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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-08-10

---Logopened Sat Aug 10 00:00:46 2019
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01:17<celeryman>this has probably come up often, and if i've missed a good resource please excuse me. does xwayland on buster support keyboard capture?
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02:56<vicky>Hi. Is this the way to apply patch to a package?
02:57<vicky>dpkg-source -x <package>.dsc
02:57<vicky>dpkg-source -q --commit . test.patch
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03:19<vicky>Any idea what this message means? dpkg-source: info: there are no local changes to record
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03:20<luna_>https://streaming.media.ccc.de/froscon2019/S1#schedule https://www.froscon.de/en/news/today-is-the-day-2/ Linux conference in Germany
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03:26<yundd>??
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03:31<yundd>???
03:32<luna_>yundd: ????
03:32<yundd>ss
03:33<yundd>ss
03:33<yundd>you ren ma
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04:01<la_mettrie>i installed some gtk-devel libs and my font changed. especially m-letter got borked somehow. font-config files seems not to have been modified according to their timestamps. what to do?
04:02<la_mettrie>the font i'm using for my program i had copied to its own directory. the font file itself has not changed but something else.
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04:07<dkeagle>Hmmm, Maybe try to reboot ? I had the same problem with some of my softwares after i updated from Debian 9 to 10 and rebooting fixed it
04:09<la_mettrie>reboot? this happened a few months ago and i have rebooted ~100 times since then
04:09<dkeagle>Ohh, xD Sorry but i don't know then xD
04:09<dkeagle>i'm quite new with all this, try my best to help x)
04:10<la_mettrie>no probs
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04:18<dkeagle>Does someone knows how to separate screens in two differents X Screens using nvidia-settings ?
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05:34<TheDcoder>Hi, does the first CD/DVD image come with all of the mentioned desktop environments in this article?: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo#Select_a_Desktop_Environment
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05:44<saati>TheDcoder: you want to install without internet?
05:45<TheDcoder>saati: yes, and I have gotten my answer at the channel at freenode, I am downloading DVD1 via torrent now :)
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09:16<dkeagle>Does someone knows how to separate screens in two differents X Screens using nvidia-settings ?
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09:24<Vergo>dkeagle: the 'let me google that for you' method gives https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors (which is still old but may be applicable) and https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1029540/linux/individual-x-windows-server-for-a-dual-display-setup/ which points the limitations of having the desktop split into multiple screens
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09:28<dkeagle>Vergo, gonna read that, thx
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10:22<helpleasedebian>Hello guys Russian people is there?
10:23<Blendie>there might be
10:24<helpleasedebian> I need help, I encountered a problem installing the distribution
10:24<bremner>!ru
10:24<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
10:25<bremner>obviously you can also stay here for help in English
10:26<helpleasedebian> I will be glad if the guys from the first world help me
10:26<bremner>can be more specific about your installation problem?
10:27<helpleasedebian> Tell me, can I somehow upload a video here? I photographed my problem on the phone
10:27<Vergo>!paste
10:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:29<helpleasedebian>https://file.io/f6UNRm
10:30<helpleasedebian> Tell me what is my given problem? At this stage, I have no further installation :(
10:31<bremner>helpleasedebian: that link is 404
10:31<helpleasedebian>oh sorry im new upload
10:31<Vergo>I did get it, the install selection is in russian but looks like some sort of timeout related to network connectivity is being waited
10:32<Vergo>how many minutes did you wait for it to continue?
10:32<helpleasedebian>https://file.io/KAQYgM
10:33<helpleasedebian>Vergo yeah
10:33<helpleasedebian>im wait 2 hours
10:33<helpleasedebian>and no installing :(
10:33<Vergo>one of the other virtual consoles may have the actual error visible in that situation
10:33<helpleasedebian> Now I’ll say what it was, give me 1 minute
10:33<bremner>it's hard to say without reading russian
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10:34<Vergo>the dhcp strings makes me assume it's trying to configure networking
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10:37<helpleasedebian> First as seen in the video 'automatic setup attempt ipv6' two windows ' network setup using DCHPv6', and after that the installation did not continue any further, as I find out from my provider is not supported v6, maybe because of this my system is not installed?
10:39<helpleasedebian> How can I install the system from v4? im installing distribution debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree
10:39<bremner>iirc, it should have tried v4 first
10:39<Vergo>it should try v4 first indeed
10:40<helpleasedebian> he automatically immediately began to tune v6 (
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10:41<helpleasedebian> he didn’t even try to install automatically 4 the system immediately began to look for installation v6
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10:43<helpleasedebian> Is it possible to install the system with host protocol v4 or should I try installing another distribution? since my provider is not using v6
10:43<bremner>most people install debian with IPv4
10:44<helpleasedebian> but as I said, my system automatically began to configure ipv6 without even trying to install v4 :(
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10:45<helpleasedebian> if you turn off the Internet this can help?
10:46<linux7872232232324>did you try disabling v6 using sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 and sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
10:47<helpleasedebian>ohh no im no try
10:47<helpleasedebian> can you advise the distribution kit, maybe there is a problem in it?
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10:48<linux7872232232324>I used stable netinst image. It works.
