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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-07-20

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01:38<wylel>What are the security issues with using Snap on debian to install things in a server environment?
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02:21<_pa>hi al
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03:34<saati>hello, can someone give me a quick rundown on how interface naming works in current sid? I installed it from stable and dist upgraded 2 days ago
03:35<saati>and my interfaces have weird names instead of something like eth0
03:38<saati>i tried looking around in /etc/udev but it's pretty much empty
03:38<ResidentAlien>Predictable interface naming has been a "feature" for a few versions now. There's lots of info on it out there on the web. Meanwhile just use "ip a" to see what your interface has been named
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03:39<saati>yeah i saw what they are named but i want to set them manually to something i like more
03:40<saati>where is that lot of info? could you give me some pointers?
03:42<ResidentAlien>just search 'predictable network interface names' - basically its about keeping the same names when hardware changes in the device so you dont have to rewrite everything if you add or remove an interface
03:42<free4fun>!wiki
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03:43<ResidentAlien>i suppose you could override the names like I do with my external disks using udev rules
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03:44<saati>they aren't likely to change, they are on the motherboard of the machine
03:44<saati>thanks
03:45<ResidentAlien>but after I got used to it I liked it - enp3s0 is that card - always - no worries
03:45<saati>what does the s0 part mean?
03:45<ResidentAlien>havent a clue!
03:46<ResidentAlien>never delved into it that deeply
03:50<ResidentAlien>I have several servers with several interfaces each - in that environment always knowing the device name of an interface saves me headaches - I know it seems uneeded on a one interface system with a single mb eth chip but you never know - someday you may install a second eth to do routing or internet connection sharing with your local network.
03:50<saati>it's a laptop
03:50<ResidentAlien>hehe ok
03:51<saati>and ok if i plug in a thunderbolt eth and that gets a weird name that's reasonable
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03:54<ResidentAlien>first place I'd try is udev rules to make ens3 or enps0 or whatever appear as eth0
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03:55<ResidentAlien>never tried it though - works a treat for external disks
03:57<ResidentAlien>but thats for devices that appear and disappear - for something thats always there - can't you just make a symlink in /dev?
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04:03<ResidentAlien>perhaps not... I'd still try udev rules first - good luck
04:04<saati>it seems the names refer to pci topology
04:09<ResidentAlien>never looked into the naming convention or the method of predicting 'predictable' names - I just use the names and can trust that they won't change between reboots...
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04:11<saati>okay there is a kernel command line param that disables the whole thing, that will work for now
04:12<saati>although my sense of aesthetics is screaming about using kernel params to instruct systemd to fuck off
04:12<saati>but i can live with that
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04:21<rant>saati: yes net.ifnames=0
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04:22<rant>I have a Netgear WG111v3 USB adapter that has an RTL8187B and it will NOT work with the new predictable ifnames for some reason.. it will act like its working, show APs but will not connect
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04:23<rant>there is also a sys interface to disable it
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04:23<saati>hmm, so the kernel is involved too? or by sys you mean systemd?
04:24<rant>by sys I mean /sys aka sysfs .. its a kernel interface for adjusting things at runtime
04:25<rant>there is probably a systemd way of doing it too for all I know..
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04:34<ResidentAlien>udev rules work for network interfaces - I just looked it up. I would try that route first (for saati) but not rant's issue - I am NOT knowing about that issue at all
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04:39<saati>ResidentAlien: i already added the kernel param, it will do or now, thanks for the help!
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04:40<ResidentAlien>cool - whatever works eh?
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04:41<saati>well lazyness impatience hubris
04:41<saati>i think this works pretty good for the first two
04:41<ResidentAlien>only the lazy create great code to do their work for them!
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05:24<sleeper>is it recommended to have the release name of for example stable, or "stable" in the apt config? I've been thinking like, if I use the release name, I don't risk starting the upgrade to a new release before I've done backups etc.
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05:38<Mikaela>I think release name is safer, but I think apt update would require explicit approval for suite name changing as that happened with Buster
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05:47<uumas>sleeper: It doesn't really mattter because as Mikaela said, it'll ask for approval before upgrading to a new release anyway. If you use 'buster', you can just keep using it when bullseye releases and still get security updates for buster correctly. If you use 'stable' you need to upgrade to bullseye quite soon after it's released.
