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01:21<mtcdood>it's been a long time since I used a Debian desktop
01:22<mtcdood>with Buster's release I figure I'll see if the handful of Windows-only programs I use can run under wine
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01:30<mtcdood>on the expert graphical install do users need to select both "Debian desktop environment" and their desired desktop environment, or I can they just select the first option and get Debian's default?
01:32<wylel>You can pick your desired DE
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01:34<mtcdood>that wasn't the question
01:35<jm_>mtcdood: AFAIR it's enough to select just the former
01:35<mtcdood>gotcha
01:35<mtcdood>it's been long enough I don't remember
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01:50<mtcdood_>"Select 'Native' if you mostly use DejaVu (the default in Debian) or any of the Microsoft fonts. Select 'Autohinter' if you mostly use other TrueType fonts. Select 'None' if you want blurry text."
01:50<mtcdood_>someone has a sense of humor
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01:53<tarzeau>mtcdood: hehe
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03:05<twb>!sernet
03:05<twb>Hrm, I guess not enough noobs ask for it to be an infobot entry
03:05<twb>$customer is running samba debs from sernet, not standard Debian, and I'm trying to work out 1. where the source is; and 2. what differences exist.
03:07<twb>Looks like this: https://oposso.samba.plus/how_to.php
03:11<mtcdood__>when you boot up Buster in VirtualBox with virtualbox-guest-x11 installed the display resolution will not be properly set until you also run xrandr -s 0
03:11<mtcdood__>attempting to run xfce4-display-settings will result in a segfault until you do
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03:35<eberna>hi all, i changed the buster repo with the testing one
03:37<eberna>but when running the apt update i keep getting this errors: https://paste.debian.net/1090683/
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03:38<themill>!testing-security
03:38<dpkg>Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty).
03:38<themill>(also, question your choice to run testing right now)
03:39<avu>testing right after a stable release is... brave :)
03:40<avu>expect lots of transitions breaking things all over the place
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03:42<marcus_>hi all. I have read that AppArmor is avtive by default in 10.0. If I do a dist-upgrade from 9, will it also be activated automatically?
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03:42<twb>marcus_: upgrading the kernel will pull in apparmor
03:43<twb>marcus_: and it will be active, but very few programs will be confined
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03:44<twb>apparmor-profiles (and apparmor-profiles-extra) provide most of the profiles
03:44<eberna>themill: thank you, i'll wait to switch to testing
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03:45<tarzeau>mtcdood__: it comes from fontconfig this file http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/fontconfig/fontconfig-2.13.1/debian/fontconfig-config.templates
03:45<twb>dpkg -S /etc/apparmor.d/ should give you an idea of what will be confined
03:45<dpkg>Dingos ate my /etc/apparmor.d/ should give you an idea of what will be confined!
03:46<mtcdood__>?
03:47<mtcdood__>@ dpkg's response
03:47<twb>mtcdood__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain
03:47<twb>It's am American meme about an Australian murder
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03:48<mtcdood__>AIHmm
03:48<grove>And dpkg is a bot
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03:48<mtcdood__>I wonder if 1.3 mil is worth three years of imprisonment
03:48<mtcdood__>never been in prison
03:49<twb>I don't recommend it
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03:57<marcus_>will apparmor-profiles-extra also be pulled by the upgrade?
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03:57<twb>I *think* neither profiles package is pulled in
03:58<marcus_>okay
03:58<twb>profiles-extra is all in complain mode anyway IIRC
03:58<twb>Sorry I don't have definitive answers; I'm too lazy tonight
04:00<twb>OK help me remember how to drive apt
04:00<twb>I'm not root, and I'm scared to try re-using the sernet username/password from another computer (in case I lock the account)
04:00<twb>So I created copies of /etc/apt and /var/lib/apt &c in my $HOME, and I'm doing this:
04:00<twb>$ apt-get source sernet-samba -oDir::Etc=/home/twb/etc-apt -oDir::State=/home/twb/var-lib-apt -oDir::State::status=/home/twb/var-lib-dpkg/status -oDir::Cache=/home/twb/var-cache-apt -oDir::Log=/home/twb/var-log-apt
04:01<twb>...but it's failing because the repo isn't signed by a key in apt-keys
04:01<twb>oh, duh, I can just put [trusted=yes] in my etc-apt/sources.list
04:01<jm_>--allow-unauthenticated doesn't help?
04:02<twb>jm_: that's what I was trying to remember how to do :-)
04:02<twb>it worked, so now I have a dsc I can compare to stock debian samba
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04:26<twb>marcus_: BTW, #apparmor on OFTC is friendly, and there are tools to help you write new confinments (e.g. aa-genprof) by interactive prompts
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04:30<marcus_>okay thanks.
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04:30<marcus_>another completly different question: is it possible to connect via wpa2-enterprise during installation (within d-i)?
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04:32<twb>Oooh. Not sure about during d-i
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04:32<twb>marcus_: what EAP are you using?
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04:32<jm_>not sure about wpa2-e... specifically, but for using wifi during install you will have to use images which include non-free stuff
04:32<twb>jm_: always? I'm pretty sure I used stock d-i to install over wifi in the past
04:33<twb>over an atl2 chipset probably
04:33<jm_>twb: it depends whether your chipset has a free vs non-free firmware I think
04:33<jm_>!firmware images
04:33<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/. Follow the current/ link for stable, daily-builds/ or weekly-builds/ for testing.
04:33<twb>jm_: OK then I agree with you
04:36<marcus_>yes, I am aware of that, but d-i only offers WPA-PSK or open network as authentication options.
