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00:21<user_>Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Parrot "stable" 4.7 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz (500MHz) • Memory: Physical: 22.5 GiB Total (20.2 GiB Free) Swap: 23.0 GiB Total (23.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 0 bytes / 0 bytes (0 bytes Free) • Uptime: 1h 8m 17s
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00:55<debianaut>mq are you having issues with dpkg by any chance?
00:55<debianaut>Also, has anyone noticed that amarok music player has dissapeared from the repos?
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00:58<annadane>dpkg, why isn't amarok in buster
00:58<dpkg>annadane: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
00:58<annadane>judd, why isn't amarok in buster
00:58<judd>No package named 'isn't' was found in buster/amd64.
00:58<annadane>never mind...
01:00<debianaut>can you guys confirm that you also don't have amarok available? All that is listed is ammarok-common amarok-doc amarok-utils
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01:01<jm_>debianaut: it hasn't, it was just removed from buster when it was testing, see bug 784448
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01:05<debianaut_>jm_: thanks for that :)
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02:10<cupcake90>Hi I have recently installed Debian 10 stable the command xinput is missing is it replaced by new command anyone?
02:12<jm_>have you installed the xinput package?
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02:44<cupcake90>jm_: sorry for the stupid question apt gave me error because it was not updated I checked again fixed problem
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02:47<cupcake90>I am actually checking a different issue I cant disable touchpad on external mouse connection no option on xfce gui added this on conf do i need a rebboot for this to effect libinput Option "SendEventsMode" "disabled-on-external-mouse"
02:47<cupcake90>Option "SendEventsMode" "disabled-on-external-mouse"
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02:50<Mikaela>Hi, I am wondering what is debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-standard.iso ? It's 33 K while gnome which I think it could be is 47 K. I didn't find the page where this should be documented
02:50<Mikaela>I am looking at https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/
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02:51<jm_>those are .torrent files, not ISO images
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02:51<Mikaela>What does the standard mean here and how does it differ from the others?
02:52<jm_>you mean what's included in each .iso?
02:52<kingdinos>hello :')
02:52<jm_>!cd contents
02:52<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
02:52<Mikaela>Yes, the others are self-explanatory
02:52<kingdinos>can you help me
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02:54<Mikaela>Thanks, I guess I am not curious enough to dig deeper into standard vs gnome or others
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02:55<jm_>probably if you just download .list files and use a diff tool it would be the easiest
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02:58<Mikaela>From https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/ ? It has different options again
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03:01<jm_>yeah that's not for -live, I suppose the files here will do https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/source/tar/
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03:05<Mikaela>Thanks, it seems that gnome contains a lot more packages while standard seems more minimal
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03:19<EmleyMoor>My laptop says "Started GNOME Display Manager" but there's no sign of it. How do I find out why?
03:19<EmleyMoor>Terminals 2-6 are awaiting login
03:21<EmleyMoor>The Radeon driver0 has been chosen, I would say correctly...
03:22<EmleyMoor>It's also trying (and failing) to start in Framebuffer mode
03:23<EmleyMoor>Will pastebin my Xorg log
03:24<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.nen/1091213/
03:24<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1091213/ even
03:25<jm_>shouldn't gnome use wayland with buster?
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03:26<EmleyMoor>jm_: Should/shouldn't it? Relevasce to my problem and how to rectify?
03:26<EmleyMoor>Relevance*
03:27<jm_>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#wayland-by-default-on-gnome
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03:28<EmleyMoor>OK, that's good, but how do I get to it?
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03:29<jm_>is there no choice on gdm login screen?
03:29<EmleyMoor>There's no gdm login screen
03:30<jm_>ahh of course, bummer
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03:31<sezuan>&1
03:31<EmleyMoor>xwayland is installed, maybe that's what is actually being used... or maybe not.
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03:32<EmleyMoor>I think it is... still, the question is not so much what as how
03:32<jm_>maybe try to find gdm's log
03:32<EmleyMoor>jm_: No log written
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03:33<jm_>EmleyMoor: there's nothing even in systemd's journal for gdm?
03:33<EmleyMoor>dmesg
03:33<EmleyMoor>Oops
03:34<EmleyMoor>Was just quickly checking that for hints
03:35<EmleyMoor>AS for systemd's jouernal, where's that?
03:36<EmleyMoor>My typing is a bit flaky today
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03:37<jm_>journalctl -u unit.name
03:38<EmleyMoor>-- No entries --
03:39<EmleyMoor>(unless my guess at the unit name is somehow wrong in a way that would produce that)
03:40<jm_>systemctl -l|grep -i gdm
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03:41<EmleyMoor>Ah... not very useful I think... but will pastebin
03:42<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1091215/
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03:46<EmleyMoor>I am also trying to put my console keyboard layout right... I tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but it came out in mixed language and with a lot of incomprehensible characters
03:48<EmleyMoor>I don't want these to be "show stoppers" but there is a severe risk of this the way things are going
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03:52<EmleyMoor>What I mean by mixed language: English at the top, but lots of use of the words "tecles", "portàtil", "Generies", "sleutel" etc. in the choices
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03:56<arduino>anyone is here to help me
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03:59<TjackNoire>Hi! I've recently preformed a fresh install of Debian 10 and have started using nftables instead of iptables. I've enabled nftables.service to automatically apply my rules on startup, which seems to work. When I boot however, additional tables are added for all of the network types (ip, ip6, etc) with a default policy of accept. This is a concern for me, since the firewall restrictions I've
03:59<TjackNoire>configured are effectively useless. Has anyone else experienced this issue and is there any way to debug what, if not nftables.service which looks fairly simple, is adding these additional tables? To clarify, if I run "nft -f /etc/nftables.conf" again after boot, the rules are restored as expected without the additional tables and chains
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04:01<duclicsic>TjackNoire: can you show the ruleset that is created on boot? 'nft -nn list ruleset' in a pastebin?
