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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-08-13

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02:59<pirrate>hi
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03:21<steinex>Greetings. I'm trying to use zulu-8, a Java JDK from a third party repo. It has the following Provides: 'java8-jdk, java7-jdk, java6-sdk, java5-sdk, java2-sdk, java-sdk, java-compiler, java8-runtime, java7-runtime, java6-runtime, java5-runtime, java2-runtime, java-runtime'
03:22<steinex>The problem is when installing maven2, which Depends: on the following virtual packages: 'default-jre (>= 1.5) | default-jre-headless (>= 1.5) | java2-runtime | java2-runtime-headless, libmaven2-core-java'
03:22<steinex>I don't understand why maven2 pulls openjdk-8-jdk, while zulu-8 provides 'java2-runtime'. Isn't the Depends: in the maven2 package an "OR" via the pipes?
03:24<jm_>maven2? are you using jessie?
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03:28<steinex>I need to get this working on jessie as well, indeed. But the same problem exists on stretch (i know the package is just called maven there).
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03:33<jm_>well current stable is buster :)
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03:43<steinex>buster has the same issue. In the buster case it's just that it pulls openjdk-11-jre-headless instead.
03:45<steinex>so the question stands: why is maven not satisfied by e.g. java2-runtime? :)
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04:01<jelly>,depends maven
04:01<judd>Package maven in buster/amd64 -- depends: default-jre-headless (>= 2:1.7) | java7-runtime-headless, libjansi-java, libmaven3-core-java (= 3.6.0-1), libwagon-file-java, libwagon-http-shaded-java.
04:02<jelly>steinex: does "zulu-8" provide java7-runtime-headless as well?
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04:03<steinex>jelly: nope it does not
04:03<jelly>that'd explain the behaviour in buster.
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04:09<EmleyMoor>I'm still looking for ideas to solve my "broken up" desktop display problem. My initial setup of the machine, using a regular monitor, worked fine. On trying to use it installed where I intended it - my AV setup - text displays are fine, and the mouse pointer is fine, but the desktop display is broken up in a way reminiscent of what is seen on an old TV set if the horizontal hold is badly out of adjustme
04:09<EmleyMoor>nt. The actual screen looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na - obviously not good. How can this happen, still with a good mouse pointer?
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05:31<ratrace>i'm trying to install buster from a netinstal cd and i have one question
05:32<ratrace>in my system i have the network card of the motherboard and also a pci network card
05:33<ratrace>i had to add the pci network cart because the one in my motherboard wasn't recognized from debian stretch and previous
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05:34<ratrace>how can i verify that in the installation process the system will use the pci network card?
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06:29<Bodiro>ratrace: How about disabling the motherbordchip in the BIOS?
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06:31<Bodiro>oh, sorry
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06:53<swenray>Hi there ! So I am still bumping on the same issue : I wanted to go for a lighter desktop Environnement (Debian 10, i386, installed it with gnome desktop) so I went for LXDE, but it could get lighter. So I wanted to try Openbox as a "stand alone" windows manager. But I can't get logged in when choosing it a the session screen. Any idea why ? Could there be a conflict somewhere ? I still have LXDE and Gnome installed, would like to keep them at reach.
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06:54<jm_>swenray: even if you select debian session at login screen and put openbox in ~/.xsession?
06:55<bremner>nobody should be installing i386 (32 bit) on modern (<10 years old) hardware
06:55<bremner>more and more packages are going to stop supporting i386
06:56<swenray>jm_ please develop a bit.
06:59<swenray>bremner I have looked into it, my NC10 Samsung is a 32bit .
07:00<bremner>OK.
07:01<swenray>jm_ do you mean logging on the working desktop environnement (LXDE for me then) , and moving Openbox files in ~/.xsession ?
07:01<bremner>it's from 2008, so not modern
07:01<bremner>I guess there might be more recent atom boxes as well
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07:05<jm_>swenray: no, if you select Debian session, it will start /etc/X11/Xsession, which honours ~/.xsession, so you can start a customized session this way
07:05<swenray>bremner what is an atom box ?
