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02:20<furaidi>is there live-dvd with contrib and non-free working out of the box?
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02:22<annadane>furaidi, yeah, they're listed here https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
02:22<annadane>specifically, https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.0.0-live+nonfree/
02:22<furaidi>thx
02:23<jm_>that does not include entire non-free and contrib does it?
02:23<furaidi>didn't think of 'unofficial' releases :)
02:24<jm_>yeah looks like just firmwares are included as extra
02:25<annadane>i kind of understood the question to mean the firmwares specifically but yeah, you have a point
02:26<furaidi>firmwares is all what I need at live-dvd, thx
02:26<jm_>ahh then it's spot on
02:28<furaidi>I've also tried Ubu19.04 and it's works on laptop with all devices, but current deb-live isn't
02:29<furaidi>so notice that the way to solve it - is firmware and non-free modules
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04:09<andria>Hello ! How could i create a specific session for my children who launch immediately gcompris instead of gnome ? Thanks you !
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04:12<truongtx>Hello, Debian 10 with kernel 4.19.0-5-amd64 missing bfq scheduler
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04:12<truongtx># cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler [mq-deadline] none
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04:15<jm_>andria: with debian session you can write your own startup script, ~/.xsession
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04:16<jm_>truongtx: bfq is only available for drivers using blk-mq, pass scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 to enable it for all
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04:19<truongtx>jm_: Thanks for your infor. I will check it out.
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04:49<EmleyMoor>I have a new install of buster, on a machine whose purpose will require it to be running vino so that it can be controlled remotely with a VNC client. Unfortunately vino in buster seems to be obscure to configure. Can anyone guide me on how to configure it?
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04:55<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: have you considered trying a different (easier to configured and/or better documented) VNC service?
04:55<annadane>i can't help with vino specifically but generally good steps are: /usr/share/doc/package; man page; debian wiki; failing all else, arch wiki
04:56<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: I could, I guess, but I like the way vino works - if I can find another that works at the greeter onwards, then I could indeed try it
04:57<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer is actually semi decent
04:57<annadane>sorry, i'd be more helpful if i could
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05:01<EmleyMoor>annadane, it's practically irrelevant to my issue, sadly...
05:01<annadane>arch wiki is generally very detailed, it's just of course not guaranteed everything from arch works on debian
05:01<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately everything I've found about vino is for older versions
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Now I'm at the point of installing packages just to read their documentation
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05:13<EmleyMoor>I am not at all sure there is a workable alternative to vino in my case
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05:21<EmleyMoor>I am open to suggestions, of course...
05:21<ConnectingMedia>Is there a way to exempt a single version of a package when installing it through a script?
05:21<ConnectingMedia>I have a script that automatically installs some software and required packages alongside. Now I've discovered that the current most recent version of a particular package is broken.
05:22<ConnectingMedia>So I naturally can just select the version below, which is fine on paper
05:22<ConnectingMedia>However the package receives quite a few updates (monthlyish) and it would be nice if I could just skip the bad version in the script without selecting a specific version
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05:25<drybjed>ConnectingMedia: you could 'apt-mark hold' the package, it's state will not be changed by APT
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05:41<TotallyNotKim>EmleyMoor: any other vnc server?
05:42<EmleyMoor>TotallyNotKim: But *which*? I can't see one that provides for accessing the greeter like vino does... though it could just be I'm not familiar enough
05:45<ConnectingMedia>drybjed, I don't want to hold the package, I want to skip a version entirely
05:46<TotallyNotKim>ConnectingMedia: pin the specific version of the package in /etc/apt/preferences
05:46<TotallyNotKim>set Pin-Priority 99 or something < 100
05:47<TotallyNotKim>ConnectingMedia: https://wiki.debian.org/de/AptPreferences#A.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fpreferences
05:48<TotallyNotKim>Pin: version <version to skip here>
05:49<TotallyNotKim>hold will, well hold the current version for ever, the pin above will make sure the version specified will never be installed, at least not automatically
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06:03<ConnectingMedia>Ah ok
06:03<ConnectingMedia>That's a great idea!
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06:07<EmleyMoor>vino will configure if you choose "GNOME on Xorg" at login... unfortunately it's no good until you *have* logged in...
