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---Logopened Wed Jul 17 00:00:11 2019
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00:24<able>Howdy guys. I just went for a debian 10 install and ended up with a system that can't start X. I tried a few different desktop environments and it seems to go the same way.
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00:27<petn-randall>able: What graphics card do you have?
00:28<able>Well it's the ryzen5 2500u. I believe it identifies itself as some kind of vega
00:29<petn-randall>able: You'll need at least firmware-amd-graphics from the non-free repo, possibly a few more other things.
00:30<petn-randall>Well, that might be enough.
00:30<able>Alright, that was my first step and then I went to reboot...
00:30<able>Reboot isn't a command anymore?
00:31<petn-randall>It is, but only as root.
00:32<able>Well it's not for me, so I may have some other installation problems
00:32<petn-randall>able: How are you calling it?
00:33<able>just reboot
00:33<petn-randall>As root?
00:33<able>yeah, just command not found. Odd.
00:33<petn-randall>/sbin/reboot works?
00:34<able>yup
00:34<jmcnaught>able: you probably became root with 'su' with no arguments? buster has a new su, use 'su -l' to get root's proper PATH
00:34<petn-randall>this ^
00:35<able>Ah, cool Other new important options for that?
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00:36<jmcnaught>able: https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes has some more information about the su change
00:37<jmcnaught>able: 'su -' is the same as 'su -l' by the way
00:37<able>interesting. Now rebooted, still no pretty gfx.
00:41<jmcnaught>able: which display manager are you trying to use?
00:41<able>KDE
00:41<able>so sddm
00:43<jmcnaught>Some things to look at and/or paste on https://paste.debian.net/ 1) 'systemctl status sddm.service' 2) 'journalctl -u sddm.service' 3) /var/log/Xorg.0.log 4) 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
00:43<able>my xorg log has a few "open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory" errors
00:45<able>weirdly the sddm service has no errors tho
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00:48<user>google.com
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00:59<able>Am I supposed to have both radeon and amdgpu drivers installed?
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01:05<able>Actually, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever gotten debian running on raven ridge.
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01:09<Zen-Follower>Did you get it to run on an UEFI system?
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01:12<able>Sure
01:12<Zen-Follower>I just install Buster on an NVMe in an UEFI system, went smoothly until the reboot. Now the system says theres no bootloader at all, not even the Win10 one that was there before ><
01:13<able>Hmm, at this point I might as well just install something easier, like gentoo ;)
01:15<Zen-Follower>if you got that much time to waste while waiting for it to finish compiling everything ;)
01:17<able>compiling everything still seems like a time saver compared to "nothing works, period"
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01:20<Zen-Follower>Unless there's someone who can tell you, how to fix it: https://emmanuel-galindo.github.io/en/2017/04/05/fixing-debian-boot-uefi-grub/
01:20<Zen-Follower>Only not sure if that also works with a NVMe
01:21<Zen-Follower>Too tired to try it now, need some sleep ><
01:22<able>But I'll probably actually just switch back to manjaro for now. If anyone cares Debian 10 doesn't seem to work on a ryzen 5 2500u's integrated graphics, but I'm no longer trying to fix it
01:22<Zen-Follower>Back to your question about the amd drivers: better overboard than lacking ^^
01:23<Zen-Follower>oh really? Damn ... then it prolly won't work on a Ryzen 5 3500U with Vega8 either :(
01:23<able>Ah, I don't care anymore. This AMD chipset has been way more trouble than it's worth.
01:24<able>It has horrific problems not only with several distros, but also in windows, apparently.
01:26<Zen-Follower>I couldn't install Win10 directly, because it didn't accept the NVMe drivers, so had to install Win8.1 and update from there, but had no issues yet with the chipset.
01:26<Zen-Follower>What kind of trouble did you experience?
01:26<able>In windows?
01:27<Zen-Follower>and linux, too
01:27<able>Well in windows it commonly wouldn't resume from sleep
01:28<able>the screen would randomly go white or black for about 5 seconds at a time, maybe every 15 minutes or so
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01:30<able>gpu intensive stuff would just crash all the time
01:30<Zen-Follower>apparently, there should be a power-scheme included in the latest drivers, but hp hasn't included that yet.
01:31<Zen-Follower>did it crash immediately or did it work for a while first?