04:36<twb>marcus_: which EAP do you need?
04:39<marcus_>PEAP
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04:39<twb>blech, so no certificates at all
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04:41<twb>OK so background: wpa-supplicant (client side) and hostapd (server side) are built from the same source package, "wpa". They have WPA2 Enterprise support in the source. The deb (used post-install) definitely supports at least WPA2 Enterprise EAP-TLS. The udeb (used by d-i) might not, or might have it under another name.
04:41<twb>Yeah confirmed. debian/config/wpasupplicant/linux compiles in PEAP, but debian/config/wpasupplicant/linux-udeb does not
04:42<twb>Working around this will be a huge pain; you're probably better off doing a minimal install offline or wired ethernet, then setting up wifi later
04:44<twb>(I was hoping support was compiled in, and you'd just have to hand-write the config file)
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04:50<cupcake90>https://pastebin.com/SsQGmeg0 I have an issue with policy every time prompts user password for virt-manager it is annoying, after add this rule the prompt stopped working but it is not connecting
04:51<twb>cupcake90: does Debian use javascript-based polkit yet?
04:52<twb>cupcake90: I thought it did not
04:52<cupcake90>twb: I really have no idea I saw the directory structure assumed it supports :D
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04:52<twb>cupcake90: compare /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf
04:53<twb>which is ini-style
04:53<twb>I think you need to write a .pkla file instead
04:53<cupcake90>twb: Okay where can I put it
04:54<twb>http://ix.io/1O0u/python --- this is my old notes that ban anyone from doing eject
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04:58<cupcake90>twb: thanks let me try
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05:28<EmleyMoor>I'm preparing to upgrade one of my systems from stretch to buster and am seeking some help with the network interface names. Do I simply find the new names (I take it they will be like enp3s6...), deal with the riles and all configs, rebuild initrd and reboot?
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05:29<twb>EmleyMoor: I thought that change landed in debian 9
05:29<twb>EmleyMoor: but yes, that sounds about right
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05:29<EmleyMoor>I guess the enx ones may be good too
05:29<twb>EmleyMoor: it's usually only /etc/network/interfaces and (on a router) the firewall that you need to worry about
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05:29<twb>EmleyMoor: and if your ifaces are already statically named in /etc/udev, they won't change
05:29<EmleyMoor>twb: Landed in a non-compulsory fashion, now compulsory
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05:30<bremner>is there something like a revision number for pages on wiki.debian.org?
05:30<twb>bremner: that's moinmoin?
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05:30<bremner>uh. Maybe?
05:30<twb>Last time I looked moinmoin had basically a Foo.txt-<monotonic integer> file for every version of article Foo
05:31<twb>bremner: https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening?action=info
05:31<EmleyMoor>This box has pppoe too
05:32<twb>bremner: the "#" column there is the nth commit to that article, similar to RCS
05:32<bremner>twb cool, thanks.
05:32<twb>bremner: under the hood they're individual files because ugh. There was a GSOC to gitify things, but it never materialized.
05:32<twb>bremner: cf. gitit, ikiwiki
05:32<bremner>twb: right. ikiwiki I know pretty well.
05:33<twb>EmleyMoor: pppd has numbered interfaces (i.e. ppp0 not ppp-verizon) hard-coded into its source API
05:33<twb>EmleyMoor: so it's unlikely they're be renamed
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05:39<burrows>I changed all my /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* from "buster" to "testing", but lsb_release still says I'm running "debian buster"
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05:40<bremner>burrows: sounds like a question for #debian-next
05:40<burrows>k, thanks
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05:51<cupcake90>twb: available?
05:51<twb>burrows: lsb_release looks at base-files package
05:51<cupcake90>twb: https://pastebin.com/RXkgUsL4
05:52<cupcake90>this file already created during install i think but not working it seems
05:52<twb>cupcake90: sorry, I don't have time to help
05:52<cupcake90>no prob
05:52<twb>cupcake90: step #1 determine if your polkit uses ini-style .pkla or newer js scripts
05:53<didi>In Buster, `gpg --list-keys' returns nothing, but I have a full `~/.gnupg' directory from yesterday's Stretch. What should I do?
05:53<twb>cupcake90: step #2 if former, find out what it should look like (what org.xxx RPCs should be allowed, and how to say "allow without password" instead of "allow with password")
05:53<twb>didi: gpg force-upgrades your keyrings to a new format
05:54<didi>twb: Thank you.
05:54<twb>didi: the new stuff doesn't understand some things like "my secret keys are stored on another place"
05:54<twb>didi: also, it's all systemdified via auto-started user dbus units.
05:54<didi>I can't tell if you are cursing me.
05:54<twb>didi: I'm not sure exactly what's wrong in your case; I did some quick bodge for myself and I forget what I exactly did
05:55<twb>didi: the new keyring is .kbx IIRC, and look for ~/.gnupg/.gpg-v21-migrated
05:55<didi>Roger.
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05:56<twb>didi: also primary-keyring keyring secret-keyring trustdb-name options in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf broken in 2.1+ according to my notes
05:56<didi>Bleh.
05:56<twb>Oh also no-default-keyring
05:56<didi>!
05:56<twb>I haven't solved it because I'm a horrible person
05:56<didi>As always.
05:57<didi>.XResources already gave me some work, which was nice.
05:58<twb>It's ~/.Xresources
05:58<twb>little r
05:58<didi>twb: Right right. Just a typo.
05:59<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.Xresources has some notes (re .Xdefaults); also note GNOME isn't X-based anymore
05:59<didi>twb: Indeed.