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06:12<TotallyNotKim>EmleyMoor: AFAIK a vnc server started as service / from terminal (directly) on some display should show everything that xserver shows, no matter if you're logged in already or not
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06:13<EmleyMoor>TotallyNotKim, I do not need it on *some* display, I need it to be on the primary monitor. It defeats the purpose of the machine otherwise
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06:14<duclicsic>by *some* display they mean an x11 display, not a physical monitor. though since you're running gnome in buster I'm guessing you might be using wayland, in which case I have no idea where you'd even start.
06:15<TotallyNotKim>EmleyMoor: so check what $DISPLAY is for that session, probably :0
06:15<TotallyNotKim>x0vncserver can attach to existing sessions
06:15<EmleyMoor>Is there system level VNC/RDP available?
06:15<TotallyNotKim>it's packaged in tigervnc-scraping-server
06:15<duclicsic>in the past i've been successful using "x11vnc" which you can run by just sshing to the remote machine and running it in the terminal, that has allowed me to vnc in and see my lock screen or login manager
06:16<TotallyNotKim>duclicsic: x11vnc doesnt seem to be maintained anymore
06:16<duclicsic>ah, shame
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06:16<duclicsic>it was a handy tool
06:16<TotallyNotKim>x0vncserver "replaces" / continues it
06:16<TotallyNotKim>works well, at least on stretch
06:16<GyrosGeier>for games, I'd use Steam :P
06:17<EmleyMoor>duclicsic, That idea only slightly fails my requirements. I would need it to be more simply "on". However I intend to try out x0vncserver
06:17<GyrosGeier>the question is: do you also need the primary display to work?
06:17<GyrosGeier>there is a VNC-only X server that you can run on a server
06:18<GyrosGeier>that doesn't need a graphics card and tells all the apps that their windows are hidden when no clients are connected
06:18<EmleyMoor>GyrosGeier, yes, I need the primary display to work. It is the direct purpose of the machine - for watching YouTube etc. onthe TV
06:18<GyrosGeier>ah
06:18<TotallyNotKim>EmleyMoor: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-start-a-vnc-server-for-the-actual-display-scraping-with-tigervnc/
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06:18<GyrosGeier>because display scraping works through the XDAMAGE extension on normal X11
06:18<TotallyNotKim>however, I would replace the autostart script thingys with proper systemd units
06:19<GyrosGeier>but that assumes only small changes that can be transported losslessly
06:19<GyrosGeier>watching videos through VNC is a bad idea
06:19<TotallyNotKim>yeah, will probably look bad
06:19<GyrosGeier>will probably lag
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06:20<TotallyNotKim>at least that
06:20<EmleyMoor>I won't be watching the videos through it, merely controlling the machine I am watching them on
06:20<GyrosGeier>ah
06:20<TotallyNotKim>spice comes into mind, would that work?
06:20<GyrosGeier>I'd just get a RasPi and connect that to the TV
06:21<GyrosGeier>use Kodi and the YouTube plugin
06:21<EmleyMoor>GyrosGeier: ... and control it how? Besides, my available funds amount to about a farthing!
06:21<GyrosGeier>through the TV or AV receiver remote control, via CEC
06:22<kristaps>Hello, chromium package in stretch and buster looks very old (73.0.3683.75-1) and vulnerable to many exploits https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium . Is it safe to use, does anybody know why it is not getting updates?
06:22<EmleyMoor>In other words learn more and more crap I don't really need
06:22<GyrosGeier>kristaps, security fixes are backported
06:23<TotallyNotKim>EmleyMoor: welcome to the game
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06:23<thsnr>kodi also has a smartphone remote control app which is really simple: you just need to be connected to the same network
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06:23<GyrosGeier>kris, packages in stable are not updated if we can help it, so people can just auto-update without things breaking
06:24<EmleyMoor>... more and more crap...
06:24<GyrosGeier>if there is a security problem, the fix is applied to the old version
06:24<TotallyNotKim>at that point you can plug a chromecast into the tv, put it in a vlan and some fake google account if you dont want that evil thing in your house
06:24<TotallyNotKim>costs as much as a new pi and just works (tm)
06:24<GyrosGeier>EmleyMoor, the problem is that the video pipeline is non-trivial
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06:26<EmleyMoor>GyrosGeier: explain what the video pipeline is and its relevance
06:26<GyrosGeier>EmleyMoor, video is decoded in the graphics card instead of the CPU
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06:26<GyrosGeier>if possible, that is
06:27<GyrosGeier>VNC is good at catching changes to the screen that the CPU makes, but video decoding bypasses that
06:27<jm_>EmleyMoor will not be watching videos remotely
06:27<GyrosGeier>so it falls back to "welp, the whole screen changed, better take a snapshot and transfer that"
06:27<GyrosGeier>true
06:27<jm_>just start the video or whatever remotely
06:27<GyrosGeier>but VNC doesn't know that
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06:28<GyrosGeier>so you start a video, close VNC, and at the end of the video, reopen VNC to take back control?