01:31<able>Yeah, it would run some random amount of time first
01:32<able>Which varied drastically with what version of drivers I had installed
01:32<Zen-Follower>sounds like overheating
01:34<able>it never seemed to get very hot, but who knows
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01:35<able>Sucks I can't seem to get it working with debian, I've been kinda excited to try out 10, but I guess I'll just install that on my desktop
01:35<Zen-Follower>could be a malfunctioning or badly installed cooler
01:36<able>Actually, no, I don't think so
01:36<able>I can run grpahically intensive stuff in linux for hours and it'll never crash
01:36<Zen-Follower>I just tried a few live distros so far and linux mint was the only one working. All others had X crashing.
01:37<able>All I've tried on it is Kubuntu, Manjaro, and Debian 9 and 10
01:38<Zen-Follower>so Manjaro works for you? any others?
01:38<able>Kubuntu works fine, but I hate it
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01:38<Zen-Follower>I actually planned to use MX, but can't install without the live system booting into x.
01:39<able>I just did
01:40<able>I downloaded the iso with wget, imaged a flash drive with DD, and then installed manjaro while we were talking about it
01:40<able>Already done
01:40<Zen-Follower>I'm kind of spoiled but the massive amount of deb-packages, so unwilling to switch to a packaging system which has less to offer...
01:40<able>Yep, I agree with you, but when one works and the other doesn't...
01:40<Zen-Follower>so as an alternative I downloaded Mageia
01:41<Zen-Follower>rpm is the 2nd-best in that regard
01:43<able>I don't have a 2nd best
01:43<able>I like deb, and everything else is mildly annoying
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01:44<jinsag>hey
01:44<Zen-Follower>mmm, ... true ... guess I try linux mint first after all
01:44<able>do they still make LMDE?
01:45<Zen-Follower>mint?
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01:45<able>yeah
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01:45<Zen-Follower>nah, cinnamon, mate and xfce
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01:46<able>https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
01:46<Zen-Follower>up to date?
01:47<able>your guess is as good as mine
01:49<Zen-Follower>2018-08-31 according to distrowatch.com
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01:49<able>Yeah?
01:50<able>Might be worth a shot, then.
01:50<Zen-Follower>but it's cinnamon only and that kept crashing over and over on my other system ><
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02:18<Zen-Follower>I kinda doubt LMDE will work well, Mesa is just v13 ... :/
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03:22<blackbird>hey can anyone help pls
03:23<jmcnaught>!anyone
03:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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03:50<b342>What is the proper place to ask question about gitlab and salsa (how to use ) ?
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03:54<jm_>try https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc
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03:55<b342>oops thanks
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04:32<guruprasad>I am trying to get network at boot time via initramfs to be able to unlock my encrypted root partition at boot time. I have configured the IP address, netmask, gateway in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and also set the DEVICE to en0. I have also updated the grub configuration in /etc/default/grub to pass the ip= parameter will all the similar details. I have updated the initramfs and grub after doing so.
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04:33<guruprasad>However on reboot, the network doesn't come up and I see an error like 'ipconfig no devices to configure en0'. I have also tried changing it to eth0 just in case.
04:34<guruprasad>What could be the issue here?
04:35<jm_>how is network related to an encrypted root partition?
04:36<guruprasad>jm_, I am trying to use the network to remotely unlock the encrypted root partition.
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04:36<guruprasad>I have dropbear configured to run at boot-time via the initramfs, but the network doesn't come up due to the issues mentioned above.
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04:36<jm_>guruprasad: the network support in initramfs is for nfsroot AFAIK
04:38<guruprasad>jm_, it looks like it worked at least until Stretch. I see a lot of articles on the internet that detail the steps to do so. For example, https://jkraemer.net/2018/04/fully-encrypted-headless-debian-stretch-setup is one. It should most probably work on Buster too, but I think I am missing something.
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04:49<jm_>guruprasad: I would debug initramfs scripts themselves then, I only have stretch versions here to look at
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04:50<guruprasad>Thanks jm_! I will check those out
04:51<jm_>guruprasad: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs is the the one I would start with
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04:54<ghormoon>regarding the NM issue i talked about eralier - it now needs explicit hidden=true under [wifi] in the profile, it didn't work for me, because on NM irc they hinted me to nmcli connection modify xxxx wifi.hidden=yes (which works on nmcli), but in config it doesn't take yes, but true :D
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04:54<ghormoon>still, there was change in behaviour as this was not needed on the NM shipped with 9
04:55<jm_>guruprasad: I can see changes in networking part
04:57<guruprasad>jm_, I had a big 'epic fail' moment. The network interface was 'eno1' and my mind had processed it all this time as 'en0'.
