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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-08-12

---Logopened Mon Aug 12 00:00:49 2019
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01:16<xcq>was anyone else's networking "busted" by debian 10
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01:17<jm_>no, but I prepared in advance (i.e. what's mentioned in release notes)
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01:18<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names maybe
01:22<xcq>ah, so do I just have to change the names in config files
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01:22-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #virt #debian-qemu #debian
01:23<jm_>I just renamed the udev rules file, rebuilt initrd and rebooted
01:23<annadane>hmm i thought there was something else regarding this but i'm searching and apparently not
01:25<annadane>buster will probably have interface names like FKLJGIOKH 5ITU3OF4 J5PFOC OFCJCOVK LJV04WP5OPOW45KFOPKFM, or something
01:25<annadane>s/buster/bullseye
01:26<jm_>eno1 here, en0p1s1 or something along those lines at home for me
01:28<rant>guix does crap like that.. your process list is all /run/store/563anp8u43h8giuw3ng390hfael8ybnt94319t3ncq48mq33r-foo-1.2.3 and such
01:28<xcq>it appears to have the right interface names in config files
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01:53<cpaelzer>bzed: I see soem removals that were in the way of gpsd 3.19 took place, thanks for driving this forward
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04:49<ratrace_>Hello
04:49<ratrace_>i upgraded from stretch to buster and i'm having problem when the system boots. I can't see a GUI.
04:49<ratrace_>i made a post here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=143041
04:50<ratrace_>any help would be appreciated
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04:57<ratrace_>The problem that i have now, is that i can login to the system, type startx and have a GUI but the icons of xfce aren't there and some fuctions like xfce-screenshooter. Is it safe in a system that doesn't work correctly like mine, to try to update throug apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade
04:58<ratrace_>?
05:00<swenray>Hi there all and @BCMM ! so I managed to install debian 10, I386. Hurray !But as always there's a little bit I'd like to change
05:00<BCMM>hi
05:01<swenray>I'd want to have lighter desktop environnement, I heard blackbox window manager was light, and it seems cool to me, I wanted to change it, on the web page it's advised to use Synaptic. The thing is : synaptic won't run on administrative version because Wayland is instaled.
05:02<BCMM>swenray: i've forgotten what distro you were using before - are you familiar with apt/apt-get?
05:03<BCMM>you can install and remove packages on the command line regardless of what frontend you're running
05:03<swenray>So it's asking me to uninstal wayland in order to make changes Why, is it asking me this ? And moreover : wayland seems to already be a windows manager, and I don't won't to uninstall it, and lose some kind of graphic user interface...I'd be lost
05:03<BCMM>what's asking you to uninstall "wayland"?
05:03<swenray>I was using bunsen lab, Yeah I work around a bit with apt-'s
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05:04<BCMM>by the way, there's no debian package called "wayland" - it's a protocol rather than a specific program, and there are several packages that implement wayland compositors. so i'm not sure what package you're being asked to uninstall, or what's asking you to uninstall it
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05:06<swenray>Okay, then I should be able to look for the lightest desktop env. and later on change the windows manager trhough apt-get (apt-get install "desktopenvironnementname" the ? )
05:06<swenray> Synaptic is asking me this, strange right ? I mean, I looked, and it's not another package manager, so I'm a bit lost ^^
05:07<BCMM>which desktop environment are you using currently, by the way? gnome?
05:08<BCMM>you don't usually have to uninstall your current desktop environment to install a new one
05:08<swenray>Hummmm, Yeah I think, He's like, almost no shortcuts on the desktop...Wait where can I get this info ?
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05:08<BCMM>you can install multiple DEs and just choose which one you want to use at the login screen
05:09<swenray>Yeah that's the one :GNOME 3.30.2
05:09<BCMM>swenray: did you see a screen like this during the installer? what did you select? https://i.stack.imgur.com/tJQ3w.png
05:09<BCMM>ah, ok
05:11<swenray>Yes indeed, but I'm looking at it again, I've got the feeling I chose KDE... But anyways, If I can get another one instead of it.
05:12<swenray>@BCMM I looked a bit on internet, I can't get much info on the command for DE and Window manager , Do you happen to have a link with how to's ?
05:12<BCMM>how tos for what, exactly?
05:12<BCMM>did you say you wanted to install blackbox?
05:13<swenray>like commands written to change download and change the desktop environnement / window manager. Hum, yes blackbox seemed nice, I mean light and not asking to muych resources. Why ?
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05:14<swenray>I mean the name looks nice at least :D bad choice ? Is it like, no GUI at all ? :S
05:15<BCMM>i'm sorry, i'm having more and more trouble understanding what's going on...
05:15<BCMM>what does "change download" mean?
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05:16<swenray>SHIT, my bad . I meant, a site where I could see the commands for downloading, and then changing my Desktop Environnement and Windo Manager.
05:17<BCMM>desktop environments and window managers are just packages
05:17<BCMM>it's better to understand what you're doing than to find commands to copy&paste
05:18<BCMM>i.e. how to search for debian packages and how to install them
05:18<BCMM>but here's a list of some of the DEs and WMs in Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment
05:18<BCMM>click on any of the links for install instructions
05:18<swenray>Ok, so I'll just have to find the ones i'm interested in, and then just do "apt-get install "whateverpackage"
05:19<ratrace_>Hello, i upgraded from stretch (xfce) to buster (xfce) and i'm having problem when the system boots. I can't see a GUI. I made a post here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=143041 . The problem that i have now, is that i can login to the system from the command line, type startx and have a GUI but the icons of xfce aren't there and some fuctions like xfce-screenshooter.
05:19<BCMM>yes
05:19<ratrace_>Is it safe in a system that doesn't work correctly like mine, to try to update throug apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade? Can i try to upgrade my system again?
05:20<BCMM>in what way does your system not "work correctly" at the moment?
05:20<swenray>Yeah, cool ! That's indeed a point I couldn't get my head around : where to find these little packages to download. Sweet. I'll keep you posted.
05:21<BCMM>swenray: there's https://packages.debian.org, or `apt search`
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05:21<ratrace_>when i push the button for my pc to start i can see a black screen with a cursor that is bliping instead of a login screen. I have to ctrl+alt+1 to login to the system.
05:22<ratrace_>and after that the icons and other functions of xfce don't work correctly. I don't have icons to be exact.
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05:55<EmleyMoor>I just tried my new machine with kodi on my AV setup, but as soon as graphical mode starts, the display looks rather like an old TV with the line hold badly out of adjustment. What do I need to do to fix it?
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06:02<EmleyMoor>Is there something I should prod to tell the system to probe the display capabilities?
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08:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that display problem I mentioned... the mouse pointer is not affected, only the actual desktop/app display
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08:37<kalystote>hello oalvarez ;)
08:37<oalvarez>hi kalystote
08:37<kalystote>how are you
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08:39<kalystote>I come here because I use Debian Buster and I want to know your opinion about it
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08:43<grove>kalystote: What do you expect to hear?
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08:45<hope>hey there
08:45<hope>i wanna know what this chat net does.. and how to use it...
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08:46<kalystote>i like to use gnome wayland+firefox for example et I like this
08:47<kalystote>I would like to create a site and I use Drupal. what do you think about this?
