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00:48<gturner>anyone know how to https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad with buster? I had been running custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-local.conf file with things like Option "SoftButtonAreas" "66% 0 82% 0 33% 66% 82% 0" on this laptop since jessie. no longer effective after buster upgrade, even after ensuring i'm running Xorg instead of Xwayland
00:50<gturner>i.e. make this horrible single-button trackpad emulate three mouse buttons
00:50<twb>gturner: synaptics is gone
00:50<twb>gturner: hutterer replaced it with libinput which is tuned entirely differently
00:50<gturner>twb: hmmm... Xorg log has chatter about synaptics
00:50<twb>Here is what I do:
00:50<twb>xinput set-prop 'Cypress APA Trackpad (cyapa)' 'libinput Tapping Enabled' 1 # Enable tap-to-click
00:51<twb>...in my .xsession
00:51<twb>gturner: oh well maybe I misunderstood how replaced it really is
00:51<twb>gturner: but I couldn't get it to work the old way
00:52<gturner>twb: okay thanks for the hint, will go look at xinput. last i read (in 2014?) it couldn't do stuff like make the lower edge act like three separate mouse buttons
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00:52<gturner>e.g. Option "AreaBottomEdge" "82%" + Option "SoftButtonAreas" "66% 0 82% 0 33% 66% 82% 0"
00:53<gturner>... works like 18% of the area at bottom, split into three sections, act as left/middle/right buttons. got so used to that. it'll be a bummer if i have to retrain to tap clicking or whatever
00:53<Koartin>what is the most significant gain from having a lot of RAM?
00:55<twb>Koartin: fs cache
00:55<twb>Koartin: if you have enough RAM, don't even buy a hard disk :-)
00:56<Koartin>so the os code will be kept in ram?
00:57<Koartin>thats good point
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00:58<twb>Koartin: Ok so you know that the computer has to remember things -- like programs and user data and where the mouse is and what the screen looks like
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00:58<Koartin>ur just saying it wont need the page file on the hdd as much
00:58<Koartin>?
00:58<twb>Koartin: the computer can remember things in many places, which have different tradeoffs of speed, capacity, and volatility (whether it needs constant power)
00:58<twb>Koartin: yes
00:59<Koartin>okay
00:59<twb>Compared to a HDD or SSD, RAM is faster, smaller, and volatile
00:59<Koartin>volatile/?
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01:00<twb>Typically you will use *ALL* the RAM you can get, and anything that doesn't fit, you use the disk. Adding more RAM means less disk, so the whole system feels faster.
01:00<twb>Koartin: "volatile" means when you turn the computer off, the data is forgotten
01:00<Koartin>itell u though
01:00<Koartin>in my 20 years of playinng on computers
01:00<Koartin>nothing really feels "faster"
01:00<twb>Koartin: that is because developers are evil evil people
01:01<Koartin>oh
01:01<twb>Koartin: every time engineers make RAM cheaper, developers make programs even more slower
01:01<Koartin>yeah
01:01<Koartin>its like
01:01<Koartin>even thoughthe hardwware is better
01:01<Koartin>the software is more complicated
01:01<twb>imagine that people keep making cars faster and lighter, and developers keep adding bricks to it and telling everyone the bricks are useful
01:01<Koartin>so it baalances out all the same
01:02<Koartin>yeah
01:02<Koartin>thats kinda the picture im getting
01:02<twb>sometimes it's just because the developers are lazy
01:03<Koartin>hm
01:03<Koartin>well
01:03<Koartin>i will admit though
01:03<twb>I have seen lecturers tell students "don't worry if your program is crap, you can always just force the customer to buy better hardware"
01:03<twb>That is how we get web browsers
01:03<Koartin>i havenoticed a ddifference when doing intense mathematical tasks
01:04<twb>Koartin: yeah there are some specialised problems that need the extra RAM to work at all
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01:05<Koartin>well, im just saying the faster CPU did actully translate to faster calculations
01:05<Koartin>but
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01:05<Koartin>that doesn't discount the phenomenon you're describing
01:05<Koartin>like boot uptime on lots of systems is still the same as 20 yearsago
01:06<twb>Note that CPUs also have RAM inside them :-)
01:06<Koartin>u'd think you'd see a drastic improvement in that time
01:06<twb>very small very fast RAM, called "L1 cache" and "L2 cache"
01:06<Koartin>but no
01:07<Koartin>ah
01:08<twb>You can see if the old OS is faster by just running it on a new computer :P
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01:08<twb>FreeDOS boots directly on modern hardware and is easy to test
01:08<Koartin>yes
01:09<twb>It boots quite slowly for me, but that's because I download the OS from the internet every time I boot :P
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01:09<Koartin>hm
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01:12<ryouma>moore's law is not what it used to be
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01:13<ryouma>my 2006 or so computer is not much slower than today's top of the line consumer cpus for single threaded benchmarks
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01:14<twb>ryouma: NVMe instead of AHCI rust though
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01:15<ryouma>?
