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00:53<plouj>https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.package-authentication.html says "APT will check the signatures before any risky operation" what does that mean in terms of dependency resolution? If I'm installing pkg A that depends on B C and D, does it happen before B, C and D are downloaded?
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00:59<jm_>plouj: this shall explain it in more details https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
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02:40<kenzdozz>hi
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02:53*EmleyMoor still hopes to be able to solve the problem of accessing the data part of a multi-mode CD where the data is in the track 1 pregap, using Debian if at all possible... any ideas how it might be done? It's "Hidden Track", as per this page: http://www.icdia.co.uk/cdprosupport/recordng/cditmac/cdformat.htm
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02:55<EmleyMoor>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregap#Computer_data_in_pregap
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03:12<AnnaIngolstadt>Hello @all
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03:13<AnnaIngolstadt>I usse Debian Buster and try to install gnome. I already used tasksel to install it. Gdm3 shows up, but I cannot choose gnome, so it starts xfce. When I try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager gnome does not show, neither kde. Please help me
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03:23<jm_>AnnaIngolstadt: gnome is not a window manager, try x-session-manager (besides, with gdm gnome shoule be the default option)
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03:26<AnnaIngolstadt>jm_ : Thankyou! in x-session-manager it shows up
03:26<AnnaIngolstadt>jm_ : To try I need to logout from irc
03:27<AnnaIngolstadt>jm_ : see you
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03:41<ConnectingMedia>Can I start a login shell from a shell?
03:42<ConnectingMedia>I'd like to see the motd again (among other things)
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03:42<workstation>hi
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03:43<ais-admin>ConnectingMedia, you can load a subshell inside the shell you're in simply typing bash
03:45<ConnectingMedia>but that's not a login shell
03:45<ais-admin>not sure if thats what you're looking for though
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03:45<ConnectingMedia>It's not
03:45<ais-admin>su 'anotheruserhere' then?
03:46<ais-admin>not sure if su 'yourownusername' works like that. try it. see what happens
03:47<jm_>ConnectingMedia: login shell will not determine whether you see the MOTD or not (pam_motd does it), you can start login shell simply with bash -l
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03:47<jm_>su shall help, su -l foo
03:48<ConnectingMedia>I see.
03:48<ConnectingMedia>My apologies then
03:48<ConnectingMedia>Is there then a way to still start a new shell with the motd?
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03:49<jm_>ahh su won't work, its PAM config does not include it by default
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03:50<heini>you could also regenerate the motd output with `run-parts /etc/update-motd.d`
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03:55<grove>ConnectingMedia: You can make a subshell a login shell by starting it with the -l option
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03:55<grove>ConnectingMedia: But it might be wiser to look into how the motd is generated. Most is typically in /etc/motd
03:57<heini>don't forget the parts that are dynamically generated via /etc/update-motd.d, scripts in their are responsible for the uname call before the /etc/motd is displayed
03:57<grove>Reading his entire message I see that jm_ actually mentioned -l in his message
03:57<grove>heini: That why I said "most"
03:57<ConnectingMedia>Looking into it, it seems that it's essentially like `cat /etc/motd; run-parts /etc/update-motd.d`
03:58<ConnectingMedia>But yeah, my bad
03:58<ConnectingMedia>I honestly thought a login shell executed the motd
03:58<ConnectingMedia>*showed
03:59<ConnectingMedia>Then I'll have to rephrase, how can I start a shell so it shows me the motd (including the scripts in `/etc/update-motd.d`)
04:02<grove>Isn't it easier just to execute those scripts? (I don't know how to do what you ask, so I suggest another solution)
04:03<heini>grove: if he's running bash he could work with `shopt -q login_shell` and run `cat /etc/motd && run-parts /etc/update-motd.d` from .bashrc or something like that
04:07<jm_>pam_motd litreally reads /etc/motd and then files from /etc/motd.d
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04:14<ConnectingMedia>jm_, can I manually invoke that or have bash start it for me?
04:14<ConnectingMedia>*run
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04:32<jm_>ConnectingMedia: no, it's a PAM module, basically what people said above is your best option
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05:17<ConnectingMedia>Another question, which channel would be best for help with creating deb/dpkg packages?
05:18<nikos>ConnectingMedia: If they're intended for the official repos #debian-mentors
05:18<ConnectingMedia>They're not
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05:33<jm_>!package basics
05:33<dpkg>"Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics . To create your own Debian packages, ask me about <nmg>.