04:02<duclicsic>TjackNoire: I'd wonder if you maybe have something like iptables-persistent installed
04:02<EmleyMoor>I have to go out soon... when I come back I will only have about 4 hours before "backout time" to get this laptop up correctly
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04:04<TjackNoire>duclicsic: No iptables-persistent or netfilter-persistent. Will include a paste of systemd service list and nftables rules
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04:11<duclicsic>TjackNoire: most likely it's something you've installed which is invoking iptables, which in buster means it's running iptables-nft, thus creating a base set of chains/tables that are meant to mirror those in legacy iptables.
04:11<TjackNoire>duclicsic: Services - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ed545c2b/ , nftables.conf - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/769ab316/
04:11<TjackNoire>libvirt seems like a likely victim
04:12<duclicsic>I didn't want your nftables.conf, I wanted the output from 'nft -nn list ruleset' after booting
04:12<TjackNoire>I don't see the issue on another host running without it
04:12<TjackNoire>Aaa - I see, give me a moment
04:12<duclicsic>but yes, chances are libvirt is doing things with iptables
04:13<TjackNoire>I've disabled the internal networking, but who knows if it is doing something else thats nasty
04:13<TjackNoire>in libvirt that is
04:13<duclicsic>this is one reason why I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to switch over to nftables by default yet
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04:14<TjackNoire>Yup, can confirm - I've restarted libvirtd.service and the evil tables and chains are automatically added
04:15<duclicsic>cool. god I hate things that just blindly add rules like that.
04:15<TjackNoire>Quite dangerous, especially if the host is routing
04:15<duclicsic>indeed
04:16<duclicsic>hopefully there's a way to configure it not to do that
04:16<TjackNoire>Should I file a bug? Never done it before in Debian. Will look into the configuration and see if there are any saner default that could be set
04:18<duclicsic>I don't see why not.. The maintainers/developers may not share my opinion that doing that is bloody stupid though :p
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04:46<codesnippy>Hi I have just upgraded my stretch debian to Buster. Now I have a problem with my .xsessionrc file. Buster does not seam to run it. If I run the .xsessionrc in a terminal by hand it works fine. Any help would be appreciated. my .xsessionrc file is only connecting 2 fileservers via sshfs
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05:26<cpaelzer>bzed: hiho and thanks for starting the gpsd 3.18 work
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05:38<daifuco>hi using buster here. I would like to try a different kernel. Trying to use backports for that matter but apt not happy with: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free
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05:45<daifuco>it looks like buster-backports does not exist at all?
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05:48<jm_>not yet, why do you want a different kernel?
05:49<daifuco>jm_ I might be wrong but it looks like steam does not run with the default kernel.
05:50<daifuco>linus himself posted a patch https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6326#issuecomment-504606826
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05:55<duclicsic>daishan: steam appears to work for me
05:55<jm_>daifuco: yeah I suppose the kernel with that fix will be available soon
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07:09<EmleyMoor>OK, situation with my laptop: gdm3 not starting, also console keyboard layout wrong, mixed language list of keyboards in "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and sshd not running. Any help with solving any one of these would be good.
07:09<EmleyMoor>Xorg/gdm related logs:
07:10<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1091213/ and 1091215
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07:28<EmleyMoor>Anything I can/should do to help track down my issues?
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07:49<codesnippy>Hi I have just upgraded my stretch debian to Buster. Now I have a problem with my .xsessionrc file. Buster does not seam to run it. If I run the .xsessionrc in a terminal by hand it works fine. Any help would be appreciated. my .xsessionrc file is only connecting 2 fileservers via sshfs
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07:56<mq>i wonder why debian 10 has xorg.log files
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07:57<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... something has *badly* broken my laptop now
07:57<EmleyMoor>Having to force a reinstall
07:57<EmleyMoor>(and if this doesn't work it will be rollback time)
07:58<EmleyMoor>mq: Maybe that's what they're called for compatibility reasons
08:00<mq>so a version of x-server is still running alongside wayland?
08:00<supaman>codesnippy: I guess this is because debian changed from Xorg to Wayland, Wayland doesn't read xorg files
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08:04<EmleyMoor>On a new install, can /usr be on a filesystem of its own or should it be kept with /
08:04<EmleyMoor>L?
08:04<EmleyMoor>?
08:06<rcf>EmleyMoor: the default nowadays is keep it on /.
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08:08<EmleyMoor>rcf: Yes, that's "the default" but is the reason for it "technical"? (like the same as the reason you can't split /etc off?)
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08:11<mq>i am trying to find log entries from a unit that seems to fail at shutdown and i can't find it. Journald seems to only display entries from current boot
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08:30<don>hi all, just enabled buster-backports in /etc/apt/sources.list, ran a sudo apt update (updated from buster-backports repo ok)when I perform an apt search -t buster-backports 'package' I get the error 'E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources' any ideas thanks :)
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09:06<mq>can a script executed by a process with privileges authenticate with ssh-keys to another machine?
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09:24<wolfmannight>Hi
09:25<wolfmannight>Can I install gnome-control-center without desktop-base ?
09:26<cc>isnt desktop-base something really small
09:26<cc>like a set of wallpapers or something
09:27<cc>why are you opposed to installing it
09:27<wolfmannight>yahh but I'm building custom iso.. and it put debian wallpapers and other stuff
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09:43<petn-randall>don: If you check https://backports.debian.org you'll notice that buster-backports doesn't exist yet.
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09:49<lbr>petn-randall, do you know when backports are usually created after release is promoted to stable?
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10:06<themill>buster-backports exists, it just isn't accepting any uploads yet
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10:20<EmleyMoor>Having one last ditch attempt to get buster onto my laptop
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10:21<jerzey>@emley goodluck
10:21<EmleyMoor>If it fails I'll need to roll it back as I need it "in working order" tomorrow
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10:22<bremner>ccccccfriblgcnfrcgnduufdtuirifghebkrrvncdvjd
10:22<bremner>greets from my yubikey
10:22<codesnippy>What is the best way to auto connect sshfs on login for a user. I used to do it via .xsessionrc but. In my freshly installed buster this does not seem to work any longer
10:22<lsjet>bremner, easy for you to say
10:23<EmleyMoor>codesnippy: Needs to be for a user, not system-wide?
