please help me?
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17:34<dboles>what problem? if you describe it with actual details then someone is more likely to recognise it and reply
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17:59<prasket>@nobody when you say missing mouse settings, is it that you are not able to move your mouse upon first boot and get the login screen?
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18:19<prasket>So I then launch gdm3 from command line and same frozen screen now. Going to have to hard reset. I should be able to at least go see the logs now with logging into Xfce first. 🤷
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18:20<rant>I seen something like that many years ago
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18:20<rant>some kind odd bug related to me running on a tty other than tty7, and it was still sending my input to tty7 anyhow
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18:29<connor_>Hey everyone. I just got Debian 10 Buster today, but I found a huge problem in it when I installed it.
18:30<connor_>I have a Nvidia graphics card, and by default, it was using the llvmpipe graphics driver.
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18:31<connor_>This made the whole system extremely slow. The mouse and keyboard were extremely laggy, the GUI was painfully laggy too, and it took me over an hour to fix it.
18:31<connor_>I ended up installing the latest Nvidia drivers, and that fixed it.
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18:31<connor_>It took a long time too, because I was having problems with disabling Nouveau.
18:32<blast007>did you install the nvidia drivers from the Debian repos, or from upstream nvidia.com?
18:32<connor_>From upstream nvidia.com
18:32<connor_>I got the 430 version
18:32<connor_>It works great now that I have the Nvidia drivers
18:33<connor_>It would be way better if they would just include the drivers in the installer. llvmpipe must have been the root of the problem
18:33<EmleyMoor>The main problem is that nvidia drivers are non-free
18:33<blast007>debian's normal installer does not include non-free software or firmware
18:33<connor_>Oh, ok. What about mesa?
18:34<connor_>That would still be better than llvmpipe
18:34<blast007>for the future, this is the recommended way to get the proprietary nVidia drivers (though the info doesn't yet specifically cover buster): https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
18:34<connor_>Ok
18:35<connor_>I used a tutorial that covered buster, but it was from March, so it was the testing version
18:35<connor_>It worked though
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18:35<connor_>I had to use a few other tutorials too because it didn't give the right way to disable nouveau
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18:38<blast007>the driver from nvidia.com may have to be manually reinstalled after kernel updates, whereas the Debian packaged driver would handle that for you
18:39<jhutchins>blast007: The nvidia packages will use dkms.
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18:39<jhutchins>blast007: That is, they'll ask if you want to use it and set it up for you if you do.
18:41<blast007>k
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18:41<jhutchins>I wonder if a dist-upgrade might not have triggered that.
18:42*EmleyMoor is waiting for his laptop to complete backing up, before starting his raft of upgrades (side thought: how do you start a raft?)
18:43<blast007>so is there a reason to use the Debian packaged driver anymore?
18:43<jhutchins>blast007: I'ts been tested against the current Debian version explicitly, it's a little easier to manage the package.
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18:44<jhutchins>blast007: Keeping everything under dpkg is tidy.
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18:57<prasket>@connor_ I am also running into issues with Nvidia card and default drivers. Trying to install from non-free right now to see if that resolves it.
18:58<prasket>My issue is that gdm3 locks up on boot, xfce is working fine though that is how I am in installing those nvidia drivers
18:59<connor_>@prasket Like I said, I fixed it by installing the proprietary nvidia drivers.
19:00<prasket>Ahh missed that, ill try those if this doesnt work out
19:00<connor_>Ok, that sounds good.
19:00<connor_>Sorry, i forgot that IRC doesn't let you see previous messages.
19:00<connor_>This is actually my first time using IRC
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19:01<connor_>Another problem I had was that the keyboard would get stuck really easily at any time.
19:02<connor_>I would be typing "how to install nvidia drivers on debian" and after a whole minute, it would type "hooooooooooow toooo inssssssssstallll nvvvvvvidia drrrrrrrrivers on debiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan"
19:02<prasket>ahh that stinks.. Looks like my issue is fixed by installing from non-free :D
19:02<prasket>haah
19:03<connor_>This never happened with any other distro. The nvidia drivers fixed it.