04:57<ghormoon>still, even if the network is picked up by NM, i need to waitquite long on boot (i guess eth0 timeout) after NM says it's online, is that normal?
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04:58<ghormoon>(or maybe some bridges as those are not in NM, but shouldn't be waiting for dhcp or anything)
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05:26<guruprasad>Thanks for the help, jm_
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05:34<EmleyMoor>In mid upgrade of my main box to buster now - at the 2% progress bar stage
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05:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can add an onscreen "Caps Lock" indicator to my GNOME desktop in buster?
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05:55<EmleyMoor>Sorted
05:56<EmleyMoor>... but non-functional
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05:58<cc>there is a way to display caps lock status via hardware leds, if your keyboard has them
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06:04<EmleyMoor>cc: It doesn't hence the question
06:07<EmleyMoor>Working alternative found
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06:08<EmleyMoor>fawtytoo's Lock Keys works, kazimieras.vaina's doesn't
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it's stopped
06:37<EmleyMoor>Back again... if it holds now, good
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06:44<EmleyMoor>No, that's unreliable
06:46<EmleyMoor>Trying Keys Indicator now - overkill but if it works...
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06:57<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... none of the work right
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06:57<EmleyMoor>them*
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07:03<EmleyMoor>Any further suggestions?
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07:11<Vergo>EmleyMoor: those don't detect your caps key or what's the issue?
07:11<kosarials>Can someone help me to install znes
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07:12<drzacek>Hello
07:13<drzacek>I did something bad and now I regret my decisions
07:13<drzacek>plz send help
07:13<drzacek>I was compiling new version of my program and wanted to try it out on the target machine (buster vs stretch system).
07:13<Vergo>kosarials: znes different than zsnes?
07:14<kosarials>i mean zsnes
07:14<drzacek>It cried about glibc not being 2.28, so I kinda downloaded the .deb package and tried to install it with dpkg -i. It cried again so I did what it told me - added '--auto-deconfigure'
07:14<drzacek>tl:dr I borked the stretch system now and want to revert
07:15<jm_>drzacek: I would boot with a rescue system, say grml, mount whatever needs to be mounted, unpack stretch's libc6 package, replacing the files, umount, reboot in stretch, reinstall the deb
07:16<drzacek>I can ssh to it
07:16<Vergo>kosarials: the package page appears to show that it's only available for i386 for some reason, I don't know why
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07:20<jm_>you can't install it using multiarch?
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07:23<drzacek>okay jm_ I installed back old versions
07:23<jm_>The zsnes package is not portable to non-i386 architectures because of
07:23<jm_>the fact that most of it is writen in i386 assembly.
07:23<drzacek>hope it solves that
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07:26<EmleyMoor>More of the Debian update process should support interactive merging of configs
07:30<EmleyMoor>Up to 86% progress on my main machine upgrade
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07:35*GyrosGeier .oO(you need a faster main machine)
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08:56<EmleyMoor>The system seems to be trying to access four non-exstent disks on my machine - /dev/sd[j-m] - during the boot process. They also appear if a grub installation is happening. Why would this be and how can I stop it?
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09:05<luna_>http://paste.debian.net/1091891/
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09:11<EmleyMoor>I'll paste the output - removing two old kernels as we speak
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09:17<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... can't post the output as something killed my session
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09:30<EmleyMoor>Why wouldh attempts be made to access /dev/sd[j-m] though?
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09:45<dpalacio>does your /etc/fstab show those devices?
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10:21<Rootlexx>Hi. Has anyone noticed a constant swap usage growth even when there's plenty of memory left on buster?
10:22<xxx>I'm having trouble getting Buster netinst to see the partitions on my Macbook Air 7,1. Stretch netinst sees them just fine.
10:22<xxx>Is there a place I should go for help?
10:23<xxx>This may be a kernel issue in general because Ubuntu 16.04.6 can also see the partitions but 18.04 cannot.
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10:24<Rootlexx>xxx: It can't see partitions or the drive at all?
10:24<xxx>lspci can see the drive.
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10:25<GyrosGeier>Rootlexx, swap is supposed to be used
10:25<GyrosGeier>that is normal
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10:27<xxx>That said, fdisk -l won't see the SSD and only sees the USB stick I'm booting with.