06:00<didi>I meant to write ".Xresources" in here. After some weird configurations mismatches I figured my .Xresources wasn't been read.
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06:03<didi>I do have `~/.gnupg/.gpg-v21-migrated'. Something ain't right.
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06:06<twb>didi: you should be able to see errors from gpg somewhere, possibly only in OLD gpg calls
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06:07<twb>didi: ping me on #emacs tomorrow if you're still stuck
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06:09<Nirgal>Hi. I updated a server to buster with stretch lxc containers: I get trouble with the container firewall where ip6tables doesn't work (ip6tables v1.6.0: can't initialize ip6tables table `filter': Table does not exist). Does any know if there is a backward compatibility kernel module so that the old linux api works with 4.19?
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06:11<Nirgal>Ops, I just found I could "modprobe ip6_tables" in the hypervisor, and this fixes the containers :)
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can view a doc file from a package without installing or fetching the package? (/usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian)
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06:18<bremner>afaik nothing that will work for all packages
06:20<bremner>oh. maybe sources.debian.net
06:20<bremner>which is now sources.debian.org
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06:22<EmleyMoor>Found it... it's more or less a straightforward thing, really. Is there a good channel for general nftables support? Does nftables support sets?
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06:25<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: #netfilter on freenode, but what you'll find is that even there most people are still pretty strong advocates for iptables and few people actually know nftables very well.
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06:26<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: and yes nftables has builtin sets
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06:26<bremner>dunno, I've never had someone tell me that iptables was better, only that they knew it better
06:26<duclicsic>nftables may be better in terms of the technology, but the syntax makes me sad
06:27<duclicsic>in any case you can have the best of both words in debian, the iptables-nft tools use the nft back-end but allow you to continue using iptables syntax
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06:27<bremner>ok, so _you're_ a strong iptables advocate ;)
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06:29<duclicsic>I just don't see there being any rush to move away from it, especially when we have a nice compatibility layer that allows us to make use of most of the benefits of nft without having to change the way we do things.
06:30<duclicsic>nft rules read like run-on sentences
06:30<duclicsic>*spits*
06:31<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Ah, but compatibility layers are often an interim
06:31<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: I doubt it's going away any time soon
06:31<EmleyMoor>(some of the things that BLEEP me off about iptables are a tad better in nftables)
06:32<duclicsic>the great thing about the compatibility layer is that you can set up your rules using iptables-nft, then view the finished ruleset with nft itself to see how it looks in the new syntax
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06:33<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: I'm currently a heavy ipset user - that's a bit more of a pain
06:33<duclicsic>then you can use nft to trim it down a bit and clean some of the legacy stuff out, e.g. removing counters from rules that don't need it
06:34<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: well here's a problem with nft. sets are builtin and part of the overall ruleset, there is no possible way to output your full nftables ruleset in one command without also printing the entire contents of all sets at the same time.
06:34<duclicsic>this is mainly a problem for us over in #netfilter because we frequently ask people to pastebin their full ruleset
06:35<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: I don't know whether that's a plus or a minus... surely named sets help?
06:35<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: they still get printed out in full when you do 'nft list ruleset'
06:36<duclicsic>it's little things like that which can be easily improved on that will make nftables 'ready' in my eyes
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06:37<duclicsic>e.g. screw up interactively adding an iptables rule? just change your -A to -D and run it again to remove it. there is no such fun with nftables, I must output at least the full chain I was editing to get the rule handle, then create a remove statement that references the address family, table, chain, AND handle.
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06:38<duclicsic>can't just reference the handle despite it being globally unique, which is a bit dumb imo
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06:39<Darby_Crash>hi guys
06:40<Darby_Crash>I have installed the new stable in a Lenovo Y50
06:41<Darby_Crash>I use Mate like desktop environment
06:41<Darby_Crash>my laptop have a Nvidia 960m
06:42<Darby_Crash>how can I install nvidia-driver?
06:43<Darby_Crash>my laptop use optimus
06:44<Darby_Crash>I need bumblebee?
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06:46<jm_>Darby_Crash: most likely yes
06:47<jm_>!bumblbee
06:47<jm_>!bumblebee
06:47<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
06:47<jm_>you can find the docs there
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06:51<Darby_Crash>thanks
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07:02<EmleyMoor-laptop>Trying to get my upgraded router running, it seems to be refusing to see most of my logical volumes (this includes /usr) - from the (initramfs) prompt, what do I type to fix this? The volumes are there
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07:05<EmleyMoor-laptop>vgchange -ay gw00 (the vg name) worked, but how do I make this "self-happening"?
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07:07<EmleyMoor-laptop>...?
07:09<EmleyMoor-laptop>I'm getting going now but obviously need to fix this permanently
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07:12<EmleyMoor>Right - so, to recap: I upgraded my router to buster, but it drops to the initramfs prompt because it can't find the logical volumes for partitions other than / and /boot. If I type vgchange -ay gw00b there and then Ctrl-D, it continues booting. How do I make sure, on future reboots, I don't have to do this?
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07:19<EmleyMoor>Does nobody know?
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07:22<EmleyMoor>(or, is this something I have now "done"?)
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07:27<EmleyMoor>... apparently it does need further action... but what/how?
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07:27<andrew_>where am I?\
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07:34<iobound>anyone using nagios-plugins-contrib on debian10 buster? The check_httpd_status script fails with "Bareword CRITICAL not allowed while strict subs in use"?