19:03<connor_>The mouse was really wonky too. It would be really laggy and it would take ages to move the mouse enough to click on something.
19:04<connor_>I keep a few spare mice and keyboards laying around, so I tried those, and those had the same problem too.
19:07<connor_>If you're having trouble with disabling Nouveau, you have to create a file called blacklist-nouveau at /etc/modprobe.d/, then add some stuff to it, and THEN you have to regenerate the kernel initramfs.
19:08<connor_>the tutorial I was using didn't have that last step in it, so the installer always thought that nouveau was still enabled.
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19:23<ppc64>is there a way to put the debian installer onto a partition on a arm7 machine and then boot that partition to do the install ?
19:25<petn-randall>ppc64: No, unless you are talking about raspbian?
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19:33<zanc>is there a script to autogenerate /etc/network/interfaces like in debian installer?
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19:48<ppc64>petn-randall: no .. this is an ASUS tinkerboard
19:49<jmcnaught>zanc: not that I know of. Are you trying to automate this, or you just need to configure your network?
19:52<zanc>do you know the script that the debian installer use? like when I install netinst on qemu, it generates ens3, but when I install it on host, it generates wlp3s0
19:56<jmcnaught>zanc: I believe that it is a component of the installer that configures networking, not a script that you can run after the system is installed but I could be wrong.
19:57<jmcnaught>zanc: anyways if you're trying to configure networking on your computer here's a wiki page about it: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration feel free to ask questions if you get stuck :)
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21:32<samir>hi
21:32<samir>i have a dude
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21:32<samir>help me please
21:32<samir>guys
21:32<pai>sehr gut
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21:32<samir>hola dragon
21:32<samir>me ayudas con una duda q tengo
21:32<samir>porfavor
21:33<pai>por que no ?
21:33<dvs>!es
21:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:33<samir>ayudame
21:33<samir>porfavor con una duda q tengo
21:33<samir>he estado googleando preguntando a grupos , y las respuestas estan divididas
21:33<samir>respecto a mi duda
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21:39<samir>es referente al harward de mi lapto, estoy queriendo instalar debian 9 nonfree
21:39<samir>64 bits
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21:39<samir>en una lapto de amd turion 64x2
21:40<samir>i686 athon
21:41<samir>es mas o menos comtemporanea es una version un poco mas baja de la duo core
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21:45<pai_>who is using buster now?
21:46<sqrt{not}>samir: very few here understand spanish. See dpkg advice above for #debian-es or try to ask us here in english ?
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21:47<samir>ok i try to write in english
21:48<samir>i would like to install debian 9.9 netfree for 64bit in my lapto AMD TURION 64X2
21:48<samir>i will can this debian , thank you for you answers
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21:49<samir>is very old my lapto ...
21:51<samir>debian nonfree 9 mate
21:52<samir>i could install that debian in my old lapto guys?
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21:55<sqrt{not}>samir: it should work. Here is a CD (or USB stick) image: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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21:56<sqrt{not}>samir: Here is instructions en espan~ol for that CD image: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.es.html
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21:57<sqrt{not}>samir: ahh, sorry that image is the new debian 10 . if you really want older debian 9.9, i will find you the URL
21:59<sqrt{not}>samir: here is debian 9.9 CD image: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/9.9.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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22:04<samir>hey friend do you belive i can install debian 9.9 of 64bits in my old lapto;
22:04<samir>?
22:07<wylel>That all depends on if the "old laptop" supports 64bit.
22:07<sqrt{not}>samir: I think maybe yes. it is old, but it is AMD and it is 64 bit
22:08<sqrt{not}>samir: it is easy to attempt, then you find out if it works or not.
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22:13<samir>my old lapto is a AMD turion 64x2 i686
22:13<samir>RAM 4GB
22:14<samir>this is description about my lapto my frinnd only say if i can install debian 9.9 nonfree en my old lapto please
22:15<LouWestin>Good evening, I'm trying to run an ip6 nft rule and I'm getting the following error: https://pastebin.com/Pz2zULYf
22:15<blast007>samir: the turion X2 is a 64-bit CPU, so sure, try the amd64 netinst
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22:16<blast007>Does it have an nVidia graphics card?