01:16<ryouma>i just care about emacs
01:16<twb>ryouma: I mean the disk I/O speed should be about 100 times faster
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02:12<Zentibel>Hey all, I am using ltsp on debian 10 but I have a problem, all the thin clients screen resolutions are set to 1024x768 as maximum (The monitors are 1080p) and I can't change it with xrandr or arandr. I have tried changing XRANDR_MODE_0 in the ltsp config but that changed nothing.
02:13<Zentibel>Would appreciate it if someone could help me out.
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02:18<twb>Zentibel: what does xrandr say
02:18<Zentibel>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1024x768 0.00* 800x600 0.00 640x480 0.00
02:19<twb>so it's not offering any other resolutions
02:19<Zentibel>Nope
02:19<twb>Do the thin clients generate an Xorg.0.log ?
02:19<twb>If so, look in there for EDID / DDC detection data
02:20<twb>Does the thin client have an integrated monitor? If not, plug in different test monitors (and restart Xorg)
02:20<Zentibel>There is a file called Xorg.0.log but it's empty
02:20<twb>Also try booting an ordinary laptop/desktop as a thin client
02:20<Zentibel>Also the monitor is not integrated it's an external monitor
02:21<Zentibel>I'll try booting my laptop as a thin client
02:26<twb>and try to find the "real" Xorg.0.log
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02:44<Zentibel>So my laptop doesnt want to boot as a thin client
02:45<Zentibel>I'll try plugging in a different monitor and see what happens
02:46<fjhc>what is it on, HDMI, D-SUB, DMI?
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02:47<fjhc>DVI, etc.
02:48<Zentibel>It's connected to dvi
02:49<fjhc>with an adapter?
02:49<Zentibel>DVI -> VGA
02:49<fjhc>graphics card?
02:50<fjhc>what brand and model
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02:51<fjhc>lspci -kv | less
02:52<jm_>i wouldn't be surprised if DDC fails for that
02:53<Zentibel>I did screenfetch
02:53<Zentibel>And it says
02:53<Zentibel>"Chrome9 HD"
02:53<Zentibel>Under GPU
02:54<twb>fjhc: good catch
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02:58<fjhc>Zentibel: do you have xserver-xorg-video-openchrome installed?
03:00<Zentibel>fjhc: Nope, installing now
03:00<twb>oh *that* chrome
03:00<twb>I was thinking "oh gods not another google dongle"
03:00<Zentibel>lol
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03:01<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Graphics
03:02<Zentibel>Ok another question
03:03<Zentibel>How can I make sudo commands persistent?
03:03<twb>Zentibel: define "persistent"
03:03<Zentibel>Not lost on reboot
03:03<Zentibel>sudo apt install
03:03<Zentibel>Only installs for the current session
03:03<twb>Zentibel: in ltsp?
03:03<Zentibel>Yes
03:03<twb>Zentibel: that's because ltsp is live -- it's by design
03:04<Zentibel>Ah ok
03:04<twb>for Debian Live there are persistence boot options
03:04<twb>I do not remember what exists for LTSP
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03:05<Zentibel>So how would I install a program for all sessions?
03:06<twb>ask the LTSP people
03:06<Zentibel>Alright
03:06<twb>Zentibel: /join #ltsp, on Freenode
03:06<Zentibel>Alright cheers
03:07<twb>Also, I have a similar product that I sell a complete solution for
03:07<twb>If you just want to pay someone to solve this for you, email sales@prisonpc.com
03:07<Zentibel>Back to the pertinent question, after installing xserver-xorg-video-openchrome, I presume I should restart my xserver?
