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---Logopened Fri Aug 02 00:00:35 2019
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00:48<damien>Help please. I'm having trouble editing xorg.conf. I installed xserver-xorg-core and firmware-linux-nonfree for VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop)
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00:51<jm_>you need to describe your problem/what you want to achieve - only then can someone help
00:52<damien>edit /etc/x11/xorg-conf file is empty
00:52<damien>i can't adjust the screen resolution
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00:54<jm_>yeah these days one does generally not need xorg.conf - first of all, are you sure you're still using Xorg and not wayland? which DE are you using?
00:55<damien>kde
00:55<jm_>then it is Xorg - have you checked its logfile?
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00:57<damien>no, I am looking at it now though, what do i need to look for?
00:58<jm_>put it on the paste site
00:58<jm_>!paste
00:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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01:02<damien>http://paste.debian.net/1093988/
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01:05<jm_>it says Output HDMI-1 using initial mode 1920x1080 +0+0 - is that not OK?
01:07<damien>its fine for most things but I'm having trouble reading some text and wanted to make some adjustments if possible
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01:08<damien>much of the picture and text is not sharp enough
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01:10<jm_>have you tried changing stuff via System Settings/Display and Monitor?
01:11<damien>i couldnt find the gui
01:12<damien>I didn't look hard enough obvously... I just found it
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04:05<mischief3>hm.. i installed debian 10 and firefox-esr recently and visiting https://support.mozilla.org/ gives an SSL error. why is that?
04:06<jm_>what does it say for its certificate details?
04:07<jm_>it lists some Amazon cert for me, expiring on July 13, 2020
04:07<mischief3>the popup box for viewing details that can be accessed from the url bar actually shows no details. all fields appear empty.
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04:08<kc661>hi
04:08<kc661>is there anyone?
04:09<mischief3>jm_: https://i.imgur.com/uycPdIM.png
04:10<jm_>mischief3: and if you click on view certificate? you can also try openssl s_client -showcerts -connect support.mozilla.org:443
04:11<mischief3>jm_: ironically the button does nothing
04:11<mischief3>jm_: http://ix.io/1Ql1
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04:12<mischief3>hmmm..
04:13<mischief3>i think something is messing with my connection
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04:13<jm_>mischief3: yeah looks different compared to mine, maybe it's some sort of CDN issue
04:14<jm_>it says zscaler and then wiki article for it says To use Zscaler, Internet traffic from fixed locations such as branch offices or factories, roaming devices and mobile devices is routed through Zscaler points of presence before going on to the public Internet.[
04:14<jm_>:)
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04:17<_kab>> The Zscaler service can inspect HTTPS traffic from your organization. 
04:17<_kab>https://help.zscaler.com/zia/about-ssl-inspection
04:17<jm_>so yeah definitely something is messing with it
04:18<_kab>It's doing a MITM attack for "security" purposes
04:18<duclicsic>precisely
04:18<duclicsic>it's presenting its own cert in place of the real one for support.mozilla.org
04:19<duclicsic>there is some proxy/firewall in your network path that is inspecting ssl traffic
04:19<_kab>Probably injected its root certificate into the cert store before which is why you haven't noticed it until you reinstalled your browser
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04:48<amoe> Does anyone know what happened to 'gnome-settings-daemon' in buster? Specifically the program 'gnome-settings-daemon' itself seems to be gone, although the package is still present.
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04:53<tarzeau>amoe: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon_3.30.2-3_changelog see 6.jul.2017
04:55<grove>and possibly the entry for the following version
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05:28<ali>hi/ Is there any plan to bring deepin desktop env to debian ?
05:30<ali>hi/ Is there any plan to bring deepin desktop env to debian ?
05:30<ali>hi
05:32<amoe>I'm speculating that some part of gnome-settings-daemon is responsible for making "gtk-key-theme-name" work in settings.ini
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05:34<amoe>indeed, it is gsd-xsettings
05:38<grove>!deepin
05:38<dpkg>deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net
05:40<duclicsic>well.. the question was about the desktop environment included in that distro, and whether it would be coming to defacto debian
05:41<duclicsic>the answer is of course that debian relies on people volunteering to package such software
05:41<duclicsic>so there is no defined 'plan'
05:41<duclicsic>maybe someone is already working on it, if not you can try to package it yourself
05:41<grove>Do they have their own DE, or is it just a configured <whatever>?