10:49<helpleasedebian> I don’t understand why my installation does not try to install immediately v4 but trying to install v6.
10:49<helpleasedebian>cd ?
10:50<helpleasedebian> Small installation image:
10:51<helpleasedebian>im used debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
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10:51<bremner>if all else fails try again selecting english instead of russian, so we can understand it
10:52<linux7872232232324>You can create a bootable USB using debian net install iso. example: dd if=debian-net.iso of=/dev/sdx bs=8M
10:53<helpleasedebian>bremner ok im used english version and created new video
10:54<helpleasedebian>wait five minutes and im back
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10:57<helpleasedebian> This installation window is infinite and the system cannot be installed. I will record video now
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11:17<jhutchins>2~Even a netinstall should be able to continue without networking and install a basic system. Did we determine which installer for which release he's running? Did we verify the checksum of the iso?
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11:37<minikdo>hi, I've installed Debian 10 by calamares from debian live usb. I have some boot issues: plymouth doesn't work, 2/ entering wrong LUKS passphrase causes fall to grub rescue 3/ slow boot process: systemd waits for cryptsetup
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11:46<Jay>Hi all
11:48<Jay>......?
11:49<Jay>talk then.
11:50<Blendie>hiya
11:50<Jay>hi hows you
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11:51<Jay>hi tom
11:52<Blendie>high like an ufo after a f-16
11:52*Blendie asks rant to come over
11:52<Jay>lol before or after area 51 is stormed
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11:52<Blendie>ah this isn't the best channel for this chat
11:53<Jay>sais who?
11:53<Blendie>a guy who knows the policy for this kind of talk on this channel but typed that here by mistake
11:54<Jay>no1 else is talking so dw i wouldnt
11:54<dboles>!chat
11:54<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
11:55<Jay>i need help but i brke ice 1st
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11:56<dboles>consider it broken ;-) and just ask your question, and if anyone who reads it can help, they will
11:57<Jay>ok
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11:59<Jay>well windows 7 bsod so i installed windows 10 and that works but the system reboots itself so now im on linux to try and make it reboot here to see if its soft or hardware related issue, what can i run on linux to stress the graphics a lil bit
12:00<Jay>and something more than yt video i tried vlc but thats not even opening after install so cant test that
12:02<dboles>packages stress and stress-ng come to mind
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12:02<dboles>one or both should give sufficient options to stress the gfx
12:02<dboles>and cpu and ram and etc
12:02<Jay>i want a gui tho not command line
12:03<dboles>dunno then. maybe something like this? console-gui is still a gui i guess https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/s-tui-cpu-monitoring-and-stress-testing.html
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12:04<Jay>ok i got mplayer working
12:04<Jay>thatl have 2 do
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12:06<jhutchins>We used to use kernel compiles to stress test systems.
12:07<jhutchins>Jay: You shouldn't expect to be able to troubleshoot hardware with the gui.
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12:08<Jay>on windows it reboots doing random things like playing a film or a game etc
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12:09<jhutchins>Jay: laptop?
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12:09<Jay>no
12:09<Jay>its an intel i7 4 ghz on an as rcok z87 oc ac board
12:10<Jay>rock * and 16 gb ram
12:10<jhutchins>I'd open the case and clean out any dust, reseat any cards, cables, and DIMMs.
12:10<weedloser>I think unigine benchmarks are on linux, note that they're non-free though
12:10<Jay>its spotless just upgraded the pc yesturday
12:10<jhutchins>Jay: All the more reason to re-seat the hardware. Something may be loose.
12:11<Jay>i reckon its the psu as it takes 3 seconds to startup (fans upon turnin on)
12:11<Jay>nothing is lose iv double checked
12:11<weedloser>PSU's usually work or they don't
12:11<weedloser>3 seconds is normal, it's POST
12:11<jhutchins>I would suspect that it's something you upgraded.
12:12<jhutchins>Intermittents are often hardware.
12:12<jhutchins>... also often thermal.
12:12<Jay>this psu is cheap crap that makes noise when it 1st starts up its 750 watt but its peak is 225 watt
12:12<Jay>no high temps and it dont shutdown it reboots
12:12<weedloser>what model is the PSU specifically?
12:13<weedloser>yeah, btw, PSU's are not something you want to skimp on
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12:13<Jay>EVO LABS INTEL P4 MODEL-E 750-BR
12:13<weedloser>get a good one like seasonic or evga supernovas 80+ gold models with 10 year warranty
12:13<weedloser>never heard of that.
12:14<Jay>EXACLTY LOL ITS CHEAP CRAP BUT ALL I CUD AFFORD A COUPLE YEARS AGO I GOT A CORSAIR ON ITS WAY (850) WATT
12:14<Jay>BUT ITS NOT DOING IT IN LINUX ONLY WINDOWS SO IT MAYBE SOFTWARE RELATED WHO KNOWS
12:14<Jay>soz for caps
12:14<weedloser>:p
12:14<weedloser>yeah, could be software related
12:15<weedloser>stress testing it properly with unigine could be a good way to eliminate that variable
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12:15<Jay>i think its a windows kernal issue as the windows logs metion power kernal error or something
12:15<weedloser>do people spell kernel "kernal" ironically or not?