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07:39<cc>that looks like a generic perl error
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07:40<iobound>maybe the file's been broken for a long time? tried copying it to a debian9 host and that also complains. I wonder if this file was manually edited and had "use strict" commented out before my debian10 upgrade
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07:45<cc>commenting out the use strict definitely does not solve anything
07:45<cc>I think the problem is that this script depends on some other code
07:45<cc>and for some reason that code is not installed
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07:48<iobound>i fixed it by installing "libmonitoring-plugin-perl"
07:48<iobound>thanks for the hint
07:49<cc>hmm
07:49<iobound>i think i have recommends disabled in apt and that package is only listed in recommends, not depends
07:50<cc>looks like there was a bit of drama around this
07:50<cc>https://metacpan.org/pod/Nagios::Plugin if you are interested
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07:51<cc>this might be a part of it
07:51<iobound>yep, and the debian package only has it in "recommends". guess normal users won't experience the missing "libmonitoring-plugin-perl" but I get to keep both parts when I break things by disabling apt recommends
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07:52<cc>if you have time you should definitely file this as a bug
07:52<iobound>(i.e. I had 'APT::Install-Recommends "0";" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d).
07:52<cc>because that dependency there is a hard dependency
07:52<iobound>probably it's just a recommends because the nagios-plugins-contrib has a ton of different checks and maybe someone want to install the package and just use the non-perl plugins
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08:09<actionmystique>hi there. I use the testing distribution in /etc/apt/sources.list. A few days ago, apt update && apt upgrade offered me to upgrade to bullseye. I declined because I was not ready yet. Now that I am, there seems to be no more updates from bullseye anymore. What am I missing?
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08:27<jmcnaught>actionmystique_: bullseye hasn't really gotten started yet. You can ask about Debian testing in #debian-next, this channel is for Debian stable support. However you may want to stay with buster/stable for a little while, the period right after a stable release can be turbulent in testing.
08:28<petn-randall>actionmystique: migration hasn't been unblocked yet, so bullseye is pretty much the same as buster right now.
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08:36<jonathan_>what is the proper way to upgrade from debian stretch to debian buster
08:36<thsnr>!stretch->buster
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08:37<petn-randall>jonathan_: The release notes have an upgrade guide.
08:38<caioau>Hello! I want to protect myself agaisnt badUSB attacks, I tried badusb but only locked myself out of my system. I want to try again, you guys know how to use it property? Thanks!
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08:39<actionmystique>jmcnaught: petn-randall: then what would have happened if I had answered yes? has declining to upgrade the first time from buster no effect whatsoever, such as /etc file which could have been updated to reflect that?
08:39<gigagloin>Hi, I want to turn saslauthd into a service that gets restarted by systemd when it fails. So far I've figured out that I need to write a drop-in because it's a SysV-style service and that it's PIDFile resides in the postfix chroot. Does it suffice to add Restart=on-failure and PIDFile=/path to the drop-in? Are there any problems that could arise from doing this?
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08:43<petn-randall>actionmystique: Yes, nothing would have changed, including /etc/debian_version, which still is 10.0 in bullseye for now. This will likely change in the next days, though.
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08:58<actionmystique>petn-randall: thanks. Last question about linux: why is buster/bullseye stuck to 4.19 when Ubuntu has been using 5.0 for quite some time and the latest stable Linux tag is 5.1? I tried to compile the linux kernel from sources with make-kpkg but I'm hitting a wall with what appears to be an unsolved issue related to debian.specific packaging scripts. Has anyone been successful at building linux from sources to get debian b
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08:58<actionmystique>inaries?
09:00<petn-randall>actionmystique: 4.19 is what buster got release with, that's why there's no newer kernel yet. `make-kpkg` has been deprecated for some while now. The recommended way is to run `make debpkg` in the upstream source tree after configuring the kernel.
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09:00<petn-randall>actionmystique: Sorry, it's `make deb-pkg`.
09:01<petn-randall>actionmystique: See also https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html
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09:16<actionmystique>petn-randall: IIRC, make deb-pkg does not produce the same binary linux kernel packages as what is currently available on the official repos.
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09:34<supaman>hmm, just changed my sources.list to buster, did apt update and got an error http://paste.debian.net/1090760/
09:36<jmcnaught>supaman: for this when I was upgrading I simply moved /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50appstream to /root during the upgrade. In fact I believe the file was replaced with a newer version during the upgrade. Also don't forget to read the upgrade instructions, issues to be aware of etc. in the release notes!
09:36<supaman>ahh, a known thing ... ok, sorry didn't read the upgrad instructions
09:38<jmcnaught>supaman: the appstream error is not in the release notes but there are other things you may want to be aware of, and best practices to follow like running the upgrade inside a GNU screen session
09:44<petn-randall>actionmystique: That true, those in the repos have some Debian-specific patches, and also ship with Debian-specific config.
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09:48<sohmestra>Following an upgrade to buster, I'm encountering an error when attempting to use empathy with google talk.
09:48<sohmestra>The remote host appears to be responding with an intentionally invalid cert
09:48<sohmestra>with an OU: No SNI provided; please fix your client.
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09:49<sohmestra>does this just mean that empathy is broken w/respect to google talk, or is there a way to enable the use of SNI?
09:50<sohmestra>the account in use was set up via "online accounts" (GOA) in setup
09:51<sohmestra>so I don't get to look directly at any of the parameters
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09:54<sohmestra>no bugs seem to be reported related to this for empathy or libtelepathy-glib0
09:55<sohmestra>Just trying to determine if this is a known/expected problem, and if it is a bug, or some config issue.