08:48<kalystote>about drupal?
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08:52<EmleyMoor>I recently did a new install of Debian buster on a relatively-old machine intending to use it to run kodi and send its output via my AV system. It mostly works, but, when installed in the AV setup, as soon as the graphical mode starts, the mouse pointer is correct but the desktop and app output appears like the result you get on an old TV set if the horizontal hold is way out. Why would that be, and how
08:52<EmleyMoor>do I correct it?
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08:56<thsnr>EmleyMoor: have you checked that this is not cropping done by your TV? you can use the aspect ratio button on your remote to cycle through different modes
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08:57<thsnr>a lot of TVs attempt to autodetect letter-/pillarboxing and automatically compensate
08:57<EmleyMoor>thsnr, cropping would crop. This is "tearing up"
08:57<thsnr>ok, i misunderstood the issue then
08:59<thsnr>perhaps a picture would help
09:00<EmleyMoor>I will try to take one... no matter what the aspect setting, it's still the same garbage but with a perfect mouse pointer
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09:01<thsnr>that could be because the cursor is rendered in hardware
09:02<EmleyMoor>.... which points to a software issue with the rest
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09:05<EmleyMoor>https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na
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09:13<EmleyMoor>thsnr: What, if anything, do you make of the picture?
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09:15<EmleyMoor>How can I possibly get, from one machine. this garbage on the screen but with an undistorted mouse pointer?
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09:21<EmleyMoor>Would a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg help? (I'm on buster)
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09:25<EmleyMoor> No, no help at all
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09:44<EmleyMoor>To me it's as though the X server itself is writing all the display information out at the wrong time... and then a mouse pointer is being added "correctly"
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09:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a channel for more xorg-related assistance or is this the right place?
09:48<bremner>this is pretty much it
09:48<bremner>there is the debian-user mailing list as well
09:49<EmleyMoor>Any suggestions as to what I can do? This is a most peculiar problem...
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09:50<salva>hi
09:50<salva>thanks
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09:53<salva>i don't understand how can i use this
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09:57<EmleyMoor>salva: "this" being what exactly?
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09:58<salva>this app
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09:59<EmleyMoor>"this app" meaning the IRC client you are running, no doubt. Well, you've connected to OFTC, found this channel and both sent and received messages...
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10:00<EmleyMoor>http://www.irchelp.org/ if you want to know more about IRC itself...
10:00<salva>thanks
10:00<EmleyMoor>If you are seeking help with Debian, just explain your problem here and someone may help if they can
10:04<EmleyMoor>I may well take this matter to the mailing list, but I will just reiterate it once more: I recently did a new install of Debian buster on a relatively-old machine intending to use it to run kodi and send its output via my AV system. It mostly works, but, when installed in the AV setup, as soon as the graphical mode starts, the mouse pointer is correct but the desktop and app output appears like the resul
10:04<EmleyMoor>t you get on an old TV set if the horizontal hold is way out. This is what I get: https://imgur.com/DsQIQ6D. Why would that be, and how do I correct it?
10:05<bremner>EmleyMoor: do you have ssh or virtual console access? people are going to want to see Xorg.*.log
10:07<EmleyMoor>bremner, I have virtual console access, however I have no Xorg.*.log
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10:08<bremner>ah, so maybe that's wayland losing it's shit
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10:09<swenray>@BCMM Hi there, I'm back ! With a full new environement, more lighter. I can really feel the difference. Could I ask you a bit about environnement and windows manager difference ?
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10:12<spooked>yo
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10:14<meeh>I use mate desktop and like it
10:14<helpmedebian>Hello guys! Help me. Bermerk is there ?
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10:14<swenray>I shoot : I installed Fluxbox Windows Manager and also LXDE Desktop environnement. So I should have only my latest DE (gnome) and the new one proposed in my session login . But instead I have more than two D.E. proposed and also the FluxBox Windows Manager proposed. It's a bit confusing for me. Should it be like that ?
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10:14<meeh>you could always uninstall the package
10:14<helpmedebian> Help with installing Debian problems
10:15<meeh>Linux, unlike windows lets you bolt on everything to anything
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10:15<meeh>Biggest up and downside to it
10:15<helpmedebian> Where can I upload a video of my problem?
10:15<meeh>Youtube
10:16<EmleyMoor>Upload a private video to Youtube and tell us the link... failing that, try to explain your problem as fully as you can.
10:16<lucy_>Hey guys, I cannot install openjdk-8-jdk. This is the error "E. Unable tp locate package ..."
10:17<helpmedebian>https://file.io/C3TXpw
10:17<helpmedebian>say what is my problem ?
10:17<helpmedebian> How can I solve this problem?
10:17<swenray>@meeh Well the thing is : I can choose to use fluxbox and kinda like it. Where I'm confused is I can use fluxbox as a desktop environnement...I mean, it's graphical.
10:18<EmleyMoor>helpmedebian: There's nothing there
10:18<meeh>bad URL
10:18<rant>swenray: You would need to add things to it to call it a Desktop Environment
10:18<swenray>I'm confused because some of the software I have when using LXDE aren't there when opening my session with Fluxbox
10:18<helpmedebian>sry im new load
10:19<lucy_>swenray: have u tried to use a terminal to launch the software?
10:19<swenray>@rant, Yeah tried using synaptic, and reacts strangly
10:19<rant>swenray: a DE consists typically of a session manager, a window manager, a desktop manager, a panel, a file manager, a terminal, and other associated softwares.. flux/black/openbox are just window managers
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10:19<helpmedebian>https://file.io/Y7lrzY
10:19<swenray>@Lucy_ no I didn't indeed maybe more chance that way
10:19<helpmedebian> how can i solve my problem
10:20<rant>swenray: please try to break the habit of doing that, this is not a social media site, @ is a user mode indicator in IRC it is not a "tag" it does not cause people to be highlighted
10:20<EmleyMoor>helpmedebian, there's *NOTHING* there
10:20<helpmedebian>bad url ?
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10:21<EmleyMoor>Both respond 404
10:21<helpmedebian>omg
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10:21<helpmedebian>wait
10:21<lucy_>swenray: well that should solve it. I dont know anything about fluxbox wm, but if you use dmenu try to use dmenu-desktop
10:21<swenray>rant roger that
10:21<rant>swenray: see, that caused my client to highlight
10:21<rant>when you put @ in front of it, it doesn't
10:22<rant>damn kids and their social media :P
10:22<lucy_>swenray: This will work with the .desktop files, which probably link to the programms
10:22<lucy_>rant: what client do you use?
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10:22<swenray>rant ah d'accord XD
10:22<swenray>lucy_ what is dmenu ?
10:22<helpmedebian>guys Tell someone the name of the sites where you can upload a video of my problem
10:23<EmleyMoor>helpmedebian, youtube.com?
10:23<lucy_>swenray: dmenu is a programm launcher, which is commonly used in Window Managers
10:23<rant>I use irssi and I don't apply special highlights for obvious reasons.. I dont need it triggering on vagrant elegrant vibrant, and every damn thing else
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10:23<helpmedebian>im bo used youtube :(
10:23<rant>clients default highlight is the nickname at the beginning of the line followed by a space or punctuation character
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10:24<EmleyMoor>imgur.com?