05:42<duclicsic>it appears that they have their own
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05:48<grove>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp;dist=unstable has 20 matches when you search for deepin, but those bugs are nearly 2 years old, so it seems there was some intentions two years ago
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05:51<ali>thanks .
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06:46<didier>Hi everyone, I have problems updating system. I was with Buster testing for 6 month. Since it is stable I can't udate for security issues, keys and stuffs. Not pro with it only good user. Terminal says to check apt secure (8) no idea. Anyone can help?
06:50<jm_>!apt suite changed
06:50<dpkg>If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
06:50<jm_>that should help
06:52<didier>this in Terminal? "apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change"
06:52<jm_>it's an option for the apt-get command, or use apt and it will prompt you
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07:09<didier>I tried all possiblities. I would need the precise code, for I don't know enough
07:14<jm_>apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-change" update
07:14<jm_>bleh remove "
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07:22<didier>don't find command
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07:22<jm_>you run it as root in the terminal
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07:39<didier>yes as root
07:40<jm_>did you run it? apt-get is /usr/bin/apt-get so I don't see how you would not been able to run that as root
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07:54<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier# apt-get--allow-releaseinfo-change" update bleh remove"
07:54<didier>bash: apt-get--allow-releaseinfo-change update bleh remove: orden no encontrada
07:54<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier#
07:54<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier# apt-get--allow-releaseinfo-change" update bleh remove"
07:54<didier>bash: apt-get--allow-releaseinfo-change update bleh remove: orden no encontrada
07:54<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier#
07:55<EmleyMoor>You need a space after apt-get, for a start
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07:58<didier>No tiene sentido la opción de línea de órdenes --allow-releaseinfo-change update bleh remove combinada con las otras opciones
07:58<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier#
07:58<didier>say it makes no sense this option
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08:05<grove>!tell didier about localized-errors
08:06<thsnr>didier: apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-changed update
08:06<thsnr>'bleh remove "' was a comment, not part of the command
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08:12<hmuller>greetings. I am getting an error "amdgpu requires firmware installed" during boot, X does not start, no /dev/dri/card0. But firmware IS installed in /lib/firmware/amdgpu. any pointers?
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08:14<hmuller>If this is the incorrect channel for that question, please provide a pointer to the right one.
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08:23<weedloser>hm
08:24<weedloser>what kernel and which card?
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08:40<raff>Hello
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08:41<raff>Suddendly, I can't log anymore to debian 10.
08:42<raff>The only different thing in my environment is that I'm traveling, which makes debugging more difficult
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08:46<grove>raff: Can you be more specific. What are you trying, what happens when you do so, and what used to happen?
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08:47<raff>There's no login screen just a underscore at the top left of a black screen and the mouse pointer
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08:49*GyrosGeier suspects it's waiting for the network
08:49<raff>In recovery mode systemctl shows me a problem with ath10k, sap driver initialization failed
08:49<GyrosGeier>ath10k is a wireless network driver
08:51<raff>Yes I too suspect it's something to do with the network
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08:52<raff>Any idea of what I can do ?
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08:55<hmuller>weedloser: radeon rx 580, 4.19.0-5-amd64
08:57<hmuller>lsinitramfs shows the firmware in the initrd in /boot, so I am at a loss of where to look next
09:00<hmuller>i'm going to leave to try to boot the 4.19.0-4-amd64 kernel, I should have tried that earlier. back in a few.
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09:08<hmuller>Looks like the problem may be related to the kernel, X starts normally with the 4.19.0-4-amd64 kernel
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09:10<hmuller>I am going to reinstall the linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 package and see if the problem persists, back in a few
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09:18<hmuller>reinstalling the kernel did not help. ah, I see I should be in #debian-next.
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09:54<CQ>hello, I just updated a VM from stretch to buster, and now I'm getting an emergency console. journalctl -xb doesn't seem to be helpful, I cant see why this is happening...
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10:01<stilima>Hi! Buster: why was the libgconfmm package removed from the repository? Can't find any info.
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10:07<Vergo>stilima: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911566
10:07<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/911566 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: gconfmm2.6 -- RoM; RoQA; unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-10-21; last modified: 2018-12-03.
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10:17<stilima>Thanks! I guess I have to use the dconf c api ...
