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01:21<twb>OK, "mmdebstrap" works when I run it by hand; when I run it as part of a build script, I get:
01:21<twb>"I: Reading sources.list from standard input..."
01:21<twb>...whyyyyyyyy?
01:22<twb>Apparently it just does that EVERY TIME stdin isn't a terminal?
01:23<twb>Yep, this is a bug
01:24<jm_>yes abreu[m]if (! -t STDIN) { abreu[m] info "Reading sources.list from standard input...";
01:24<jm_>that abr string is a tab :)
01:26<twb>jm_: there's a separate test for ARGV earlier, which is ignored later
01:27<jm_>twb: indeed
01:27<twb>It also breaks if you simply close stdin --- mmdebstrap <&-
01:27<twb>Because then when it opens some other file, it gets fd 0 assigned, and THEN something else reads from "stdin"
01:28<twb>But it's very common for applications to break if you close stdio instead of redirecting to /dev/null, which is why /dev/null needs to be present even in the smallest containers :-////
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01:51<twb>OK, that's super weird. When I compare debootstrap and mmdebstrap dpkg.status results, debconf and libpcre3 change from Priority: required to Priority: important
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01:51<twb>How is that possible? The versions didn't change.
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02:15<EmleyMoor>Well, this machine is still up - although now 25% slower by design than it was, it's happily running t demand-based speed, whereas for a long time before it needed throttling back based on temperature
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02:41<EmleyMoor>Just had my display white out, though. Any non-aggressive way to fix?
02:41<twb>did it all fade gradually to white?
02:41<twb>that indicates serious problems in the GPU
02:42<EmleyMoor>(uncertain NVidia XFX, nouveau driver)
02:42<twb>On a Debian system, can I use a traditional $TZ variable in /etc/timezone?
02:42<EmleyMoor>No, it went suddenly white
02:43<twb>EmleyMoor: I have not seen that behaviour. Bounce the link between the monitor and GPU
02:43<twb>TZ=stdoffset[dst[offset][,start[/time],end[/time]]
02:44<twb>So Australia/Melbourne would be something like TZ=10AEST11,??,??
02:44<EmleyMoor>twb, how do I need to?
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02:45<twb>EmleyMoor: unplug the HDMI cable
02:46<EmleyMoor>Not HDMI. DVI-D. Same?
02:46<twb>EmleyMoor: yes
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02:46<twb>and turn the monitor off and back on again
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02:51<jm_>twb: apparently, that file is used in a few scripts as TZ=`cat /etc/timezone` and man tzset does mention TZ can be in that format
02:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the machine suspended... did the monitor bounce anyway and it's back, but the suspend was not desired
02:53<twb>jm_: good-o. I'm testing minimal mmdebstraps and I noticed tzdata wasn't installed, and rather than install it, I'm just cheating
02:54<twb>jm_: FYI, I was just talking to #musl about it, and you can get a reasonable "guess" by doing strings /usr/share/zoneinfo/Foo/Baz | tail -n 1
02:55<EmleyMoor>Odd it ran all night without trouble
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02:55<twb>jm_: I'm not sure what happens with /etc/localtime, but I guess I'll find ut
02:55<jm_>twb: localtime is a symlink to one of those files, isn't it?
02:55<twb>EmleyMoor: that's probably because systemd thinks you're a laptop
02:55<twb>ln -nsf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne /etc/localtime; >/etc/timezone echo Australia/Melbourne
02:56<twb>jm_: ^ that's what I have, when tzdata
02:56<jm_>twb: yeah
02:56<EmleyMoor>twb: How would it and how can I make it think otherwise?
02:56<twb>EmleyMoor: LidAction=ignore or something
02:57<twb>EmleyMoor: it's in systemd-logind I think
02:57<EmleyMoor>Where would a LidAction have come from?
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02:59<EmleyMoor>There are a number of LidSwitch rerlated options in /etc/systemd/logind.conf - do I just uncomment the "suspend" ones and make them "ignore"?
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03:03<EmleyMoor>I can only think powering the monitor off was read as "closing the lid"
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03:04<twb>EmleyMoor: you'll have to experiment - I don't have the answers
03:04<EmleyMoor>Oh well, done now and there will be a reboot soon anyway
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03:33<EmleyMoor>Reached my Windows VM on the backup - so not that much further to go
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03:35<twb>Whoops
03:36<twb>I added some packages to mmdebstrap --include
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03:36<twb>But of course I later "apt-mark markauto .", so they get removed again
03:38<twb>jm_: re localtime, Aug 08 17:36:59 not-omega systemd-nspawn[545]: [FAILED] Failed unmounting /etc/localtime.