06:28<GyrosGeier>sounds annoying
06:28<jesopo>take back control
06:28<EmleyMoor>GyrosGeier: could use x2vnc perhaps, if I have my laptop in there with me...
06:28<GyrosGeier>even that works through XDAMAGE
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06:29<GyrosGeier>XDAMAGE is an extension that keeps track of which parts of the screen have changed and need to be redrawn
06:29<GyrosGeier>the X server does that anyway, and XDAMAGE just exports the data
06:29<GyrosGeier>this is good for normal GUI apps
06:30<EmleyMoor>Exports it to <nowhere important>
06:30<GyrosGeier>x2vnc basically tells the X server "tell me whenever something on the screen got redrawn"
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06:31<GyrosGeier>there are two ways for things to be drawn: proactive and reactive
06:31<EmleyMoor>A wireless KPD would be another way...
06:31<GyrosGeier>normal GUI apps are reactive if possible: they tell the X server "oh BTW this area is no longer up to date", and the X server sends an event "oh BTW this area needs to be redrawn"
06:32<GyrosGeier>except the event isn't sent if the window isn't shown
06:33<GyrosGeier>apps that work like that can be updated via VNC efficiently: areas that are not up to date are never transmitted, and once the paint event is handled, the area from the event is transmitted immediately
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06:34<EmleyMoor>You are concerning yourself with aspects that really do not matter
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06:36<brokerer>Hmm, regarding chromium package security status. Looking at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium it seems that buster and stretch are vulnerable to like 51 security issues and from https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium it looks like last update to chromium in buster was made like 4 months ago (including backports?). Are non of these issues considered important enough to update? I do not see how not updating browser for
06:36<brokerer>like 4 months could be secure?
06:36<GyrosGeier>brokerer, are there updates in debian-security?
06:37<GyrosGeier>the stable distribution itself is changed only for point releases
06:38<brokerer>Looking at https://packages.debian.org/buster/chromium i do not see any more updates from debian-security.
06:38<GyrosGeier>that is broken then
06:38<EmleyMoor>I'm actually coming to the conclusion that a wireless KPD may be the *only* way now!
06:38<GyrosGeier>EmleyMoor, quite possible
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06:43<thsnr>EmleyMoor: as i understand you have a computer hooked up to a TV and want to use it as a media center? kodi is perfect for that and provdes many-many remote control options
06:44<furaidi>I have used PLEX for that purpose
06:44<EmleyMoor>I will look but London to a brick I have none of them
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06:46<furaidi>mmm London?
06:47<thsnr>none of what? remote controls? you can use any smartphone or sans that it even has a web interface for other computers
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06:47<EmleyMoor>Ah, that sounds possible then... but I've not found the "nitty gritty" about it yet
06:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a "kodi on Debian" guide/howto?
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06:50<brokerer>Thanks GyrosGeier, will try to get more details why this is the case.
06:50<thsnr>,v kodi
06:50<judd>Package: kodi on amd64 -- stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; bullseye: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; buster: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.6-dmo1+deb9u3; bullseye-multimedia: 5:18.3-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 5:18.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:18.3-dmo1
06:51<thsnr>https://kodi.wiki also has many guides
06:53<EmleyMoor>What hasn't become clear to me yet is how to make kodi be "the thing which comes up by default"
06:55<GyrosGeier>I think the kodi wiki has a howto
06:55<GyrosGeier>I think the sanest approach is to create a "kodi" user, set it up so the login session starts kodi, and make that user auto-login after a timeout
06:56<EmleyMoor>It seems to have a stack of stuff! It's pulling out the "plums" that's hard
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06:56<GyrosGeier>there should be a "quickstart" guide
06:56<GyrosGeier>but yes, the Kodi people have lots of documentation
06:57<EmleyMoor>There is but it's a misnomer
06:57<GyrosGeier>yes, they are a bit overexcited about what is possible and want newbie users to be able to use all the features
06:58<EmleyMoor>The only feature I "want" right now is "machine goes into Kodi by default"
06:58<thsnr>getting it to come up by default should be a two-step process: a) configure auto-login for a user b) have your DE autolaunch the kodi app
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07:00<EmleyMoor>Furthermore I don't yet see how it manages playing Internet content
07:01<EmleyMoor>Ah, may be getting somewhere
07:01<GyrosGeier>thsnr, probably better not to have a full DE
07:02<GyrosGeier>they tend to get in the way
07:02<n00buser>how can i get all factoids from dpkg bot?