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11:37<neonfuz>Hey
11:37<neonfuz>so I've been using debian stable as my system for a while, ran on testing and upgraded to stable when it came out
11:37<neonfuz>problem though: my computer only successfully boots maybe 1/20 times or so, and fails the other times
11:38<neonfuz>I have dual graphics with intel and nvidia (using nvidia-legacy-390 driver), and when I enable more verbose debugging with systemd.log_target=kmsg I get some error messages relating to nvidia sometimes
11:39<neonfuz>surprised to see debian not working out of the box, other distros worked fine for me
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11:43<sqrt{not}>neonfuz: Are you saying debian has this problem the entire time you are "using debian stable as my system for a while" or is it something new
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11:59<neonfuz>sqrt{not}: I've had the problem since I switched from a different distro to debian
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12:00<neonfuz>seems to be a debian issue, other people with similar hardware probably have the same issue
12:00<neonfuz>googling around it seems to be an issue ubuntu users have had in the past
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12:02<sqrt{not}>if you think it is related to the graphics hardware, can you show us some of the error messages you see sometimes, in a pastbin ?
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12:34<didier>root@zenesc:/home/didier# apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-changed update
12:34<didier>E: No tiene sentido la opción de línea de órdenes --allow-releaseinfo-changed combinada con las otras opciones
12:34<didier>Still say it make no sense the option of comands
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12:35<blast007>--allow-releaseinfo-change, not --allow-releaseinfo-changed
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12:35<blast007>or just try 'apt update' as it sounds like apt will just prompt you to accept the new info
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12:55<h_csm4>-yes
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13:11<magyar>hi, can I use apt-get to install a package in /opt instead of /?
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13:15<tarzeau>a package is installed all across the filesystem?
13:15<tarzeau>you can always chroot into a /opt directory but it requires a base system installed there
13:15<tarzeau>magyar: what are you trying to accomplish?
13:16<magyar>tarzeau: I have a package freerdp installed from main deb repo and would like to install a nightly build from upstream to /opt and not overwrite the current install for testing purposes
13:17<tarzeau>ugh. just install the nightly, test it, and reinstall the original?
13:17<tarzeau>that's much easyer than what you are trying
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13:17<magyar>got you, thx
13:17<blast007>or test in VM
13:17<tarzeau>apt-get install -t stable freerdp is the trick to downgrade a pkg
13:18<mohit>hello new user here
13:18<magyar>tarzeau: I'm in the stable branch already
13:18<tarzeau>that is the command to use AFTER you installed the nightly one, to restore the original
13:18<magyar>trying to figure out if it's a debian issue or not
13:18<magyar>tarzeau: bahh, got it, thanks
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13:38<hthoreau>Hello there.
13:39<hthoreau>I'm trying to add the Portuguese language to the spellchecker of an app I've isntalled from the Software Store, called "Marker"
13:39<hthoreau>I've installed portuguese using `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`
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13:40<hthoreau>installed the portuguese localization*
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13:41<bremner>Is "Software Store" something in debian?
13:42<hthoreau>bremner: Sorry, its the `gnome-software` application
13:42<bremner>ah, ok.
13:43<hthoreau>`locale -a` lists en_US.utf8 and pt_BR.utf8.
13:45<hthoreau>But Marker's spellchecker lists only a bunch of localizations for english. It has en_US, en_ZW, en_PH, en_NZ, etc.
13:45<hthoreau>Maybe there's a package for speelcheking english that I'm missing for portuguese?
13:45<hthoreau>spellchecking*
13:45<hthoreau>xD
13:46<sqrt{not}>hthoreau: what is the actual debian package you installed to get this marker program ?
13:47<hthoreau>sqrt{not}: It's a package from flatpak.
13:47<hthoreau>Hm...
13:48<hthoreau>Is there a package for spellchecking in debian? Maybe I'll have to install its equivalent over flatpak, come to think of it.
13:48<hthoreau>As it is somewhat sandboxed.
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13:49<sqrt{not}>did you install the marker program first, and then later the portugese locales ?
13:55<blast007>hthoreau: 'marker' may already be something you got from flathub/flatpak as I'm not seeing that in the gnome software application here nor in packages.debian.org
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14:03<hthoreau>sqrt{not}: Yes.