03:38<twb>jm_: apparently systemd-containers by default overwrites that with the host's, presumably it assumes tzdata is always installed
03:39<jm_>twb: it appears it has an option to handle use case without tzdata, --timezone=
03:39<twb>righto
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04:24<n00buser>i can't change settings under /sys/class even using root account. should i change permissions?
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04:27<n00buser>i just tried and it still says device or resource busy
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04:28<n00buser>how to deal with this?
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04:31<jm_>maybe someone can help if you provide details about exact file etc.
04:31<n00buser>it's /sys/class/sound/HWC0D0/reconfig
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04:35<jm_>have you checked what the kernel says?
04:36<n00buser>codec is being used, can't reconfigure
04:36<jm_>there you go
04:37<n00buser>lol
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04:44<RattusRattus>bremner: hi - I'll head yo #alioth
04:44<RattusRattus>sorry for long dely in reply - I got sidetracked shortly after entering the chanel
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07:07<nh>Hi! I created liveusb of 10th kde version with dd and when i trying to load the live mode loads the password screen
07:07<nh>*login screen
07:08<nh>and i dont know password
07:10<blast007>try user 'user' and password 'live'
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09:34<Doctor_Pi>After many years of trial and error I was finally able to boot Debian on my 64bit iMac with 32bit EFI
09:34<Doctor_Pi>Now I need to run boot repair
09:37<earend1>lol
09:39<earend1>just installed buster yesterday. totally devastated after the inspection of the fitrst tripple journalctrl + recursive tapping in darkness
09:40<earend1>i think its beein ruined after the first boot already. i may try again just with no parameters at all. like a noob in poker.
09:40<earend1>or drunk.
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09:42<earend1>the forum entries claiming its all fine don't work without additional caresses by somebody stroking your hair .. like an overfriendly guest
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09:42<earend1>but im a noob
09:43<RattusRattus>earend1?? care to expand on your install issue?
09:43<earend1>i need some epertise here. are you a nerd? are you a cute chick living next door maybe? damn come over and help me installing linux. i have cookies~
09:44<RattusRattus>so what are you trying to do?
09:44<earend1>id be glad too. thanks for the offer all ahead. if youre around later maybe
09:44<earend1>cool down for the first.
09:45<earend1>investigate later.
09:45<RattusRattus>hehe - yep.
09:46<earend1>i think my bios is somehow crapped. and i dont understand that pci - efi - bios - modeset - dma play yet really
09:46<earend1>or its all good.
09:46<earend1>we'll se.
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09:48<RattusRattus>ok so I take from that yoiu are running an amd64 based PC (64-bit intel or AMD processor). I also take it that it is new enough to have (U)EFI and not BIOS.
09:49<RattusRattus>are you trying to do a clean install (i..e blow away the contents of your harddisk / SSD?
09:49<RattusRattus>or are you trying somthing else?
09:50<earend1>right.. it may be some shadowed stuff on my harddrived that somehow injeects itself into the early boot process acting wildly as root.. thats also how it looks life.
09:50<earend1>so i didnt try that.
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09:51<RattusRattus>no stop. just answer my question first please :-)
09:52<earend1>i didnt do that yet. how about firmware in some bios roms? is efi using such things?
09:53<earend1>or is it always on removable media + hdd?
09:54<earend1>its embarassing .. but that efi shit is way over my head. i did halfways understand oldschool bios. with nice irq .. dma .. i/o addr .. + drivers on floppy .. or jumpers. halleluja
09:55<earend1>todays you got pcmcia acpi ahci smp mco and what god knows what ..and where and what to
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09:56<earend1>seems to me theres a lot of action when having ahci drivers loaded.. so you coud be right. pls explain how clean such a system has to be. how to format a drive properly and if i need an excorcist or sth
09:57<earend1>or wait for later. i may share some contextal data. thx for help
09:57<earend1>in advance and unconditionally.
09:59<RattusRattus>earend1: am I correct in saying that you don't care for any data that is currently on that machine. if so then the debian installer can just format the hard disk. if you are running the debian installer from a USB memory stick then nothing on the harddisk should effect your installation attempt
10:00<earend1>can not use a vm? chroot? or sth?
10:00<earend1>bring on the klunker
10:00<earend1>v
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10:01<earend1>yes. ok. i got that with trying to install it pure with some baldrian intos.
10:02<RattusRattus>pure with some baldrian intos.
10:02<RattusRattus>???
10:02<earend1>on a clean drive.
10:02<RattusRattus>well yes that should just work (but then VM installs work for me as well)
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10:03<earend1>erm. ok. ull explain later the cool tricks.