10:23<bremner>codesnippy: did you maybe switch to running Wayland in Gnome?
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10:25<rcf>codesnippy: a user systemd service would do it.
10:26<codesnippy>emleymoor It needs to be for a user not system wide
10:26<codesnippy>bremner how can i check if i am running wayland? I did a fresh install and choose Gnome
10:27<bremner>then yes, you're running wayland, afaik
10:27<bremner>maybe some gnome startup thingy can help. Or a systemd user service as others mentioned
10:28<codesnippy>what is the wayland equivalent to .xsessionrc
10:29*ppc64 wanders in with coffee cup in hand
10:30<bremner>I'm not sure it exists
10:30<bremner>(other than what was already mentioned)
10:30<ppc64>codesnippy: how is wayland working for you ? just curious as Xwindows has always been "good enough" but wanted to look into Wayland some day
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10:32<wolfmannight>I wanna download whole http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ for offline mirror
10:32<wolfmannight>any command ?
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10:32<themill>wolfmannight: what are you seeking to achieve?
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10:33<themill>(the archive is ~3 TB and there's no need for you to waste donated bandwidth)
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10:35<codesnippy>ppc64 I did not know i was running it until just now :p lol. I see no difference. The only difference i am currently experiencing is that buster seems to boot faster as stratch
10:35<wolfmannight>i'm building custom iso , everytime it compile iso remove cached files and again download packages...
10:35<pax>hi to all. I´d like to upgrade my debian 9.9 to 10. Do I have to modify the repositories in the original source.list file to buster release?
10:36<wolfmannight>live-build has option to provide local mirror
10:36<ppc64>pax: you should be able to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
10:36<themill>wolfmannight: you don't really need to mirror all of ftp.d.o then, you just need a cache of the packages you're using
10:37<themill>pax: the release notes go through the process
10:37<ppc64>pax: if you are brave you can put in deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
10:37<ppc64>pax: or change sid to buster or bullseye or whatever
10:37<themill>err no
10:37<wolfmannight>it doesn't build iso without starting from start
10:38<wolfmannight>i search lot
10:38<ppc64>pax: so do you have something sane in /etc/apt/sources.list ??
10:38<wolfmannight>no command to generate iso from cached files
10:38<themill>wolfmannight: use something like apt-cacher-ng and set http_proxy to point at it when you build the ISO
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10:39<wolfmannight>cool, thanks for help
10:40*ppc64 wonders what happened there ... anyways
10:41<ppc64>so anyone know why systemctl status degraded due to systemd-modules-load.service loaded failed means ?? https://termbin.com/x4ck
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10:47<wolfmannight>themill: one more question, can i install package without additional dependencies using apt-get
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10:49<themill>dependencies have to be satisfied
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10:51<jonathan_>no dependencies are a requirement in debian for any package
10:52<somiaj>ppc64: do you have modules listed in /etc/modules or /etc/modules-load.d/ that have not been loaded at boot?
10:52<jmcnaught>ppc64: for bullseye/sid you should be in #debian-next. Check 'journalctl -u systemd-modules-load.service'
10:52<somiaj>you can also run systemctl status systemd-modules-load and see why it failed.
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10:53<wolfmannight>themill: I wanna install gnome-control-center without desktop-base
10:53<themill>then you're out of luck
10:53<ppc64>somiaj: thank you .. sorry
10:53<ppc64>jmcnaught: thank you Sir .. will do
10:53<wolfmannight>I'm able to do it with "dpkg --force-all -i " with deb package
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10:53<themill>wolfmannight: no
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10:53<somiaj>wolfmannight: that sounds like a way to break your system.
10:54<wolfmannight>I seen in desktop-base there are only wallpapers and images for grub and gnome
10:55<wolfmannight>system use default wallpapers and images without desktop-base
10:55<themill>wolfmannight: whether you (or I) can see why it is a dependency is irrelevant. It is a dependency.
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10:57<wolfmannight>in apt it says "The following additional packages will be installed: desktop-base" is it consider as dependency ?
10:57<themill>it is a dependency
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10:57<wolfmannight>ohh.. okey thanks for information @themill
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11:12*ppc64 glares at damn NVidia Jul 11 14:04:36 titan systemd-modules-load[595]: Error running install command for nvidia_drm
11:15<somiaj>did you rebuild nvidia modules for the new kernel, also are you using debian's nvidia packages?
11:16<ppc64>well really .. this is a frankendebian
11:17<ppc64>I know that the issue is .. I think
11:17<somiaj>then you probably shoudln't be asking for support on debian channels, espically one for debian stable.,
11:17*ppc64 tasers himself
11:18<ppc64>I think I can be cut a bit of slack here
11:18<ppc64>this is pure debian and it is debian sid however
11:18*annadane gives ppc64 a fresh copy of Slackware
11:18<ppc64>also yes those are debian pkgs
11:18<somiaj>you have been directed to #debian-next for bullseye/sid
11:18<ppc64>Slackware .. ah ha ha ha .. okay .. good one
11:19<ppc64>somiaj: yes .. you are a good gatekeeper
11:19<somiaj>but mixing debian releases is not supported (not debian-next does support mixign testing/unstable, but that is because they are close)
11:20<somiaj>s/not/note/
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11:20<ppc64>this machine was installed with Debian GNU/Linux testing _Buster_ - Official Snapshot amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20190422-03:48
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11:20<ppc64>so really I should just flush it down to the ground and wipe it and start over
11:21<ppc64>however I am a big fan of current releases from 'testing' and 'experimental' on some machines and VMware vms and such
11:21*ppc64 hugs https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/
11:22<somiaj>experimental is not a release, but even then, sounds like you want to be in #debian-next for support
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11:23<ppc64>somiaj: well I am not really looking for much in the way of support ... I'm not new .. unless I hit an oddball and I know that it is because of this weird IBM Lenovo W541 laptop thing
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11:25<ppc64>somiaj: I'd like to get my hands on the asshat that designed it. They put in a NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K1100M] thing inside it as WELL AS the Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
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11:25<peter1138>Well it's a bit difficult to remove that from the CPU.