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10:25<lucy_>swenray: well I was wrong about fluxbox
10:25<rant>besides it just in general pisses me off people keep doing that, cause @ and # already meant something.. long before twitter and facebook, and they've gone and re-defined it to this tag/hashtag nonsense
10:25<swenray>lucy_ Okay, wait a sec. Is it too help me install programms or to attach a Desktop Environnement to my WM ?
10:26<lucy_>swenray: just type fluxbox-generate_menu in a console or start them via console or hotkeys
10:26<lucy_>swenray: dont worry about dmenu
10:27<helpmedebian>https://gofile.io/?c=mbVIDh
10:27<swenray>Can't do that right now, I have to be running on the LXDE session in order to have access to my IRC softwares and all.
10:27<helpmedebian> How to solve my given problem in the video?
10:27<helpmedebian>https://gofile.io/?c=mbVIDh
10:28<swenray>Okay then Lucy_ :)
10:28<lucy_>swenray: you still can run the command fluxbox-generate_menu
10:28<helpmedebian> At the end of the video you will see this problem.
10:29<EmleyMoor>Please give us time to watch
10:29<helpmedebian>infinite configure the network im installed debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
10:29<swenray>lucy_ let me get back to you
10:29<lucy_>helpmedebian: have u tried to use the non graphical installe?
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10:30<helpmedebian>yes
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10:30<helpmedebian>only infinite configure the network :(
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10:31<helpmedebian>my dhcp only 4 my provided no used v6 dhcp :( im dont know why im no can installed debian :(
10:32<EmleyMoor>helpmedebian, No v6 isn't a show stopper
10:32<lucy_> helpmedebian: maybe use the netinstall iso
10:32<helpmedebian> Then I do not know what to do! Maybe experts will say what is my problem
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10:33<lucy_> helpmedebian: since you have internet I see no point in using the nonfree gnome live install
10:33<lucy_> helpmedebian: But I am not a professional
10:33<EmleyMoor>Well *let* them. I've not seen your problem before and repeatedly saying so isn't going to help. Try some other installers, perhaps
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10:34<lucy_>helpmedebian: have u verified your iso?
10:34<helpmedebian>debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree
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10:35<helpmedebian> with hash amounts all right
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10:35<lucy_>Did you use windows to write the iso?
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10:36<helpmedebian>yeah
10:36<helpmedebian>im iso ready in usb flash
10:36<helpmedebian>rufus
10:36<helpmedebian>is good no problem
10:36<lucy_>EmleyMoor: Is it possible to run the install with a verbose flag and log it?
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10:37<EmleyMoor>lucy_: I have no idea but I would have thought that might be possible
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10:37<lucy_>helpmedebian: well try the netinstall iso
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10:38<helpmedebian>you can send me url on netinstall?
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10:39<lucy_>helpmedebian: " If you wish or need to add any boot parameters for either the installer or the kernel, press Tab (BIOS boot), or e then down arrow three times then end (UEFI boot). This will bring the boot command for the selected menu entry and allow you to edit it to suit your needs. Note that the keyboard layout at this point is still QWERTY. The help screens (see below) list some common possible
10:39<lucy_>options. Press Enter (BIOS boot) or F10 (UEFI boot) to boot the installer with your options; pressing Esc will return you to the boot menu and undo any changes you made.
10:39<lucy_>Choosing the “Help” entry will result in the first help screen being displayed which gives an overview of all available help screens. To return to the boot menu after the help screens have been displayed, type 'menu' at the boot prompt and press Enter. All help screens have a boot prompt at which the boot command can be typed:
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10:40<lucy_>swenray: this is the netinstall amd64 free iso https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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10:41<helpmedebian> my laptop does not support UEFI
10:42<lucy_>helpmedebian: well it does support bios tho
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10:51<helpmedebian> Can people install remotely?
10:52<lucy_>helpmedebian: what do you mean?
10:52<rant>helpmedebian: yes, the installer supports remote installs but you need to still be present to boot the installer and choose remote install
10:53<helpmedebian> I mean help me remotely install debian :0
10:53<rant>helpmedebian: it will then tell you the address and password for ssh to continue the install remotely
10:53<lucy_>why would you need to install remotely?
10:53<rant>helpmedebian: you'd need to choose advanced install to see the option in the menu, otherwise it'll proceed to install normally and not ask
10:54<rant>helpmedebian: expert install I think its called in the boot menu
10:54<helpmedebian> I can’t install myself (
10:54<rant>one could train a monkey to install debian
10:54<helpmedebian>im monkey :)
10:54<rant>its WIDHE compliant.. there is only maybe one step you need to do something other than press enter
10:54<helpmedebian>my old 1992
10:54<helpmedebian>im monkey :D
10:54<EmleyMoor>It always used to be a chicken!
10:55<lucy_>helpmedebian: but why cant you install it yourself?
10:55<lucy_>EmleyMoor: welcome to hell, everything sucks
10:56<helpmedebian> I showed you my installation problem
10:56<EmleyMoor>lucy_: ... except the vacuum cleaners!
10:56<lucy_>EmleyMoor: I literally hate and adore you right now wtf
10:57<helpmedebian> + I never installed debian
10:57<lucy_>helpmedebian: well the installer chrashes. A shh wont help
10:57<helpmedebian> I need someone who can help me please
10:57<helpmedebian> I'm tired my head hurts from installing
10:58<lucy_>>inb4 install ubuntu
10:58<lucy_>helpmedebian: do it tomorrow then
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10:59<lucy_>helpmedebian: maybe start with something more easy or go full blazing and install arch via a tutorial
11:00<lucy_>thats actually what I did
11:00<lucy_>I dont think it was the right thing xD
11:00<helpmedebian> I consider the best shells Ubuntu and Debian only top 1 2 OS in WORLD.
11:01<lucy_>helpmedebian: what?
11:02<helpmedebian> This is my statistics of the best system shells.
11:02<helpmedebian>top 1 ubuntu and debian only
11:02<helpmedebian> no longer better than they have not seen
11:02<lucy_>helpmedebian: you know what a shell is right? Debian isnt that beginner friendly. I would reccomend you to either install Ubuntu or maybe Kde neon for Ubuntu with a Windows feel
11:02<rant>wtf are you talking about?!
11:03<jelly>!ask
11:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:03<helpmedebian>Windows SHIT :)
11:03<helpmedebian>GNOME BEST AND XFCE + KDE
11:03<bremner>lucy_: I don't think this is really the right channel for Ubuntu advocacy.
11:04<helpmedebian>its good <3333 only love
11:04<jelly>helpmedebian: best keep your comments in here strict to your technical issue, please
11:04<lucy_>bremner: it isnt, but he seems to have alot of problems and I think a more beginner friendly distro would be the right thing for him
11:05<jelly>enthusiasm is appreciated, but lines that are not related to a tech support are distracting
11:06<rant>It would appear after a review of the play-by-blay that helpmedebian is using the debian nonfree LIVE iso, and is trying to install but it hangs on a blank screenat the configuring the network step
11:06<helpmedebian> And what do you think is the best graphical shell? so as not to require a lot of processor load?