12:16<weedloser>it's quite hilarious
12:16<jhutchins>Jay: There are several hundred W10 machines at my office that do not randomly reboot. I doubt it's Windows, but it could be other software.
12:16<Jay>yeah but this board is nutorious for it
12:16<Jay>on forums sound drivers can cause the same symptoms
12:16<jhutchins>In fact, if the problem happens on both W7 and W10 then it's almost certainly not the OS.
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12:17<weedloser>you didn't mention that Jay
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12:17<weedloser>i've heard plenty cases of broken windows drivers causing issues like that.
12:17<Jay>i swapped ram but could still be that but wyh wouldnt linux reboot its all the same hardware
12:20<Jay>this is why i need a full screen graphics benchmark stress test for linux you see
12:21<weedloser>as said -> https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven <-
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12:21<weedloser>(non-free)
12:22<Jay>ty i dl it now
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12:25<Jay>wait its not free fk that then
12:25<weedloser>not free as in not open source
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12:25<weedloser>it's free beer but no freedom
12:26<Jay>do i have to pay or not ?
12:26<Jay>thats what i need to know
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12:27<weedloser>no.
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12:27<weedloser>the term 'free software' really is confusing.
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12:28<weedloser>libre, or even better "open source" is better
12:29<weedloser>but rms obviously doesn't like the latter :P
12:30<Jay>no pay = free
12:30<Jay>i dnt care if its os or not just saying
12:30<Jay>i just ran like 50 vids at same time and it still didnt reboot
12:31<Jay>i reckon its windows issue tbh
12:31<weedloser>50 vids at the same time, lol.
12:31<Jay>yeah it was an accident
12:31<Jay>mplayer has no playlist it seems
12:31<Jay>vlc refuses to open
12:31<weedloser>Jay: free is often used in that context, yes
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12:31<weedloser>rms likes to believe 'free' as in 'freedom'
12:31<weedloser>quite silly
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12:31<weedloser>i recommend MPV.
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12:32<Jay>yes kris uses that u know him from yt yeah?
12:32<Jay>it uses ffmpeg
12:32<Jay>filmsbykris is a good yt'er
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12:33<weedloser>no idea who that is, i've found most linux 'youtubers' to be quite low quality content.
12:33<weedloser>i'll take a look
12:33<Jay>yeah some hacking ones are lo yeah
12:33<Jay>but hes a firefighter
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12:33<weedloser>the best about it is that you can stream videos with youtube-dl
12:33<Jay>yt is just a hobby
12:33<weedloser>so just mpv <url>
12:33<weedloser>oh ok
12:33<Jay>yes i know that
12:34<Jay>i wana play local files thjo not url
12:34<Jay>brb gna try an get some smoke
12:34<Jay>some w33d might fix my bad luck
12:35<weedloser>lol
12:35<Jay>nvr know ;)
12:35<Jay>i just realised your name lol
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12:37<weedloser>:9
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12:40<piper>Jay: time to grow your own, it's easy & cheap;)
12:41<jhutchins>Getting pretty far off-topic here.
12:41*geek1011 agrees
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12:42<Jay>i did but its weak i need high grades
12:42<piper>well, then its not free, or open source, or free as beer, or free speech, you may boot me if you like, censorship sucks to the third degree
12:43<jhutchins>piper: Nothing to do with censorship, this is a technical support channel. There are plenty of other channels for general social chat.
12:44<weedloser>./join #debian-offtopic
12:45<Jay>./join #debian-offtopic
12:45<weedloser>lmao.
12:45<Jay>it dont work even without dot
12:45<weedloser>the one on freenode is more active by the way
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12:45<piper>jhutchins: i have done support for over 40+ years, i am retired, i disagree 100% that is why people use other distros, debian could be better, but the young gods ruin it
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12:46<weedloser>i'm actually interested in what you have to say piper
12:46<weedloser>but let's head off top the #debian-offtopic channel on freenode
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12:48<piper>weedloser: it's ok, they ruin something that can be good, irc here is a joke, everyone knows it, that why debian is not #1 choice for anyone, instead, they will use a debian derivative instead but i am done
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12:51<weedloser>I think you're overreacting, you can talk about weed or whatever in offtopic channel.
12:51<weedloser>it's just a matter of keeping order.
12:51<weedloser>;)
12:52<piper>weedloser: it's been this way since 1997 when i first started in debian, thats not overreacting, but, i have shit to do
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12:53<weedloser>would you mind elaborating in freenode #debian-offtopic, as said i'm interested in hearing.
12:54<piper>no, i have shit to do around the house, rainchech
12:54<piper>*check
12:54<weedloser>oh well, bye then :/
12:55<piper>i will add, that if* is is busy with questions, that is a different story, but, at that time it was dead
12:56<weedloser>that's a fair point, imo, but you were busy though?
12:56<piper>you weren't hurt the support system period
12:58<piper>i just came home sat down at the time, look above or the log, nothing going on, if i had a job that didn't have a little ot, i would quit, no questions asked
12:59<piper>if it were my company, i would have a little fun and ot and humour, because without that your not human, your a machine
12:59<dboles>and a little OT was had. so it's fine?