05:50<sleeper>thanks
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07:47<bittin->Debconf 2019 Streaming infra is up in Brazil now https://eu.live.debconf.org https://eu.live.debconf.org/redir/live/auditorio.m3u8 Still about 1 hour to the first talk however
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08:24<user>hell-o
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08:25<Guest7983>for example about linux installations?
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09:13<Mellamello>Anyone know how to solve pulseaudio periodically turn audio into static sound.
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11:02<laptop>hi, I had a quick question what is the best terminal program (one that opens tabs)
11:02<annadane>"best" is subjective, but i enjoy xfce4-terminal
11:03<Vergo>the used theme will also affect how the terminal looks like
11:03<laptop>i have that already
11:05<laptop>lxterminal
11:07<laptop>also I was wondering if I need vulkan drivers, I have an i3 first generation with previous intel processor graphics card would vulkan drivers help
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11:59<sleeper>Trying to follow https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html . Commented out all entries in sources.list, added the line "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free", then "apt-update" which gives: "The repository http://deb.debian.org/debian main Release does not have a release file".
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11:59<annadane>because it doesn't say buster
12:00<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/1092455/ is mine
12:00<annadane>you haven't specified any release
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12:01<sleeper>heh. you're right. thank you
12:01<sleeper>how could I not see that O_O
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12:03<annadane>probably because your name is sleeper
12:03<annadane>!coffee sleeper
12:03*dpkg decants a fine mug of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for sleeper, courtesy of annadane
12:03<sleeper>thank you :)
12:06<sleeper>is it correct that I should comment out all other entries in sources.list and just add "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib"? I shouldn't use/keep http://security.debian.org/debian-security anymore?
12:07<annadane>no, i think you should keep that
12:08<coruja>if you have a fine stretch sources.list, you may only substitute 'stretch' with 'buster' anywhere and be done with it
12:08<coruja>!sources.list
12:08<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
12:10<sleeper>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#network says "After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing “deb” lines by placing a hash sign (#) in front of them."
12:10<sleeper>ok thanks
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12:11<annadane>yeah but it doesn't say change the structure of the sources.list
12:11<annadane>just don't be using stretch sources
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12:12<annadane>i guess those release notes could say "replace stretch with buster" to be less ambiguous but...
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12:13<coruja>some stretch users may have other e.g. third party repos active, then the release notes are right
12:13<annadane>right...
12:13<coruja>and mind my if statement ;)
12:14<sdk>Well 3rd party repo shouldn't be in your sources.list in the first place
12:14<annadane>not necessarily
12:14<annadane>i use WINE for example
12:14<sdk>there's a sources.list.d/ folder for tha
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12:41<sleeper>I just want to say thank you everyone who hangs here and helps answering questions and help people with their problems <3. I hope you get some appreciation sometimes :)
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12:43<sleeper><3 <3 <3
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13:03<zachaeus>question: fairly new to linux, so please don't roast me, but I had debian 9 installed for a short time, then updated to 10 about a week ago. I was using a video editing app called Shotcut fine under 9 but now, under 10 it's asking me to enable framebuffer for GL2.0. When I run glxinfo i get: OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 18.3.6.
13:03<zachaeus>What would i need to do for the app to see the 2.0 part? or is my issue probably the framebuffer part of the error? any ideas would be great.
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13:22<sqrt{not}>zachaeus: I don't know the answer(s) but it seems to me you may have 2 questions: 1st is using framebuffer a change from before and is it really a good idea, or is it some artifact of the upgrade, and not necessarily what you want
13:22<sqrt{not}>and 2: if you DO want it, how to enable it in OpenGL 2.0, which you do seem to have
13:23<zachaeus>well i didn't do an upgrade, i wiped and started over. so enabling it might be what i am looking for..??
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13:24<sqrt{not}>IDK , maybe --- be patient and someone may see your question and give a better answer than I can.
13:25<zachaeus>thanks
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13:32<sqrt{not}>zachaeus: It looks like they are talking about a "framebuffer" object inside OpenGL, as opposed to the "framebuffer" mechanism in the X-server, so you probably do want to try enabling it
13:33<amacater>zacheus: What desktop environment are you using? Default under Gnome now uses Wayland but you can opt to use Xorg at login ..
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13:33<zachaeus>was xorg used in 9?
13:33<amacater>Yes
13:33<zachaeus>hmmm
13:33<zachaeus>using xfce
13:33<amacater>See also the release notes for Buster
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13:56<laptop>hi I have a 1st gen i3 laptop and it uses intel hd with the i3 processor and I was wondering would vulcan drivers help beyond the mesa ones that come with kernel 4.19?