11:26<ppc64>somiaj: three guesses what silly gymnastics one must do to get the NVidia CUDA cores available for programming work? nasty stuff and external Thunder
11:26<ppc64>underbolt™ 3
11:26<somiaj>also optimus setups are quite common, intel + nvidia or intel + amdgpu
11:26<ppc64>damn
11:26<ppc64>somiaj:
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11:26<ppc64>yeah but it won't work unless you have external Thunderbolt 3 hardware
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11:27<peter1138>Why not?
11:27<somiaj>yea, it isn't very well supported in linux, my advise is avoide such hardware.
11:27<somiaj>ubuntu has some better tools for this, but debian has bumblbee and I think primus (that might be the ubuntu one). I've just avoided such hardware.
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11:28<ppc64>bumblbee ?
11:29<ppc64>somiaj: " avoide such hardware " <-- too late ... bought it :-\
11:29<FLD>can someone explain me why "apt install" wants to do nothing, while "aptitude install" wants to do all this: https://paste.debian.net/1091271/
11:29<FLD>this is after stretch->buster
11:30<ppc64>wow .. aptitude ... have not used that in years
11:30<FLD>yeah i never learned to use it either
11:30<somiaj>FLD: usually you need to tell apt/aptutide what to install. What is the goal of just running 'aptitude install'
11:30<ppc64>I think there are better people here that know apt like the back of their hands
11:31<ppc64>oh .. well .. that could be it
11:31<FLD>somiaj just to see if everything is "in order" after the upgrade
11:31<somiaj>FLD: that isn't the command you want, you can run 'apt update' and then 'apt upgrade' again to make sure everything is upgraded.
11:31<somiaj>after that you may want to look for obsolete packages, 'aptitude search ~o' and remove any you don't need.
11:32<somiaj>you should also read the release notes.
11:32<peter1138>ppc64, why would you need Thunderbolt 3 hardware?
11:32<somiaj>Though I can't say what 'aptitude install' is thinking, and why it wan'ts to install packages. Maybe they were selected using the aptitude gui.
11:33<ppc64>peter1138: well ... it is a long story
11:33<jhutchins_wk>FLD: Perhaps aptitude full-upgrade?
11:33<FLD>i can't ever recall using aptitude gui
11:33<FLD>jhutchins_wk: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
11:34<jhutchins_wk>FLD: Then you're current.
11:34<ppc64>peter1138: however after some research on the IBM/Lenovo site they made it very very clear that the output from the NVidia GPU is *only* available via the external ThunderBolt3 interface
11:34<FLD>guess i just found a special command :P
11:34<somiaj>FLD: from the manpage, "As a special case, “install” with no arguments will act on any stored/pending actions." -- so you have some stored/pending actions according to aptitude either using the ncurses gui or something else.
11:34<peter1138>ppc64, the nVidia GPU can "output" to the CPU's iGPU. That's how these dual-GPU systems work.
11:34<FLD>somiaj: geez, i wonder where those are stored
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11:35<somiaj>FLD: run aptitude without any arguments, get into its ncurses ui, then figure out what keybindings to hit, they are there somewhere.
11:35<ppc64>peter1138: you say .. "the nVidia GPU can "output" to the CPU's iGPU" <== not sure what that means
11:35<peter1138>ppc64, the idea is you use the iGPU for low-power general desktop tasks, and if you need a performance boost in something like a game, that can use the nVidia GPU.
11:35<somiaj>I don't know aptitude well enough to just state what to do.
11:35<FLD>somiaj: yeah doing that :D
11:35<peter1138>ppc64, framebuffer is sent from the nVidia GPU to the iGPU.
11:36<ppc64>peter1138: I assure you the nvidia driver won't even load and this is a debian testing machine so no need to flood the chan with jabber about debian 'sid' here .. I don't want to get tasered :-)
11:36<peter1138>ppc64, so in normal use, the power hungry GPU is not used, and so the battery life is better.
11:36<peter1138>ppc64, this, of course, all works perfectly on Windows, but Linux is "a bit" behind.
11:36<somiaj>yea not sure how many times you need to be pointed to #debian-next to talk about this there.
11:36<ppc64>peter1138: oh .. don't even go there
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11:37<somiaj>bumblbee gives some support. But I think one would want to go with ubuntu for the best support for such hardware, as they have put some time into trying to make it better.
11:37<jmcnaught>FLD: I think inside the aptitude TUI you need to his Ctrl-T to access the menu, then under actions there is a "cancel pending actions"
11:37<ppc64>somiaj: strickly speaking this is a hardware issue
11:37<peter1138>ppc64, anyway, yes, I'll shut up now. I just wanted to let you know your research into the what and why was incorrect and leading you to the wrong conclusion.
11:37<somiaj>ppc64: it is still no support for debian stable releases, and is just noise.
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11:49<FLD>well, i fixed it by telling aptitude to purge all those packages it wanted to install and then removed a few pakcages it wanted removed and i had to tell it to install libfam0, which was already installed
11:50<FLD>but in the end now its totally happy :D
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11:51<FLD>it ain't easy running on 4636 packages
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11:57<annadane>bit of a weird question, i know dpkg has the "what to backup" factoid but is there anything more detailed about how to save everything about a debian system? i guess that factoid does suffice... was just wondering if there was anything more verbose
11:57<annadane>!what to backu
11:57<annadane>sigh
11:57<annadane>!what to backup
11:57<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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12:01<somiaj>!aptitude clone
12:01<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
12:02<jhutchins_wk>annadane: Possibly the most thorough backup is to boot to alternate media and clone the drive.
12:02<somiaj>it really depends on what you want to backup, aptitue clone is a nice way to keep a backup of a package install list (include autoinstall flags)
12:04<somiaj>annadane: a lot depends on use case/recovery. I personaly only backup my personal data (and maybe config files in /etc). IF I have to recover, I can just reinstall debian from the interwebs, then copy over my personal data and config files.
12:04<somiaj>some prefer to have a clone of their whole system they can just copy into place
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12:05<jhutchins_wk>Interesting thought: The apt tools can tell if a config file has been modified when they decide whether to replace it. A similar mechanism would help in backing up changed config files without bothering with defaults.