03:07<twb>yep
03:08<Zentibel>Alright, brb
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03:43<Zentibel>Sorry for the late update I was trying to get it installed system wide but installing that package did just the trick. Thanks very much for helping me out
03:44<fjhc>welcome
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03:51<leetspark>hello
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03:52<leetspark>so anyone know how to change the directory of default web server from /var/www/html ?
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03:53<jm_>you can easily tell it to serve other directories
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06:11<luna_>Location for the Debian Day in Stockholm in August now fixed
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06:30<david>hi
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07:02<alfa73>hi guys!
07:04<alfa73>hey is anybody there?
07:04<alfa73>hello !
07:04<Vergo>!ask
07:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:04<alfa73>got it.
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07:08<Vergo>!next
07:08<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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07:53<hallo>hi there - I can
07:53<hallo>t get access to my ftp server - iptables -L -n included
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07:54<hallo>https://pastebin.com/raw/JPh7P9wJ
07:54<hallo>has anyone an idea?
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10:50<debuser>hi, who can help me with nvidia drivers?
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10:53<mydeepin>hey
10:53<debuser>hi
10:53<mydeepin>SUP
10:53<mydeepin>Finally got hexchat to work
10:54<mydeepin>how can i make my own hexchat
10:55<blast007>hexchat is an IRC client. I assume you mean you want to create an IRC channel?
10:56<mydeepin>yes i want my own chat here
10:56<blast007>http://www.irchelp.org/faq/new2irc.html
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10:58<mydeepin>WHat is a ping timeout
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10:59<blast007>debuser: keep questions in the channel please
10:59<debuser>who knows why after installing the drivers, the system boots only through ctrl + f1..f6?
11:00<debuser>NVIDIA
11:00<blast007>debuser: you sent through the instructions here? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
11:00<blast007>went*
11:00<mydeepin>going afk bye
11:01<debuser>yes
11:01<blast007>which GPU do you have, which version of Debian are you running, and which package did you install?
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11:03<debuser>GTX-650, buster, nvidia-driver
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11:05<mydeepin>Hi rdy
11:05<mydeepin>darn
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11:07<mydeepin>hi ansel
11:07<mydeepin>clear
11:07<blast007>mydeepin: this is a support channel, not a social channel. you don't need to greet everyone or tell us when you're afk.
11:07<mydeepin>Ok
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11:09<blast007>debuser: It does look like the nvidia-driver from buster supports that GPU, so I'm not sure why it isn't working for you. Stick around and maybe someone will have some advice.
11:12<mydeepin>What version of Debian are your running?
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11:13<mydeepin>This article may help with the driver issue:
11:13<mydeepin>https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-9-stretch-linux
11:14<debuser>I have already tried to play games with this driver and it works. but the system only after installing the drivers is loaded through ctrl + f1, otherwise system infinitely stopped during startup
11:14<mydeepin>So you have to press Ctrl + F1 to start the drivers?
11:15<debuser>i'm missing. Ctrl + ALT + F1
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11:16<blast007>then the graphical interface loads?
11:16<debuser>to start the gdm
11:16<debuser>yes
11:16<debuser>after i'm press Ctrl + ALT + F1
11:16<blast007>hmm, so maybe it's just starting on the wrong TTY
11:17<blast007>(or whatever the correct term is... VT?)
11:17<debuser>tty
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11:25<debuser>The launch stops on console messages:
11:25<debuser>Resuming from hibernation
11:25<debuser>fsckd-cancel-msg:Press Ctrl + C to cancel all filesystem checks in progress
11:25<GyrosGeier>the "Resuming from hibernation" should really be a FAQ
11:28<debuser>if i press ctrl + c then nothing happens
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11:47<piper>the problem with that link above for nvidia drivers is that nvidia-xconfig is a deprecated X configuration tool except for jessie (oldoldstable) and shouldn't be used, the same with xorg.conf although there are circumstances where a xorg.conf is needed other wise xorg.conf is deprecated
11:48*piper should have looked that the person left
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11:49<piper>and never use the .run from nvidia when debian has drivers
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11:50<jhutchins_wk>piper: I wouldn't say it's deprecated, just no longer needed. xorg.conf.d is often used.
11:50<piper>jhutchins_wk: someone should change that then https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-xconfig
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11:51<piper>i found that it messes things up pretty bad
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11:54<piper>the best way to install nvidia in debian is like this http://paste.debian.net/1093732/ very simple and foolproof
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11:54<angst>is the invalid cert for https://security.debian.org by design?