05:33<jm_>!best practices
05:33<dpkg>well, best practices is a collection of packaging recommendations. DD's follow best-practices when they make sense, and collaborate with other DD's to make new best-practices in instances when there is no accepted practice. Available in the Debian Developer's Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices
05:33<jm_>maybe that'll help
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05:43<ConnectingMedia>Thanks
05:43<ConnectingMedia>The best practices link is broken however jm_
05:44<ConnectingMedia>Any idea who we should tell?
05:46<jm_>fixed it
05:46<ConnectingMedia>!best practices
05:46<dpkg>best practices is, like, a collection of packaging recommendations. DD's follow best-practices when they make sense, and collaborate with other DD's to make new best-practices in instances when there is no accepted practice. Available in the Debian Developer's Reference at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch06.en.html
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06:07<EmleyMoor>I have a CD with a Hidden Track data file system, that I am trying to access in Debian (method also known as i-Track, ROM Ready or Audiovision™), but I have found no way to access the file system. I can make copies easily enough - already have bin/cue files made from the CD - but not actually get at the data. Any idea how I might do it?
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06:34<ConnectingMedia>Is there a decent way I can get the IP and gateway of an interface?
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06:35<ConnectingMedia>Or get the IP and Gateway of a OpenVPN connection
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06:39<GyrosGeier>an interface doesn't have a gateway
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06:40<GyrosGeier>most interface configuration protocols have a gateway field that is converted into a default route
06:40<ConnectingMedia>Ahh. Ok
06:41<ConnectingMedia>I see
06:41<ConnectingMedia>Though you should be able to associate a gateway to an interface, as it needs to be in the same network
06:41<GyrosGeier>so if you look at the default route, that has a gateway address, and the interface that this address is routed to is the one that this route came from, most likely
06:42<GyrosGeier>there is a separate route entry that makes the gateway reachable
06:42<ConnectingMedia>I have one question then, `ip route show` does list an iterface alongside the routes
06:43<ConnectingMedia>*interface
06:43<GyrosGeier>there are two kinds of routes: subnet routes that point to an interface and possibly use a lower-level protocol (such as ARP) on that interface, and gateway routes that point to another IP address that is recursively routed
06:43<ConnectingMedia>Alright
06:43<ConnectingMedia>In any case
06:43<GyrosGeier>the device on the default route is informational and needn't be there
06:43<ConnectingMedia>I know I do have an interface with an IP and a Gateway in the same network
06:44<GyrosGeier>that is a typical simple configuration
06:44<ConnectingMedia>How can I get both
06:44<GyrosGeier>there are others
06:44<ConnectingMedia>I'm aware that there are other setups
06:44<ConnectingMedia>But this is the setup I know I will always have
06:44<GyrosGeier>in the simple case, look at the default route
06:45<GyrosGeier>and at the route for the gateway listed in the default route, which should be a network route
06:45<ConnectingMedia>The IPs for both are set from OpenVPN, since they are a VPN tunnel
06:45<ConnectingMedia>It's not the default interface
06:45<ConnectingMedia>*route
06:46<GyrosGeier>if the default route doesn't point to openvpn, then its gateway setting was ignored during configuration
06:46<ConnectingMedia>No
06:46<GyrosGeier>it will have a peer address though
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06:46<ConnectingMedia>It's configured to not be the default gateway
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06:46<grove>Then you need to specify more clearly what route you want
06:46<ConnectingMedia>I don't want a route
06:47<ConnectingMedia>I want the gateway
06:47<GyrosGeier>if the interface has the p2p flag set, it has a peer address, and then you can use that as "gateway"
06:47<grove>A gateway is a property of the route
06:47<GyrosGeier>there is no guarantee that this will be a proper router, but it's likely
06:47<ConnectingMedia>I want to know which IP address the client has and which IP the VPN gateway has
06:47<GyrosGeier>ah
06:47<GyrosGeier>the outside of the tunnel?