10:03<earend1>o/
10:05<RattusRattus>what VM/hypervisor are you using?
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10:08<ConnectingMedia>Can I install openssh-server without it generating keys during the install?
10:09<ConnectingMedia>And also have it check for the keys and generate new ones if they are missing?
10:09<ConnectingMedia>The first part is not so important
10:09<ConnectingMedia>But the second one is
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10:09<Doctor_Pi>Actually I've been able to boot Matt Gadient's images.
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10:10<Doctor_Pi>I'm having trouble setting up the network on Buster on my iMac.
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10:13<Doctor_Pi>I've connected the imac to my Laptop because I want to share the laptop's internet connection.
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10:14<Neolex>Hi
10:14<Neolex>I have an issue on my debian 9 with nvidia-drivers
10:14<Neolex>I have a black screen when nvidia-drivers are installed
10:14<Neolex>someone could help me please ?
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10:14<Doctor_Pi>I've put a network file in /etc/systemd/network matching my interface.
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10:15<Doctor_Pi>I've configured the ethernet interface on the laptop as shared.
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10:17<tarzeau>Neolex: dkms status says what?
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10:18<Neolex>tarzeau, should I reinstall nvidia-drivers before giving you the output ?
10:18<Doctor_Pi>but the iMac hasn't configured itself with a ip address
10:18<tarzeau>no, just give the output first
10:18<Neolex>https://pastebin.com/jQtykNWb
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10:20<Neolex>tarzeau, https://pastebin.com/jQtykNWb
10:20<tarzeau>Neolex: no nvidia driver, black screen. yeah install one
10:21<Neolex>i install and recopy you the output ?
10:21<tarzeau>sure
10:21<Neolex>ok
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10:22<Neolex>ok ill be right back
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10:26<Neolex>tarzeau: https://pastebin.com/fuZasBLN
10:27<tarzeau>Neolex: looks much better. works now?
10:27<tarzeau>Neolex: if not, lspci |grep VGA says what?
10:27<Neolex>No it worked when i desinstall it
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10:29<Neolex> tarzeau 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5917 (rev 07)
10:30<Neolex>lscpi with grep nvidia gives me : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5917 (rev 07)
10:30<Neolex>oups
10:31<Neolex>01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1d12 (rev ff)
10:31<towo`>crap optimus
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10:32<tarzeau>Neolex: update-pciids; then lspci |grep NVIDIA again?
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10:32<tarzeau>or update-pciids is already gone?
10:32<towo`>it will stay optimus
10:33<towo`>and so installing the nvidia driver ==> black screen == normal
10:33<Neolex>https://pastebin.com/sfUgiE4Z tarzeau
10:33<tarzeau>aha, i'm not familiar with the id numbers, just the names
10:33<tarzeau>so he'll need nouveau driver?
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10:34<Neolex>I m really bad in hardware i used nvidia detect
10:35<Neolex>it work without driver but i need to use hashcat with gpu
10:39<towo`>tarzeau, in 1st place, he need the intel driver
10:39<towo`>since in optimus only the iGPU is wired to any output
10:40<tarzeau>aha, i'm out, i have no clue
10:40<tarzeau>i only use real nvidia hardware like 1080 or 2080
10:40<towo`>and 2nd, Neolex should read the debian wiki about hybrif graphics
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10:47<towo`>*hybrid
10:50<Doctor_Pi>firmware directory no longer contains the b43-installer?
10:51<Doctor_Pi>nevermind
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11:01<Doctor_Pi>I'm not sure what I've done wrong. I installed buster to a usb key on my laptop.
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11:01<Doctor_Pi>I plugged the USB key into my iMac and was able get it to boot using the grub command line.
11:02<Doctor_Pi>But now I can't configure the network
11:02<Doctor_Pi>Any commands I issue appear to fail silently.
11:03<Doctor_Pi>I used the standard amd64 image, btw.
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11:09<n00buser>can someone tell why brightness control on a laptop doesn't work: https://pastebin.com/yQUqKjq0
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11:09<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, mine works.
11:10<n00buser>Doctor_Pi, i'm happy for you
11:11<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, I've set mine in the efi screen to use fn + the function key.
11:11<Doctor_Pi>what does one call the bios screen today?
11:13<n00buser>unfortunately i have insyde bios
11:13<n00buser>can't do much there
11:14<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, Does your laptop have a fn key?
11:15<n00buser>yes, but other keys work
11:15<n00buser>i understand what you mean, but it's not related to fn key
11:16<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, your laptop doesn't use a function key to control the brightness?