13:00<piper>dboles: yes, it is whats your point
13:00<dboles>nothing, just to maybe chill out, we had a bit of OT and it's OK
13:01<dboles>then someone said maybe it should go to another channel. no big deal
13:01<weedloser>^
13:01<weedloser>not really a big deal
13:01<weedloser>the debian offtopic channel is liberal
13:01<dboles>i agree with you generally and don't think this channel is usually overly unfair about that; it's not like anyone saying any OT stuff gets immediately kicked or whatever
13:01<coruja>but it's good practice (not just in here) to keep off-topic down when support is being done
13:01<dboles>course, i haven't been doing it for as long as you, so i deer
13:01<dboles>*defer
13:02<weedloser>ironically, we're really offtopic now
13:02<piper>coruja: bingo, i said that above ;)
13:02<coruja>piper, too much off-topic to read completely ;)
13:02<weedloser>can't say i don't agree, but it's not really a big deal.
13:03<piper>this is why debian irc is talked about in other forums and to ignore the place at all costs ;)
13:04<piper>most refer it to the dickheads, but, i do help out when i can, but i also agree it can be much better, really have to go now, wife has my arm
13:04<dboles>yeah but it's a matter of what those forums are; if they're parrot script kiddy forums, then good!
13:04<dboles>have a good one!
13:04<coruja>i think it's up to the #debian irc 'team' to decide, what may be written here and what may not - as long as it's clearly communicated and makes sense (which it both does imho) no disagree from my side
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13:07<coruja>furthermore this support channel is too big (the freenode one even more) to let it be spammed with off-topic while there is #debian-offtopic, both for supporters and users/guests hard to follow then
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13:13<Jay>windows channel sucks they banned me for mentioning linux lol
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13:14<dmorris>"microsoft <3 linux"
13:14<weedloser>windows channel, on irc?
13:14<weedloser>really?
13:14<Jay>freenode
13:14<weedloser>well yes, still don't think the story was that simple
13:14<dmorris>is mirc still a thing?
13:15<annadane>probably not but i read a post on reddit of someone who uses WINE purely in order to use mirc (because it has a bunch of features that they want)
13:15<Jay>weed u slagging me off in windows channel like a lil rat?
13:15<annadane>so for one person at least, it is :P
13:16<Jay>il cut ur phone line u cnt
13:16<weedloser>):
13:16<weedloser>>is high on weed
13:16<Jay>lol
13:17<Jay>\som1 in there i sware slaggin meoff
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13:17<weedloser>go off to offtopic already
13:17<weedloser>we'll shittalk there
13:17<weedloser>what irc client you using that's making your life so hard?
13:17<Jay>som1 called crazy sam or somthing
13:18<Jay>lol
13:19<Jay>i tried joining that but it didnt work
13:19<Jay>wasnt on about you btw
13:20<weedloser>sigh
13:20<Jay>ha your phone lines safe dude
13:22<Jay>and im on xchat why
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13:24<annadane>i do think xchat has been discontinued for a long time, no? the successor is hexchat
13:24<weedloser>Jay: internet goes over fiber, and i can still ring my phone
13:24<weedloser>thanks for not cutting it down
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13:25<Jay>u not got fibre in your house tho noone has
13:26<weedloser>yes
13:27<Jay>so ur saying you got a optical converter in your house?
13:27<weedloser>yes
13:27<Jay>isp's dont pay for that
13:27<weedloser>no
13:27<Jay>exacly
13:27<Jay>its all cable or phone lines
13:27<weedloser>i pay for that
13:27<weedloser>not isp
13:27<weedloser>so i have it
13:28<weedloser>i live in the civilised continent called "europe"
13:28<weedloser>here we're in the future
13:28<Jay>i got super fast fibre and only 2 lil copper wires lol
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13:31<grove>Stop the off-topic chat
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13:31<Jay>./join #debian-offtopic dont exist
13:32<Jay>./join #offtopic exists though
13:32<Jay>no1 in there tho only likr 5 ppl
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13:33<weedloser>it does though mate
13:33<weedloser>i'm in it
13:33<grove>No matter what, it does not allow off-topic chat here
13:33<weedloser>i'll just open a PM.
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13:38<parrot>hi
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14:01<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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14:06<dboles>shame 577 people didn't all say hello back at once
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14:08<weedloser>hi
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14:28<Jay>hi
14:29<annadane>people in this channel sure are friendly
14:30<weedloser>yes
14:30<weedloser>say hi
14:30<weedloser>hi
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14:43<EmleyMoor>I am trying to access the "data" part of a "Hidden Track" mixed mode CD, using Debian, but cannot work out how to mount any filesystem that may be there (there is supposed to be one). Is there any way to access this in Debian?
14:45<EmleyMoor>I have already copied the CD to bin/cue files using the cdrdao package, including the track 1 pregap, but I am unable to make any sense of what's there
14:48<bremner>!code-oss
14:48<bremner>!vscode
14:48<bremner>ok then.