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07:06<bremner>swenray: a computer using an "atom" processor, intel's cheap/crippled brand
07:06<swenray>jm_ to me, l
07:08<swenray>jm_ to me my only choixe are gnome, LXDE or Openbox . I'm not quite sure to understand. Do you mean a genuine prompt shell ? Like Ctrl + Alt + F2 ?
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07:08<jm_>swenray: which display manager is this?
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07:12<swenray>jm_ I'm sorry if I'm slow here. I have, when asked for my login + passwd, several choices : Default Xsession ; Gnome, Another Gnome ; Gnome Classique ; Gnome on Xorg ; LXDE ; Openbox . Are you asking me, wich one I am using right now ? LXDE to answer this question.
07:13<jm_>swenray: yeah try editing ~/.xsession file and put in just "openbox", then select Default Xsession (although one would expect that selecting Openbox would also work)
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07:16<swenray>Okay I think I'll have to disconnect from here then. See you on the other side.
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08:46<LionelJuspin>Hi, people, which is the last stable rt kernel?
08:49<tarzeau>latest? sid or stable?
08:49<LionelJuspin>stable
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08:50<tarzeau>LionelJuspin: https://packages.debian.org/buster/linux-image-rt-amd64
08:50<tarzeau>and for sid it's 5.2+106
08:52<LionelJuspin>I see. obviously each chip maker maintains its own distro with different kernel implementations. thanks!
08:54*EmleyMoor is having a cleanup - getting rid of packages needed to build software he no longer needs to build
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09:00<EmleyMoor>LionelJuspin, The kernel has to be compiled for each architecture - but both Intel and AMD make processors to the amd64 architecture.
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09:12<damjan>what's going on with https certificates on debian infra? https://ftp.debian.org/ has a self-signed certificate https://ftp.nl.debian.org/ and https://ftp.us.debian.org/ provide certificates for other hostnames
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09:15<LionelJuspin>EmleyMoor: thanks. I'm interested in embedded (arm arch), so I see some (as raspberry pi, and beaglebone) use rather old kernels.
09:16<GyrosGeier>that's a known problem in embedded
09:16<GyrosGeier>few vendors have the infrastructure to ship updates, and few vendors send drivers upstream
09:16<GyrosGeier>and many people declare a project finished when it works for them
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09:19<LionelJuspin>i see that some vedors count on a community to maintain the distro. but it seems the ubiquitous IoT world is more insecure, that I previously thought.
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09:25<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Which platforms support debian?
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09:26<tarzeau>Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures
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09:29<Bio_Hazard1282_rPi3>Thank you for the link.
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10:20<keycollector>Has anyone set up a LUKS encrypted drive over sshfs?
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10:22<bremner>you mean LUKS on top of sshfs?
10:22<bremner>or just sshfs to some LUKS partition?
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10:23<keycollector>I would like to mount a LUKS encrypted drive from a untrusted machine, onto my local machine over sshfs.
10:24<keycollector>But without the untrusted machine knowing the pharaphrase, or seeing the unecrypted traffic, if that makes sense.
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10:25<bremner>ah. I'd be a bit surprised if that works, but maybe nbd can be used to share the encrypted device
10:25<bremner>that would likely be read only
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11:16<lids>hi all: can someone help with rt2870/3070 usb wifi? can't get it to work on buster 4.19 kernel..
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11:18<legremz>hello everyone.
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11:22<legremz>I have a small probleme with debian 10 and multiple monitor. I have to display plug on an Nvidia card the other one is plug on the motherboard. It works very well on windows but on debian i have a black screen and only have the cursor displayed. If i try to drag and drop a window, it doesn't apear... I also have small lags in firefox when i scroll in full screen. Have anyone had the same issue ?
11:23<legremz>I have two* (sorry for the typo)
11:24<grove>!rt2870
11:24<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372, RT5572) are supported by the rt2800usb Linux kernel driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
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11:26<lids>yes rt2800usb module doesn't seem to work on this pc.. Another debian system [strech] works properly [wicd]
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11:30<meeh__>at the risk of not being a purest, did you try the nvidia drivers?