11:06<helpmedebian>rankt
11:07<helpmedebian>rant im used debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
11:07<helpmedebian>yeah you right network lag dhcpv6
11:07<helpmedebian>my provided no used v6 only v4
11:07<lucy_>rant: he said so. He had also gnome with it
11:07<lucy_>helpmedebian: that shouldnt matter anyways
11:07<rant>the gnome part is irrelevant to the issue
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11:08<rant>gnome isn't running if you boot it in install mode not live mode
11:08<lucy_>rant: yes, but I just wanted to clarify it
11:08<lucy_>helpmedebian: did you try the netinstall iso?
11:09<rant>if it were me, and an installer step froce showing nothing but the title .. I'd attempt to switch to a different virtual console to see if the system was totally locked up, and to read the logs
11:09<helpmedebian>no
11:09<jelly>helpmedebian: does your system only have a wired ethernet connection, or does it have wifi as well? Which brand and model is it?
11:10<helpmedebian> I have a wired and wi-fi connection
11:10<lucy_>this is weird
11:10<lucy_>shouldnt the installer ask for device selection?
11:11<rant>yes, it should if it is able to see both devices..
11:11<rant>if there is no driver or firmware for one device, then it may not have an iface name, and thus will only see one
11:12<lucy_>rant: His device then dosent get detected at all
11:12<rant>the way I see it, this is all irrelevant.. if he has a full live ISO he can install without configuring the network
11:12<lucy_>rant: it will ask for firmware tho, but it seems that the card/usb stick dosent get detected
11:12<rant>I don't recommend using the live iso to install.. but thats just me
11:13<rant>and if its just stopping like that, I'd switch to the consoles running the logs and see what they say
11:13<lucy_>Thats props the best Idea
11:13<rant>for all we know the media is corrupt and wasnt verified after write
11:14<helpmedebian>guys
11:14<helpmedebian>one question
11:14<jelly>helpmedebian: can you connect using the wire and try installing again?
11:14<jelly>rant: or rufus messed it up somewhow
11:14<rant>@.@
11:14<helpmedebian> I tried with wire and without wire this did not solve my problem
11:14<rant>rufus? ugh..
11:14<lucy_>jelly: its using the wired connection tho. enp4s0
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11:15<lucy_>rant: well thats just windows. I got numerous corrupted installation media for some obscure reason
11:16<helpmedebian> I understood you correctly that I can install the system without network settings?
11:16<lucy_>Wait, why dafqk does the live install ask for network if its a 'full' install media?
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11:16<helpmedebian> That is, you can install systems without the Internet and then configure it?
11:16<lucy_>helpmedebian: yes, afaik
11:17<lucy_>helpmedebian: what are you using for wifi?
11:17<rant>the live media last I used it also results in an install twice the normal size as it has all kinds of language support packs and tools
11:17<helpmedebian>dchpv4
11:17<rant>I really don't recommend using them
11:18<helpmedebian> which advise you to download the distribution?
11:18<lucy_>helpmedebian: netinstall stable amd64
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11:19<lucy_>helpmedebian: also dchpv4 is not a network device
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11:19<helpmedebian>lucy can you send here specifically a link to this distribution?
11:19<lucy_>helpmedebian: I mean something like "I am using a wifi card" or "I am using a wifi USB"
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11:19<lucy_>helpmedebian: already did
11:20<lucy_>helpmedebian: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
11:20<rant>helpmedebian: are you intending to install via wifi/
11:20<helpmedebian>thanks <33333333333333
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11:21<helpmedebian> I think it's better through the wire
11:21<helpmedebian> via wifi may crash
11:22<rant>ok, well then that should be fine however you do NOT want to use rufus
11:23<rant>if you must use Windows, you should follow the release notes and use the tool it specifies
11:23<rant>https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/latest/download
11:23<rant>I believe is what the release notes recommends
11:23<lucy_>helpmedebian: also a shell is not gnome-shell. A shell is a way for a human to easly interact with binary instructions, gnome-shell is the graphic shell for gnome, which does some different stuff
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11:24<lucy_>correct me if I am wrong tho
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11:26<helpmedebian>you all best thanks guys <333
11:27<lucy_>helpmedebian: I assume it worked?
11:27<helpmedebian> Let's hope so
11:28<helpmedebian> But tell me please, And if as a newbie, what do you advise to put? It seems like Ubuntu?
11:31<lucy_>helpmedebian: No, because you wont learn to work with Linux as everything is premade
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11:32<helpmedebian> Well ubuntu seems to be for beginners?
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11:34<helpmedebian> I’m interested in the opinions of people here, say a list of the three best systems in your opinion ?
11:35<lucy_>#debian-offtopic
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11:37<lucy_>there you can ask such questions
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11:37<swenray>lucy_ I think you meant the link for helpmdebian :)
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11:38<helpmedebian> I would like to know the opinions of the people who are here
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11:38<helpmedebian>=)
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11:41<helpmedebian>lucy
11:41<helpmedebian>here ?
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11:42<rant>this is a debian support channel we answer support questions regarding debian stable, we do not render opinions or have discussions outside that scope
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11:43<helpmedebian> Understood sorry
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11:44<helpmedebian> It turns out here only questions about debian ?
11:44<rant>I could tell you why I'm a Debian user and why I don't recommend anything but Debian.. its because I found Debian.org about 17 years ago, read their Why Debian? and Social Contract and I was blown away, and I agreed with it completely
11:44<helpmedebian> other questions can not be asked?
11:45<helpmedebian>xexe rant :)
11:45<rant>https://www.debian.org/social_contract https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian I recommend my path to anyone.. if you read those and you enjoy and agree with what they have to say.. then Debian is probably for you
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11:45<helpmedebian>rant Debian recommend even company VALVE STEAM
11:46<rant>that lacks any grammar to indicate if its even a statement or a question
11:46<rant>or what it even means
11:48<helpmedebian> I say that this system Debian world famous company recommends VALVE game founder Counter-Strike :)
11:49<helpmedebian> Gabe Logan Newell
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11:51<helpmedebian>Guys and the most important question! Advise which USB flash drive to buy? For good recording speed?
11:51<rant>yeah, I'm still unable to make any sense of how the subjects of this .. whatever it is.. unidentifyable speech.. relates Debian, Valve, Counter-Strike, and Gabe Logan Newell
11:51<rant>helpmedebian: I've never had any issues with any flashdrives.. but I typically buy PNY or SanDisk.. whatever is cheap..
11:52<rant>SD cards are a whole different story, but flash drives are typically fairly similar in my experience
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11:52<helpmedebian> this does not apply to him, I just watched an interview with him where he said that he uses the system debian :0
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11:53<helpmedebian>hmmm rant thanks for saying usb flash)
11:53<rant>ah, well Debian.org also has a section of their website, "Who uses Debian" for that kind of thing.. I believe its linked from the documents I linked already
11:53<helpmedebian> my last one worked very slowly I decided to buy a new one and not yet
11:53<rant>https://www.debian.org/users/
11:54<rant>helpmedebian: the ones I been using lately are SanDisk Cruzer Blade 32GB.. but I also have used PNY 32 and 128 GB ones in the past..