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14:59<ffrim>Hello there i keep getting this error and cannot find any firmware packages to fix it
14:59<ffrim>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_huc_ver01_8_2893.bin for module i915
15:00<lupine>definitely switch to some foshg
15:02<weedloser>ffrim: firmware-misc-nonfree
15:02<ffrim>thanks i will try that
15:02<weedloser>https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-misc-nonfree
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15:17<sqrt{not}>weedloser: I don't see either of those requested firmware blobs in firmware-misc-nonfree (actually in any debian firmware package) Are you sure ? maybe if ffrim comes back we could ask what version kernel he is running
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15:18<weedloser>hm, you might be right
15:18<weedloser>i instinctively linked it since "i915"
15:19<weedloser>it's an intel igpu module
15:19<sqrt{not}>yep. plenty of i915 stuff in there, but not those specific 2 blobs. I have one of those fine i915 right here myself ;)
15:20<weedloser>hm. woah.
15:20<weedloser>he might be running icelake already
15:20<weedloser>"icl"
15:20<weedloser>or does it stand for something else?
15:22<weedloser>probably gonna need to build a custom kernel for that.
15:22<weedloser>can't find those specific ones in sid, altough icelake related stuff
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15:25<sqrt{not}>yup, that is icelake. bxt is broxton.
15:27<sqrt{not}>I see those blobs at https://github.com/wkennington/linux-firmware/tree/master/i915, but not anywhere in debian yet apparently.
15:28<weedloser>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/i915
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15:29<sqrt{not}>yah, that's why i was asking what kernel he might be running -- maybe has some custom or non-debian kernel already ?
15:29<weedloser>yeah
15:31<weedloser>woah :DD
15:31<weedloser>you reminded me about checking kernels in sid/experimental
15:31<weedloser>5.2 is in unstable now, nice!
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15:33<keyvin_>Any reason the kernel is being built with blutooth support for rtl8822 but not wifi?
15:35<jhutchins>!rtl8822
15:35<jhutchins>dpkg: rtl8822
15:35<dpkg>jhutchins: i haven't a clue
15:35<jhutchins>dpkg: i915
15:35<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net.
15:35<jhutchins>keyvin_: Might be a separate package.
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15:36<sqrt{not}>keyvin: there is firmware in package "firmware-realtek" do you have that installed ?
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15:36<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: What's your pciid? Maybe judd knows.
15:37<sqrt{not}>keyvin: jhutchins is actually asking you this question ^^^^^
15:37<keyvin_>Yeah, I do - but
15:37<keyvin_>now I just ran update/upgrade and it's upgrading the package
15:37<keyvin_>but I didn't get a firmware not found
15:37<keyvin_>rebooting
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15:38<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: Thanks, lost in the scrollback.
15:39<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: Who was it that was having trouble with their i915?
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15:39<sqrt{not}>that was ffrim
15:40<vicantre>?MOchil3r0$
15:41<weedloser>ffrim, he's not back
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15:46<jhutchins>I think we know somebody's password.
15:48<vicantre>jhutchins: yes, you did... not anymore :-p
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15:49<vicantre>haha typing on black screen in a hurry (story of my life)
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15:54<jhutchins>vicantre: Well, we didn't actually know what the password was _for_ so not as bad as it could be.
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15:55<jhutchins>In the general support channel at work last week: "Hello, can you reset my password to <password string>?"
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17:07<keyvin>Hey, I asked earlier about why the kernel image didn't support my hardware
17:07<keyvin>rtl8822be
17:07<keyvin>I looked at the salsa.debian.org config
17:07<keyvin>and the upstream default config for 5.2
17:07<keyvin>rtlw88 module isn't enabled by either
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17:08<keyvin>it's not experimental or anything
17:08<keyvin>I'm new to doing anything other than just using debian... would I file a bug, or just email the kernel packagers?
17:11<ach>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rtl8822be+github+debian+kernel+5.2&t=ffnt&ia=web
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17:17<ach>!git
17:17<dpkg>Git is a distributed version control system created by Linus Torvalds, currently used to maintain the Linux kernel. http://wiki.debian.org/UsingGit http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour http://git-scm.com/ #git on irc.freenode.net. See also <movein>.
17:17<ach>https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
17:17<sqrt{not}>keyvin: what kernel are you running ?
17:18<keyvin>one sec
17:19<keyvin>5.2.0.2-amd64
17:19<sqrt{not}>is that a debian version ? where did you get it ?
17:20<amacater>Sounds like sid
17:20<keyvin>yeah
17:20<keyvin>it's sid
17:20<keyvin>but
17:20<amacater>!sid
17:20<dpkg>from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
17:21<keyvin>I might have done something dumb
17:21<keyvin>let me check reallll quick
17:23<geek1011>!kernels
17:23<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.2.8, mainline: 5.3-rc3, stable 5.2: 5.2.8, stable 5.1: 5.1.21 (EOL), longterm 4.19: 4.19.66, longterm 4.14: 4.14.138, longterm 4.9: 4.9.188, longterm 4.4: 4.4.188, longterm 3.16: 3.16.71, linux-next: next-20190809
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17:23<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 5.2+106
17:24<keyvin>yeah, I'm on 5.2 in sid
17:24<keyvin>I can build the kernel packages and alter the conf
17:24<keyvin>I just don't know if this was an oversight or deliberate
17:24<keyvin>guess I'm in the wrong channel now that I have a browser
17:26<Fraggle>I know how to sign modules with MOK, is ist possible with a self compiled kernel?