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14:04<sqrt{not}>you might try to remove and then reinstall the marker, so it sees the portugese when it is being set up
14:07<blast007>wouldn't it need a Portuguese dictionary, not the Portuguese locale?
14:14<annadane>why does mp3 not show up in xfce's mime type editor?
14:15*tarzeau wonders what a mime type editor is. you mean .desktop files? from the freedesktop.org'analisation?
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14:16<annadane>"mime type editor", it comes with xfce
14:16<annadane>now, i should probably learn how to set mime types by hand
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14:19<tarzeau>i've never had the feeling mime types or any file manager worked properly on linux
14:19<annadane>actually wait a second, i'm not even doing this properly
14:20<annadane>i forgot pcmanfm has a set association thing
14:20<annadane>thunar does it automatically, it's manual in pcmanfm
14:20<piper>hmm, konqueror to me is the best filemanager, wish i could purge dolphin ;) :)
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14:21<tarzeau>i felt mc or gworkspace.app be the ones which felt most comfortable to me
14:21<hthoreau>blast007: I think so too. I added hunspell and myspell, to no avail. I asked the maintainer how he has made the implementation of libgtkspell on Marker. If he was able, or it is possible to add other languages to the spellchecker.
14:21<annadane>i just don't use my brain before asking questions in IRC...
14:21<hthoreau>I'll wait for his response. I'm not in a hurry.
14:21<piper>mc is just to windows to me :(
14:21<hthoreau>Thanks for the help sqrt{not}, blast007.
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14:22<tarzeau>piper: norton commander was for dos, but not from microsoft
14:22<annadane>file managers in linux do kind of suck but oh well
14:22<annadane>more reason to learn the cli
14:23<piper>tarzeau: yeah, i know that, i still have old ms disks
14:23<tarzeau>piper: and amiga?
14:23<piper>no, i didn;t, wife still has
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14:25<annadane>actually i do like pcmanfm, it has the best defaults of any file manager i've used
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14:27<piper>hard to believe that almost 30 years ago i was installing ms 3.1 for cardinal health, both my son & daughter today are ceo's there, i feel old
14:28<sqrt{not}>mc as in midnight commander ?
14:28<piper>i hope that is what tarzeau was talking about, because that is what i was talking about :)
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14:29<sqrt{not}>I'm happy to see debian still has 2 variants of kermit
14:29<piper>the frog ?
14:30<piper>humour sorry
14:30*piper needs a beer & smoke
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14:32<tarzeau>piper: favourite beer?
14:32<piper>IPA
14:32<tarzeau>yes of course, i have EDITOR=mcedit
14:33<piper>Indian Pale Ale and labatt which is from canada, canada is 5 minutes from me :)
14:34<tarzeau>across the border?
14:34<piper>yes, i live in us
14:34<tarzeau>are you flying piper pa too? by chance
14:34<piper>hehe
14:34<tarzeau>had my first IFR flight with a cessna + g1000 two days ago, fun
14:36<azeem>please keep it on topic
14:37<annadane>i swear most file managers are essentially, "we have to bundle a file manager with our desktop [and here's a few we stole off github], they all basically have exactly the same features because it's a fscking FILE MANAGER you idiot, so let's not innovate anything new"
14:37<annadane>except maybe double commander
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14:37<sqrt{not}>i didn't know there was mc in debian, i only dimly remember it from 8088 days
14:38<azeem>8088? maybe you remember norton commander?
14:38<tarzeau>sqrt{not}: omg you missed something. i even built the free software version of FAR
14:40<sqrt{not}>yes, remember nc and mc {with wavy lines} but don't know FAR
14:40<annadane>there's a lack of "here's a good way to set custom shortcuts, and a way to change the background, or a way to set it to the theme of the desktop you're using" - some will do some of those, but it's rare that you find something that isn't missing one key feature
14:40<annadane>i guess you can use emacs as a file manager...
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14:41<tarzeau>sqrt{not}: https://www.farmanager.com/screenshots.php?l=en it was way advanced on win32
14:41<tarzeau>sqrt{not}: like you could do recursive file processing of all kinds (lfn, long file names)
14:42<annadane>FYI https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_midnight_commander_mc
14:43<tarzeau>sqrt{not}: https://github.com/elfmz/far2l
14:43<annadane>maybe mc can do all this stuff too, i just haven't investigated
14:44<tarzeau>annadane: it was far less intuitive when switching from windows far to linux mc to me (but that was 1999)
14:44<sqrt{not}>nice screenshots, good to have an FTP mode. wustl archives, anyone ?