11:16<n00buser>it does
11:16<n00buser>but the problem is that when i set brightness kde shows correct value in gui, but screen brightness doesn't change
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11:17<n00buser>i can set the value in /sys/*/brightness and kde will read it correctly, but it has no effect on brightness
11:18<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, what model is your laptop?
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11:19<n00buser>HP ENVY 17 with this card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [ATI/AMD] Heathrow PRO [Radeon HD 7850M/8850M] [1002:6827]
11:20<n00buser>Doctor_Pi, ^
11:20<EmleyMoor>I have a mixed mode CD of an unusual type... there are 11 audio tracks, but data (not audio) hidden in the track 1 pregap. How can I turn that into somu kind of readable filesystem using Debian?
11:21<n00buser>EmleyMoor, dump to bin/cue?
11:22<EmleyMoor>n00buser: How and then what?
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11:23<n00buser>EmleyMoor, install this: https://packages.debian.org/buster/cdrdao
11:24<EmleyMoor>Already have it
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11:24<n00buser>EmleyMoor, cdrdao read-cd --read-raw --read-subchan rw_raw --datafile myimage.bin --device /dev/sr0 --driver generic-mmc-raw myimage.toc
11:25<n00buser>and convert toc to cue
11:25<Neolex>hey ! I installed the drivers correctly glxgears is mush faster when i use optirun glxgears
11:25<Neolex>but I still got clGetDeviceIDs(): CL_DEVICE_NOT_FOUND when I run hashcat
11:27<n00buser>Neolex, maybe ask in Hashcat channel?
11:27<Neolex>do you think install nvidia-opencl-icd will break my config ?
11:27<EmleyMoor>Well, it's reading the full 36:42 of track 1, so that's a good sign
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11:28<EmleyMoor>Er, 37:02
11:28<n00buser>cool
11:30<n00buser>Doctor_Pi, any clues?
11:32<EmleyMoor>cueconvert can't parse the toc
11:32<n00buser>EmleyMoor, toc2cue
11:32<EmleyMoor>Done
11:33<n00buser>cool
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11:40<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, I'm sorry I don't think I can help.
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11:40<n00buser>thx anyway
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11:55<Doctor_Pi>grub-update is not in Debian?
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11:56<Heiki>Doctor_Pi: but update-grub is
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12:20<Doctor_Pi>I need a proper video driver for my late 2006 iMac. It's freezing at the fb: switching to radeondrmfb from EFI VGA line.
12:20<Doctor_Pi>I've already installed firmware-amd-graphics.
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12:21<Doctor_Pi>I used nomodeset to boot the iMac.
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12:22<tharaka>hi all
12:23<tharaka>this is the first time i'm using debian
12:24<towo`>Doctor_Pi, and with nomodeset you deactivate the propper video driver
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12:26<Doctor_Pi>towo`, yes I know. If I don't have nomodeset the screen freezes at that line.
12:27<Doctor_Pi>My video card is a mobility Radeon X1600
12:28<towo`>aka ancient
12:30<sqrt{not}>Doctor_Pi: did you already investigate this:
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12:30<sqrt{not}>!kms
12:30<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
12:31<goonieb>hello, is this for buster already or still do I need to use debian-next?
12:31<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, I haven't know. Let me check.
12:31<goonieb>I hav an issue with one of my servers, br0 not starting
12:31<sqrt{not}>goonieb: this is the right place for buster
12:32<goonieb>by itself
12:32<goonieb>sqrt{not}: great, thanks
12:33<goonieb>so this bridge is declared as auto in /etc/network/interfaces
12:33<towo`>Doctor_Pi, btw: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=fb%3A+switching+to+radeondrmfb+from+EFI+VGA+freeze
12:33<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, so boot with nomodeset and start X with the appropriate driver?
12:33<goonieb>yet it won't start alone
12:33<towo`>Doctor_Pi, with nomodeset you only can use vesa
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12:34<Doctor_Pi>towo`, there is a radeonhd driver for xorg
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12:36<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, If I disable kms and use the radeonhd driver for X that should work
12:38<jhutchins_wk>towo`: That depends on the hardware, not all use KMS.
12:39<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, you meant that to directed to me.
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12:41<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, sqrt{not}'s link says xserver-xorg-video-radeonHD is incompatible with kms.
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12:42<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, my modprobe.d directory doesn't have a radeon.conf file.
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12:44<jhutchins_wk>Doctor_Pi: No, I meant it for towo` - but be advised that chipsets that don't use KMS can drive higher resolutions than vesa.
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12:47<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, how do I put nomodeset in my /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.conf file?