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17:49<rob_debian>Hi all, I'd like to have any support on the following: I saw this message through 'dmesd' command in Debian Buster: '[ 0.066038] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x20 (or later)'
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17:50<geek1011>,i intel-microcode
17:50<judd>Package intel-microcode (non-free/admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs. Version: 3.20190618.1; Size: 1892.9k; Installed: 2421k; Homepage: https://github.com/intel/Intel-Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-Files
17:50<rob_debian>So, I installed 'intel-microcode' and this issue was fixed. But, during its installation process, it was displayed the following messages: https://paste.debian.net/1095290/
17:51<rob_debian>There are tons of firmware now described, and I don't know how to start this task. Hope anyone can help me on this. Thank you very much !
17:51<geek1011>That's not an issue, those are errors for unrelated firmware files for NVIDIA and i915 graphics
17:52<rob_debian>Hi geek1011, thanks for information, but, what's the relevance to have this message if I really don't need them ? I'm not so sure if I'm asking correctly....
17:54<geek1011>Those are relevant if you have those chips
17:54<geek1011>For example kaby lake (kbl), skylake (skl), etc
17:54<rob_debian>Please, how to check in Debian if I need or not them ?
17:54<geek1011>If you want to get rid of the i915 ones, just:
17:54<geek1011>,i firmware-misc-nonfree
17:54<judd>Package firmware-misc-nonfree (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel. Version: 20190114-1; Size: 2998.7k; Installed: 10629k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
17:55<rob_debian>Oh, I see, thanks for that geek1011 and judd !
17:55<rob_debian>Is judd a bot ?
17:55<geek1011>yep :)
17:55<geek1011>And as for the NVIDIA firmware files, you probably don
17:55<geek1011>'t need them if graphics works fine now
17:56<rob_debian>yes, it works fine here, geek1011, thanks a lot for attention and great support ! :)
17:56<geek1011>no problem
17:57<geek1011>oh, and that package also should fix the noveau ones too
17:57<geek1011>s/noveau/nouveau/
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17:59<rob_debian>Let me see if I understood you, geek1011: if I installed 'firmware-misc-nonfree' it would prevent me from other nor related issues ?
18:00<geek1011>Maybe, but it would at least get rid of those warnings
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18:01<rob_debian>Fine, geeks1011, so I'll install it and monitor Debian after reboot through 'dmesg'. Thanks a lot !
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18:22<geek1011>No problem!
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19:47<rob_debian>Please, I rebooted the system after have installed 'intel-microcode' (iucode-tool, the name of the package in debian) and 'firmware-misc-nonfree'. But, after reboot, I checked several errors messagens flagged in red color through 'dmesg': https://paste.debian.net/1095301/
19:48<rob_debian>Please, how to fix those issues, if they are really issues ?
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19:54<blast007>rob_debian: from a quick search, it could be failing hardware, possibly the SATA cable or the disk
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19:54<geek1011>That's a bad SATA cable
19:54<geek1011>or a loose one
19:54*geek1011 has had that happen before
19:55<blast007>definitely an easy/cheap first step to just replace the SATA cable
19:56<rob_debian>Hi blast007, thanks for help. Strange, If I poweroff my computer, when it is powered on again these messages don't appear again.... Yes, geek1011, it has happened before. Whenever I use to reboot Debian in some circumstances, it usually happens....
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19:57<rob_debian>A bad sata cable... I see, blast007, I'll check it
19:58<rob_debian>I'm using debian in a notebook, blast007, and I don't see any cable, probably it's internal.
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19:59<blast007>ah, with a laptop there likely isn't a cable (or if there is, it's some proprietary thing)
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20:03<rob_debian>That's what I supposed here, blast007
20:03<rob_debian>So, what's the real problem, if this message is displayed ?
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20:56<geek1011>A loose connector, probably
20:56<geek1011>Laptop disks are generally held in with screws so they line up with the SATA plug
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21:15<rant>rob_debian: how old is the laptop?
21:15<rant>rob_debian: are you getting this on ac or battery?
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21:16<rant>its not likely what geek1011 suggests as the drive is ready and there are no failures its timing out
21:17<rant>rob_debian: is id hdd or ssd?
21:18<rant>rob_debian: is it coinciding with high power draw situations? i.e. high cpu/gpu and fans?
21:19<rant>is there damage to the power cord? does it run well on batt?
21:19<rob_debian>Hi rant, thanks for attention, my dell laptop inspiron is dated nov 2014, hd sata, use ac more than battery
21:19<rob_debian>hdd
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21:20<rob_debian>no it's not coinciding with high power draw situation; I rarely use it in such conditions, really very rarely
21:21<rob_debian>Please rant, I'm using it for several hours (more than 9 hours currently, and that's the output for 'sensors' command: https://paste.debian.net/1095309/
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21:22<rob_debian>Thanks for information, geek1011, now waiting for rant reply
21:23<rob_debian>Thank you very much you two for great debian support !