14:44<annadane>pcmanfm is fine but i'm legitimately at the point of just wanting to write my own file manager at this stage
14:44<annadane>none of them do what i want!
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14:52<tarzeau>annadane: and what you want is?
14:53<piper>tarzeau: i only have 50 hours flying a cessna (404 Titan II) and a lot more hours skydiving, i can't do either anymore because of medical conditions, but it was fun sorry ot
14:53<annadane>honestly just "more customizability", like i said different file managers have different things but there isn't anything rolled into one
14:53<annadane>it really doesn't matter
14:54<annadane>i'm actually fine with my current setup, it's just a general observation on the state of file managers
14:54<annadane>ignore my insane ranting
14:55<piper>konqueror, file management, phone managment, web browser, pretty good all-in-one :)
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15:38<annadane>where did xfwm4-themes go in buster? was it ever a package or am i just dreaming?
15:39<annadane>,v xfwm4-themes
15:39<judd>Package: xfwm4-themes on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.0-2; stretch: 4.10.0-2
15:39<annadane>oh. shoot. really?
15:39<annadane>judd, why isn't xfwm4-themes in buster
15:39<judd>No package named 'isn't' was found in buster/amd64.
15:40<azeem>if it's not in sid it likely got removed because it is obsolete
15:41<annadane>for a theme package?! in a well known desktop? wtf.
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15:41<azeem>ROM; unmaintained upstream
15:41<azeem>https://tracker.debian.org/news/1011394/removed-4100-2-from-unstable/
15:41<annadane>yeah, i saw. i'm just surprised.
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15:43<annadane>they couldn't, like, literally just copy the exact same code over to buster?
15:43<annadane>it's a theme... stuff doesn't change
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15:49<tarzeau>annadane: debian is the "user made" linux distribution, why didn't you step in maintain the package then?
15:50<annadane>i'm aware, thanks
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15:52<Vergo>annadane: if the package exists in stretch and the content is only text files (or something similar) then it's most likely trivial to do a local backport if you still need the content
15:53<annadane>i probably will package it myself, i'm just surprised something that simple isn't in buster. i'm NOT saying "those stupid lazy maintainers". just surprised
15:54<annadane>but tone is hard to read over the interne
15:54<annadane>t
15:55<Vergo>it's possible those old themes are no longer fully compatible with the xfce in buster
15:56<annadane>yeah, understandable
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16:06<tarzeau>annadane: what i miss much more in rename, with parameter like 'y/a-z/A-Z/' *
16:06<tarzeau>and rl (ok shuf is a great replacement)
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16:44<tarzeau>nyancat is cool, but it's got no sound???
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16:53<rant>eh.. what?
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16:53<rant>all I am seeing for nyancat is some stupid meme about a pop tart
16:53<annadane>,i nyancat
16:53<judd>Package nyancat (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Animated terminal Nyancat. Version: 1.5.1-1; Size: 15.2k; Installed: 75k; Homepage: https://github.com/klange/nyancat; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nyancat
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17:00<tarzeau>you need to hear the music on youtube
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17:12*rant is more partial to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyZDq76T74
17:13<tarzeau>rant: cool! TGIF
17:15<rant>goes good with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTvou9yp4yI
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20:20<RobinHood2019>I can't enable SDDM (for graphical login) on Debian with a KDE desktop. Terminal output to follow.
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20:22<RobinHood2019>http://paste.debian.net/1094134/
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20:32<ais-admin>RobinHood2019, try this: ln -s /usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service /etc/systemd/system/
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20:36<vnc>hi
20:38<RobinHood2019>Logout required; will return momentarily if method fails.
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20:42<RobinHood2019>Not applicable. SDDM still does not start.
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20:46<sney>RobinHood2019: sounds like some files belonging to the sddm package got screwed up somehow. Try this:
20:46<sney>"aptitude purge sddm" and then "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall sddm"
20:46<sney>ooh, and apt clean before that, in case it's the package itself that got corrupted. (or just delete that specific one from /var/cache/apt/archive)
20:47<sney>I am currently using sddm on buster and I was previously using it on stretch, across a few systems, so the service itself does work in normal cases
20:56<RobinHood2019>Oh dear. I didn't have aptitude installed on my system, so I had to substitute the 'apt' command, and after I did 'apt purge sddm', a subsequent 'apt' command listed 252 packages as safe to remove by 'apt autoremove'. I think I screwed up somewhere...