12:48<jhutchins_wk>Doctor_Pi: See message from dpkg @ :30 above.
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12:49<Doctor_Pi>just insert nomodeset in radeon-kms.conf?
12:50<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, luckily my laptop has a radeon-kms.conf.
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12:59<sqrt{not}>I think the idea is to do an early modeset to the right xserver-xorg-video-radeon (?) kernel module, instead of nomodeset
12:59<sqrt{not}>I'm not sure if you need to do an extra step to get it into the grub startup....
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13:01<jhutchins_wk>I did not realize that you could mount a sub-directory of an NFS share as opposed to only mounting the root of the share, but this appears possible.
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13:05<sqrt{not}>towo` is right though, that is an ancient radeon card
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13:05<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, I don't think there is a compatible kernel module for this card.
13:06<n00buser>this is my case: https://askubuntu.com/questions/761450/i-cant-lower-the-backlight-brightness
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13:07<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, and from the link you sent the compatible radeonHD X video driver is incompatible with kms.
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13:09<sqrt{not}>Doctor_Pi: yeah, it's pretty confusing even with the modern hardware, and very sketchy for old, old stuff.
13:09<demgray>hi guys am new
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13:10<yundd>you ren ma
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13:10<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, This iMac was a bugger to install Linux on.
13:10<yundd>guls
13:10<yundd>ls
13:11<yundd>you
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13:12<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, the standard images don't work. I've yet to try the multi-arch netinst.
13:15<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, but after much effort. I get a grub screen and I'm able to boot buster in EFI mode.
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13:23<sqrt{not}>Doctor_Pi: the xserver-xorg-video-radeon drive claims to support Radeon X1600/X1650/X1700.. See https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/xserver-xorg-video-radeon/radeon.4.en.html
13:25<sqrt{not}>Maybe you need to push the right firmware into the card too ?? don't know...
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13:31<Doctor_Pi>sqrt{not}, yes that driver I think needs kms enabled and kms freezes my screen.
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14:05<Eryn_1983_FL>hey guys having an issue where i need to increase this for lxc guest vm.max_map_count=362144
14:05<Eryn_1983_FL>it didnt seem to take it in sysctl config even after reboot, trying one more time..
14:05<dboles>what issue?
14:05<dboles>oops
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14:08<Eryn_1983_FL>[1] bootstrap checks failed
14:08<Eryn_1983_FL>[1]: max virtual memory areas vm.max_map_count [65530] is too low, increase to at least [262144]
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14:08<Eryn_1983_FL>im trying to start up elasticsearch..
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14:11<Eryn_1983_FL>got it..
14:11<Eryn_1983_FL>i needed to update the host system woot
14:12<Eryn_1983_FL>fixed woot
14:13<petn-randall>Eryn_1983_FL: Glad we could help :)
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14:24<Eryn_1983_FL>thanks
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14:42<Doctor_Pi>How do i start x with a specific video driver?
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14:45<annadane>can't even tell the spammer to try debian...
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14:47<sarnold>but I can suggest he try a different irc network :)
14:50<Doctor_Pi>I'm running a late 2006 iMac with a Radeon X1600. Enabling the kms causes the screen to freeze when buster boots.
14:51<Doctor_Pi>I know there is a way to boot X because I was running a live image.
14:53<n00buser>is there a difference between setting brightness using xrandr vs echo 10 > /sys/*/brightness
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15:06<ais-admin>Doctor_Pi, normally X will make the decisions for you as to what driver is required. To override what X wants to do you need to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Study the X documentation for xorg.conf on their website. its not simple or easy to create and tweak an xorg.conf file.
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15:08<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, how do I find out what X thinks the card is?
15:10<ais-admin>Boot into recovery mode and select Root Shell. Then run:
15:10<ais-admin>
15:10<ais-admin>X -configure
15:10<ais-admin> - this will create an xorg.conf file for you (in /root) and it will show what X thinks about your system and what drivers it thinks it should load.
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15:12<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, I've had to disable kernel mode setting to allow buster to boot on this iMac.
15:12<ais-admin>or you can boot the livecd and open a root shell and run X :1 -configure Same result
15:14<ais-admin>Sorry thats the extent of my X config knowledge and I have less than zero iMac knowledge. Perhaps someone else here can assist.
15:14<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, do I have to boot recovery mode to run the X -configure?
15:16<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, what driver do the livecds run? I was able get a X desktop from the live cd in this iMac.
15:16<ais-admin>can you boot now?
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15:16<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, yes I have root prompt.