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21:25<rant>the issue is a timeout on commands its most common cause is bad voltages
21:26<rant>however you could try disabling queuing of commands if its merely a disk controller issue
21:27<rant>a bad disk is typically phyisical damage and will cause errors not timeouts
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21:27<rant>same with a bad connection
21:28<rant>rob_debian: i would guess this is sda?
21:29<rob_debian>yes
21:30<rob_debian>I recently ran 'sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024/dev/sda and no bad block was reported. So, apparently this hdd is clean and fine
21:30<rant>cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
21:30<rob_debian>cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth = 32
21:30<rant>try setting it to 1
21:31<geek1011>can you post the output of sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda?
21:31<rant>this will effectively disable queueing
21:31<rant>and hopefully mitigate timeouts
21:31<rob_debian>let me try it now geek1011, ok rant, I'll do it and pass you the output
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21:31<rant>there will be no output
21:32<rant>echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
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21:32<rant>that will only be in effect while system remains on its not permanent
21:33<rob_debian>geek1011, I'll have to install smartclt, only a minute, please
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21:33<rant>but may stop the timeouts on dma reads
21:33<geek1011>,i smartmontools
21:33<judd>Package smartmontools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. Version: 6.6-1; Size: 513.1k; Installed: 1846k; Homepage: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/smartmontools
21:33<rob_debian>I couldn't run this command, geek
21:33<rant>hdsentinel is more reliable than smartctl
21:34<rant>and there is no indications it will reveal anything
21:34<rob_debian>-bash: smartctl: command not found
21:34<geek1011>rant: in what way? I'm mainly looking for transport errors, not disk failure.
21:34<geek1011>,i smartmontools
21:34<judd>Package smartmontools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. Version: 6.6-1; Size: 513.1k; Installed: 1846k; Homepage: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/smartmontools
21:34<geek1011>and you'll need sudo
21:35<rant>smart is notoriously inaccurate with various implementatio s
21:35<rob_debian>Please, rant, how do I set it to 1, instead of maintaing it to 32 ?
21:35<geek1011>echo 1 | tee ...
21:35<rob_debian>ok
21:35<geek1011>sudo tee ...
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21:37<rob_debian>rant, I used this command you've passed me 'echo 1 | tee', but when I used 'cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth' again, it has returned the same output as before. 32 in this case.
21:37<rant>its also possible the disk is sleepy but only likely on green drives or battery profiles
21:38<rant>i didnt say that i said
21:38<rant>echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
21:38<rant>tee is more proper but still need the filename
21:39<rant>can replace > with | sudo tee
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21:39<rob_debian>oh, ok rant, I forgot the important of this part of syntax, for I've used it in other cases: echo .... > .... Thank you :)
21:40<rant>the method geek1011 suggests is more proper for running as normal user
21:41<rob_debian>This command ? 'sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda'? Do I really need to use sudo, since I'm logged as 'root' here, not normal user ?
21:42<rant>no
21:43<rant>add | nc termbin.com 9999 to the end
21:43<rant>assuming it outputs to stdout not stderr
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21:44<rant>im on mobile so not as useful as usual.. :p
21:44<rant>checking would be a pita :D
21:45<rant>if it results in an empty paste and you see the output, then we know :D
21:46<geek1011>or use |& (it might be &|) to redirect both
21:46<geek1011>I'm on mobile roo
21:46<geek1011>s/roo/too/
21:46<rob_debian>sorry, rant, I couldn't understand your suggestion; add | nc termbin.com 9999 to the end of what ?
21:47<geek1011>the command
21:47<rant>rob_debian: that smart
21:47<rant>ctl cmd to paste it online
21:47<rant>im just outside my house and have my laptop but its bein a bitch and wont connect and phone will so.. :D
21:48<rob_debian>rant, you think faster than the speed of light, I can't follow you :)
21:48<rant>i suspect we all think faster than speed of light
21:49<rant>piping to netcat pastes the output
21:49<rob_debian>add | nc termbin.com 9999 to the end, assuming it outputs to stdout not stderr ?
21:49<rant>a pipe reads stdout
21:50<rant>where some commands output to stderr cause theyre annoying :D
21:50<rob_debian>I see, rant
21:50<rant>echo "HELLO WORLD" | nc terbin.com 9999
21:51<rant>for example
21:51*geek1011 thinks rant likes to rant :P
21:51<rob_debian>ok
21:51<rant>will pipe to netcat and connect to termbin.com on port 9999 and return a url of the output
21:51<blast007>they were saying the smartctl command wasn't found, so has that part been fixed yet?
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21:51<rant>blast007: :D
21:52*rant is also approaching ballmer peak
21:52<rob_debian>rant, used this command as root, still waiting here.
21:52<rob_debian>oh, blast007 always helps me here too
21:53<rant>https://xkcd.com/323/
21:53<rob_debian>Please, rant, is that common taking so much time for the output of the command e'cho "HELLO WORLD" | nc terbin.com 9999' ?