07:02<thsnr>agreed, but that complicates setup further
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07:10<EmleyMoor>OK, how do I get Kodi to play something from YouTube? I've selected "Search YouTube" but that does nothing!
07:12<Yoda-BZH>!kodi
07:12<dpkg>XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v17 is available in Stretch. http://kodi.tv/ #kodi on irc.freenode.net.
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07:15<noorul[m]>EmleyMoor for Kodi related, refer to Kodi chatroom, Irc forum, please
07:16<EmleyMoor>OK, will do
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07:24<EmleyMoor>It looks promising if and only if I can get it to work!
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07:25<n00buser>how to post a package to debian repo and become it's maintainer?
07:25<n00buser>!package
07:25<dpkg>Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>.
07:25<n00buser>!maintainer
07:25<n00buser>!package maintainer
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07:26<bremner>n00buser: #debian-maintainers, see the topic in that channel
07:26<n00buser>bremner, thx
07:26<bremner>err. #debian-mentors, sorry
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07:58<EmleyMoor>Right, this is now looking good. How do I create a user that is logged in at startup by default?
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08:03<saati>EmleyMoor: into X?
08:04<saati>nodm works
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08:07<EmleyMoor>I think I can handle that... where do I specify an app for the session to start?
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08:10<saati>i would do it in the user's .Xsession https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession
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08:23<EmleyMoor>All this machine now lacks: wifi (needed due to no wired network in lounge yet), content (trapped on a currently broken PC), a shelf (got one, but it needs a cable notch cut), backup strategy (but that needs the broken PC too)
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10:24<SuperMX_>hello
10:25<SuperMX_>i am trying to install a new linux kernel (linux-image-4.10*-armhf.deb) on my bananapi pro. first, it said unsupported device with flash-kernel, but i saw that the program supports the lemaker banana pro. so i copied the config into etc/flash-kernel/machine to override it. now the deb package installs without errors but with warnings: root device does not exist no media-info file found no tarball .size no tarball md5sum file
10:25<SuperMX_>the deb installation ends with flash:kernel: deferring update (trigger activated) but in boot i see the updated vmlinuz 4.10 files
10:25<SuperMX_>uname -r still says 3.4.103
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11:13<sqrt{not}>SuperMX_: I don't know if it will help, but you could also ask here:
11:13<sqrt{not}>!rpi
11:13<dpkg>The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net.
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11:25<n00buser>i just installed debian 10.0 with kde and it boots to console not showing sddm. then using startx i was able to login to the desktop. after examining dmesg log i found that there is a [Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1" if the current driver doesn't work. How to do this?
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11:29<blast007>n00buser: what video chips/cards do you have in that system? are there multiple graphics cards?
11:30<n00buser>blast007, no it's laptop. has ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850
11:30<n00buser>but it has two display ports + hdmi
11:31<n00buser>maybe it's related somehow
11:32<n00buser>i also noticed some acpi bios errors and warnings
11:33<blast007>is it a system with hybrid graphics? maybe intel graphics in the CPU itself?
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11:33<aindilis>does anyone know how to use git annex here?
11:33<blast007>lspci -nn | grep VGA
11:33<n00buser>ACPI error: method parse/execution failed \_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP.DD01._BCM, AE_NOT_FOUND
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11:34<aindilis>I converted an important repo into git annex, and I can't accomplish anything with it, it's so confusing
11:34<blast007>I see an error like that on my desktop at home (throws like 8 or so of them up at each boot)
11:34<aindilis>so I'd like to convert it back to a normal repo
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11:35<n00buser>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [ATI/AMD] Heathrow PRO [Radeon HD 7850M/8850M] [1002:6827]
11:36<piper>dmesg | grep -i vga will show a firmware error I am speechless that this is still happening in 2019, back in 2007-2012 you had to edit /etc/modprobe.d/ for mostly laptops
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11:37<sqrt{not}>n00buser: This may be a BIOS problem. what model laptop is this, and what version of BIOS does it have ?