15:16<ais-admin>ok try X -configure from there - should work
15:17<ais-admin>also you can boot the livecd and use this:
15:17<ais-admin>modinfo -F filename `lshw -c video | awk '/configuration: driver/{print $2}' | cut -d= -f2`
15:18<ais-admin>this will show the name of the driver in use
15:18<ais-admin>or just lshw -c video
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15:19<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, AMDGPU(0): [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported.
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15:21<ais-admin>I've already overstepped by limited knowledge level. Someone else may have better insight.
15:22<ais-admin>sorry I couldnt be more help
15:22<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, that's ok.
15:23<ais-admin>you can still get the driver with the livecd and a command line though
15:24<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, yes I'll need to boot the livecd and see what driver it's using.
15:24<ais-admin>lots of command line ways to determine the loaded video driver
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15:25<ais-admin>google will give you dozens
15:26<ais-admin>lspci -v is probably the easiest
15:27<ais-admin>from a terminal with no scrollback use lspci -v | grep VGA
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15:29<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, actually that shows me the card itself.
15:29<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, not the video driver.
15:29<ais-admin>oh yeah - right - sec
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15:30<ttaat>hello, is there a way to double a display without having to set the same resolution?
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15:31<ais-admin>Doctor_Pi, this might show the driver: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
15:33<ais-admin>actually lspci -v does show the driver in use as well
15:33<Doctor_Pi>kernel module is radeon.
15:34<ais-admin>cool
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15:35<Doctor_Pi>ais-admin, which I can't use because my screen freezes when it tries to change the modeset.
15:36<ais-admin>sorry - I got nothin. No idea where to go from here. hang out for a while. Someone who knows will be along.
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15:39<Xinayder>so I just enabled a systemd timer unit and it gave me a "could not source /etc/conf.d/file" error and I have set the EnvironmentFile for the unit to "/etc/conf.d/file". what's up? any way I can get a detailed output to why it couldn't access the file?
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15:40<sarnold>try namei -l /etc/conf.d/file -- it may show the problem
15:40<Doctor_Pi>How do I tell the kernel to use the radeon video driver when it's booting?
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15:41<Doctor_Pi>I think the reason it freezes when it tries to modeset is its using the wrong driver.
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15:47<ttaat>i have this problem with X, previous question was related with this, i'm running a script that edits /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d but i don't have this file
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15:50<jhutchins_wk>ttaat: *conf.d is usually a directory with conf stubs in it.
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15:52<ttaat>i have a file named xorg.conf.new is this the same thing?
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15:59<Ritalinx>hi
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16:01<jhutchins_wk>ttaat: Probably not.
16:01<jhutchins_wk>ttaat: Most standard installations don't have any xorg conf files, they autoconfigure.
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16:05<ttaat>i'm trying to run these drivers for a tablet but they were build in arch, i guess this may be the problem
16:06<ttaat>different x configuration
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16:09<ais-admin> xorg.conf.new is the new config file generated by running X -configure. It has no effect on anything until it is moved to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:11<ttaat>maybe i've found a solution
16:11<ttaat>i'm following this guide https://github.com/linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom/wiki/Dual-and-Multi-Monitor-Set-Up
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16:13<jhutchins_wk>ttaat: Yeah, arch probably uses different options for it's kernel, and may have a different version of X.
16:14<jhutchins_wk>!wacom
16:14<dpkg>i guess wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html
16:15<ttaat>no
16:15<ttaat>i don't have wacom and not using their proprietary drivers
16:16<ttaat>i'm using digimend drivers for this tablet but i have an offset problem now i'm trying to limit screen area like in the link i posted
16:16<sqrt{not}>then why are you following a wacom guide at github ?
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16:18<Doctor_Pi>if I blacklist the radeon driver what does the kernel fall back on
16:18<ttaat>just the "Coordinate Transformation Matrix" part
16:19<Doctor_Pi>for some reason my livecd has stopped working.
16:20<Doctor_Pi>system hangs when I select the live menu option
16:20<jhutchins_wk>Doctor_Pi: The kernel should default to no driver, X will fall back to VESA 640x480
16:22<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, I may just have to pick a proper VESA mode.
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16:22<jhutchins_wk>Doctor_Pi: If you're actually on vesa you'll have limited options.
16:24<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, I have limited options at it is because I have to disable modesetting to even get a login prompt on this iMac.
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16:25<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins_wk, for some reason Matt Gadient's MATE live cd was giving me a desktop.
16:26<Doctor_Pi>jhutchins, now the livecd won't give me that.
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16:32<n00buser>how to install fglrx driver in buster?
16:32<n00buser>is it possible?
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16:35<rant>!fglrx
16:35<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead.