09:57<gtristan>I am getting an error that I guess is very easy to fix and lots of people are getting, I just don't know how to fix it, I am getting "E: Repository 'http://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian buster InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable'"
09:57<gtristan>I want to "stay with buster", and my sources.list is very simple, and does not say "testing" https://bpaste.net/show/15e-
09:57<gtristan>How should I change it ?
09:58<jmcnaught>!apt suite changed
09:58<dpkg>If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
09:58<jmcnaught>gtristan: it's normal, you'll stay on buster if you run 'apt update' and accept the change
09:58<petn-randall>dpkg: apt suite changed ~= s/apt complain/apt will complain/
09:58<dpkg>petn-randall: i don't know
09:59<themill>=~
09:59<gtristan>jmcnaught, Thanks a lot for pointing me to that :D
09:59<gtristan>that worked fine
10:00<petn-randall>dpkg: apt suite changed =~ s/apt complain/apt will complain/
10:00<dpkg>petn-randall: that doesn't contain 'apt complain'
10:01<petn-randall>themill: Ah, good catch
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10:02<themill>petn-randall: (greycat changed it elsewhere)
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10:07<actionmystique>petn-randall: no I meant some binary packages are missing with <make deb-pkg>. Anyhow, trying to compile v5.0 with <make -j 4 deb-pkg> leads to: AR kernel/built-in.a - make[2]: *** [debian/rules:4: build] Error 2 - dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2 - make[1]: *** [scripts/package/Makefile:74: deb-pkg] Error 2 - make: *** [Makefile:1390: deb-pkg] Error 2
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10:08<petn-randall>actionmystique: Can you paste the full output to https://paste.debian.net? Where did you get the source tree from?
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10:10<actionmystique>petn-randall: linus': https://github.com/torvalds/linux ; whole build log: https://paste.gnome.org/p7cfu3b3m
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10:11<cc>so release notes said that debian is now secureboot-compatible, but that doesn't cover the non-free kernel modules, right?
10:12<cc>if I install nvidia-driver in a fresh install, it won't be loadable
10:12<cc>right?
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10:14<actionmystique>petn-randall: to be absolutely complete, before compiling, there is <cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config; make olddefconfig> which leads to https://paste.gnome.org/pyswyx8hr
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10:16<petn-randall>actionmystique: Yeah, that doesn't work, as you don't have the signing key for Debian kernels. See https://paste.gnome.org/p7cfu3b3m#line-209.
10:16<petn-randall>actionmystique: You need to disable that setting in your `make menuconfig`.
10:17<tarzeau>i run apt-get install openrc; and it tells me to: for file in /etc/rc0.d/K*; do s=`basename $(readlink "$file")` ; /etc/init.d/$s stop; done, which i did, and it hangs at: [....] Stopping networking (via systemctl): networking.service
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10:23<petn-randall>tarzeau: Did you do that over SSH?
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10:25<tarzeau>petn-randall: sure
10:26<tarzeau>and i still have: /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
10:26<tarzeau>openrc didn't tell me i should do that stuff on a local console
10:26<tarzeau>oh maybe should've used a gnu screen
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10:27<tarzeau>and /etc/inittab didn't magically reappear
10:27<tarzeau>!openrc
10:27<dpkg>OpenRC is a dependency based init system originated from <gentoo>. https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC
10:27<petn-randall>tarzeau: Well, then the last thing you'll see is it trying to disable the network .... :)
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10:28<jh>hello
10:28<petn-randall>hi jh
10:28<tarzeau>there should be a release note on "installing openrc properly"
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10:29<petn-randall>tarzeau: Possibly. Are you volunteering? ;)
10:29<tarzeau>sure, can teh release note for buster still be changed?
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10:29<tarzeau>by non dd people?
10:29<petn-randall>tarzeau: AFAIK you can propose updates at any time, they need to get acked by the release team, anyway.
10:29<tarzeau>but systemd people will hate me?
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10:30<petn-randall>Highly doubt it, sysvinit is still somewhat supported.
10:30<petn-randall>*even sysvinit
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10:36<EmleyMoor>There may yet have to be a release note concerning lvm, thanks to bug 931628
10:36<bremner>tarzeau: can openrc be installed in buster without scary steps like removing essential packages?
10:37<tarzeau>bremner: i was able to run apt-get install openrc, it just did it but told me some stuff
10:38<bremner>OK.
10:38<tarzeau>we just did a pxe preseeded install to check if the preseeding still works (check, it does)
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10:38<tarzeau>so i have a spare install to destroy
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10:59<madden>Hello, I was wondering when the vagrant images (https://app.vagrantup.com/debian) and docker images (https://hub.docker.com/_/debian/) would be updated for the Debian 10 release?
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11:00<petn-randall>madden: I guess they get updated once a month or so. Is there an issue with the current snapshots?
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11:01<madden>The current images do work, but they're based on pre-release version of Debian 10.
11:02<madden>I thought they may get updated along with all the other Debian 10 artifacts?
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11:05<petn-randall>Not sure, seems as though they only get updated once a month-ish.
11:06<madden>Thanks. I'll periodically check for updated images.
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11:36<pomme>Hello.
11:36<pomme>I have a bug with kmail since update from stretch to buster.
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11:37<pomme>It crashes when I click on mail to see them, someone has the same problem?
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11:41<petn-randall>pomme: Can you try running kmail from the command line? And share any output to https://paste.debian.net?
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11:43<actionmystique>petn-randall: yes, commenting out the line containing CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS=... works around this issue. But as I said before, it only builds 4 binaries (linux-headers-5.0.0, linux-libc-dev, linux-image-5.0.0 & linux-image-5.0.0-dbg), as opposed to ~ 20 binaries for 4.19.0-5.