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12:07<theredone>boyz
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12:16<theredone>hello dust
12:16<dust>hi
12:17<theredone>can u help me with something?
12:17<somiaj>!ask
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:17<theredone>didn't realized you guys were in here too
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12:18<theredone>alright so apperentaly i have installed tor browser via terminal but i have a problem at the end i can't untar the tar file
12:19<annadane>via terminal? if it's by apt you don't need to untar anything
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12:20<somiaj>theredone: what command did you run to install tor?
12:20<somiaj>annadane: note they probably used wget or something, tor is not currently in debian stable
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12:22<theredone>i followed this video and it says to type this command "tar-xvf FILENAME"
12:22<EmleyMoor>Still no go on my laptop - no gdm login screen. Will check state of other problems when I return from a car wash/shopping trip
12:22<theredone>when i do that it says command not found
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12:23<annadane>are you using debian? tar is listed as "required" priority
12:23<duclicsic>theredone: that's because there's supposed to be a space between "tar" and "-xvf"
12:23<annadane>...ah
12:23<theredone>yeah i even did that too @duclicsic
12:24<duclicsic>or you could omit the -v entirely and run "tar xf filename"
12:24<duclicsic>assuming that you are currently in the directory the file you wish to extract exists in
12:25<theredone>exactly
12:25<sqrt{not}>theredone: what version of debian are you running ?
12:26<theredone>idk im like new to this
12:26<duclicsic>so you're running kali or parrot then I'd guess..
12:26<theredone>aww it's Kali linux
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12:28<theredone>its kali GNU/Linux Rolling
12:28<duclicsic>!kali
12:28<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
12:29<sqrt{not}>theredone: you should consider starting over with plain debian: https://www.debian.org/distrib/
12:29<duclicsic>since you're a newbie I would strongly recomment not running Kali, try Ubuntu or something
12:29<annadane>hence my question "are you on debian"...
12:29<duclicsic>recommend*
12:29<annadane>!based on debian
12:29<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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12:31<d20diceroller>it
12:31<d20diceroller>is always fantastic when a new stable releases
12:32<theredone>alright guys thank you all for helping!
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13:22<EmleyMoor>ssh working :-)
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13:24<EmleyMoor>No go on gdm3 still... and I would think previous logs stand
13:26<EmleyMoor>So... what can I do to fix it?
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13:28<EmleyMoor>dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration is still giving me muddled languages
13:29<EmleyMoor>Is there a good picture pastebin?
13:31<sarnold>I think most folks who have to upload images do 'private' imgur.com things, so it doesn't go on the 'main page'
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13:37<EmleyMoor>https://file.io/oGzPZ2 https://file.io/oGzPZ2 https://file.io/oGzPZ2 - language confusion in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration - how do I sort this out?
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13:39<EmleyMoor>Erk
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13:40<EmleyMoor>https://file.io/O2nHZy https://file.io/qnVDVl
13:40<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks to be broken anyway
13:40<sarnold>yeah, I get 404 on all those
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13:41<EmleyMoor>https://imgur.com/a/CYZqQ79
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13:43<EmleyMoor>(I take it that can be seen?
13:43<sarnold>yeah!
13:43<EmleyMoor>Any clues?
13:43<sarnold>in the bottom image you've selected english/american - dvorak
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13:44<sarnold>EmleyMoor: try running 'locale' and see if the output matches what you expect
13:45<EmleyMoor>sarnold: That's what you end up with from the limited choices in the installer
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13:46<EmleyMoor>All en_GB.UTF-8 except LANGUAGE, en_GB:en, and LC_ALL (empty)
13:46<EmleyMoor>(much as expected)
13:47<sqrt{not}>what do you get from dpkg-show keyboard-configuration
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13:47<EmleyMoor>This issue is relatively minor. Bigger is my gdm3 not running issue
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13:47<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1091213/ and 1091215
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13:48<EmleyMoor>However, the machine will have to be rolled back if I can't solve the gdm issue
13:49<sarnold>wat: "Child process -777 was already dead"
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13:50*EmleyMoor needs to know what to do about that
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13:51<sarnold>EmleyMoor: this is wild-guess territory, but try adding 'nomodeset' to your kernel command line. I see that suggestion often when graphics don't work
13:51<EmleyMoor>sarnold: Will try a reboot, just once, with that, and see what happens... though no objection was ever raised by earlier releases
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13:54<EmleyMoor>No change
13:56<EmleyMoor>I'm completely open to suggestions here
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13:59<sarnold>dang :(
13:59<jmcnaught>EmleyMoor: gdm just doesn't start? Is there anything in 'journalctl -b -u gdm.service'?
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14:01<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1091290/
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14:01<sarnold>also http://paste.debian.net/1091215/
14:02<EmleyMoor>sarnold: True... that was from my previous attempt to set up, which had at least one more thing broken
14:02<EmleyMoor>1091290 is "now"
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14:05<jmcnaught>EmleyMoor: there's a similar error in this bug report that doesn't have a clear resolution, but message #35 has a workaround you could try: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890614
14:05<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/890614 in gnome-shell (open): «gnome-shell: Greeter doesn't start anymore: attempts every 20 seconds»; severity: important; opened: 2018-02-16; last modified: 2018-05-13.
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14:07<sarnold>oh that looks promising
14:07<EmleyMoor>No go
14:07<EmleyMoor>This is a fresh install, not an upgrade
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14:08<EmleyMoor>Tried it bit very similar result
14:08<EmleyMoor>but*
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14:09<jmcnaught>You deleted (or moved) /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority? I have that file on a fresh buster install
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14:10<EmleyMoor>jmcnaught: Yes. It did not alter the situation at all
14:11<jmcnaught>EmleyMoor: you could try setting WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf to have gdm use xorg instead of wayland, see if that changes anything
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14:12<EmleyMoor>No change
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14:13<EmleyMoor>This is something "lower" level
14:14<jlsantos>could it be a driver problem?