16:37<jhutchins_wk>n00buser: The correct answer to "how do I install <foo> in debian" is almost always "apt update && apt install <foo>".
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16:37<n00buser>jhutchins_wk, this tutorial is outdated and i'm afraid to break something
16:37<jhutchins_wk>n00buser: If you go beyond that, you're risking going out of the bounds of debian support, and that's not a good place to be if you don't know debian yet.
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16:38<n00buser>exactly. that why i'm asking
16:38<rant>the best way to go about hw support is to tell us specifically what the hw is first
16:38<rant>lspci -nn
16:39<n00buser>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [ATI/AMD] Heathrow PRO [Radeon HD 7850M/8850M] [1002:6827]
16:39<rant>,pciid 1002:6827
16:39<judd>[1002:6827] is 'Heathrow PRO [Radeon HD 7850M/8850M]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6827 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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16:40<n00buser>how to check what driver i'm using now?
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16:41<aloo_shu>lsmod in a terminal
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16:43<n00buser>looks like this:
16:43<n00buser>amdgpu 1626112 0
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16:43<n00buser>radeon 3414567 39
16:43<n00buser>so i'm using radeon?
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16:44<rant>it would appear so.. and afaik thats all there is anymore.. fglrx is dead, no longer supported
16:45<rant>afaik AMD has opened up their driver stack
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16:46<Doctor_Pi>ok so I think a usb key was confusing the system, so now I have the live MATE desktop running on the iMac.
16:48<n00buser>what is recommended amdgpu or radeon?
16:48<rant>n00buser: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
16:50<rant>n00buser: sudo dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999
16:50<Doctor_Pi>what is the debian pastebin site
16:50<rant>paste.debian.net
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16:52<n00buser>rant, termbin jvcq
16:54<Doctor_Pi>paste.debian.net/1095027
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16:54<Doctor_Pi>I've posted a snippet of lsmod .
16:55<Doctor_Pi>I need to enable modesetting on my installed version of buster.
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16:55<n00buser>rant, termbin 71n3
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16:58<Doctor_Pi>Sorry, snippet of lsmod listing on the livecd.
16:58<Doctor_Pi>the livecd doesn't appear to have modesetting disabled.
16:59<Doctor_Pi>what's it doing right that my installed version of buster isn't?
16:59<Doctor_Pi>I need to mention the livecd boots in bios.
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17:00<Doctor_Pi>bios mode.
17:00<jhutchins_wk>Doctor_Pi: You may find something in Xorg.0.log on one or the other. Very noisy log, but you should figure out what X is doing.
17:00<jhutchins_wk>The problem with troubleshooting X is that you have two layers: the kernel and kernel drivers and then Xorg and Xorg drivers.
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17:04<rant>n00buser: yeah those logs are practically useless, they're truncated.. but my guess is your display drivers are already working properly
17:05<n00buser>rant, yes and no
17:05<n00buser>i can't set brightness
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17:06<n00buser>i can't change brightness using echo 10 > /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/radeon_bl0/brightness, but xrandr works
17:06<n00buser>i have a feeling that xrandr changes gamma of the ouput but not the brightness itself
17:07<n00buser>btw kde correctly detects the change in /sys/*/brightness and reflects that in gui, but i don't see any chenges on the screen
17:08<n00buser>*changes
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17:08<n00buser>so i'm thinking to try with another driver
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17:10<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, the brightness of the laptop's screen might have nothing to do with the video card.
17:10<rant>more than likely has nothing to do with it
17:11<rant>thats an ACPI function of the bios/uefi
17:11<n00buser>ok
17:11<n00buser>but how to access/change it?
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17:12<rant>idk, thats usually dependant on the model of laptop, I have a thinkpad T440, its configured via the F5/F6 keys via a tpacpi (thinkpad acpi) driver
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17:12<aloo_shu>probably all graphics cards can still fallback to vesa - if brightness worked then, I'd be surprised, I could rather imagine that brigthness isn't correctly mapped in BIOS, and windows had a patch
17:13<n00buser>during boot kernel complaints about some uefi stuff
17:13<n00buser>how to check that?
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17:23<rant>n00buser: well technically it should be in journalctl but my recommendation is to reboot and immediately after boot redirect the output of dmesg to a log by doing something like sudo dmesg > dmesg.log our system used to do this pre-systemd but doesnt anymore
17:23<n00buser>is this normal: https://pastebin.com/xwtHZgLg
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17:24<rant>n00buser: also please use http://paste.debian.net in the future, pastebin.com is a nasty site, heavy js, popups, ads, etc
17:24<n00buser>ok
17:24<Doctor_Pi>paste.debian.net/1095032
17:25<rant>n00buser: you should not remove any of those driver packages.. but those additional packages are all metapackages
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17:25<n00buser>how to switch from radeon to amdgpu?