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11:55<debuser>i changed from gmd3 to lightdm and my system has booted correctly
11:55<grove>piper: Maybe you should update the wiki, with a section for Buster? (I don't care about nvidia)
11:55<angst>i was trying to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-8/openjdk-8-jdk-headless_8u222-b10-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb however our corp antivirus web proxy flagged it as having a virus... so i was looking into it a bit...
11:55<piper>grove: no thank you
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11:58<debuser>it turns out that after installing the drivers on gdm3, the system will not start correctly. But after I installed lightdm everything worked
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12:01<piper>grove: i look at it as one hand washes the other, debian irc treats siduction like shit, so i don't get involved, i occasionally help out when i can
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12:02<piper>it's the only linux irc channel that does so
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12:04<piper>don't get me started with mythtv, kodi (dmo) :) :)
12:07*piper damn sney, you dissappointed me not make your usual comment :(
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12:11<piper>!dmo
12:11<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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12:11*piper had to do it :)
12:12<piper>roflhfao :P
12:13<piper>5 myth forums, 2 kodi forums, then forums like AV and few others prove otherwise, but hey, what the fuck do we users know :)
12:14<piper>ok, i should take my medication now, rant over
12:14<piper>*mythtv
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15:58<Guest8810>is debian stable on ryzen first gen
15:58<Guest8810>?
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16:17<ton>Is debian kernel compromised by nsa, speck modules?, any one knows? Do I have to worry about compiling my own kernel?
16:20<sarnold>ton: < sqrt{not}> user ton is gone now, but the speck crypto was removed from kernel source almost a year ago: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1808.0/05238.html
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16:24<annadane>ton: speck crypto was removed from the kernel a year ago http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1808.0/05238.html
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16:37<ach>!sad
16:37<dpkg>hmm... sad is this channel most of the time, or that feeling you get when your hd dies
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16:54<phonetik>hello
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16:56<annadane>didn't even last 20 seconds
16:56<annadane>never mind, my system clock is wrong
16:57<annadane>...how is my system clock wrong?
16:57<annadane>test
16:57<annadane>my system time is right... my openbox clock skips minutes
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16:58<annadane>or specifically my tint2 clock
16:58<annadane>that's really... annoying. how can i possibly file a bug if i have no idea what causes it
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17:03<annadane>sorry, kind of babbling here
17:03<piper>annadane: battery on motherboard can cause that issue if motherboard is old, I don't use tint2 so no clue, generally speaking system clock in general
17:05<piper>annadane: sometime doing dpkg-reconfigure tzdata can do wonders also
17:06<annadane>thanks for the tip
17:06<piper>your welcome ;)
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17:27<shsh>hi,
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17:32<tyler>help\
17:33<tyler>my newly downloaded os is asking for this media: Debian Gnu/linux 10.0.0 _buster_ -official amd64 DVD binary-1 20190706-10:24
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17:38<sqrt{not}>tyler: context? are you installing debian 10, and not finished ?
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17:39<piper>tyler: i don't use debian but is this installed or are you in the process of installing
17:39<piper>sqrt{not}: sorry, i wasn't fast enough
17:40<tyler>no its finished, i encounter the problem when trying to download a file using apt-get install
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17:41<piper>nano /etc/apt/sources.list probably comment out lines similar to deb cdrom:[Debian Gnu/linux 10.0.0 _buster_ -official amd64 DVD binary-1 20190706-10:24 there might be more than one line sqrt{not} might know more
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17:49<tyler>okay ill try it
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17:52<sqrt{not}>tyler: you want to have lines like this: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
17:53<tyler>yes i only commemnted out the described line, but it didnt work
17:53<sqrt{not}>tyler: do you have any of the http lines in there ?
17:54<blast007>did you run 'apt update' afterwards?
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17:56<sqrt{not}>tyler: make sure you have an http line that I showed already, and also this one: deb http://security.debian.org buster/updates main contrib non-free
17:57<sqrt{not}>and comment out anyt DVD lines ( put a # character at the start of the lines)
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18:43<chromium>I have a question about how to downgrade chromium
18:43<chromium>Since i just upgraded it and now no extensions work
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19:23<rob_debian>Hi all
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19:24<sarnold>heh, looks like chromium never got around to asking a question..