06:47<ConnectingMedia>No
06:48<ConnectingMedia>The tunnel intern IP addresses
06:48<GyrosGeier>openvpn supports tun and tap devices
06:48<ConnectingMedia>I mean right now I can tell from looking at `ip a` and `ip r`
06:48<GyrosGeier>tun devices are p2p
06:48<ConnectingMedia>It's tun
06:48<GyrosGeier>these have a peer address
06:48<ConnectingMedia>I can determine them manually. But I need it for a script
06:49<GyrosGeier>if it is a script that should be run whenever the tunnel goes up, openvpn has a feature for that
06:49<ConnectingMedia>It's independent from that
06:49<GyrosGeier>it will pass in the tunnel parameters as environment variables to that script, so you can use them directly
06:50<grove>If you know the name of the interface (probably tunN, where N is a small non-negative integer), it's probably easiest to parse the output from `ip a s tunN`
06:50<GyrosGeier>finding them later on will be more involved
06:50<ConnectingMedia>That's my situation
06:50<GyrosGeier>then what grove said
06:51<ConnectingMedia>grove, that only shows the IP of the client and the netmask, not the gateway IP
06:51<grove>What you call "the gateway IP" is what is reported as "peer"
06:51<ConnectingMedia>Alright
06:52<grove>And GyrosGeier has explained why it's called "peer"
06:52<ConnectingMedia>But not how I can get it
06:54<grove>As I said, parse that output. How to do that depends on which language you prefer for that kind of task, and how you want it.
06:54<ConnectingMedia>`ip a s tun0` only contains my IP address
06:55<grove>I have an openvpn tunnel here, and `ip a s tun0` contains the line:
06:55<grove>inet 172.16.16.54 peer 172.16.16.53/32 brd 172.16.16.54 scope global tun0
06:55<ConnectingMedia>Mine is `inet 10.128.4.5/24 brd 10.128.4.255 scope global tun0`
06:56<ConnectingMedia>(I know right now that the gateway is `10.128.4.1`, but that doesn't help me because that might change and I need it from a script)
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06:57<grove>Maybe `sudo ip r g <broadcast address>` has the info you want?
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06:58<ConnectingMedia>Nope
06:58<ConnectingMedia>And I'm root btw
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06:58<ConnectingMedia>Anyways, thanks for your help but I need to leave now
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07:42<josch>When I go to https://tracker.debian.org/ with firefox I'm getting SSL_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERT_ALERT. This does not happen with chromium. I'm using latest firefox from unstable. What could be the problem?
07:44<jm_>compare where you receive traffic from in both cases, compare cert details
07:46<josch>firefox used to allow me to investigate the certificate but I don't see an option for that now
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07:48<josch>Oh drats... it must be a firefox config problem because it works just fine with a different profile...
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07:53<grove>josch: In firefox, you have to continue a bit of what sounds like the wrong path (I think it was adding an exception), then you get an option to inspect the presented certificate, but when it's a local config issue, you might just get more confused going that way
07:54<jm_>yeah I remember it has an option to inspect the expired cert somewhere
07:54<josch>grove: Yes, I remember when you could click something to add an exception to inspect the cert. But now it only gives me a link to support.mozilla.com and a "try again button".
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07:56<grove>A quick mental back-translation from the danish version (I don't have time to stop my firefox and start one that doesn't speak danish): Choose "Advanced", "Add exception...", "Show..."
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07:57<josch>Yes, that button is missing: https://mister-muffin.de/p/Kih4.png
07:57<grove>(Testing that was an unexpected use-case of having ssl-fejl.afol.dk configured - ssl-fejl is danish for ssl-error)
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08:42<pastic>Hello! I downloaded and verified liveCD-iso for Buster Cinnamon and Buster KDE. I flashed them to USB drives with dd. Problem: 90% of boot attempts end up with automatic user login but stays in tty. No DE loads. A few times Cinnamon has loaded. Previous versions of debian have worked perfectly. Is dd not appropriate for flashing?
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08:45<josch>pastic: dd is perfectly adequate to put the installation iso image onto a usb stick. If dd were the problem, then you probably would've had problems during installation.
08:46<josch>pastic: During installation apt checks hashes of the packages that it installes. So if the data on the usb stick were faulty, you would've noticed.
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08:47<josch>grove, jm_: The problem was not the server certificate but my user certificate I use to login on Debian services. But of course the error message (see my screenshot above) did not care to tell me this info... -.-
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08:52<grove>josch: Glad to hear you found out anyway
08:53<supaman>josch: this sounds counterintuitive, perhaps file a wish bug against service
08:54<josch>supaman: It has nothing to do with the service because the service is doing the right thing -- rejecting the certificate.
08:54<josch>Indeed when you read the error message here closely enough https://mister-muffin.de/p/Kih4.png then it says "SSL peer rejected *your* certificate"
08:54<josch>And I guess I'm just bad at reading error messages...
08:54<supaman>josch: ahhh, ok :-)
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08:56<pastic>can cinnamon and kde be started from the tty?