13:56<laptop>for gaming that is?
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13:58<Vergo>laptop: 1st gen as in westmere? i3-xxx, three numbers instead of four?
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14:00<Smasher>Hey guys, I need some help installing debian on an SSD. I tried going through the installer automatically (Guided partitioning => Use entire disk) etc but it keeps saying file system creation failed and other errors. Also, when I open up a CLI to make a swap partition, then the installer just doesn't detect any partitions at all.
14:01<laptop>i3 m350
14:02<laptop>currently using mesa dri intel ironlake mobile
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14:02<Vergo>laptop: the vulkan wikipedia page compatibility chart suggest that 1st and 2nd gen i-cpus don't support vulkan
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14:03<Smasher>These are the partitions the installer makes. The USB is what I'm installing off of. http://i.imgur.com/6CKoSo3.jpg
14:03<laptop>so I have the best driver at this time, I do not think kernel 5 supports this driver as well i915?
14:04<Vergo>laptop: that's likely the case
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14:13<Vergo>Smasher: I haven't used the graphical installer but at least the text based installer has another terminal containing the output of commands that are being executed and those may contain some error message that gives a better idea of what's happening
14:13<nyov>Hello. I have some trouble with aptitude:
14:13<nyov>E: Repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'stable' to 'oldstable'
14:13<nyov>E: Failed to download some files
14:13<nyov>It ignores those InRelease files, why?
14:14<nyov>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease:
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14:20<nyov>aptitude 0.8.11
14:23<nyov>Hmm, okay. It appears to be a bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915246
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14:27<nyov>manually checking machines for ignored security updates. oh fun
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14:32<coruja>may we see your sources.list?
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14:33<coruja>!paste
14:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:48<nyov>coruja: no, you would just grief me for having FrankenDebian :P The bugreport should explain it though: Upgrading to aptitude 0.8.11 (buster) will pull in a change to libapt
14:48<nyov>also see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931543
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16:04<nezZario>Hmm, so I am trying to make a lib to parse and understand http/ftp apt repositories
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16:05<nezZario>echo "deb https://download.sublimetext.com/ apt/dev/" | sudo tee <--- this is one I don't understand -- taken from sublime's docs, .. it appears apt parses it correctly and does something with it
16:05<nezZario>it has no component and the dist has a forward slash at the end?
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16:11<thsnr>nezZario: hm, that's a weird format idd. my best guess is that having the trailing slash forces apt to omit the "dists/" directory, because the Release file is at https://download.sublimetext.com/apt/dev/Release
16:12<nezZario>Ha, appears so. I literally just found --print-uris and saw that.
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16:36<brainiac_>am getting this error on my linux, Failed to start Show Plymouth Boot Screen.
16:36<brainiac_>-- Subject: Unit plymouth-start.service has failed
16:36<brainiac_>-- Defined-By: systemd
16:36<brainiac_>-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
16:36<brainiac_>need help lease
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16:45<nezZario>Actually, that is documented in man sources.list
16:45<nezZario>Apparently, if it ends with a / and has no components, it is meant to be an "exact path for the root"
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17:33<VALERA-BOROV>олды тут?
17:33<annadane>!ru
17:33<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:33<VALERA-BOROV>damn capitalists
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17:34<petn-randall>VALERA-BOROV: Do you have a Debian support question?
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17:35<EmleyMoor>... in English?
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17:36<VALERA-BOROV>normal people use ubuntu :)
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17:37<petn-randall>VALERA-BOROV: Many people use many things. So if you don't have a support question, please don't add noise to the channel.
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17:42<LouWestin>Genuises use Debian ;-)
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17:47<Callisto>Hi, did you like Think and Grow Rich? I've found a website with more books by Napoleon Hill. And they're all free. And it's completely legal. Take a look: www.selfhelp.rf.gd
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17:54<at0m>looks legit /o\
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17:54<at0m>uhm does not, in case anyone misunderstood the /o\
17:55<annadane>unknown command: p\
17:55<annadane>god damnit
17:55<annadane>i can't even make a joke without typos
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19:16<zachaeus>@sqrt{not} so i just re-installed the whole system with mainly defaults from the debian 10 net install. once doing that opened the same download of ShotCut and it works fine. So i am not sure what i didn't install or what i selected on previous install, but it's all working now...
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19:35<sqrt{not}>OK, good to hear it's working now
19:36<sqrt{not}>probably safest, some video defaults changed between stretch to buster, good to keep it all in sync
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19:55<satellit_>is there a debian-arm channel?