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11:37<vijay>hi
11:37<n00buser>sqrt{not}, it's hp envy 17 updated to latest bios
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11:39<n00buser>piper, so do i have to create modprobe.conf in that folder and add this line?
11:39<piper>if you google that videocard for debian 9 + 10 you will see a lot of problems
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11:39<n00buser>the only thing that failed so far is sddm
11:39<piper>n00buser: that was a long time ago, i am googling that now
11:40<piper>first search 2012 https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/where-do-i-put-this-line-4175432959/
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11:41<n00buser>the only conf i have there is mdadm.conf
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11:42<n00buser>i just noticed that currently my card uses snd_hda_intel kernel module
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11:42<n00buser>is that ok for ati/amd cards?
11:42<piper>n00buser: yeah i wouldn't do, that is old stuff, but the problem is old, redhat 2015 has stuff that won't fix
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11:43<piper>all linux-firmware -free stuff installed ?
11:43<n00buser>how to check?
11:44<piper>something like apt policy firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
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11:51<n00buser>ok, i tried to install firmware-amd-graphics and it began to complain about missing vega20_smc.bin
11:51<n00buser>but it's available only in sid
11:51<n00buser> * "Vega 20" SMC firmware (amdgpu/vega20_smc.bin)
11:51<n00buser>https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-amd-graphics
11:51<n00buser>what to do?
11:52<n00buser>i mean it's not available in buster
11:52<piper>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-amd-graphics
11:52<n00buser>the package for buster is there, but it's missing vega 20 binaries
11:54<n00buser>should i grab a package from sid?
11:54<n00buser>or what?
11:54<towo`>Radeon HD 7850M/8850M does not need vega20 firmware
11:54<n00buser>what would you do?
11:54<piper>n00buser: i have to search stuff for that, i have to leave right now for my injections, i am sorry I wouldn't use sid if you are using stable
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11:55<towo`>that's not a vega card, it's GCN 1.0 aka old
11:55<piper>towo`: danke :)
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12:00<n00buser>to solve my problem i installed: firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree + firmware-amd-graphics from sid
12:01<n00buser>sddm works now! \o/
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12:01<rishad>hello
12:02<rishad>hello
12:02<rishad>??????????
12:02<n00buser>we don't reply to hello
12:03<rishad>then?
12:04<n00buser>ask your question
12:05<rishad>i am sheikh rishad
12:05<rishad>and you ?
12:06<rishad>????
12:07<towo`>rishad, that is a support channel, not a social one
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12:11<rishad>sir how to lern hacking
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12:14<rishad>???????
12:17<noorul[m]>rishad this is chat room.
12:17<noorul[m]>Find article about hacking. Like Kali OS
12:17<rishad>jihugtyu
12:17<rishad>jhjughfc
12:18<noorul[m]>rishad , for your info, this is Debian OS support channel.
12:18<rishad>noorul sir pls give me facebook id
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12:20<rishad>?????????????????????????????????
12:21<rishad>??????????????????????????
12:21<noorul[m]>rishad sorry man. U r at wrong place
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12:22<rishad>sir way are you from
12:22<rishad>?????
12:23<rishad>?????????????????????????????
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12:25<rishad>???????????
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12:25<bremner>rishad: stop.
12:26<rishad>but way
12:26<grove>!ops rishad is annoying
12:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: grove complains about a problem (see above)
12:26<rishad>who are hacker
12:27<sqrt{not}>no hacking in bangladesh. go away
12:27<rishad>/////
12:28<rishad>////
12:28<rishad>klljkugesdfghjkl;p[]]khjgfdfghjklkjbhgvcfhjkl
12:28<rishad>fcgvhjkmjhgfdsdfghj
12:28<rishad>fdrfghjukmnbvcfdxsertyuijk
12:28<rishad>fdgtyhujkmnbvcdxsertyujk
12:28<rishad>dedrfthyjuikm
12:28<rishad>bay
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13:30<Guest9245>Who is also in session?