08:59<josch>pastic: Maybe I misread your initial message: are you starting cinnamon/kde as a live system from the usb or are you installing them first and only then boot into them?
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09:00<josch>pastic: If they don't start automatically, then something must've failed. For example you could start look at which services failed to start or some such.
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09:02<pastic>Nothing installed, want to test the different LiveCDs out to make my choice. I boot the LiveCD, select either of the two top options (default or with localisation support) and then it boots into tty. I few times Cinnamon started.
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09:03<josch>pastic: Okay, now I can see why you suspected dd being the culprit.
09:04<pastic>It's an older x58 platform with i7 CPU and 18 GB RAM. Several debaian-based distros are currently installed and all work snappily.
09:05<josch>pastic: To test whether you successfully copied the right stuff to your usb stick, you could read it back and compare checksums
09:06<josch>For example by doing: dd if=/dev/sdb iflag=count_bytes count=$(stat -c %s cd.iso) | md5sum
09:06<josch>And the value you get there should be the same as when doing: md5sum cd.iso
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09:07<pastic>as in sudo dd if=/dev/USBDRIVE of=/home/pastic/FILENAMEOFMYCHOICE.iso
09:07<pastic>dd make me abit nervous in this direction
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09:08<pastic>you beat me to it...
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09:29<supaman>,v stress-ng
09:29<judd>Package: stress-ng on amd64 -- jessie: 0.01.32-1; stretch: 0.07.16-1; bullseye: 0.09.50-1; buster: 0.09.50-1; sid: 0.10.00-1
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09:37<grove>Is there any point to judd sorting distributions the way it does? In the output above, the corresponding debian versions are 8, 9, 11, 10
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09:38<bremner>probably it just sorts by version, and doesn't care about distributions
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09:46<averagejoe>hello, I managed to crash a VM running on a certain CPU(taskset before qemu command) several times with stress-ng with the following error: [ 465.935152] stress-ng-fork: Corrupted page table at address 7fca889e8ca0. Now I'm trying to replicate this on hardware, but it's holding on. Could you help me narrow down on the tests I need to conduct with stress-ng?
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10:27<han>hi guys
10:28<han>do anyone know how can i speed up the booting debian?
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10:55<Vergo>!ask
10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:03<han__>!ask
11:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:03<han__>!help
11:03<han__>!commands
11:03<dpkg>commands is, like, The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html
11:04<supaman>han__: for general interaction with the infobot please use private message with it
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11:47<oux[m]>is it reliable to backup the entire system with rsync?
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12:06<petn-randall>oux[m]: Only if you take snapshots from the system. If you rsync a running system, databases and other things might not be consistent.
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12:11<oux[m]>what does that mean?
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12:12<oux[m]>searched and found timeshift, is that what i would want?
12:14<jmcnaught>oux[m]: snapshots are Copy-on-Write copies of a volume or filesystem that is frozen at a point in time. LVM can do this, so can btrfs and zfs.
12:15<oux[m]>so this would work to take a snapshot, install another distro, not be happy with it and just restore the snapshot and get my current system?
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12:15<oux[m]>even if the system is encrypted?
12:16<bremner>in theory. But in practice it would probably break in many different ways
12:16<jmcnaught>oux[m]: more like you could do a snapshot, do some upgrades or change some things in your distro, and roll back if you wanted. Doing it cross distro would be tricky
12:16<bremner>no, snapshots happen on the unecrypted volumes
12:16<bremner>most CoW snapshots support only a _limited_ amount of change.
12:16<jmcnaught>the underlying storage can be encrypted though, like LVM on top of LUKS that the debian-installer can set up for you
12:17<bremner>I've never heard of a successful rollback of a distro upgrade using LVM/ZFS snapshots. Maybe I just don't know the right people.
12:17<oux[m]>no no, i dont mean restore it on another distro. if i would reinstall the same distro i mean
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12:19<oux[m]>well, i guess ill just take a backup of /home instead :P
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12:20<bremner>it's not _that_ hard, but you do need to be using LVM/ZFS/whatever to do the snapshots: https://paste.debian.net/1095152/
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12:21<oux[m]>its not that important to backup the entire system, /home and /etc is the most important, everything else can be built up again
12:22<lupine>don't forget /var/lib
12:22<lupine>probably other important sites
12:24<oux[m]>why is that imporant ?