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11:55<helpmedebian>SanDisk Cruzer Blade < Is this the full name of the model?
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11:56<helpmedebian>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31ziUn0GLXL._SX425_.jpg that's her?
11:59<helpmedebian>rant is this your flash drive? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31ziUn0GLXL._SX425_.jpg
11:59<rant>yes, the most recent ones I bought a dozen or so of are those ones
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12:02<helpmedebian> Thank you, I will definitely buy it ^__^
12:02<helpmedebian> good in performance
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12:03<rant>I can show you an example of the performance .. I have one attached to usb3 right now
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12:03<invoker>hello
12:04<helpmedebian>hmmm im I will be happy to see
12:04<helpmedebian>voker voker voker mid is push
12:04<helpmedebian>dont feed go security mid :)
12:04<invoker>haha sorry it's not a reference to dota
12:05<invoker>I feel bad misleading dota fans :<
12:05<invoker>anyways I updated and upgraded about an hour ago on testing and now I can't get x to start
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12:06<invoker>I'm running a gtx 970, any ideas what changes could have caused this?
12:06<helpmedebian><rant> I can show you an example of the performance .. I have one attached to usb3 right now < RANT I want to see please
12:08<rant>helpmedebian: yes well you have to wait for me to actually do something significant on it and get the stats :P
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12:09<helpmedebian>kkk im bee wait you ;P Thanks <3
12:10<rant>I am trying reads/writes using dd of 1GB with different settings
12:10<helpmedebian>ohh
12:10<rant>changing the data and byte size to see if its any difference
12:11<rant>write of /dev/urandom and /dev/zero with 1M byte size both yeilded about same.. 5.2 and 5.1MB/s respectively.. trying again with 4K byte size just to see
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12:12<invoker>at the very least is someone here familiar with any resources that could help me find a solution to my recent graphics problem?
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12:12<helpmedebian>its fine
12:12<helpmedebian>rant you have a kind soul, thank you for your clean and warm heart, and for helping me
12:13<invoker>I didn't change anything aside from my lightdm config before rebooting, when my graphics initially failed on boot
12:14<rant>4K bs on /dev/zero still wrote at 5.2MB/s over USB3.. trying a 4K read of 256000 (1GB) now to /dev/null
12:14<rant>20.7MB read
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12:15<rant>so looks like its about 5.2MB/s write 20.7MB/s read
12:16<helpmedebian>best good
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12:16<helpmedebian>its fine flash usb drive
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12:16*rant checks to see what this other drive is
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12:17<aloo_shu>invoker: a) testing is #debian-next afaik and b) your description isn't very precise
12:18<invoker>aloo_shu that's fair
12:18<helpmedebian>rant thank you again for so many pleasant help to the Russian bear :)))
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12:18<helpmedebian>:P
12:18<rant>seems this is one of the PNY ones.. I'd removed it from its casing and just electrical taped it.. heh
12:18<rant>was trying to stash it places and the case was bulky
12:20<helpmedebian>bulky - in Russian it is translated as a bun :P
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12:20<manan>Hello, I am new to open source. Infact, I am new to this world of programming. I only know basics of C and Python. I want to start contributing to community. How can I contibute and what skills should I learn so that I can make so good contibutions. Thanks In advance
12:21<rant>helpmedebian: The PNY USB 2.0 FD 32GB did a 4K 256000 (1GB) read at 25.5MB/s and a write at 10.6MB/s
12:21<rant>helpmedebian: so its a bit slower at reading but twice as fast at writing it would seem
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12:23<rant>those are the main two types of drives I have.. *shrug* both are good enough for my usage
12:23<rant>I'd never even noticed the difference in speed
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12:24<rant>helpmedebian: https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Attache-Flash-Drive-P-FD32GATT03-GE/dp/B003YCOMG4 is the PNY one fwiw
12:25<rant>if you're really concerned.. heh.. that one appears to write twice as fast as the SanDisk Cruzer Blade 32GB
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13:09<lolcat--007>hi i trying to convert a video to mp4 and keep the same quality with ffmpeg but i down know what parameters should i use cause i keep getting error
13:09<lolcat--007>anyhelp
13:09<lolcat--007>??
13:11<rob_debian>Hi all, I used 'dmesg' in had this messages, lots of them flagged in red as they are described in description: https://paste.debian.net/1095492/
13:12<rob_debian>I was advised that it could suggest my hdd is failing. Please, according to these new messages, what's really happening to my System ? My laptop uses debian buster 10 - btrfs
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13:20<GyrosGeier>lolcat--007, you want to change the container but not reencode the video?
13:20<GyrosGeier>lolcat--007, search ffmpeg(1) for "streamcopy"
13:21<GyrosGeier>basically, you want to set the codec for audio and video to "copy"
13:22<GyrosGeier>this only works correctly when the fps values are sensibly set, because muxing uses these to decide the ratio between video and audio frames emitted
13:22<lolcat--007>GyrosGeier: i just want to convert a .mkv to mp4 and keep the same quality and the same resolution
13:23<GyrosGeier>mmh
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13:23<GyrosGeier>then you need -codec copy, and if the mkv has multiple video or audio streams, you need to select which ones to encode
13:23<GyrosGeier>AFAIK mp4 cannot have multiple video streams
13:24<GyrosGeier>multiple audio, I'm unsure
13:24<don>hi all, buster clean minimal install, over wifi (no ethernet) tried editing the network interfaces file (as per wiki) without luck, reinstalled and I am trying wpa_supplicant (wpi_cli) but cannot connect to the interface, have tried a usb to ethernet port but it is not recognised. any ideas what t try next? cheers
13:24<don>*to
13:24<bremner>don: the easy way is probably to run NetworkManager
13:25<don>bremner, it is not insttalled
13:26<don>installed*
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13:29<GyrosGeier>don, does the interface appear?
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13:30<don>yes it shows up as wlp1s0
13:30<don>with ip a
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13:32<GyrosGeier>you have two options of using wpa_supplicant: either you put wpa-ssid and wpa-psk into /etc/network/interfaces (if you only use a single network), or you use wpa-conf
13:32<GyrosGeier>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
13:33<don>thanks GyrosGeier those are the 2 pages I have up as, will keep fighting with it :)
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13:34<GyrosGeier>the typical setup is to create a wpa_supplicant.conf file with "update_config=1", reference that from /etc/network/interfaces via wpa-conf, bring up the network with ifup, put that in the background and use wpa_cli to configure the ssid and psk
13:34<lolcat--007>GyrosGeier: ffmpeg -i -codec copy do the trick
13:34<lolcat--007>thank you
13:34<GyrosGeier>np
13:36<don>GyrosGeier, thats what I am trying, it wont recognise any networks with scan in wpa_cli, will try it again for the *.* time :0
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13:41<don>GyrosGeier, think I found the problem, 1p a,wpa_supplicant, recognise the interface but ifup does not
13:41<don>ip* sorry stretching to this keyboard
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13:58<don>GyrosGeier, it needed 'ip link "interface" up' to bring the interface up fingers crossed for the connection :)
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14:02<GyrosGeier>hm
14:02<GyrosGeier>normally wpa_supplicant does that when it's started
14:03<GyrosGeier>I can't check right now, my laptop isn't here
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14:17<don>GyrosGeier, strange wpa_cli is seeing the network and connecting (even showing the ap mac address)but ip a does not show an ip and network is unreachable on a ping, will leave it till tomorrow and have a think, tanks for the help everyone :)
14:17<don>thanks even lol
14:22<jhutchins_wk>don: dhclient
14:22<jhutchins_wk>You haven't told it ti acquire an address.