17:25<Doctor_Pi>n00buser, some kind of kernel parameter
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17:26<n00buser>ok found it
17:27<Doctor_Pi>I've posted my Xorg.0.log file.
17:27<Doctor_Pi>it appears it had to use an older method to set the mode.
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17:34<Doctor_Pi>I HATE myself.
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17:35<Doctor_Pi>When the iMac boots in BIOS mode it doesn't have switch from EFI VGA.
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18:34<Xinayder>what was the command to check file permissions? someone told me what it was, iirc it was a 4 letter command with a -l parameter
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18:36<annadane>ls -l
18:36<Xinayder>weird, I have a systemd unit file that can't read an environment file
18:37<Xinayder>"could not source /etc/conf.d/file"
18:38<Xinayder>the file is owned by root with 644 perms
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18:48<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to find a way to access the "data" part of a mixed mode CD where the data is in the track 1 pregap. The format is recognised by early editions of Windows 95 and contemporary Macs, apparently, but not by anything modern. Is there a way to access the data using Debian? I have copied it to .bin/.cue files, if that helps.
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19:07<sqrt{not}>Xinayder: show us more of the actual log where it complains about cannot source. Also show us output of `ls -al /etc/conf.d` Put those things in a pastebin at http://paste.debian.net
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19:11<Xinayder>sqrt{not}, here it is: https://paste.debian.net/1095045/
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19:20<sqrt{not}>Xinayder: maybe try: chmod go+x /etc/conf.d/papermc
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19:23<coruja>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Systemd/conf.d_files
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19:37<sarnold>coruja: nice find
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19:38<coruja>just searchengining ;)
19:38<maxrazer>Does anyone understand debian desktop well and can tell me why I'm getting a different behavior after installing XFCE? My dunst messaging works on i3 and my hexchat doesn't freeze, and I also notice that the Libre Office Writer has different looking buttons.
19:38<maxrazer>So, What in the world does XFCE install that makes dunst messages work and hexchat not freeze?
19:38<maxrazer>I install task-XFCE-desktop
19:38<coruja>and experience, if debian doesn't know, arch does, if arch doesn't, gentoo does for sure
19:39<sarnold>coruja: hah, good point there, arch wiki is good stuff
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19:40<sarnold>coruja: but still, credit to you, I never even thought that /etc/conf.d/ might be a prexisting something else; I assumed it was just local preference for Xinayder, a place to store environment variables
19:41<coruja>sarnold, never heard/read of this limitation before either
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19:41<coruja>maxrazer, no support without pasting error messages, run commands etc ;)
19:42<maxrazer>coruja, Oh, I did get a warning about libmessage something like that. I'm not getting any error message now though.
19:42<coruja>installing by task should work ootb and not make apps freeze, so we need morr details
19:42<coruja>more
19:43<maxrazer>When I run message test for dunst on terminal I get no errors or anything. I can tell you that.
19:43<Xinayder>sarnold, coruja it's just that I took some files off an arch package and tried to use them in debian
19:43<maxrazer>I could uninstall XFCE and run hexchat from terminal and tell you the warning again. I forget the library.
19:45<coruja>the arch guys handle things differently, concerning the distribution technically
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19:46<Xinayder>reading that page makes me wonder why the package maintainer chose /etc/conf.d as the location for a daemon config file
19:47<coruja>and btw, arch uses a more recent version of systemd, maybe another explanation
19:47<Xinayder>what is a location I can move this config file to so it's executed on startup? from what I understood I need these variables on startup so the script I'm using works correctly
19:49<sarnold>probably it'd be easier to just set the environment variables you need by hand
19:50<Xinayder>I have 2 different systemd units... maybe I could source the config file inside the script
19:51<Xinayder>oh okay the script already does that :P
19:52<Xinayder>so apparently it was a permission error and the "could not source file" was an error from the script itself. damn I feel dumb
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20:13<Fraggle>installed the nvidia binary blob manually, worked, but I wanted to retry nouveau
20:13<Fraggle>now it seams that nouveau is not loaded anymore at boot time
20:13<Fraggle>any ideas?
20:14<Fraggle>it is not blacklisted, i updated initramfs...
20:15<Fraggle>switching between nvidia/nouveau worked previously by installing/uninstalling the debian nvidia package
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20:20<Fraggle>only difference is that this time i used the official nvidia installer/uninstaller, which i regret now
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