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12:25<blast007>!what to backup
12:25<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
12:25<oux[m]>https://www.ostechnix.com/backup-entire-linux-system-using-rsync/
12:25<oux[m]>i tried that one, so i guess i would have the most imporant stuff to restore if needed :D
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13:11<dpkg>[blog] term for "web log", a series of regular entries from an individual or group, usually with interactive features (e.g. readers' comments). Ask me about <blosxom>, <ikiwiki>, <movabletype>, <wordpress>. For the official Debian blog, ask me about <bits>.
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14:25<lolcat--007>does anyone know how to convert video from console with ffmpeg
14:25<lolcat--007>??
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14:27<lucy_>lolcat could you specify?
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14:30<lolcat--007>lucy_: i want to convert one mp4 to avi but keep the same video quality
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14:31<flay-net>boa tarde aqui é canal de hackers?? to atraz de cartoes de credito quem tiver ai me chama tenho esquemas bons
14:31<dboles>!fr
14:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
14:32<sqrt{not}>!es
14:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
14:32<dboles>oops sorry :)
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14:38<dkeagle>Hello everyone!
14:38<lucy_>hey
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14:39<dkeagle>i'm using Debian 10 with the Nvidia proprietary driver (for a GTX 1050ti) and i might have a few bugs with it
14:39<lucy_>Btw does anyone know why i have to use /usr/sbin/usermod and cant just type usermod? I never had this problem
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14:40<Vergo>as root?
14:40<lucy_>@dkeagle What bugs do you expirience?
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14:40<lucy_>@Vergo no as a normal user. I think when I logged into root it didnt change
14:41<lucy_>I wanted to add myself to sudoers
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14:41<Vergo>lucy_: /sbin and /usr/sbin isn't most likely added to the PATH of regular users by default
14:41<lucy_>Vergo: how would I do that?
14:42<sqrt{not}>lucy_: use "su -"
14:42<dkeagle>First of all, i'm using two physical screens, and they're regrouped under one "X Screen" (X Screen 0). The problem is when i try to share my screen (on Discord for exemple), it takes the complete "X Screen 0" to share, so the twos physical screens are shared
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14:43<sqrt{not}>the - makes your root shell have root's environment, it's a change in buster
14:43<lucy_>ah oke
14:43<lucy_>But will this change the problem with the normal user?
14:44<sqrt{not}>otherwise you are root, but still with the regular user's environment
14:44<sqrt{not}>no problem, when you exit from the root shell, you are back in the other shell where you started
14:44<dkeagle>I tried to use the proprietary driver (nvidia-settings) to set each physical screen in a diffent "X Screen", (so x screen 0 for a screen, and x screen 1 for the other) but i might have done something wrong cause i couldn't go past my login screen, GDM3 wasn't starting anymore xD
14:45<sqrt{not}>lucy_: i don't think you have a problem with the regular user. that user can't run usermod anyway (nortmally)
14:45<Vergo>lucy_: check what PATH in /etc/environment is, that may be the default
14:47<sqrt{not}>when you do a "su" or "su -" you are not the original user anymore, you are now root.
14:47<lucy_>well I got that atleastr hehe
14:48<dkeagle>lucy_,
14:48<sqrt{not}>you don't want regular users to be able to do usermods, normally
14:48<dkeagle>What's your problem ? Trying to add "your" normal user to sudoers ?
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14:49<lucy_>I solved that already, but I want to change things normally when I use sudo infront of a command. I do not want to use su to get permissions
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14:50<sqrt{not}>lucy_: you should be good already, after you added your user to group sudoers. you have to relogin for it to take effect
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14:51<sqrt{not}>but even then, you _become_ root temporarily, anytime you execute some command with sudo
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14:52<lucy_>well yeah I technically become root, but I dont stay in a root shell afaik
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14:52<sqrt{not}>lucy_: right
14:52<lucy_>but I should have ust logged out and in again
14:52<lucy_>my bad
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14:52<sqrt{not}>;) after that you should be good
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14:53<lucy_>great
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14:54<lucy_>Also is there a way to use the netinstall iso with wlan? I have the non free drivers on a stick and afaik no (easy) way to connect via Lan. Should I download the full install instead?
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14:55<dkeagle>can't help you on this, i always have a cable with me when i install xD
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14:56<lucy_>normally I do to, but I wont be at home and I really want to finally switch from Manjaro to debian
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14:57<dkeagle>Hmmmm. can't you grab a "bigger" complete install iso ? which won't need internet to install ?