14:14<jlsantos>a graphics driver, specifically
14:15<EmleyMoor>Yes, yes, a thousand times YES! That's more than likely
14:15<jlsantos>perhaps reinstalling them may be worth a try
14:16<EmleyMoor>Perhaps knowing what to reinstall might... or perhaps they're WRONG and I need to install the right ones
14:17<sqrt{not}>it looks like it finds some nonuseful config file(s) that don't match what it has discovered, so it gives up on the discovered configuration.
14:18<EmleyMoor>The blunt fact is, on a fresh install, it's giving me all this trouble
14:19<EmleyMoor>(I wasn't very happy with the old setup so I copied it elsewhere to make room for a new setup)
14:20<jhutchins_wk>!paste
14:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:21<sqrt{not}>nothing user created under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
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14:22<EmleyMoor>sqrt{not}: No, not a sausage
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14:25<EmleyMoor>(all system created)
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14:26<Thespen>Would anyone be able to help me with pointing me in the right direction to get my realtek wireless card in my laptop working?
14:27<EmleyMoor>Thespen: What, exactly, is your problem with it?
14:27<Thespen>I've been to the debian wiki page on realtek adapters and tried installing the firmware via apt-get but I still can't get the damn thing to get internet.
14:27<jhutchins_wk>!realtek
14:27<dpkg>Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g).
14:27<Thespen>My wireless connection is active but sadly not connecting.
14:28<EmleyMoor>Thespen: Are you sure it's working for other kit?
14:28<Thespen><rtl18188>
14:28<Thespen>kit?
14:28<jhutchins_wk>Thespen: Might require firmware
14:28<Thespen>I have a dual boot and my wifi works on windows side
14:28<jhutchins_wk>Thespen: kit=equipment
14:28<Thespen>I tried this command: apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek
14:28<EmleyMoor>Thespen: Ah, that will do as an "are you sure this is Debian's fault?" test
14:29<Thespen>lol
14:29<EmleyMoor>I don't know the 8188, sadly... 8187B was my only experience of them
14:30<Thespen>Yeah, I don't know if I messed something up. Although the only terminal commands I've issued relating the wifi adapter have been ant_sel and ifconfig
14:30<Thespen>ah
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14:30<sqrt{not}>!rtl818x
14:30<dpkg>Realtek 802.11b/g PCI/PCIe and USB wireless LAN chips (RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180 and rtl8187 drivers in the Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n/802.11ac devices, ask me about <rtl819x>.
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14:33<Thespen>oh also I should have said I also do have internet briefly on the debian side for the first minute or two after login....seems strange if the firmware is missing that it would even connect at all
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14:39<EmleyMoor>I'll look back in a little later to see if any suggestions that may work have come in...
14:40<Thespen>right on
14:41<EmleyMoor>Thespen: Sadly I was referring to my issue, not yours, but I hope you get sorted too
14:42<Thespen>yeah I was saying right on in the sense I hope you find your answer too lol
14:42<Thespen>haha yeah I'm sure I'll figure it out
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14:47<wolfmannight>I have to set-local LANG="C.UTF-8" with my custom generated iso, is there any way to add that in live-build ?
14:48<wolfmannight>Or is there any package missing ?
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14:55<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I only skimmed backlog, does startx work?
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15:10<jlsantos>EmleyMoor: the only other thing i can think about is the absence of some non-free firmware that is preventing gdm3 from starting, https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Firmware
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15:16<SKaplan>For Stretch, can someone please explain to me the difference between linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64 and linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64? I'm not fully certain what the difference between 4.9.0-4 and 4.9.0-9 is. The versioning for kernels on Debian confuses me.
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15:17<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: You could check dmesg | less and see if the nv kernel driver is loading successfully.
15:17<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
15:17<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-
15:17<judd>backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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15:18<jhutchins_wk>SKaplan: 4.9.0-9 is for the current kernel, 4.0.0-4 is for an earlier one. You want the headers that match the kernel you have installed.
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15:23<SKaplan>jhutchins_wk: Thank you. A followup question: 4.9.0-4 appears to stop at version 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 . 4.9.0-9 appears to stop at version 4.9.168-1+deb9u3. The changelog for both seems to point to the .168 one. Are older kernels like -4 ever getting security updates like the later ones are? Or does their support end as soon as the next one begins?
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15:24<wannabe-mirror>kde with lightdm. is there any way to add a virtual keyboard to the lock screen?
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15:41<jhutchins_wk>The kernel in stable will get updates, the kernel in backports will get updates, but older packages won't. Check the _package_ version as opposed to the kernel version by using dpkg -l
15:41<jhutchins_wk>I find the debian naming convention baffling myself.
15:42<jhutchins_wk>I learned linux on RedHat, which always keeps the old kernel.
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15:58<SKaplan>The good news is that I'm already checking the package version. That's kind of my life, unfortunately. But it leads to confusion when the package name, 4.9.0-8, ascends to 4.9.0-9. Normally it's just the version that's supposed to change. But I think I understand now, thank you.
15:58<SKaplan>I found the changelogs. And they tell of answers.
15:59<jhutchins_wk>Xlnt.
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16:03<SKaplan>I guess my question becomes "How long are older kernel levels supported with security patches" and the answer is "not long". I can't quite tell when 4.9.0-9 was first released, or I could definitively answer that.
16:04<jerzey>buster hype!
16:05<jerzey>this is my first time using debian and I really like it
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16:06<tarzeau>jerzey: because of apt-get ?
16:08<sdk>tarzeau: `apt` ;)
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16:10<jerzey>@tarzeau, well my scarlett audio interface device isnt turning off constantly like it was in Mint, and MX. everything is working like its supposed to
16:12<tarzeau>sdk: i prefer the old way
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16:14<sdk>it's mostly the same `apt update; apt upgrade OR apt dist-upgrade` tho
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16:15<jerzey>Yeah I didnt understand if it was a joke or tarzeau was serious because I havent looked into the manual yet
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16:35<tarzeau>jerzey: i'm serious.
16:35<tarzeau>jerzey: i get rid of aptitude, i will also get rid of apt
16:36<jerzey>Oh okay I hear you.. interesting
16:37<jhutchins_wk>tarzeau: Aptitude is no longer installed by default.