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22:19<sqrt{not}>samir: here is a version for x86 type computers: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/9.9.0+nonfree/i386/iso-cd/firmware-9.9.0-i386-netinst.iso
22:19<blast007>it is a 64-bit CPU
22:21<samir>before y try to install other distros i GNU linux and i cannt installed ...
22:22<samir>only i can install for 32 bit i dont know why
22:22<samir>but y try to install debian ...
22:22<samir>thank you guys
22:23<sqrt{not}>samir: above you have 32bit version or 64 bit version... try either one, or both, tell us what works :)
22:24<sqrt{not}>samir: the "1386" image is the 32 bit version of debian 9.9
22:24<sqrt{not}>"i386" I mean
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22:27<samir>really, i cannt install for 64 bits with i386?
22:28<samir>my old lapto is i686 and not i386
22:29<blast007>i686 does not mean 64-bit
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22:30<AnAnt>Hello, can one upgrade from jesaie to nuster directly ?
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22:31<samir>i only i can install debian for 32 bits ? i not 64 bits
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22:31<annadane>AnAnt, no, go through stretch first
22:31<blast007>i386 is for the 32-bit version, amd64 is for the 64-bit version
22:32<blast007>if you want the 64-bit version, get the amd64 ISO
22:32<sqrt{not}>samir: I don't know your machine exactly. try it with both versions, tell us what works what does not work.
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22:33<samir>ok thank you guy ..
22:34<AnAnt>is there any wiki for jessie->stretch update instructions ?
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22:34<sqrt{not}>!jessie->stretch
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22:36<AnAnt>sqrt{not}: ?
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22:37<sqrt{not}>dpkg: jessie->stretch
22:37<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
22:38<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
22:41<cHawk->So how long will it take until we see buster-backports? Can't wait to get a new kernel, using secure boot and kinda rely on debians signature
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22:55<AnAnt>thanks
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23:19<tuzkep>There is now a way for foreigners to donate to MoveOn PAC without being detected and to help defeat Donald Trump in 2020. We have set up accounts that will take your donation and peg it to the name of someone who hasn't donated the maximum yet. Best of all, this is 100% legal! Help preserve human rights and global governance; donate to MoveOn. “When a community starts to listen to each other, pull together, and work towards a common goal, the
23:19<tuzkep>n anything is possible.”
23:19<tuzkep>— Chuck, MoveOn Mobilizer
23:19<tuzkep>Donation information
23:19<tuzkep>URI: bitcoin:bc1qyv7kug65090hq8yhzp76q2kvujt69p9pdxrjd7?amount=0.03000000&label=MoveOn&message=MoveOn%202020
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23:20<tuzkep>Address: bc1qyv7kug65090hq8yhzp76q2kvujt69p9pdxrjd7
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23:21<jmcnaught>!ops tuzkep bitcoin scam
23:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above)
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23:21<themill>jmcnaught: thanks
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23:27<tuzkep>There is now a way for foreigners to donate to MoveOn PAC without being detected and to help defeat Donald Trump in 2020. We have set up accounts that will take your donation and peg it to the name of someone who hasn't donated the maximum yet. Best of all, this is 100% legal! Help preserve human rights and global governance; donate to MoveOn. “When a community starts to listen to each other, pull together, and work towards a common goal
23:27<tuzkep>, then anything is possible.”
23:27<tuzkep>— Chuck, MoveOn Mobilizer
23:27<tuzkep>Donation information
23:27<tuzkep>URI: bitcoin:bc1qyv7kug65090hq8yhzp76q2kvujt69p9pdxrjd7?amount=0.03000000&label=MoveOn&message=MoveOn%202020
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23:27<tuzkep>Address: bc1qyv7kug65090hq8yhzp76q2kvujt69p9pdxrjd7
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