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14:58<lucy_>Technically yes but thats like massive. I know that debian isnt that lightweight itself but like jeez thats alot of stuff and with slow internet really kills me
14:59<lucy_>It could be that I will only have a under 1 mbit connection
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15:16<jhutchins_wk>There are versions of the installer that have the non-free firmware available.
15:16<jhutchins_wk>!non-free
15:16<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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15:17<jhutchins_wk>!firmware
15:17<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
15:18<jhutchins_wk>Sheesh. Learn to lurk people.
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15:41<rort>is anyone on
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15:48<dkeagle>Does anyone know how to separate two screens with the nvidia proprietary driver ?
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16:00<rant>do what now?
16:01<dkeagle>rant, ?
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16:11<annadane>dkeagle, the question isn't really clear enough
16:11<annadane>!ask
16:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:12<dkeagle>Oh ok! Sorry
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16:13<dkeagle>I'm running Debian 10 with the nvidia proprietary driver (for a gtx 1050 ti) and it fusion my two screens into ONE "X Screen 0"
16:14<dkeagle>so when i try to share my screen, with Discord for example, it share ALL my dual screen, because it share the X screen, with the two screens
16:15<dkeagle>so i'd like to separate my two screens, one into a "X Screen 0" and another in "X Screen 1", but don't know if possible and how ?
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16:24<Vergo>dkeagle: I don't have such setup available but I suspect the solution would have something to do with disabling twinview, possibly via nvidia-settings
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16:26<dkeagle>All i know is that i have two screens, one in 1680*1050 and another in 1280*1024, and nvidia-settings says i have one screen, 2960*1135 XD
16:27<dkeagle>so when i try to share it (With Discord) it share that ONE big screen, with my two screen in one xD
16:28<Vergo>discord doesn't support sharing on a window basis?
16:28<dkeagle>depends on the app, some games allows it, but not all
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16:28<dkeagle>and if you want to share chrome or a file, then it's a no xD
16:29<Vergo>blame discord ;)
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16:29<dkeagle>well, i dual boot with Windows and i works perfectly xD, it's just the nvidia driver
16:30<Vergo>or how discord knows how to interact with the linux desktop
16:30<dkeagle>From what i see, discord ask the driver what it have to give
16:31<dkeagle>and the driver, instead of saying "i have two physical screens"
16:31<dkeagle>says "i have X screen 0, with two screens in one big screen"
16:31<dkeagle>so...
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16:32<dkeagle>ok, i failed xD
16:33<han>hi
16:34<dkeagle>you can find a screenshot of nvidia-settings here: https://pasteboard.co/IrWxIK4.png
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16:37<Vergo>dkeagle: you may need to modify the x config in some way so that it picks up those as separate screens, as that screenshot shows, it's currently configured with a metamode with a combined resolution of those two displays and that results it as appearing "X Screen 0" for both
16:37<dkeagle>i tried to tell the second screen to use create and use "X screen 1"
16:38<dkeagle>broked the driver, need to go in TTY3 to purge and reinstall it xD
16:38<dkeagle>all i had access to was the login screen, GDM3 wasn't starting anymore
16:39<Vergo>most likely not possible to do that way as you still have the first screen tied to the metamode which uses both displays so it wouldn't make any sense to have the possibility of having screen 1 with only the second display active at the same time
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16:40<dkeagle>maybe i should stop gdm and edit the config in tty N?
16:40<dkeagle>?*
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16:41<Vergo>or try first with xrandr to select some mode which defines only the first display
16:42<dkeagle>xrandr ? (i might have forgot to tell i'm quite new with Linux in general xD)
16:42<Vergo>what does the xrandr output even look like without any parameters?
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16:44<dkeagle>https://pastebin.com/kTJ1a745
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17:46<istrive>I'm using dd with gzip to image my volume, but I would like to have a log with some stats of the time elapsed to create the image and the network bandwight used to transferred the file, how to accomplish that?
17:47<istrive>this is my command dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c --fast | dd of=path_to_tile > /tmp/dd_backup.log 2>&1
17:47<istrive>the log doesn't show anything!
17:48<istrive>anybody familiar with Debian and dd/gzip to help me on this ?
17:48<geek1011>,i pv
17:48<judd>Package pv (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through. Version: 1.6.6-1; Size: 47.9k; Installed: 120k; Homepage: https://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pv
17:49<Vergo>I don't think pv helps in this situation
17:49<Vergo>istrive: does it still show output in the terminal?
17:50<istrive>the backup runs from bash script, so I want the total time taken and the avg speed to transfer, this pv is more like "live" monitoring...