19:25<rob_debian>Please, I'd like to know if there's a manual for configuring a Debian Database Server (MariaDB or PostgreSQL)
19:28<sarnold>rob_debian: probably the mariadb vs pgsql part of the question is more important than the debian parts of the question
19:28<sarnold>rob_debian: do you have an applicaiton that wants one or the other? or both?
19:28<sarnold>rob_debian: or are you writing something yourself?
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19:45<ton>Someone was compiling a kernel yesterday and there were a bunch of modules under nsa name, in the security section.Hmm ...
19:46<sarnold>SELinux?
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19:47<ton>Don't know exactly, just saw the screenshot. Is Selinux developed by nsa? Is it loaded by debian kernel?
19:47<abrotman>ton: You can browse the source tree and look
19:48*abrotman assumes it stands for Non-Sentient Algorithm .. the Anti-SkyNet ;)
19:48<ton>ok, will have to check that, thanks
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19:51<rob_debian>Sorry for late response, sarnold, thanks for attention. In fact I've mentioned about these two possible options because are available in debian stable repository. Basically I'm not experienced on configuring Open Source database in Debian, so that I'd like to know if there's information about it.
19:52<abrotman>rob_debian: about Maria vs PGSQL?
19:53<abrotman>or just generally how to configure them?
19:53<rob_debian>Basically, it will be used to temporarily store data from another database server that will be remotely accessed through SSH in Debian Database Server. The person who will do this will have to upload the data from this remote database (documents txt files, pdf files (tons of them) and storage in PostgreSQL or MariaDB tables
19:54<rob_debian>Hi abrotman. No, not about Maria vs PostgreSQL, I mentioned them because one of them will be used for the purpose explained above
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19:55<abrotman>They're both acceptable for the task (with as much info as has been given) .. it would really come down to a) any other requirements b) performance testing
19:55<rob_debian>My basic question is concerned about any previous Debian configuration for that, if there is any specific configuration in Debian OS before start using ssh for accessing remotely another db
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19:57<rob_debian>I see, abrotman, and as I asked to sarnold before, is there any debian tutorial for configuring databases ? Sorry if my question doesn't make sense if that's the case, but I'm worried about that.
19:58<sarnold>rob_debian: almost nothing that's debian-specific; the postgresql documentation is some of the most amazing documentation around, it's well worth your time https://www.postgresql.org/docs/
19:58<abrotman>rob_debian: realistically, the docs that are provided at the maria/postgres sites should be sufficient. One thing you may want to consider is the size of the files you'll be inserting. I'd definitely do some research about field/row size before heading down one route or the other
19:58<rob_debian>I just found other type of official debian documentation here related to databases, but they are about packaging: https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#dbapp-policy
19:59<rob_debian>I see abrotman. Really sarnold ? Oh, so it will basically using only database documentation :)
19:59<sarnold>rob_debian: the ubuntu server guide corresponds very closely to the debian way of things -- the specific versions may differ, but the rest looks really good https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postgresql.html
20:00<sarnold>rob_debian: I found this site a fantastic guide to the SQL end of the world https://modern-sql.com/
20:01*abrotman didn't realize that Maria still had such small limitations for row size
20:01<sarnold>oh? what are the limits?
20:01<sarnold>and does another storage engine go further?
20:01<abrotman>Best I can find, 64k
20:01<sarnold>wow
20:01<abrotman>I can't tell if that's for all storage engines or not
20:01<sarnold>I mean, it's not *usual* to store huge blobs in databases, but that feels small, you know? :)
20:02<rob_debian>Sarnold, so I'll read about documention on these sites you've passed me. Thanks a lot for great support.
20:02<abrotman>ah, it say 4GB for BLOB fields though
20:02<sarnold>rob_debian: you're welcome, have fun :)
20:02<sarnold>abrotman: alright, that's more like it
20:03<abrotman>The maximum size for BLOB and TEXT columns is 4GB. This also applies to LONGBLOB and LONGTEXT.
20:03<abrotman>MariaDB imposes a row-size limit of 65,535 bytes for the combined sizes of all columns. If the table contains BLOB or TEXT columns, these only count for 9 - 12 bytes in this calculation, given that their content is stored separately.
20:03<rob_debian>Abrotman, I'll check official PostgreSQL for my task here too, Thanks a lot you too for Great Support
20:03<abrotman>sarnold: but still ,why is the row size so limited ..