10:27<GyrosGeier>disk caches for stuff that's actually accessed are more valuable than some process that is waiting for someone to connect to a socket if that hasn't happened for an hour
10:27<jhutchins_wk>Rootlexx: Some programs will routinely stash unused pages in swap, even if ram is available.
10:28<GyrosGeier>that, and depending on the "swappiness" setting, the kernel will copy existing pages to swap without evicting them
10:29<GyrosGeier>so that when memory becomes tight, there's a list of pages you don't have to write to disk to swap them out
10:29<Rootlexx>GyrosGeier: I know. But it never grew when only about 1/3 of RAM was used. :/ Looks like it starts when the page cache fills all of the remaining memory, and then the swap starts growing until OOM happens. :/
10:29<GyrosGeier>especially for desktop loads, that makes sense
10:29<GyrosGeier>then some program is using too much memory
10:30<Rootlexx>OOM with 2/3 of free RAM is kinda weird, I'd say.
10:30<GyrosGeier>OOM for the kernel, or does a program report OOM?
10:31<GyrosGeier>also, OOM means that the program with the largest anonymous mappings gets killed
10:32<GyrosGeier>the "anonymous" protects database servers and X11, which have humongous mappings, but they are all backed by files or hardware
10:32<Rootlexx>For the kernel, of course. MemTest finds no issues, and everything worked fine in stretch. I just wonder if anyone experienced the same problem.
10:32<GyrosGeier>nope
10:32<GyrosGeier>but that sounds wrong
10:33<xxx>If I "dmesg | grep -i nvme" I get "nvme nvme0: IO queues not created".
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10:37<Rootlexx>I'll dig it further then. Thanks!
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10:42<xxx>Eh. I suppose I'll try Ubuntu 18.04.0 and make sure to not use the HWE kernel. This seems to be a regression from kernel 4.17.
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13:30<kde10>trying to get a bluetooth device working on -10 says I need a PIN code, but I don't other other distro
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13:33<kde10>is there a debian channel with active users ?
13:33<jmcnaught>kde10: you might need to wait more than three minutes for a response
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13:35<kde10>jmcnaught, yes of course
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13:35<sarnold>or give some more information
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13:35<kde10>sarnold, lspci ?
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13:37<sarnold>kde10: or what device you're using, if you're asked for a pin for other devices or just this one, what front-end to bluez stack you're using, messages from dmesg or journalctl, if 0000 works, etc
13:39<Zen-Follower>Can anyoone here confirm, that Debian 10 has issues running with AMD Ryzen 5 + Radeon Vega graphics?
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13:40<kde10>sarnold, just said "your device not visible" and I hit "fix" and its trying but
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13:41<kde10>multiple devices never asked for Pin , bluetooth speaker
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13:42<sarnold>Zen-Follower: most of the amd video errors I see here seem to be solved by installing some subset of these pacakges: firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
13:43<kde10>frontend would be the kde widget on the taskbar
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13:45<kde10>bluetoothd[686]: a2dp-sink profile connect failed for 08:DF:1F:2E:9E:EE: Protocol not available
13:47<kde10>maybe needs pulseaudio package ?
13:51<Zen-Follower>thanks sarnold
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13:54<kde10>oh well thanks anyway debian people
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13:58<petn-randall>kde10: What kind of bluetooth device is this?
13:58<petn-randall>kde10: Ah, bluetooth speakers, sorry
13:58<kde10>sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth am going to try
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14:23<kavan>Here is pure gnome core debian iso (No useless apps) https://www.dropbox.com/s/j58st3mjhc6kn59/live-image-amd64.hybrid.iso?dl=1
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14:27<Talkless>kavan: and no malware ? :)
14:31<kavan>nope
14:31<kavan>I have made script, you can make your own distro straight from debian servers
14:31<Talkless>yeah that I just wanted to say, better share the build script :)
14:32<Talkless>I would never donwload pre-built image from some random internet source
14:32<kavan>script will be ready in 5-6 days,
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14:32<kavan>Sure.. If you wanna do that I will release it on git.. you have to wait..
14:33<petn-randall>Yeah, pretty much the whole point why Debian ISOs are signed, so you can verify the source.
14:34<kavan>I'm using debian's live-build tool to generate it
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14:35<kavan>Until script out, you can run iso on VM. how it look like..
14:36<kavan>You can suggest me highly required packages.