11:44<jelly>,kernels
11:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
11:44<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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11:49<pomme>I ran kmail in command line and I got: https://framabin.org/p/?5b36c3a9f9a821e4#+Iw1rE2qt1nQp8W2H6tu8MRew+VQQYlZUSRODC2s3J4=
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11:52<petn-randall>actionmystique: Indeed. However the source package in Debian is built differently, and most of those packages are specific to the debian-installer. So what you get out of the upstream build is pretty close to what to expect at some point in Debian.
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11:59<supaman>well this is strange, since upgrading to buster Gnome has disabled alt-tab in the sense that I have chosen in gnome-tweaks to have focus follow the mouse, but now the focus is always on the mouse, even after I press alt-tab to go to another window
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12:03<actionmystique>petn-randall: packages like the signed linux-image-5.0-amd64, linux-doc, linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86, linux-kbuild-5.0, linux-perf-5.0 & linux-support-5.0 are missing. So I really wonder how much damage installing the 4 binaries could do to the target system when so many other upgrades are missing.
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12:07<actionmystique>petn-randall: could Debian open source its own special way of building the linux kernel so we could achieve the same result as far as the binaries are concerned, but take our chances with a newer kernel?
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12:14<annadane>apropos of nothing, but is there a list of trusted debian repositories that aren't a bad idea to add? i know WINE is one, but...
12:15<annadane>or i should say trusted 3rd party repositories
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12:15<petn-randall>annadane: It's hard to say, because some 3rd party repos get maintained for a while and then drop out of maintainence, and then become a bad thing to add.
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12:20<lsjet>A "trusted" repository would mean different things to different people. Not everyone trusts the same things.
12:21<annadane>no, of course
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12:26<pomme>Hello
12:27<pomme>I have big bug with kmail since update from stretch to buster
12:27<pomme>The trace is here: https://framabin.org/p/?704bbbcf532d5416#hM9uAvOGht/PoLTt9ooG3YYXwndmnTXSyvZaoKlnToo=
12:29<petn-randall>pomme: The trace is not viewable without JS, which is why I recommended https://paste.debian.net. Did you cleanly upgrade to buster? This looks like it could be caused by old libraries.
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12:30<pomme>petn-randall: Here is the debian paste https://paste.debian.net/1090798/. How can I check if my update is clean?
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12:31<petn-randall>!bat
12:31<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:33<petn-randall>pomme: Can you provide all of the above? For step 2 `apt-cache policy kmail libqt5webenginecore5` is enough.
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12:34<sam_>hey there
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12:35<sam_>is debian 10 is launched?
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12:36<EmleyMoor>sam_: Yes
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12:37<nikos>Apparently noones told tracker.d.o that stretch is no longer stable
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12:37<sam_>identify
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12:38<sam_>debian or mint which is good
12:39<EmleyMoor>I'd always recommend Debian rather than something "bod"
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12:40<annadane>i don't know enough about mint to answer
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12:41<EmleyMoor>I know enough about Mint to know I'm not interested in knowing more about it - that's all
12:41<petn-randall>sam_: You can trivially find that info on the debian main page.
12:42<pomme>petn-randall: here is the info: https://paste.debian.net/1090805/
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12:45<sam_>haha just messing and wanted to know that anybody have an extra piece of info
12:45<sam_>i used both mint as well as debian
12:46<petn-randall>sam_: What kind of answer do you expect from a Debian channel?
12:47<sam_>just wanted to know that why debian is good
12:47<petn-randall>pomme: That's only step 2, can you also paste step 1 and 3?
12:47<petn-randall>!why debian
12:47<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
12:47<annadane>to be fair which linux distro isn't upgradable? =P
12:47<pomme>petn-randall: Normally step 3 is in the same paste. But I do agree for step 1 but I do not paste it because I did not understand what to do.
12:48<petn-randall>pomme: `apt-cache policy kmail libqt5webenginecore5` and `apt-cache policy` create different output.
12:48<petn-randall>pomme: For 1 `apt update && apt dist-upgrade` would be great.
12:49<pomme>petn-randall: Ok I understood! I will do it :D
12:49<sam_>but in view of driver compatibility and in built softwares mint is good
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12:52<pomme>petn-randall: Normally all steps are in this: https://paste.debian.net/1090806/
12:55<petn-randall>pomme: Looks like a genuine bug. You can use the reportbug tool if you don't find it already reported in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=kmail;dist=unstable.
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12:59<pomme>petn-randall: Roger that! I will try to examine the code (apparently abstime for __pthread_cond_wait_common is NULL and find why it is NULL).
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13:03<pomme>petn-randall: By the way thank you for the help :)
13:04<petn-randall>pomme: You're welcome! :)
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13:10<pomme>petn-randall: Apparently my bug can be related to some others bugs. There is thins interessting comment related to related bugs https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388050#c1
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13:12<pomme>petn-randall: Do you have some information about OpenGL?
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13:14<petn-randall>pomme: Not really, pretty rusty on that subject.
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13:15<pomme>petn-randall: Ok, I will try to find information on this subject. Before I will install kernel 4.19 (I am still in 4.9 and I do know why), maybe this can magically helps lol...
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14:05<doro>Just updated from Debian 9 to 10, and I have an issue that the Trackpoint on my Lenovo T530 is much too quick. Only found a solution in the internet with using a tool called TPconfig, where I can set the speed. Does anybody know how to change the speed by standard settings under XFCE?
14:06<doro>Seems to be a bug to me.