20:04<rob_debian>Thank you so much sarnold ! God Bless you, abrotam and Debian Warriors ! :)
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21:03<nezZario>Hmm isn't there a systemd way to handle what autofs does for NFS?
21:04<nezZario>Can't really find much recent reference to Debian+Autofs
21:04<nezZario>It seems it's mostly a rhel thing
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21:09<piper>nezZario: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
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21:23<nezZario>Well ug... K, nevermind.. I thought the functionality provided by sssd was something intrinsic to autofs
21:25<nezZario>Between that ^ and reading a little of their source... They interact with autofs via c lib.. I was thinking more of systemd_mount() / systemd_automount().... Is there any way to provide systemd with dynamic units?
21:25<nezZario>I am trying to put together a adhoc replacement for sssd that works better on Debian...
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21:28<sarnold>what exactly are you looking to do with dynamic units that would replace autofs?
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21:30<nezZario>Just be able to auth via nfs4 using kerberos (maybe)
21:30<nezZario>It's already basically not worth it
21:32<nezZario>Unless there is something super simple.. I mean I could call systemctl directly... Or just write the files directly but that feels extra dirty
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21:33<nezZario>I assume systemd has a lib I could call too but whew again this had already added up to an immense amount of effort
21:34<sarnold>so.,. what are you expecting it to *do*? mount something via a pam_something module when a user logs in? or demand-mount specific nfs mounts when a process requests a path?
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21:46<hacktivista>hello world :)
21:46<hacktivista>Guys, I'm preseeding a debian buster installation
21:46<nezZario>The latter would be ideal. I have a very thin custom pam module. I am pretty awful with c, but luckily there are plenty of examples. It's just basically forwarding questions to a Unix socket which is managed by a higher level language.
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21:47<hacktivista>And it's getting apache installed, I don't know why
21:47<nezZario>Hackintech: I believe "apt-cache depends apache2" will answer why
21:48<nezZario>Nevermind maybe wait for somebody else to answer i can't remember if it is apt-cache apt-get or dpkg
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21:49<hacktivista>it says Depends: apache2-bin apache2-data apache2-utils lsb-base mime-support <perl:any> perl procps
21:50<hacktivista>I've not installed any of those...
21:50<nezZario>Sorry that's the wrong way around
21:50<hacktivista>xd ok, thns
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21:51<nezZario>aptitude why apache2
21:51<nezZario>Try that, but aptitude usually isn't a part of the base os so you may need to install it
21:52<hacktivista>yes
21:52<hacktivista>curious, it's actually php fault
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21:52<hacktivista>I suppose I'll need to install other php package
21:53<hacktivista>I'll recheck that
21:54<hacktivista>yes... wow
21:55<hacktivista>seems like I'll need to install php with php-fpm directly
21:55<hacktivista>https://packages.debian.org/buster/php7.3
21:55<hacktivista>nezZario: thanks a lot
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21:57<nezZario>hacktivista: install it as php7.3-cli php7.3-fpm nginx all in one go if you are trying to use it against nginx
21:57<hacktivista>yup
21:57<nezZario>If you just want the cli just ask for cli
21:58<hacktivista>I was installing 'nginx php', but now it's ok
21:58<nezZario>Oh really?... That will still trigger the dependency on apache?
21:59<hacktivista>seems like... I'll check and let you know
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22:19<phunyguy>Hi, is it possible to have swap start sooner in the boot sequence? This one system is very constrained on memory, and is failing with out of memory immediately upon trying to open the luks device for /var.
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22:19<sarnold>ouch
22:19<phunyguy>Immediately after failing, swap turns on. A little too late.
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22:20<phunyguy>It's a VM... with 1024MB RAM, but a ballooning device to allow it to drop to 512. Guess that's too low for crypt.
22:22<phunyguy>the crypt device for swap is also unlocked way before this. Not sure why it is waiting until after trying to unlock more filesystems before it turns on.
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22:23<hacktivista>nezZario: I can confirm the information
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22:33<blast007>hacktivista: installing php-fpm should be enough as that'll depend on the current php fpm package (php7.3-fpm) which in turn will depend on php7.3-cli and other necessary stuff
22:35<blast007>Haven't tested this yet, but using the package names without the 7.3 may also help when upgrading to a new Debian release later. I had directly installed the php7.0-... packages on Stretch and had to do some manual uninstalling and installing to switch my 7.0 packages to 7.3 when I upgraded to Buster.
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