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15:59<babagau>Hello! I am running debian on a macbook 2.1 made in 2007
15:59<babagau>how can I right click without mouse??
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16:09<EmleyMoor>I'm getting some very very odd terminal misperformance - jumping about, lines not wrapping etc. in the GNOME terminal app. What's going on and how do I fix it?
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16:18<petn-randall>babagau: You may be able to configure a shortcut (like shift + left click) to work as right click, though I don't know any details.
16:18<efrit>Hell
16:18<efrit>o
16:19<petn-randall>hi efrit
16:19<efrit>I am trying to install Debian 10 on my desktop computer, but I get the same error all the time
16:19<efrit>I tried several ways to format my USB key to achieve the installation
16:19<petn-randall>efrit: What error do you get?
16:19<EmleyMoor>efrit: "the same error"? What is it?
16:19<efrit>It’s about the CD-ROM
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16:20<EmleyMoor>What about it?
16:20<efrit>it says it can’t detect any image on it
16:20<efrit>so it asks me if i should load a module or not
16:20<efrit>what ever path I choose about these 2 questions, I get tan error
16:20<efrit>but I don’t know how to get the logs
16:20<EmleyMoor>efrit: How did you format the key?
16:21<dboles>so you're trying to boot from USB, but getting an error about a CD-ROM?
16:21<efrit>in the graphical interface
16:21<efrit>yes
16:21<efrit>which is really weird
16:21<efrit>the format of the key is FAT32
16:21<efrit>I tried to format the partitioning table to MSDOS and GPT, but it doesn’t change the error
16:22<efrit>I alos tried the to copy the ISO with the cp and dd command
16:22<EmleyMoor>efrit: That's not right. You need to put the iso image direct to the key... which operating system are you trying to create it from?
16:22<efrit>I tried
16:22<efrit>from Debian
16:23<efrit>with the cp and dd command as written in the manual
16:23<efrit>and I tried with Rufus on Windows
16:23<EmleyMoor>dd should have worked provided you gave the right parameters...
16:23<efrit>I agree with you, but it seems it doesn’t work
16:23<efrit>though I think I gave the right parameters
16:23<EmleyMoor>efrit: What, exactly, did you give?
16:24<efrit>cp debian.iso /dev/sdX
16:24<efrit>(with the right names of course)
16:25<efrit>with X = b for instance in my case
16:25<efrit>and after that I use the command sync
16:26<EmleyMoor>Ummm... not sure that would ever work. What about dd?
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16:26<efrit>I tried it
16:27<efrit>this command: dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync
16:27<efrit>the pages I read to get these commands are the following ones:
16:27<efrit>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
16:27<EmleyMoor>But what did you put for <device>?
16:27<efrit>https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#write-usb
16:28<efrit>it was /dev/sdb
16:28<EmleyMoor>Right... and did it complete without error?
16:28<efrit>whih was my USB key
16:28<efrit>yes
16:28<efrit>no message at all in fact I think
16:28<efrit>my USB key is 4Gio in case you wonder
16:28<EmleyMoor>There should have been a message about how many records copied
16:29<efrit>mmh
16:29<efrit>it’s possible I don’t remember well
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16:29<efrit>but I do remember that there was no error
16:30<EmleyMoor>It ought to have worked then...
16:31<efrit>I agree
16:31<efrit>you are right there are messages about the records written
16:31<efrit>(I am tryiing again currently)
16:32<efrit>I even went to the BIOS config and tried to change an USB emulation option
16:32<efrit>but the error remain the same
16:32<efrit>maybe I should collect logs if there are in the graphical installation process
16:32<efrit>?
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16:33*EmleyMoor is just wondering where you are in case someone can arrange to see it for themselves
16:33<efrit>what do you mean? in real life?
16:34<efrit>it would be difficult honestly
16:34<efrit>but I appreciate the offer
16:34<efrit>So after the dd command, I see with gnome-dsik utility that there are 2 partitions on my USB key
16:35<efrit>A bootable one with format ISO 9660 (Joliet extension)
16:35<sqrt{not}>efrit exactly what file did you download for the .iso image ?
16:35<efrit>and an EFI (FAT-12/16/32) with FAT (12-bit version)
16:36<efrit>it is named debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
16:37<efrit>I got it from this webpage: https://www.debian.org/distrib/
16:38<efrit>the model of my USB key is General UDisk (5.00)
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16:41<efrit>I’ll try to redo the process
16:42<efrit>so I’ll have to logout
16:42<efrit>I will try to get exact message errors
16:42<efrit>maybe it will be helpful
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16:48<sqrt{not}>efrit: Some suggest when you get the message about missing cdrom, you should unplug the usb stick, plug it back in, and select try again.