16:37<tarzeau>jhutchins_wk: yeah but my friend admins keep installing it
16:38<tarzeau>i also keep installing mc for mcedit, and removing vi*
16:38<jhutchins_wk>tarzeau: Disk space is cheap these days.
16:38<tarzeau>autocompletion namespace not
16:39<jhutchins_wk>tarzeau: Youu should learn vi, not remove it. It's amazingly capable.
16:39<tarzeau>i'm fine with emacs
16:39<tarzeau>biggest shit
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17:22<sqrt{not}>Doesn't emacs have a built-in Advanced Package Tool function ?
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17:35<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: And how is the nv driver relevant?
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17:37<EmleyMoor>somiaj: startx no go - terminates with error (1)
17:37<EmleyMoor>jlsantos: Checking that point
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17:41<EmleyMoor>jlsantos: No change
17:42<EmleyMoor>Time has run out. I simply have to roll this back now
17:43<somiaj>EmleyMoor: what does the xorg log say the error is, I think if you can fixt he error so startx works, you should be fine.
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17:44<EmleyMoor>It says "Please tell me before 22:40"
17:44<EmleyMoor>There's a chance though
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17:46<somiaj>you could paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net (though I guess it could also be in ~/.local/share/xorg when running startx)
17:46<EmleyMoor>somiaj: I nearly didn't have one
17:46<EmleyMoor>(that's my point)
17:49<EmleyMoor>Not pasting (too long?)
17:51<EmleyMoor>Still not pasting, no idea why
17:53<EmleyMoor>Ah, paste.debian.net is down
17:54<EmleyMoor>Alternative?
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17:58<EmleyMoor>https://pastebin.com/BYBg4BcS
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18:00<manjaroCinnamon>hi
18:01<somiaj>EmleyMoor: what video card do you have?
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18:01<somiaj>xorg is having trouble detecting a valid video driver for your setup.
18:02<EmleyMoor>Er - the-one-I've-always-had-in-this-laptop - some kind of Radeon... will try to find out
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18:02<somiaj>EmleyMoor: you can find it in lspci
18:02<somiaj>EmleyMoor: did you boot with 'nomodesetting' by chance?
18:02<somiaj>oh no, that isn't it.
18:02<somiaj>Myabe you just need the firmware, lspci figure out what radeon you actually have first
18:02<somiaj>then maybe install the package firmware-amd-graphics
18:02<EmleyMoor>Radeon HD 6310
18:03<somiaj>(its in nonfree)
18:03<EmleyMoor>Is it? Where?
18:04<somiaj>hmm, that is an older card, should be fine. I don't see what the problem is
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18:05<somiaj>EmleyMoor: lsmod | grep radeon (is the radeon driver loaded in your kernel)?
18:05<EmleyMoor>Yes, it is
18:06<somiaj>could be you are just missing firmawre causing problems (though this is strange, not sure why it is having trouble with that card)
18:07<somiaj>do you have non-free enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list (I'd at least try the firmware)
18:07<EmleyMoor>somiaj: This machine is not new to Debian
18:07<EmleyMoor>non-free is there
18:09<somiaj>then apt install firmware-amd-graphics
18:09<EmleyMoor>Already did... no change
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18:09<somiaj>you'd have to reboot to ensure the radeon driver loads the firmware
18:10<EmleyMoor>Rebooted more than once since then
18:11<somiaj>dmesg | grep -i radeon (wonder what dmesg says about your card's driver)
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18:13<EmleyMoor>https://pastebin.com/T2kyhKaw
18:13<lolcat--007>hello i just installed debian buster and i found this error on boot process
18:13<lolcat--007>here the dmesg output
18:13<lolcat--007>http://dpaste.com//2PG6AKW
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18:14<EmleyMoor>lolcat--007: Where's the error?
18:14<sarnold>[ 14.076074] usb 1-8: firmware: failed to load ar3k/ramps_0x31010000_40.dfu (-2) ?
18:14<somiaj>EmleyMoor: hmm, that last line looks supicious, can you get more output from around that line, it says that firmware is required (though you card shouldn't be newer than an R600)
18:15<EmleyMoor>somiaj: If it is it's suddenly become newer (!)
18:15<lolcat--007>EmleyMoor: when the system is boot
18:15<lolcat--007>this one is very annoying
18:15<lolcat--007>tpm_crb MSFT0101:00: [Firmware Bug]: ACPI region does not cover the entire command/response buffer. [mem 0xfed40000-0xfed4087f flags 0x200] vs fed40080 f80
18:15<somiaj>EmleyMoor: well could be a false error causing problems, I'd like to see the ouput of dmesg around the lines with that error, see if maybe we can track down what it thinks it needs.
18:16<somiaj>lolcat--007: sounds like a firmware bug, which means it is an issue with your firmware. The kernel probably is working around it.
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18:17<lolcat--007>somiaj: but it is possible to fix it
18:17<lolcat--007>?
18:17<somiaj>you might want to make sure you have the current version of the firwmare for your hardware, or go check acpi/power saving settings in your firmware setup ui (usually f2 at start) for different options. Some firmawre options work better with linux than others.
18:17<somiaj>the kernel is probably correctly working around it, and you can just ignore it (espically if you notice no downside other than it tells you that there is a bug)
18:18<EmleyMoor>https://pastebin.com/qNC3jY0J - probably little help
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18:21<somiaj>EmleyMoor: what about 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
18:22<lolcat--007>somiaj: can i install the latest firmware version by sypnatic
18:22<lolcat--007>??
18:22<somiaj>lolcat--007: you have to enable non-free first
18:22<somiaj>oh wait
18:22<somiaj>lolcat--007: no, here I'm talking about firmware for your motherboard. You ahve to get it from your hardware manufacture and flash it onto the board
18:22<EmleyMoor>https://pastebin.com/rG73pj8x
18:23<somiaj>you also need to boot up into setup, and check settings. There are soemtiems different acpi settings that need to be toggled when not using windows, and what they are varries by firmware
18:24<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I don't see why your kernel isn't liking that card. Unsure what to suggest at this point.