17:50<istrive>am I right?
17:50<Vergo>yes
17:50<geek1011>yes
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17:52<istrive>I looked over the dd man and couldn't find a way of achieving it, so when to gzip, noda there either! I belive it has to a way to do just that!
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17:52<istrive>Linux never takes no for an answer! lol
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17:54<geek1011>well, you can get a single progress report by sending SIGUSR1 to it, but that won't help get the ending value
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17:56<istrive>dd has no stats on itself, righ?
17:56<geek1011>wait a sec, I think it does
17:56<geek1011>let me check
17:57<istrive>thank you so much for the effort!
17:57<geek1011>don't you see something like: 572400+0 records out // 293068800 bytes (293 MB, 279 MiB) copied, 1.70047 s, 172 MB/s
17:57<istrive>nope...
17:58<geek1011>after the command finishes (add status=progress to see it during)
17:58<istrive>this is my command line: dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c --fast | dd of=$bakdst$flimg > /tmp/dd_backup.log 2>&1
17:58<blast007>does 'dd' report that via stdout or stderr?
17:58<geek1011>stderr
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17:59<geek1011>I see it if I run: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=100 | gzip -c --fast | dd of=/dev/null
17:59<geek1011>and if I redirect it too
17:59<geek1011>,v dd
17:59<judd>No package named 'dd' was found in amd64.
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17:59<dkeagle>Vergo, Forgot to link you, i sent my xrandr output earlier
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18:01<istrive>this is my command line: dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M count=100 | gzip -c --fast | dd of=$bakdst$flimg > /tmp/dd_backup.log 2>&1 and that wouldn't mess with gzip?
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18:01<blast007>what about this? ( dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c --fast | dd of=$bakdst$flimg ) > /tmp/dd_backup.log 2>&1
18:01<blast007>(wrapping the commands in parenthesis)
18:01<geek1011>istrive: nope, it outputs to stderr, and gzip reads from stdin
18:02<geek1011>blast007: this seems to work for me: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=100 | gzip -c --fast | dd of=/dev/null 2> dd.log
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18:03<blast007>geek1011: depends if they want the output of the first dd as well as the second
18:03<blast007>I believe mine would log both the input total and the output total
18:03<istrive>I think wrapping would be a better situation as I don't know if the voume size would chage drastically (count=100) is a fixed amount
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18:03<geek1011>blast007: it seems they want the second, as they want the compressed transfer amount, and the time would be the same between the two
18:05<blast007>if that's the case then their original command should have worked for capturing the output total
18:05<geek1011>that's what I'd think too
18:05<geek1011>istrive: is that your entire command?
18:05<istrive>yes
18:05<geek1011>and the log is blank?
18:06<istrive>yes
18:06<istrive>but the image was successfully created!
18:06<istrive>:)
18:06<geek1011>what happens if you don't redirect the output?
18:06<geek1011>and what happens if you run: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=100 | gzip -c --fast | dd of=/dev/null
18:06<istrive>I don't know, it is called by crontab saturday at 3am! ;)
18:07<geek1011>that might be part of why then
18:07<geek1011>is there any output in your mail?
18:07<istrive>nope
18:07<blast007>wake up at 3AM on Saturday and run it manually to test ;)
18:08<istrive>you are very optistic! ;)
18:08<istrive>lol
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18:08<istrive>anyhow, is there a way to run dd to a fulver istead of a volume? than I could thest it now
18:09<istrive>folder not fulver...sorry!
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18:09<geek1011>what exactly do you mean? do you mean to generate a filename based on the current date?
18:10<istrive>I meant to image a folder, but that was a dumb question, sorry!
18:11<geek1011>tar, lol!
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18:12<istrive>that I know, and I use the duplicity instead!
18:12<istrive>I will try the wrapping approach and see what happens tomorrow!
18:12*geek1011 agrees
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18:13<istrive>another thing is the DISPLAY for ssh -X user@server, my continuosly reports error to access the display :0
18:13<istrive>any idea?
18:15<istrive>server is debian buster, xauth installed the client is macOS high sierra and Win 10 Pro (powershell with native ssh client [finally available in win]) but no lucky calling gui apps from ssh session!
18:16<istrive>can't open display
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18:20<geek1011>do you have an X server installed?
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18:20<istrive>xorg
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18:21<geek1011>as in vcxsrv/xming on Windows or xquartz on macOS?