14:22<jhutchins_wk>s/ti/to/
14:24<don>thanks jhutchins_wk will give it a go
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14:35<rob_debian>Hi all, I'm facing a strange situation here; some minutes ago I had the following error messages through 'dmesg' command, lots of them flagged in red: https://paste.debian.net/1095492/
14:37<rob_debian>After diagnostics exam, I realized hdd is not damaged, with badblock and failing - at least according this Dell exam; please, what exactly has happened to my System ? Using debian buster here - btrfs
14:37<sqrt{not}>rob_debian: I hope you have already followed the previous advice, and backed up this failing disk ?
14:38<sqrt{not}>rob_debian: back it up NOW if you have not.
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14:39<sarnold>rob_debian: that sure looks like a dying hard drive to me, though it could also be damaged cables, dying sata controller, dying or too weak power supply, etc. I'd try putting this drive in a different machine and see if you can make a backup of anything on it that's not already backed up elsewhere
14:39<rob_debian>Hi sqrt{not}, oh I haven't back it up for it's not need, all data here aren't so relevant, if I lose them, no worries
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14:40<rob_debian>Hi sarnold, thanks for answering too :) I'll proceed like that, for I'm really confusing with this situation
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14:41<rob_debian>I really don't understand why these messagens don't appear continuously, but only one time or another :(
14:42<rob_debian>if there is a concrete hardware damaged, that could be detected by 'dmesg' in debian
14:42<dboles>could depend on which sectors are being accessed, or alternatively just be totally random
14:42<dboles>a lot of hardware rarely fails in a graceful, predictable manner
14:43<sney>sure looks like a bad ssd to me
14:43<rob_debian>I see, you mean, it doesn't happen with predictable manner, not always
14:44<rob_debian>Hi sney, in this case, it's about a hdd sata
14:44<rob_debian>and 'sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024 /dev/sda' returns 0 badblocks found
14:45<rob_debian>so, perhaps this analysis is not conclusive through it
14:45<sney>badblocks are not related to ncq errors
14:45<rob_debian>ncq ?
14:45<sarnold>native command queueing
14:45<sarnold>it's how the controllers can issue multiple commands to the drive and the drive will execute them in whatever order it thinks best
14:45<sney>ctrl+f for ncq in your paste, it's everywhere
14:46<rob_debian>well, probably not.
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14:46<rob_debian>I didn't know about it, sney, thanks for advice
14:46<sney>if you have a hardware diagnostic from the company that made your hard drive, it might show some more problems, but either way that thing is definitely dying
14:47<lucy_>oh what happend?
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14:47<rob_debian>my hdd is dying lucy_
14:47<rob_debian>I see sney, bad news for me.
14:48<lucy_>rob_debian: How many hours of runtime?
14:48<rob_debian>But, thanks anyway for attention, information and great support given, sqrt{not}, sarnold, dboles and sney !
14:49<rob_debian>lucy_, honestly I don't know how to pass you this information
14:49<sney>hope it's new enough and you can RMA it for a free one
14:49<lucy_>Yeah
14:49<lucy_>Good luck rob_debian <3
14:49<sney>smartctl will give you the hours, but there's really no point now
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14:50<rob_debian>in the past, when I used windows, I had a program that passed me this kind of information (hd tune pro), but in Debian I just used badblocks commands to check about it
14:50<rob_debian>Thank you very much lucy_ :)
14:52<rob_debian>ok sney, I'll apply this task here to check it more deeply and complete (smartctl). Anyway, it seems this hdd is dying, so, installing debian again in other new one.
14:52<rob_debian>Thank you sney for hint :)
14:52<lucy_>How do I use the badblocks programm? Cuz I am running an old Thiccpad with the standart hdd
14:53<rob_debian>I use 'sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024 /dev/sda'
14:53<rob_debian>Not sure if it's your doubt, lucy_
14:53<annadane>i'm amazed my hard drive hasn't died yet, it's been through so much abuse
14:53<lucy_>rob_debian: thank you
14:54<rob_debian>Hi annadane :), hum, this hard drive is from 2007...
14:54<rob_debian>12 years-old
14:54<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: It would probably be a good idea to set up smartmontools for that disk anyway.
14:54<rob_debian>so, probably its end is near
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14:55<Ubuntu>Hello guys 18.04 or 19.04?
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14:55<annadane>debian is not ubuntu
14:55<annadane>!ubuntu
14:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
14:55<rob_debian>Hi jhutchins_wk, thanks for attention ! I'll use it for it looks like I've installed it yesterday :)
14:55<EmleyMoor>Ubuntu: Neither. Thanks.
14:56<annadane>in any case, it's a really vague question
14:56<annadane>isn't 18.04 supposed to be LTS, use what works for you...
14:56<jhutchins_wk>annadane: Already gone.
14:57<EmleyMoor>Not gone. Nickname changed
14:57<lucy_>rob_debian: mine is 9 years old, but I have one from 2003 I still use
14:58<Guest9569>hehe 9 years oO
14:58<Guest9569>old school
14:58<Guest9569>:)
14:58<rob_debian>Really ? I have one seagate here IDE from 2005, 20 GB size; I thought it was older than everyone - but your hdd is probably sata, not ide :)
14:58<sqrt{not}>rob_debian: can you run smartctl -a /dev/sdX (where X is whatever, for your disk) and look under the column "when failed"
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14:59<rob_debian>yes, sqrt{not}, let me run it now
14:59<meeh_>I have old sata drives sitting on a shelf at home
15:00<meeh_>worse, old IDE and a couple of SCSI drives
15:00<meeh_>all because i have been too lazy to convert it all to a storage drive and be done with it
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15:00<EmleyMoor>I have some spares around but am out of the ones for the bulk of my machines now
15:00<sqrt{not}><-- is unhappy to see Linus is removing floppy support from the kernel.
15:01<meeh_>I liked ipchains
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15:01*EmleyMoor isn't - but may have one last need for floppies soon
15:01<rob_debian>Please, sqrt{not}, the output for the command you've passed me: https://paste.debian.net/1095500/
15:02<meeh_>they have floppy to usb drives
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15:02<EmleyMoor>Indeed, there are USB floppy drives, so not "the end" - just no further on board floppy controller support
15:02<meeh_>I have a couple of really old zip disks
15:03<meeh_>the last floppy drive I saw in use, was with a company I used to work at, where they paid too much for a CRC machine that still used floppies
15:04<meeh_>back in 2013
15:04<rob_debian>SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
15:04<meeh_>and the crc machine was circa 98
15:04<meeh_>the work around was a rs232 control port to network port
15:05<EmleyMoor>I actually installed one on Saturday - partly to write some boot disks for an old machine resurrection I am due to take part in and partly to fill a hole being left behind by the transfer out of a card reader
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15:06<lucy_>meeh_: I got like 2 1,5 terabyte hdd, which have a massive runtime. I sadly dont remeber it, but the drives failed 70%
15:07<meeh_>maxstor...