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13:30<Guest9245>_kab
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13:31<dboles>!ask
13:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:34<Guest9245>I have a problem in unanbling packages when installing new apps in parrots os, can you help me that?
13:34<sqrt{not}>!parrot
13:34<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:36<Guest9245>Can you tell me how powerful this os that I'm using now?
13:36<dboles>-3
13:36<Guest9245>??!
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13:37<dboles>parrot os is offtopic in a pure debian support channel, and "powerful" is meaningless without context
13:38<Guest9245>Well tell me, am I talking to people or bot?
13:39<dboles>dpkg is a bot, which people are using to try to explain why your messages are off-topic
13:39<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, dboles
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13:41<Guest9245>I see 600 chater in my list
13:42<dboles>this is a support channel, not a chatroom. the point is that you ask a question that is about debian (not random things based on it), and if anyone else using the room can help, they'll try. it's not a place where you just pick the 1st person you see and ask them about irrelevant derivatives of debian
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13:45<Guest9245>How can scan the ports of my os, in order to check its security
13:45<sandbox>Hello there i have a problem when trying to run appimages and a app called notable
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13:46<stw>Guest9245: lsof -i TCP
13:46<sandbox>https://paste.debian.net/1094827/
13:47<stw>Guest9245: or UDP, whatever you're looking for
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13:49<Guest9245>if (lsof -i TCP) is code, know that didn't work
13:49<Guest9245>it didn't work.
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13:50<dboles>!doesn't work
13:50<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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13:52<stw>Guest9245: lsof lists open files and provides a few details. If you run it under `sudo`, you'll see all open TCP or UDP (depending on what your looking for) ports, the process that's using them, and the user that's running the process. Check the man page or do some online searching for more details
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14:01<dboles>!next
14:01<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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14:16<tgunr>I am encountering stuttering on my Plex server and can’t figure out why, CPU is just loafing along, oodles of RAM available, network performance showing 950 Mbps. Could use some pointers in best way to see where these stalls occur and why. I presume I can use something like perf?
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14:18<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: Describe your hardware.
14:18<jhutchins_wk>(That sounds vaguely obscene...)
14:18<sarnold>perf top .. maybe. that'll show what's sucking CPU time, but if your problem isn't sucked cpu time, it might not be all that helpful
14:18<tgunr>ASRock X299M, Core i9-9900X, 64GB RAM
14:19<tgunr>Should be more than enough horsepower
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14:19<rant>tgunr: how are you monitoring cpu? the app in question may not be showing io wait states
14:19<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: Yeah, sounds like it.
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14:19<tgunr>That was my question as I suspected I/O
14:19<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: Could it be a $25 switch?
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14:20<rant>tgunr: afaik plex is a media streaming thing, so i/o on disk or network could be the issue
14:20<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: iostat
14:20<tgunr>Don;t think so, using Cisco GB switch
14:20<tgunr>I'm new to the linux side, so let me go look at iostat
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14:22<sney>yeah that is more than enough hardware for plex. I'm using a mini celeron pc with a couple of external drives in a zfs mirror for that and it works quite nicely even with big high bitrate videos
14:23<sney>since plex is 3rd party software, #debian doesn't support it directly, but I happen to know that it keeps pretty verbose logs under server settings->troubleshooting so there may be some useful info there
14:23<tgunr>the media is on a ZFS Mirror
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14:24<tgunr>cc, i'll go looking there
14:24<tgunr>I'm seeing %iowait about 8-10
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14:27<sney>that's fairly high I think. is that while playing a video?
14:27<sarnold>zpool iostat -v may help you spot if a drive is unhappy
14:27<sney>also this yes^
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14:33<sney>fwiw, this is what my plex server reports in iostat while a video is streaming http://paste.debian.net/1094832/
14:33<tgunr>yes
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14:38<tgunr>http://pve.polymicro.net/share/pb-LV9625OMsQ/
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14:39<tgunr>root fs is on sdi, media is one sda sdb
14:40<sney>the nvmes are what, zfs cache?
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14:48<tgunr>no, nvme0 is windows, nvme1 is mac
14:48<tgunr>er, reverse that
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14:51<tgunr>wow, this perf command is going to take some grokking
14:52<sarnold>what are you trying?