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14:17<wannabe-mirror>svtplay-dl gives an index out of bounds error. this is not a debian-specific issue, however
14:17<EmleyMoor>I've got a spare, older but specwise identical hard disk that I could put in my laptop to do a fresh setup of buster, preserving the stretch setup - any serious cons to this idea?
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14:23<lsjet>EmleyMoor, no. That's a good way to preserve your existing install in case you run into a show stopping issues.
14:23<EmleyMoor>lsjet: I thought so.
14:24<EmleyMoor>I'm currently stalled, upgrades-wise, due to bug 931628. I could nevertheless go ahead with my laptop
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14:24<lsjet>EmleyMoor, I suppose there's a chance you could lose the screws to your laptop while swapping drives, but it should be a minor concern. :)
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14:25*EmleyMoor is used to that - as a computer engineer with a neuromuscular disorder
14:26<lsjet>I've gotten to where I don't even try to avoid losing them any longer. One less screw to take out next time.
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14:36<luna_>Now its compiling Firefox 68 and Firefox 18 (iOS) gonna be released tommorow 18:00 Swedish time
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15:13<Battaglin>all buster edu iso torrents are dead ?
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15:16<petn-randall>Battaglin: Why? Those linked from the edu page seem to download fine for me.
15:16<petn-randall>Oh, torrents.
15:17<petn-randall>Just use the regular download link. There should be a http seed on those torrents, anyway.
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15:19<Battaglin>yea
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15:22<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: You can get a supply of the right size screws. The trick is getting them in batches of less than 10,000.
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15:27<luna_>Soon Debian 10, Debconf and Debcamp meeting
15:28<vursu>hey guys, i'm running debian buster and I would like to use lxd. the easiest way seems to use the snap package but i'm getting "/snap/lxd/current/bin/lxd: error while loading shared libraries". searching online seems to indicate that it's a problem with apparmor. do you guys have any idea how I can fix this?
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15:58<lunar>Hi guys, how install steam in debian
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16:51<omni>a couple of left-over packages: libgdbm3 libcryptsetup4 gcc-6-base libdns-export162 perl-modules-5.24 host libprocps6 libisc-export160 libssl1.0.2 libunistring0
16:52<omni>after 'apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade; apt --purge autoremove'
16:52<rocha>Does anyone use parrot linux?
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16:53<omni>found with apt-forktracer (or aptitude search '~o')
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16:54<rocha>I have compiled the kernel but I can not raise it ...
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16:56<EmleyMoor>!parrot
16:56<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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16:57<EmleyMoor>Good grief, my USB multiboot stick now holds nearly 18GB!
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16:58<EmleyMoor>(the buster netinstall is among that lot!)
17:00<rocha>thanks
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17:01<yacoub>hi
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17:04<rwp>,v mkisofs
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17:06<rocha># join parrot
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17:07<amacater>!parrot
17:07<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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17:09<blast007>rocha: you're on the wrong IRC network as well. This if OFTC, you want Freenode.
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17:25<stingertor>I think I found a bug in the secure-delete package in buster that was not in stretch. anyone got about 5 to 10 mins to see if they can replicate it?
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17:52<screay>i installed debian 10. i cant find add new folder or system icon to desktop. Has this feature been removed?
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18:04<jealousmonk>Hello! I'm having some trouble with initramfs-tools after upgrading to buster. Here are the errors:
18:04<jealousmonk>pigz: abort: write error on <stdout> (No space left on device)
18:05<jealousmonk>E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 pigz 28
18:05<petn-randall>!paste
18:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
18:05<petn-randall>jealousmonk: Did you notice, that there is no space left on the device?
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18:06<jealousmonk>I have 1,5G available in "/" and 29M in "boot"
18:07<dabbler>petn-randall: jealousmonk only pasted 2 lines
18:07<jealousmonk>Do I need more space?
18:07<dabbler>jealousmonk: probably on /boot
18:07<petn-randall>dabbler: I was expecting it to continue.
18:08<dabbler>petn-randall: ah
18:08<dabbler>jealousmonk: see how many old kernel versions you have still installed
18:08<petn-randall>jealousmonk: You need more space on /boot, easiest way is to uninstall unused kernels.
18:09<jealousmonk>Only the current. I'll probably need to resize the boot partition :-(
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18:10<petn-randall>jealousmonk: How large is it in total?
18:10<jealousmonk>88M
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18:11<petn-randall>jealousmonk: I think also the initramfs size grew quite a bit with buster, so if it was very tight before it won't be enough now.
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18:13<dabbler>jealousmonk: oh, that's much too small for comfortable ongoing use. unless you're really pressed for space, i'd do at least 200 MiB
18:13<dabbler>and many people would do more
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18:17*petn-randall just went with 512 MB
18:17<dabbler>petn-randall: 👍
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18:24<jealousmonk>I already had problems with the boot size before. 512 MB seems fine!
18:25<jealousmonk>Thank you all
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18:40<TobiX>jealousmonk: As another data point: On my current Laptop I have 3 recent kernels+initramfs, which takes 165MB on /boot
18:41<TobiX>And I already put "MODULES=dep" into /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (or is that the default nowadays?)
18:42<petn-randall>IIRC current initramfs contains openssl for LUKS, which makes the size increase drastically.
18:44<jealousmonk>Tobix: Good to know! Thanks!
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18:45<srabonx>hey
18:45<srabonx>anyone's here
18:45<petn-randall>srabonx: A few hundred people, yes.
18:46<sarnold>srabonx: normally people are quiet unless there's something to discuss ;)
18:46<srabonx>I see, I am new here.