21:54<rant>that was just an example
21:54<rant>and you seemed to have typed it wrong
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21:55<rant>smartctl -x /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
21:55<rant>is what we are really after here
21:56<rant>seems we just confused you and you couldve pasted it manually by now : D
21:57<rant>i doubt smart is gonna show anything as seems like you have no disk corruption or failure just timeout on commands
21:58<geek1011>mine shows quite a bit
21:58<rob_debian>oh, no worries, rant, let me try it now here
21:58<rant>timeouts arent errors as such they dont result in anything but lag and kernel logs it when it gets tired of waiting
21:59<rob_debian>I see rant, in fact they really aren't errors
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21:59<rant>from kernels pov its an error
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21:59<rant>but smart is on the disk it has a diff perspective
22:00<geek1011>https://termbin.com/6nh1
22:00<rob_debian>I see, rant. Well, it has returned the same error message: -bash: smartctl: command not found
22:00<geek1011>Did you install smartmontools?
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22:01<rant>blast007: :D you callex it
22:01<geek1011>,i smartmontools
22:01<judd>Package smartmontools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. Version: 6.6-1; Size: 513.1k; Installed: 1846k; Homepage: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/smartmontools
22:02<rant>you spa.ming same bot cmd 3x isnt realky constructive.. heh
22:02<rant>apt install smartmontools
22:03<rob_debian>Fine rant, let me install it now, thanks for patience !
22:03*geek1011 doesn't understand how it takes so long to install a package ... dial-up internet and a cat chewing the cables?
22:03<rant>its like the drunk leading the noobs round hete :p
22:03<geek1011>s/hete/here/ ;)
22:04<rant>indeex :p
22:04<geek1011>:/
22:04<rant>idk who though onscreen kbds were a good idea
22:04<geek1011>Just wait till we go through this just to find his disk is too cheap to support SMART...
22:05<geek1011>*cough, cough, seagate
22:05<rant>i never saw a disk without smart
22:05<rant>though i do recall that period seagate was puttimg condoms on desktop dri ves
22:05<rob_debian>E: Unable to locate package smartmontool
22:06<blast007>missing the 's' at the end
22:06<rant>i used to rip em off any machine i servicex
22:06<rant>rob_debian: its plural
22:06<rob_debian>very stupid and without attention here rant, sorry :(
22:06<rant>geek1011: you seen those? the onez wearing rubbers?
22:07<rant>really dumb idea.. traps heat
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22:07<geek1011>https://termbin.com/x10m
22:08<blast007>rant: talking about the plastic covers over the circuit board?
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22:09<rob_debian>smartctl -x /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999 > https://termbin.com/1cwq, geek1011 and rant
22:09<blast007>geek1011: is that a USB drive?
22:09<rob_debian>not sure if blast007 is analyzing my case, but that's the output for the command.
22:10<rant> blast007: no they for awhile back in the day shipped drives with rubber casing the label was on the rubber it covered the whole drive cept the ports
22:10<rant>i called em drive condoms
22:10<rant>i guess they were thinkin noise cancellation or shock absorbin idk..
22:10<blast007>hmm.. not sure I've seen those
22:11<rant>made em trap heat
22:11<geek1011>blast007: A Seagate external drive. The internal one doesn't support SMART (I tried connecting it directly).
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22:11<rant>was 3.5in pata disks in the 90s by seagatr
22:12<blast007>rob_debian: Reallocated_Sector_Ct is 20, so looks like the disk is failing
22:12<blast007>so back up your data and replace the disk
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22:13<rant>https://m.ebay.ie/itm/Seagate-U10-Series-PATA-IDE-HDD-Hard-Drive-20-4GB-ST320423A-/173845058717?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1
22:13<blast007>geek1011: USB to SATA bridges often do not support SMART
22:15<rant>yeah pretty much every disk in last 30 years has smart.. if you can read it through a bridge is diff story
22:15<geek1011>My separately bought bridge supports SMART
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22:16<rant>though apparently seagate dies cripple disks intentionally
22:16<rant>does*
22:16<geek1011>blast007: are you sure? I've seen way worse on working disks.
22:16<rob_debian>Hi blast007, thanks for information. I've ran 'sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024/dev/sda' and no badblock was reported. Is it failing ?
22:17<geek1011>I don't think so
22:17<rant>watched a vid on covering 3.3v pin on external seagate disks cause they purposely made em go into reset loop if used internally
22:17<blast007>I don't think your OS will see those bad blocks as the drive has reallocated those to spare blocks
22:17<blast007>but there's only a limited amount of spare blocks
22:18<blast007>s/blocks/sectors/
22:18<geek1011>And the kernel messages showing up and the COMRESET count can be explained based on the smart data.
22:18*rant wanders off
22:19<geek1011>I think your disk should be relatively OK, but either way, you should have backups. I use borgbackup.
22:19*geek1011 will be going to bed soon
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22:20<rob_debian>Fine blast007, rant and geek1011, I'll do it as fast as possible. Have a nice rest geek1011 ! :)
22:20<rob_debian>And thank you very much you all for attention and great support ! God Bless you all !
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23:42<monica>?
23:43<monica>10 buster ,who is using?
23:43<monica>有中文用户吗?
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23:53<sqrt{not}>monica: many here using buster. do you have a question ?
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