14:52<sney>oh, proxmox. I knew pve sounded familiar. it looks like you have a few vms here fighting for resources, though that's just a guess with partial information. I would recommend going to a proxmox support channel or manual etc about setting up caps
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14:56<RattusRattus>hi guys any salsa admin in here? if not can somone point me at a salsa mailing list / support page?
14:57<tgunr>no, it used to proxmox, just same name, running buster
14:58<bremner>RattusRattus: #alioth
14:58<bremner>(is the channel for salsa support. also, hi!)
14:58<tgunr>interesting, I switched to the news channel and no stutters! Wouldn’t that indicate transcoding or something?
15:00<sney>are you running plex right on the hypervisor or in a container?
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15:01<sney>transcoding is unusual these days, most h.264 etc stuff will just stream directly
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15:14<tgunr>right now, on the host
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15:19<piper>transcoding is not unusual, especially in mythtv, kodi, as it is used for commercial skips and other things in the background what video card should be the question, sounds like a weak intel
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15:30<jhutchins_wk>!salsa
15:30<dpkg>salsa.debian.org is the git repository system for Debian's teams. It was migrated from Alioth. See https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa
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15:48<blackstuff>hi team
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19:27<chuck>Hey folks. I don't suppose there are some pros around who'd be down to explain the correct installation & configuration for Conky or TorBrowser are there?
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19:30<annadane>conky should just be apt install conky... i don't believe tor browser is in debian but you can get it from their website
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19:34<annadane>oh, i see tor is available, actually. it's in backports: https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/torbrowser-launcher
19:35<chuck>Ok. So backports. that's a thing I've been seeing. So I get adding repositories and updating, but backports is a new thing to me.
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19:36<annadane>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
19:36<annadane>because tor is in contrib, you'll also need to add contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:36<annadane>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib
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19:47<chuck>Well! That's TorBrowser installed! Thanks. that's the first... semi-complex thing I've actually accomplished. Thank you. I'll work another day to figure out configuration scripts for conky, but this was a great start. thanks again
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19:52<EmleyMoor>I used to be able to read lots of temperatures in xsensors before I upgraded to buster - now there's virtually nothing there. What do I need to do to get it back?
19:53<sarnold>how's the output of sensors look?
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19:59<EmleyMoor>sarnold, not much there either
20:05<sarnold>EmleyMoor: you could try sensors-detect to see if that loads the right kernel modules to get some temps out of your system
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20:08<EmleyMoor>Not sure it's made a lot of difference
20:08<sarnold>sensors output looks about the same? :(
20:09<EmleyMoor>Yes
20:10<EmleyMoor>k10temp temp1 might just be the figure I need, though
20:11<EmleyMoor>This machine seems to be holding up OK now anyway... not even hitting the kind of temperatures I used to see
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20:13<EmleyMoor>Nothing has gone wrong yet despite high load - I'm running full backups (they were delayed by a week due to the fault that killed this machine)
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20:16<EmleyMoor>(about a 9 day outage due to the length of time it took to source a part)
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20:18<EmleyMoor>Er, 14 days!
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20:27<EmleyMoor>Just spotted a bug in my full backup process
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20:32<EmleyMoor>Ah, not a bug... some kind of side-effect of the problems
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20:35<EmleyMoor>Running at 109-111% loading, k10temp temp1 only 58.4°C
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20:39<EmleyMoor>3 of my 6 machines are currently backing up, 2 are completed and 1 is not yet in active service
20:40*EmleyMoor thinks it will be OK to leave it to get on
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21:01<ferrot>HI?
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21:03<annadane>!next
21:03<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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21:30<tkuser>hi, i have two questions.
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21:32<tkuser>1 is about parrot os. my network connections icon on the buttom right dissapeared when e booted into the system
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21:32<tkuser>do you know how to reset it back its defaults
21:34<annadane>!parrot
21:34<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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21:36<tkuser>Alright, thank you.
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21:51<laptop>hello quick question will microsoft edge stream faster than debian chromium? I am curious thanks I having a lot of lag with video streaming on my browser.
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21:51<annadane>it depends what/how you're streaming...
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21:52<annadane>and how much memory you have etc
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22:12<laptop>I finally did a lot of searching and realize my computer is just too slow to do video streaming
22:13<laptop>amd dual core 1.7 with nvidia 128 gb card and 2 gb memory, it is struggles for what my i3 first gen does so easily. I am totally selling that old laptop
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