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18:47<srabonx>Mehmet
18:47<srabonx>lol
18:48<petn-randall>srabonx: No worries, we all started out as newbies. This channel is about Debian support, btw. Do you have a support question?
18:48<srabonx>Yes
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18:48<srabonx>I can't install rl3290 bluetooth
18:48<srabonx>I tried so hard
18:48<srabonx>But I couldn't
18:48<srabonx>I am still working on that
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18:48<srabonx>Mehmet, sen turk musun?
18:49<petn-randall>!tr
18:49<dpkg>rumour has it, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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18:49<petn-randall>Eh, looks like the encoding is broken. :/
18:49<srabonx>yeah
18:49<srabonx>It can't write some of the Turkish alphabet.
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18:50<mehmet>evet turkum.
18:50<petn-randall>I actually meant the factoid from the bot dpkg.
18:51<srabonx>@petn-randall I see.
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19:00<sqrt{not}>srabonx: did you install the package firmware-misc-nonfree ?
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19:05<srabonx>How can I install that?
19:05<srabonx>I am new on Linux
19:05<srabonx>Last time i installed a linux based OS back in 2010.
19:06<petn-randall>srabonx: Are you running Debian or another OS?
19:06<srabonx>MX linux Debian
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19:07<binaryhermit>that's not debian
19:07<srabonx>:/
19:07<srabonx>Debian itself an OS
19:07<srabonx>I didn't know that
19:07<binaryhermit>right
19:07<srabonx>But MX Linux is debian based OS
19:07<srabonx>Is that correct?
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19:08<petn-randall>yes
19:09<srabonx>So how can I enable bluetooth on my HP 4440s
19:09<srabonx>I installed Blueman
19:09<srabonx>Bluez
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19:10<srabonx>But it always says " No default controller found"
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19:13<srabonx>The built-in bluetooth isn't working. But When I am connecting a USB bluetooth dongle, it's working fine.
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19:14<srabonx>Should I post on MX forum? I don't know what to do.
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19:16<petn-randall>srabonx: Your best luck would be asking in the mx forum, yeah.
19:16<bremner>!mx
19:16<dpkg>rumour has it, mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
19:16<petn-randall>!mx linux
19:16<bremner>oops
19:16<srabonx>lol
19:17<petn-randall>!mx linux
19:17<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
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19:17<srabonx>!Bangladesh
19:17<petn-randall>srabonx: This is their forum. ^^^
19:18<srabonx>Ah, thanks, I will do that.
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19:19<petn-randall>you're welcome :)
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19:26<sqrt{not}>!Antix
19:26<dpkg>antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( https://antixlinux.com/ ). It is related to MX Linux ( https://mxlinux.org/ ) which have support only in the form of forums https://www.antixforum.com/ and https://forum.mxlinux.org/ if you want IRC support, use a better supported distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here.
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19:59<ripperda>Hello, I have a question about doing a debian upgrade and how to approach this
20:00<ripperda>I have a debian 9 system that I installed as i386, due to some applications that I needed. I now want to update to x86-64, but not sure if there's a good migration approach or just reinstalling from scratch is the best route
20:01<ripperda>I suspect reinstalling from scratch is the easiest route. Normally, when I install, I have separate / and /home partitions, to make such updates easier and isolate my data. However, they are currently on a shared encrypted volume
20:01<ripperda>I'm wondering if there are any guides or advice on how to do an update and not lose my /home volume?
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20:07<petn-randall>ripperda: A fresh install is the easiest and safest way.
20:07<ripperda>thanks, that's what I figured
20:07<petn-randall>ripperda: Crossgrading _is_ possible, but not officially supported and quite error-prone.
20:07<petn-randall>ripperda: Your safest bet is to backup your data and install it fresh.
20:08<ripperda>I'm generally pretty Linux savy, but have only used logical/encrypted volumes a little. will it be easy to isolate which volumes get formatted?
20:09<petn-randall>ripperda: It's possible in the installer, though you might want to wipe the LUKS and use LUKS2 when you're already doing a fresh reinstall.
20:10<ripperda>ok. I'll work on tarring everything up and copying to another system while I update
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22:28<hazard>hi all
22:29<hazard>i got a little problem with da wifi driver in my compaq presario v3000, any idea to fix it?? thx
22:29<jmcnaught>what is the problem?
22:30<hazard>i don't have wifi just throgh ethernet
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22:30<hazard>and i guess it is a matter of drivers
22:31<jmcnaught>hazard: if you run 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' as root does it complain about missing firmwares?
22:31<hazard>let me check
22:34<hazard>it looks like there are some missed firmwares
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22:35<jmcnaught>What are their names? Can you show on https://paste.debian.net/ ?
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22:51<andmyaxe>For upgrading from stretch to buster, do I need to do anything special if /etc/apt/sources.list was generated by cloud-init? The comment at the top says "modifications made here will not survive a re-bundle"
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23:35<nahualt>hola
23:36<nahualt>alguien que me ayude con la clave de root linux mx
23:36<sarnold>nahualt: I think https://forum.mxlinux.org/ is the place to go
23:38<nahualt>thank you in spanish
23:38<nahualt>forum
23:40<sarnold>XD
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23:48<wylel>What is the plan to support updated packages in the future in Buster, primarily PHP, where it was a debate in backporting for newer versions, rather than staying on 7.0 for Stretch?
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23:56<sdk>wylel: Did you try asking on the PHP maintains' mailinglist?
23:56<wylel>I have not yet, but will do that now.
23:57<sdk>;)
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