15:07<lucy_>sqrt{not}: Linus is bad:( I wanna be in my floppy group:(
15:08<sqrt{not}>rob_debian: the 20 reallocated sectors are a warning, and the temperature is a little high
15:08<annadane>careful, he'll yell at you
15:08<annadane>(linus, not rob)
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15:09<lucy_>annadane: Linus will also yell if you do some unholy things to linux, like sudo su
15:10<meeh_>linus needs to drink decaf, get laid more and potentially take a couple of people interaction classes they force upper level managers to attend before they get the company sued
15:10<lucy_>SUdO sU
15:11<annadane>okay okay let's not get too off topic :P
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15:18<sney>you probably need to identify with nickserv
15:18<sney>keeps the riff-raff out
15:20<rob_debian>back here, let me read messages
15:20<lucy_>ok thanks
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15:21<rob_debian>sqrt{not} 20 reallocated sectors means there was an re-organization of sectors after 20 sectors that were damaged previously... correct or not ?
15:21<meeh_>correct
15:23<meeh_>in linux it writes zeros to that area of the file system for a special skip flag
15:23<rob_debian>oh meeh_ thanks for confirming that to me.
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15:23<rob_debian>I see, so it's really damaged - began to dye :(
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15:23<meeh_>its actually why journal ling file systems are so freaking awesome.
15:24<meeh_>happens
15:24<meeh_>standard drives pre ssd, you where lucky to get 5 years out of them
15:24<meeh_>everything at my work thats over 5 years even if the laptop is in great shape i am replacing the drive with SSD
15:24<rob_debian>yeah meeh_ and I always use btrfs
15:25<meeh_>or marking the laptop defective
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15:26<meeh_>what makes me cringe is watching people with standard drives move laptops around
15:26<meeh_>i want to flog those individuals
15:26<rob_debian>yes, here is still expensive, but I'll replace them to ssd also. Never believed in ide and sata drives
15:26*dboles winces
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15:26<meeh_>sata was ok
15:26<meeh_>its fast
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15:27<dboles>mechanical is mechanical, in any case
15:27<EmleyMoor>I'll be going SSD probably gradually
15:27<meeh_>just when you hear the magic ticking of a drive
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15:27<meeh_>ill take ssd drives
15:27<rob_debian>my older is ide, running FreeBSD 10.3 - zfs 20 gb hd size and it's from 2005
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15:28<EmleyMoor>All "repaves" once I have the money will be onto SSD
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15:28<rob_debian>The same here, EmleyMoor
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15:29<meeh_>i have one of the first sandisk usb thumb drives circa 2000, its been ran though a washer, driver, dropped, driven over, survived multiple moves, it still works to this day.. not that i can store anything useful on it anymore
15:30<rob_debian>19 years ago, meeh_ and it's fine... Great !
15:30<meeh_>512 MB of storage
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15:33<EmleyMoor>At the moment most of my troubles are graphics related
15:33<rob_debian>Really fine. Hope we can have the same quality and durability with non-corporate ssd
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15:34<rob_debian>meeh_ said: "just when you hear the magic ticking of a drive." A nightmare sound :(
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15:35<rob_debian>I've losen some hdd, and had to hear this sound before. Really harrowing.
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15:36<meeh_>I use Crucial for work related items
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15:36<rob_debian>Sorry, what's 'Crucial' ?
15:36<meeh_>Crucial MX500 GB SSD 2d tlc NAND sata
15:37<jhutchins_wk>I've got a pile of sata drives, some ata's probably. 20+ disks, some bad, some just obsolete by size.
15:37<meeh_>At home I prefer samsung
15:37<jhutchins_wk>I like to keep workstations down to ~40G, but you don't find those any more. (All storage goes to the network.)
15:38<meeh_>could always get a thumb drive to pci slop adaptor
15:38<meeh_>slot
15:38<rob_debian>Thanks meeh_
15:39<meeh_>at a previous company I did the whole LTSP deploy
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15:39<meeh_>pulled the drives on 120+ work stations
15:39<meeh_>save for a few staff, nobody had a hard drive
15:39<meeh_>anyrate its quiting time :)
15:40<meeh_>see ya
15:40<rob_debian>I will replace this hdd with an ssd. It is a real sacrilege to keep a Debian Buster installation on a 12 year old hdd that has already begun to die ....
15:40<rob_debian>It becomes a spiritual sin this ...
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15:48<rob_debian>see you meeh_ :)
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15:53<EmleyMoor>How do I find out which systemd unit starting leads to the mounting of an already connected USB hard drive?
15:53<EmleyMoor>ls
15:54<EmleyMoor>It's awfully cryptic
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15:59<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: USB drives tend to auto-mount in file managers.
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16:00<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: So what systemd unit is starting the one that mounts the relevant drive?
16:01<EmleyMoor>I'm not interested in what ultimately does it, but the systemd unit that brings it about
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16:03*EmleyMoor has just found a discussion of the very point he's facing, and is now thinking sshfs may be more appropriate
16:04<ach>EmleyMoor if correct me if wrong? https://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs
16:04<annadane>"NB This information is likely outdated, usbmount does much of this automagically for most use cases."
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16:05<EmleyMoor>ach: Unless it applies from buster onwards only, no good
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16:06<ach>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=usbmount
16:06<annadane>ew
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16:06<EmleyMoor>ach: Irrelevant, from what I'm now reading. I can no longer rely on the mechanism working prior to nfs starting
16:07<ach>i never used sshfs
16:07<ach>i thought usb automount it was about
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16:08<EmleyMoor>ach: I have but only with my laptop as client. Now it seems I need to do so for all systems backed up to this USB drive except the host
16:09<EmleyMoor>ach: It's about usb automount and nfs - and the solution is change nfs to sshfs
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16:09<ach>!sshfs
16:09<dpkg>sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information. Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group. If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config.
16:11<ach>i never used rare i even can say had samba or nfs
16:12<EmleyMoor>Apparently the key downside to sshfs is speed - but with my "smaller" systems it won't be that relevant
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16:14<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: Seems to me there's a setting somewhere for "wait for hard drive to spin up" - but I don't remember where that step lives.
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16:15<ach>!automount
16:15<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
16:15<jhutchins_wk>I "park" my backup drive when the backup is done, but while it takes some time to spin up, the system doesn't seem to freak out about it, it just waits.
16:15<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: https://discourse.osmc.tv/t/testing-debian-stretch-upgrade-for-osmc/54294/59 is the most relevant thing I've read yet
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16:21<ach>https://superuser.com/questions/425200/automatically-mounting-nfs-shares-on-debian maybe that helps _netdev in mount options
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16:23<EmleyMoor>It's not the automatic mounting of the nfs share that's giving trouble
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16:24<lolcat--007>how can i get the lastest version of firefox in buster
16:24<lolcat--007>???
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16:28<ach>https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/System ??