20:57<sarnold>heh, which packages? did it make sense?
20:58<annadane>'apt autoremove' is not mandatory; if you see a giant list of stuff you want, don't do it
20:59<sney>RobinHood2019: aptitude is a little smarter than apt. That second command won't even work with regular apt. you can apt install aptitude to get it.
20:59<sney>(mumbles something about changing defaults)
21:00<RobinHood2019>Well, I don't really know what most of them are, but the LibreOffice suite was among them. http://paste.debian.net/1094136/
21:00<sney>autoremove can be ignored safely. there's probably a screwy dependency somewhere. it can be dealt with after the sddm thing
21:01<annadane>well, 'ignored' relatively speaking. apt can decide it wants to remove them anyway if you do an upgrade
21:01<RobinHood2019>Either way, 'systemctl enable sddm' still fails with the same error.
21:01<annadane>you can apt-mark hold the packages, however
21:02<sney>apt won't automatically run autoremove. it'll just display the "the following packages are no longer blah blah" message until you do something about it. aptitude would, but they haven't got that one.
21:02<ais-admin>I thought you were supposed to 'dpkg reconfigure sddm' and not 'systemctl enable sddm' to enable sddm?
21:03<sney>both should work
21:03<ais-admin>ahh thx
21:03<sney>dpkg-reconfigure would give you the nice debconf prompt but they're basically doing the same thing. ]
21:04<sney>I guess along with disabling any competition (gdm, lightdm etc) but hopefully RobinHood2019 has already done that
21:04<RobinHood2019>I get 'bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found'
21:05<RobinHood2019>Well, I do have a '/etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service' link which is set to start SDDM, but it's not working.
21:07<sarnold>on my ubuntu bionic, dpkg-reconfigure is supplied by package debconf -- do you have debconf installed?
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21:09<RobinHood2019>Yes, according to apt, 'debconf is already the newest version (1.5.71).'
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21:10<sarnold>how about: dpkg -L debconf | grep dpkg-reconfigure -- probably /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure -- is that in the output? what's ls -l on that? and if it's there, executable, is /usr/sbin/ in your PATH?
21:11<RobinHood2019>Got one -- /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure. And for some reason, /usr/sbin is not in the PATH.
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21:13<RobinHood2019>Executing '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure sddm': It's complaining about a missing invoke-rc.d.
21:13<sarnold>also /usr/sbin.. probably best to put /usr/sbin into your PATH, then try again
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21:20<RobinHood2019>Okay, I've appended /usr/sbin to my PATH and run the command again. This time, it returned no output.
21:22*bremner suspects "su" with "-l"
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21:32<piper>journalctl -u sddm will be long might give you a clue
21:32<piper>would be interesting to see sddm-greeter --test --theme /path/to/your/theme
21:33<piper>and what error that gives
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21:34<brandon_>From 'journalctl -u sddm': http://paste.debian.net/1094140/
21:34<piper>that can't be all of it ;)
21:35<piper>there should be over 200 lines to it
21:35<piper>*2000
21:36<brandon_>I don't believe I have any themes installed that I could pass to the --theme parameter on the sddm-greeter command, but if I run 'sddm-greeter --test' as root, it returns no output; but as a common user, I get "GREETER: High-DPI autoscaling not Enabled" and "Unknown option 'test'."
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21:40<piper>i don't know which is the default theme in debian, i make my own
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21:41<piper>as for the journal mine is lines 2422-2440/2440 (END)
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21:44<RobinHood2019>Well, if I type 'journalctl' by itself, it's 1705 lines long.
21:45<piper>GREETER: High-DPI autoscaling not Enabled this is for wayland, it should be false so that is good
21:47<RobinHood2019>Wayland... Come to think of it, that's really what my endgame is here. I'm trying to get an SDDM screen so I can easily change from Wayland to Xorg, and enable HDMI underscan.