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16:49<efrit>oh
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16:50<efrit>ok I’ll try
16:50<efrit>but first
16:50<efrit>I tried to get the screenshots
16:50<efrit>in the graphical install
16:50<efrit>I supposed they were saved on the USB key
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16:50<efrit>but I can’t found them
16:50<efrit>anywhere, was my supposition wrong?
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16:51<petn-randall>"missing cdrom" happens usually when you use rufus or similar tools to create bootable USB sticks.
16:51<petn-randall>!unetbootin
16:51<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
16:52<petn-randall>!rufus
16:52<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
16:52<petn-randall>Those ^^^ are *not* recommended.
16:52<sqrt{not}>he said he made it with dd ; sync on a linux box
16:53<petn-randall>Might still be residues on it when rufus was used.
16:53<efrit>in fact
16:53<efrit>i tried first the recommended way
16:53<efrit>with the cp command
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16:53<efrit>then with the dd command
16:53<petn-randall>Also the exact command is important. `cp debian.iso /dev/sdb1` will not create a bootable USB stick.
16:53<efrit>and only after it failed with these two commands I tried with Rufus
16:53<efrit>yes
16:53<efrit>I paid attention to that
16:54<sqrt{not}>rufus is definitely not a good option
16:54<efrit>I didn’t know Rufus was also not recommended
16:54<efrit>I know only about Unetbootin
16:54<petn-randall>They're all equally not recommended.
16:54<petn-randall>:)
16:54<sqrt{not}>so, is the image on the usb stick now from rufus, or from dd ?
16:55<efrit>but still, it seems the issue is not with rufus, since I tried first with cp and dd command
16:55<efrit>it’s the dd one
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16:55<sqrt{not}>can you try the unplug/replug/choose-retry hint ?
16:55<efrit>ok
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17:40<Efrit>Re
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17:52<efrit>hello
17:52<efrit>again
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17:52<efrit>so I managed to install Debian 10
17:52<EmleyMoor>\o/
17:53<efrit>and holy-moly-wtf-is-that-omg
17:53<efrit>what made it work was to unplug and replug the USB key when I get the first error message
17:53<efrit>like how am I supposed to guess that you know
17:54<EmleyMoor>That does seem a little oddball but it's probably the first thing I'd have tried
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17:58<efrit>what’s the rationale behind that idea?
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17:58<efrit>I really don’t understand why it would be the first thing to try
18:00<efrit>anyway
18:00<EmleyMoor>efrit: Well, it's often worth reseating these things if they appear to have stopped working
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18:01<efrit>yeah, but I would have thought that unplugging the USB key while still installing the system would instead obviously make it not working correctly
18:02<EmleyMoor>If it's not working correctly it can hardly make it worse
18:02<efrit>I mean the image is on the file are on the USB key
18:02<efrit>yeah I guess you are right
18:02<efrit>if I understand correctly, the installer is loaded in RAM before being started
18:03<EmleyMoor>efrit: Part of it at least
18:03<efrit>so it doesn’t read the USB key all the time after it is started
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18:03<efrit>ok
18:03<efrit>still, I found it really strange
18:03<efrit>but anyway it worked
18:03<efrit>thanks a lot for the help
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20:15<matt-390E>hello
20:15<annadane>hi matt-390E
20:17<ach>!hello
20:17<dpkg>Hi, ach!
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20:32<matt-390E>Iam run Debian 9.9 on IBM Thinkpad 390E Pentium II 300Mhz 256Mb Ram 4Gb IDE HDD, Go! Exelent in CLI
20:33<matt-390E>:)
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20:39<sarnold>wow :)
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20:57<ach>!screenshot
20:57<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbcat. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots http://screenshots.debian.net/
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21:00<annadane>xfce4-screenshooter is still my favorite screenshot tool
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21:03<ach>!unix
21:03<dpkg>methinks unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS, is what the Internet was built on, sexy, http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, http://www.unix-systems.org/, a gift from the gods, http://www.scarynetworkguy.net. a linux-like operating system
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22:36<ron_>hello, could you help me with a Debian install issue?
22:38<sarnold>you'll need to be more specific than that :)
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