18:21<istrive>the sshd_conf is uncommented for x11forwarding
18:22<istrive>i tried the MobaXterm in windows and the plain terminal on macOS high sierra
18:22<istrive>noda on both
18:23<geek1011>try DISPLAY=:0.0
18:23<geek1011>on the client side
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18:24<istrive>I did this on the mac and the pc before connecting to ssh -X but I'm still getting cant open display!
18:25<istrive>I'm on xming website looking at it as we speak!
18:27<istrive>mobaxTerm for windows has a built-in XServer but I believe it's on the server configuration that I'm missing something stupid!
18:28<geek1011>what is X11UseLocalhost set to on the server side (it should be false)
18:29<istrive>the sshd_config doesn't have this line
18:30<geek1011>what is $DISPLAY on the server side?
18:30<istrive>not defined
18:30<geek1011>try setting it to localhost:10.0 on the server
18:31<geek1011>I think there is an issue with your server setup
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18:31<istrive>I agree!
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18:32<istrive>should I add this line X11UseLocalhost false to my sshd_config?
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19:25<sqrt{not}>istrive: The login shell started by sshd on your target linux box will automatically assign $DISPLAY if there is something on the other end (windows or mac) that could work as an X display. DO NOT set $DISPLAY manually, you will just confuse things.
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19:29<sqrt{not}>istrive: Also, when you are discussing or reading about X-windows setups, the place where you are sitting, looking at a graphics screen is the "server" and any remote place you connected to, that wants to send data to that display, is then called a "client".
19:30<sqrt{not}>istrive: which almost seems backwards, until you get in the X frame of mind
19:31<sqrt{not}>so, on your windows box, you must run some kind of X server like Xming or mobaxterm, if you want to function as an "X server"
19:35<istrive>I tried without setting also, just by initiating the ssh with -X and still no lucky there
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19:36<sqrt{not}>did you have some kind of X server running on your end (windows or mac) ?
19:36<istrive>my mobaxterm configuratio for the connection is over ssh
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19:37<istrive>terminal type is set to xterm
19:37<sqrt{not}>did you connect to the linux box from inside mobaxterm, or from the powershell thing ?
19:39<istrive>both, neither forward the display!
19:40<sqrt{not}>hmmm, powershell does not have any X server, so it won't forward graphics. mobaxterm maybe should, i never tried it. does it have a graphics mode ?
19:40<istrive>guess what? it worked all of the sudden!
19:41<istrive>All I did was to add the X11UseLocalhost no
19:41<istrive>to the sshd_config
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19:41<istrive>I guess that is a must!
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19:41<sqrt{not}>HOORAY !! good job, patience is rewarded.
19:43<istrive>and Google to save the day!
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19:44<istrive>after 22034569580 pages loaded I found one lead here from user <geek1011>
19:45<istrive>Thak you all who took time to look into this, I really appreciate your effort! this community rocks!
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19:46<chuck>Hey guys I've got a conky startup script that I need to run on startup, but I can't figure out where to put it. I'm running Debian 10 With XFCE
19:48<istrive>does anybody know a good graphical interface for network monitoring of live connections per node (something like ehterape) but more modern looking?
19:48<ais-admin>chuck, check here: http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html
19:48<chuck>Thanks I'll give it a read.
19:49<ais-admin>istrive, I use Mikrotik's 'The Dude' sadly for winbox's only but runs under wine
19:49<istrive>checking it now
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19:52<ais-admin>fin an old version - not newer than 4.02 I believe. That was the last version that operated Stand-alone (as its own server) rather that requiring a clnet/server setup
19:53<istrive>where can I find this "fin"
19:53<ais-admin>s/fin/find/
19:54<istrive>?
19:54<sarnold>istrive: investigate netflow and related tooling
19:54<istrive>ok
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19:54<istrive>I was reviewing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MYLuKvv1vI
19:55<sarnold>istrive: s/foo/bar/ is a shorthand for 'replaces foo with bar' -- in this case, 'find an old version ..'
19:55<chuck>I tried rcconf and conky was not listed among my options. I was however able to turn off tor from autostarting which was helpful.
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20:01<istrive>thank you all, have a nice weeked!
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20:02<sarnold>have fun istrive :)
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20:18<Minatrix>guten Morgen bin neu hier
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20:21<sqrt{not}>good evening Minatrix, welcome, mostly english here
20:22<sqrt{not}>Minatrix there is also a Deutsch channel, but probably fewer people there
20:22<sqrt{not}>!de
20:22<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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