21:48<piper>if you run sddm --example-config it might tell you something also, it will differe between gnome and kde or whatever i use kde so wayland is probably a good 10 years yet, i should be dead then from old age
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21:49<piper>RobinHood2019: i take it your running gnome, if so, i don't like it, don't use it so sorry ;)
21:49<RobinHood2019>Oh, no, I'm running KDE Plasma.
21:51<piper>ok, good luck with wayland, i run sid and i run siduction/debian sid kde & wayland not good :)
21:51<RobinHood2019>That's what I mean. I want to get out of Wayland and back to Xorg.
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21:53<piper>did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:54<RobinHood2019>Just ran it; no output was returned.
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21:58<piper>RobinHood2019: when you are logged out, sddm should have a session switcher in the buttom left corner or up top
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21:58<piper>i use my own theme so it is on top
21:59<RobinHood2019>...aaand that leads me back to my original problem. I don't have a session switcher because I can't see the SDDM screen in the first place.
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22:04<piper>apt install --reinstall sddm gives nothing
22:04<piper>apt policy kwin-wayland-backend-x11
22:05<RobinHood2019>http://paste.debian.net/1094143/
22:05<RobinHood2019>So do I need to install it?
22:06<piper>no
22:07<piper>how did you get a wayland session to begin with, sddm still needs x, did you purge stuff or install stuff
22:08<RobinHood2019>No, I chose KDE Plasma as my desktop manager from the installation program on my USB stick.
22:08<piper>emerge --ask kde-plasma/plasma-meta
22:09<piper>shit wrong term
22:10<RobinHood2019>Sounds like a Gentoo command to me.
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22:11<piper>hmm that don't make sense, it's been like this since install ?
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22:13<RobinHood2019>Yes.
22:13<piper>RobinHood2019: yes, i have one machine running a gentoo, but no gui for awhile, now i need a gui for my granson and guitar
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22:14<piper>i have to throw him off, he knows a little debian 20 yr old brat keep him on his toes ;)
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22:15<piper>RobinHood2019: is this a new install or no
22:16<RobinHood2019>Yes, it's a new installation.
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22:17<piper>were you ever able to log in
22:17<RobinHood2019>Yes, I can log in through the command line.
22:17<RobinHood2019>And then do "startx", which for whatever reason dumps me into Wayland instead of Xorg.
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22:23<piper>yeah reading at dev-talk nvidia forums using gnome and a few people had the same, they were told to reinstall, it worked, but trying to figure something else out here
22:24<RobinHood2019>Reinstall the entire dang OS?!
22:24<piper>i would wait for smarter people before i did that
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22:27<piper>RobinHood2019: what video card by chance, is this a laptop or desktop
22:27<RobinHood2019>I mean, I haven't saved anything extremely important on my Debian box. I'm actually dual-booting Debian with Windows 10, with the latter holding all my sensitive stuff. So, theoretically, I /could/ delete and reinstall Debian without much of a problem, but I think you're right; there has to be a better solution than that.
22:28<RobinHood2019>I'm on a desktop, with an AMD Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X, code named Cape Verde XT, as reported by running 'lspci | grep -e VGA -e 3D'.
22:30<piper>was curious, did you make a xorg.conf or left it default as is, you shouldn't need one, why i am asking
22:30<RobinHood2019>No, I didn't touch xorg.conf.
22:30<piper>ok, you should be good there
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22:31<piper>i have to leave because of medication, post your problem again, be patient, someone will answer, check arch and gentoo wiki's for maybe some clues, sorrry i was no help at all
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22:32<piper>and ubuntu, forgot there wiki too
22:32<RobinHood2019>Jeez, I should have just gone with Linux Mint...
22:32<RobinHood2019>Had darn near zero problems there; everything just worked out of the box.
22:33<piper>siduction installs in about 2 minutes, takes me 7minutes to build a kde iso :)
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22:33<piper>nah nothing wrong with debian, it;s much better than it was in the 90's :)
22:35<piper>patients grasshopper, someone will help
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22:46<laptop>hello when I upgrade to debian 10 I cannot access the internet it is like there is no wifi driver
22:46<laptop>anyway to install debian 9 and then get debian 10?
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22:51<annadane>i know interface names changed, maybe that's why
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22:55<laptop>no
22:55<laptop>it works on my current computer fine
22:55<laptop>not my other older laptop, I cannot get it to recognize the internet or the video card
22:55<laptop>can I update my current debian 9 to debian 10?
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