19:56<Vergo>https://wiki.debian.org/IRC says #debian-arm
19:56<satellit_>thanks
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21:25<ghavil>Where's the best place to see if https://git.netfilter.org/iptables/commit/?id=ccf154d7420c0 is able to be pulled into stable for buster? I don't see an open issue but, backports does have the release with this commit.
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21:41<storrgie>when adding subuid/subgid settings for the root user, should one be doing this by hand (editing config files) (trying to run unprivileged containers)
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22:07<sqrt{not}>ghavil: if backports has the version you want, just install from backports ?
22:08<ghavil>Already done on my end, figured if I could help get that commit into stable I could save some folks some pain
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22:52<subu>Hey, I'm getting a "symbol lookup error" when I try to use feh.
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22:52<subu>No idea what that is
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22:54<subu>It says feh: symbol lookup error: feh: undefined symbol: imlib_context_set_colormap. Any idea how to fix this? I tried duckduckgoing it but nothing really obviously helpful came up.
22:57<azeem>which version of Debian?
22:58<subu>strech
22:59<subu>debian 9.9, kernel 4.19
23:00<petn-randall>subu: Can you paste the full output?
23:01<subu>That is the full output. feh: symbol lookup error: feh: undefined symbol: imlib_context_set_colormap
23:01<nezZario>For one, ... how have I never seen https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html .. and why isn't this like, advertised somewhere?
23:01<nezZario>Learned so much from that
23:02<nezZario>Anyway, ... anyone familiar with how the heck "by-hash" works in apt repositories?
23:02<petn-randall>nezZario: It is advertised in places where it's relevant, like #debian-mentors
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23:02<nezZario>I can't find any documentation for it anywhere. The wiki "DebianRepository/Format" doesn't explain it at all, nor does the Deb Policy files
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23:03<nezZario>Annnnd scratch that
23:03<nezZario>Literally as soon as I asked I found the section in the wiki
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23:05<nezZario>Hmmm okay, well... after reading that...it makes me beg the question, why is that useful?
23:05<nezZario>So you have InRelease which is a big list of [hash] [size] [filename]
23:05<nezZario>And, instead of grabbing via filename, you can grab it via the hash?
23:07<petn-randall>subu: I'd double-check that all libraries are on stretch. Sounds otherwise like you have a library mismatch on your system.
23:08<petn-randall>nezZario: I guess it's easier to parse when the variable part is in the end?
23:08<nezZario>I mean, I guess it is possible that the underlying files change between the time you download the release index and download the next file, so it makes a little more sense to download-by-hash so you don't download the wrong file?
23:08<nezZario>But, is that it?
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23:08<petn-randall>i guess you'd have to read up on the history to understand why certain things are like they are today.
23:08<nezZario>I mean it just seems like a massive undertaking to handle either of those things.
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23:11<nezZario>Hmm, does apt have a mailing list maybe? I can't really even find the development page of apt.
23:13<petn-randall>nezZario: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/apt
23:13<petn-randall>ML, git repo, it's all linked on that page.
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23:19<subu>petn-randall: How can I remedy a library mismatch? I tried removing and reinstalling feh and libimlib2. Didn't work.
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23:20<sqrt{not}>subu: do you have package "libimlib2" installed on your system ?
23:21<sqrt{not}>subu: ahh, you answered before I asked....
23:22<petn-randall>subu: Can you show us the output of `apt-cache policy feh libc6 libcurl4 libexif12 libimlib2 libpng16-16 libx11-6 libxinerama1 yudit-common`? → https://paste.debian.net
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23:35<subu>petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a58b9d3a/
23:36<subu>Oh and it says "N: Unable to locate package libcurl4". Idk why that didn't get in the file
23:37<themill>nezZario: it's to ensure that apt can cope with the Release and Packages files being slightly out of sync on the mirror, which happens quite a lot on mirrors that Debian doesn't run
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23:42<subu>libcurl3 is 7.52.1 though
23:44<nezZario>themill: that makes a lot of sense. the diff index files as hashes makes a ton of sense but I didn't understand why everything was available by hash
23:45<nezZario>But yeah I'd assume it would take a bit of effort to keep the mirror updates basically atomic as well
23:46<themill>Atomic(ish) updates is quite doable using the ftpsync script that Debian distributes. It just does the rsync run in 3 stages. Trouble is most mirror operators want to only run rsync once.
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