18:24<somiaj>,kernels
18:24<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
18:24<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
18:24<somiaj>EmleyMoor: do you have the package xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
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18:25<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Yes
18:25<somiaj>yea, I don't see why xorg isn't detecting the radeon card correctly, there is one more thing you could try
18:26<somiaj>do you have an xorg.conf file?
18:26<EmleyMoor>somiaj: No
18:26<EmleyMoor>(this is a "CLEAN" setup)
18:27<somiaj>EmleyMoor: http://dpaste.com/3GSSS4V -- try putting that in an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see if forcing the radeon driver helps at all (maybe gives us a better error)
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18:30<lolcat--007>somiaj: how can i install non-free packages??
18:30<lolcat--007>like the bluetooth
18:30<EmleyMoor>https://pastebin.com/DAq0gZG7
18:30<somiaj>!nonfree
18:30<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
18:31<somiaj>lolcat--007: enable non-free in your soruces.list then install them like any other package
18:31<somiaj>!non-free sources
18:31<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
18:31<somiaj>EmleyMoor: yea, I don't know why the kernel isn't liking that card of yours. It isn't being detected correctly by the kernel and loading the right firmware/enabling kms correclty
18:32<lolcat--007>somiaj: ok i already add non-free at my sources.list then what? how will it be the command?
18:32<somiaj>xorg just isn't working is a side affect of that. Unsure if this is a kernel bug with your hardware or not. You could try a different kernel, though at this time for buster, maybe stretches 4.9 kernel will work.
18:32<somiaj>lolcat--007: apt update (update your sources), then apt install packagename just like any other package
18:32<somiaj>I didn't catch what firware you needed for your bluetooth, you'll have to give me more info on your bluetooth for that
18:33<somiaj>(the firmware for your mobtherboard cannot be installed this way)
18:33<EmleyMoor>somiaj: I have no more time to fart about
18:33<somiaj>did it work in stretch?
18:33<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Yes
18:33<somiaj>but yea last thign I would try is the stretch kernel, and see if it works.
18:34<lolcat--007>somiaj: ok lets do it step by step lets first solve the bluetooth then the motherboard firmware
18:34<somiaj>Everything to me points that the problem is something with the kernel, and it could just a bug with the kernel.
18:34<lolcat--007>somiaj: what info do you need of my bluetooth
18:34<lolcat--007>devices
18:34<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Is it even possible to try?
18:35<EmleyMoor>If it's going to take me 5 minutes I've got time... if it's going to take me longer I haven't
18:35<somiaj>yea, just download the kernel package from stretch and installit then boot into it
18:36<somiaj>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64
18:38<somiaj>EmleyMoor: you could probably even add a stretch line to your soruces.list and apt install that package
18:39<somiaj>kernels are self contained so safe to install from a different release in many cases
18:43<somiaj>EmleyMoor: well I found a bug similar to your issue, but no actual resoultion, but it gave a crappy workaround
18:44<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927219 -- but this person has the exact same thing happeneing on the live system, same xorg log and same dmesg error about radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware installed.
18:46<EmleyMoor>With the stretch kernel it works. To whom do I report this?
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18:46<somiaj>!reportbug
18:46<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA>
18:47<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Do I report it as a bug in the kernel
18:47<EmleyMoor>?
18:47<somiaj>EmleyMoor: you can just inatll report bug, and report it against the kernel. You may want to reference (or just reply to the bug I linked #927219 as that ist he same issue)
18:47<EmleyMoor>OK
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18:47<somiaj>yea, the bug is with the kernel, the kernel is disabling kms for your card even though it is older (so the message about R600 or newer and disableing modestting) is being triggered and I don't know why
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18:48<somiaj>So there is some bug in the radeon kms driver in the kernel, though I can't track much else down about it
18:49<somiaj>but that is all I can figure out, there is some regression in the 4.19 kernels. You may have to stick whith the styretch 4.9 kernel. Once backports hit, maybe it will get fixed in newer versions
18:49<somiaj>though still report a bug, only chance someone who actually knows what is going on can look at it and maybe figure out the cause.
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18:55<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Well, I'll report it shortly, then see what becomes of it
18:56<EmleyMoor>At least there's a chance of me making use of my laptop now, even if I do have a bit of a faff
18:56<somiaj>EmleyMoor: also you may want to look into /etc/default/grub so you can set the 4.9 kernel as the default to boot from, you may also want to add stretch and stretch security sources to your source.list to get secrurity patches (This should be safe since all versions in stretch as < buster, just be careful if you try to install a package in stretch but not buster)
18:57<EmleyMoor>This is the second time I've needed a forwardport
19:03<somiaj>well glad we could track it down, even if it took longer than one hoped for
19:03<somiaj>If you really wanted to track down the issue, you could work through kernels at snapshot.debian.org and figure out which one introduced the regression
19:03<somiaj>!git bisect
19:04<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect
19:04<somiaj>if you wanted to go even deeper, you could track it down to the exact commit that caused the regression, then add this to the bug (this can help out a lot)
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19:16<EmleyMoor>Reported
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19:19<ryouma>i was trying this transport type in stretch and got this error. is it normal? E: The repository 'tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file.
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19:34<jimpop>is there a buster/stable live img with lvm2 and cryptsetup?
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19:36<ryouma>it sounds like the error message i referred to above refers to ... buster release making stretch no longer be able to use that transport type/
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20:53<Debian-home>hello there i need help installing some software on Debian 10
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20:59<sdk>...
21:00<annadane>at least it's not kali/parrot/blackarch
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21:01<sdk>annadane: Eheh ;)
21:01<sarnold>annadane: hello friend are you hacker
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23:06<Zacus>hi
23:06<Zacus>My friends
23:06<annadane>hi zacus
23:07<Zacus>is somebody ther?
23:07<Zacus>Hi, annadane
23:07<annadane>!ask
23:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:10<annadane>well OK then.
23:10<annadane>!next
23:10<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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23:46<etyh>How do I prevent Buster's systemd from automatically disabling AppArmor when launching a custom built live cd? I have a modified AppArmor profile/config that works with the overlay filesystem.
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