16:29<EmleyMoor>One machine done, two to go and one to have this added to its setup once it's on the network
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16:37<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... a "not working" situation - done everything the same as the others but no go
16:40<ach>!bal bla
16:42<EmleyMoor>I'll come back to that one and see if I can get the last one to work first
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16:56<EmleyMoor>OK, pleased to say I've converted all remote mounts of my backup drive to sshfs, allowing me to remove it as as nfs export, meaning its boot time absence will no longer prevent nfs starting
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19:02<dionisius>Hello all, I want to execute a command every time I log into one of my accounts. I thought that I should just add the command to the file "~/.profile", but it didn't work. In fact, this file is only executed when I open a terminal. Is this the expected behaviour? (Ftr: There is no "~/.bash_profile" nor "~/.bash_login" here)
19:04<sarnold>~/.profile is used by sh and bash (and maybe other shells?) -- that part is working as designed
19:05<sarnold>you're free to create those other files if you wish, but the bash startup process is pretty complicated. It's best to keep that as simple as you can -- otherwise you wind up having strange situations where things work fine when you ssh in, but they don't work from X; or the other way around
19:10<dionisius>I see. So if I want to execute a command whenever I log into an account, where should I add it?
19:12<sarnold>dionisius: hmm, depending upon what you're trying to do.. maybe the pam_exec module? but that's kind of a scary hammer to swing to do this..
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19:15<sarnold>dionisius: what are you trying to execute? when? :)
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19:16<dionisius>sarnold: hmmm, the command itself is pretty simple, "xset led 3"
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19:17<dionisius>sarnold: If I could run it after I log in, or just after the computer turns on, would be perfect
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19:19<kanliot>https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706 it says debian ships with multiple desktop envs. if i want to install a minimal KDE or mate, is that included on DVD#1??
19:20<kanliot>or lxqt/LXDE. is there a difference for a 4GB pc?
19:20<kanliot>between lxqt and LXDE?
19:21<blast007>will you have network access during the install?
19:21<kanliot>no
19:21<sarnold>dionisius: aha cool; that program really only makes sense to run from within X, so you ought to be able to add it to your ~/.xsession or a desktop autostart thing
19:22<blast007>kanliot: you can see which packages are on the various DVDs here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/10.0.0/amd64/list-dvd/
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19:26<dionisius>sarnold: =O I wasn't aware of that file. Loved it! Thanks for the tip! (although I still want to know how to execute something at startup time in an easy way)
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19:27<kanliot>blast007, it looks like DVD1 has gnome LXqt and LXDE but it's really not very clear
19:29<kanliot>i can just try it i guess. should take 15 mins
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19:30<sarnold>dionisius: the usual ways to execute something at startup is to make a system service for it, eg a systemd unit file or sysvinit script, and set it up to run that way, or to use a cron @reboot specifier (better for users, they can't do system startup scripts)
19:31<bremner>systemd can start units for users too
19:33<bremner>although I missed whether we are really talking about on reboot, for a desktop session of some kind, or something else
19:33<dionisius>sarnold: interesting. I will take a look at systemd unit file / sysvinit scripts
19:34<dionisius>bremner: I was asking what should I do to execute a command at system startup time
19:34<sarnold>bremner: oh can it? do you have a link handy? I can't find my way through the twisty maze of systemd manpages :)
19:34<sarnold>(I'd *really* love ONE BIG MANPAGE that you could grep through..)
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19:36<bremner>sarnold: I'm not sure about the man page off hand, but you can look in /usr/lib/systemd/user for examples. gpg-agent uses this in buster iirc
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19:37<sarnold>bremner: examples are even better :D I stand a chance there, hah, thanks
19:38<bremner>it looks like systemd.unit documents user units
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19:43<sarnold>bremner: hmmm... I can't figure out what would start the systemd --user instances -- these feel like things systemd *can* start for a user once a systemd --user process is started, but I'm not seeing anything about how that would happen at boot
19:47<bremner>man user@.service seems to be relevent
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19:47<bremner>and yes, it really is spelled that way ;)
19:48<bremner>so, systemd-logind ?
19:49<thsnr>sarnold: to have user services running without the user actively logged in, you need to enable lingering. check man loginctl and search for enable-linger
19:51<sarnold>thsnr: hey there we go!
19:51<sarnold>I thought linger was the "don't kill screen/tmux" button, not "start systemd --user at boot" button. heh. go figure :)
19:51<sarnold>thanks thsnr, bremner
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19:53<bremner>I learned some things too.
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20:12<coreire>I've got an openmediavault server based on Debian that seems to have gotten hacked. I logged in earlier to find a bunch of movies downloaded in Radarr with the words "hacking" or "hacker" in the name I changed all passwords and closed up an mdns port with had been open but upon rebooting the server now hangs when attempting to boot from the usb key that the OS is stored on. I don't think they got root access but probably were able to access the openmediava
20:13<coreire>Probably other services like Radarr, Sonarr, NZBGet etc. also Any ideas what they could have done to cause the bootloop and how to go about fixing it?
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20:23<coreire>Ok, for some reason after bootlooping about 20 times it's booted. How would I verify that they didn't get root access?
20:23<bremner>coreire: you probably can't verify that
20:24<bremner>reinstall is the only safe option.
20:25<coreire>You're probably right. Could they have done anything on the file storage drives that could compromise a clean install on the boot drive?
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20:32<bremner>well, it depends. If the file storage drives are mounted noexec, then they might be safe.
20:32<sarnold>it depends what's on there; image processors and video processors tend to have a lot of flaws, and it's possible that theremight be left-behind images or videos that exploit flaws in imagemagick or mplayer etc
20:33<bremner>right. Although people generally download those themselves ;)
20:33<sarnold>but I have to imagine that's pretty unlikely unless you're a target of some value, rather than just yet another insecure install
20:35<coreire>Nah I don't see it being a target of any vaiue. Just a random server with movies and tv shows stored on it. From what I can see only 5 movies were downloaded from usenet so I'll remove those.
20:36<coreire>I think they were more to make a point rather than leave something behind going off the fact that all the movies were hacking related.
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20:39<coreire>Would a virus scan on the storage drives show up anything that was injected into the files that were already there?
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20:45<sarnold>coreire: maybe. I've got a pretty poor feeling towards most AV things -- I've seen far more false positives from them than actual viruses fuond
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20:45<sarnold>coreire: and indeed, a bunch of downloaded movies with 'hack' in the name does rather feel like someone trying to leave a messaage :) heh
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20:48<coreire>sarnold: Ya I've a feeling they just did what they could with the access they had. I'll just do a clean install and scan the drives. I really don't think they gained root access, just got into the openmediavault gui and screwed around with what they could.
20:49<sarnold>coreire: better safe than sorry, and a reinstall will give you a chance to make sure you've closed all the doors you expect, and left open only what you expect
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23:39<madmartig00n>Hello o7, I just installed debian 10 on a T470s and at the screen to unlock my drive I am getting some errors "CPUn: Core temprature above threshhold, cpu clock throttled" and another one similar but CPUn: Package temprture above threshhold cpu clock throttled. Someone in here is running a T470s with buster on it. I can feel it. Any help? also when I run sensors everything looks good temp wise. I
23:39<madmartig00n>googled a little bit but got lazy. Figured I'd try here.
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