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11:30*EmleyMoor is still really puzzled by his HTPC garbled display - https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na
11:31<meeh__>lol resolution and refresh rate are way off
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11:31<EmleyMoor>meeh__: The mouse pointer is right, but the rest of the display looks like the horizontal hold is wrong
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11:33<legremz>meeh__: last time i tried it ends up with a broken Debian XD I followed carefully the step for a new try...
11:34<legremz>install if over i'll try a reboot :x
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11:40<legremz>ok it didn't end well like the last time... Freeze during boot... Installing nvidia-driver seems to break everything. During the installation it say that it make conflict with "nouveau" module and that can be solve by a reboot. And at the reboot... dead.
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11:41<meeh__>what about dropping the run level to 3
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11:41<meeh__>boot in console
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11:42<legremz>in rescue mode ?
11:42<meeh__>no, change your init level so you boot to console
11:43<meeh__>versus graphical display
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11:44<meeh__>as root or sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
11:45<meeh__>then reboot
11:45<meeh__>should boot you to console
11:45<meeh__>if its still messed up its a hardware issue
11:46<meeh__>check the bios settings, reflash bios, pray to your god(s)
11:46<meeh__>put new hardware in
11:46<meeh__>try again
11:46<jhutchins_wk>meeh__: runlevels are a RH/rpm concept, they've never been implemented in Debian and are deprecated with systemd.
11:46<meeh__>if you get a command prompt its more than likely a software issue
11:47<meeh__>yeah and I am way old
11:47<meeh__>i predate linux
11:47<jhutchins_wk>meeh__: Your instructions are correct though.
11:47<legremz>i take notes and will try this.
11:48<meeh__>I still think in system v UNIX terms
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11:51<ach>!ok
11:52<legremz>i doubt it can be an hardware problem cause Windows10 work well with the 3 screens, no lags or freeze. But you know, Windows can do weird stuff sometimes...
11:52<meeh__>I know, I run windows 10...
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11:53<meeh__>did you try wayland vs x as a desktop manager
11:53<mnur>waln0
11:53<meeh__>well not desktop, but graphic intermediary
11:54<mnur>waht
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11:54<legremz>No i didn't try.
11:54<meeh__>for your graphical enviroment if you have Xorg installed uninstall it and try wayland
11:54<meeh__>it seems to work better in some instances
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11:54<legremz>ho wait
11:55<legremz>it was wayland
11:55<meeh__>so wayland is the issue, then try X
11:55<meeh__>lol
11:56<legremz>when i use xrandr to show connected display i have WAYLAND0, WAYLAND1 and WAYLAND2 for each display.
11:56<legremz>i see my 3 displays
11:56<ach>i think it's initramfs just unload nouveau
11:57<ach>well but i would use nouveau if had no software needs nvidia driver
11:58<ach>or well oit gone to work so far
11:58<meeh__>lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
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11:58<meeh__>get that
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11:59<meeh__>that will tell you exactly what your card is and where it logically is located
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12:03<legremz_>ok i'm on an other pc so i can have irc and the debian in the same time
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12:05<meeh__>ok
12:05<meeh__>so is it the generic or the nvidia drivers killing your machine
12:05<meeh__>or not sure?
12:05<legremz_>ok so at the boot i have the message Failed to start Load Kernel Modules see systemctl bla bla bla. So i've checked systemctl Error running install command for nvidia_drm (drm... nice)
12:06<meeh__>apt-get remove --purge nvidia*
12:07<meeh__>apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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12:08<legremz_>ok so after the remove nvidia i've rebooted the pc and it works again
12:08<legremz_>without the third display though
12:08<meeh__>cool
12:09<meeh__>its a driver issue
12:09<meeh__>could go see what the status is your your graphics card support in nvida drivers
12:09<meeh__>usually they lag a good 3-6 months after a distro release
12:10<legremz_>my card is old lol
12:10<legremz_>let me get the info on it
12:10<meeh__>I am going to go eat
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12:12<legremz_>GeForce GT 710B
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12:13<legremz_>nvidia-detect tels me that my card is supported by the default driver and legacy driver series 390 and recommand to install nvidia-driver
12:13<legremz_>lol nope not twice Xd
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12:18<ach>you can do add non-free to your sources.list and use apt install nvidia-driver
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12:19<legremz_>already did. nvidia-detect is non-free
12:20<legremz_>nvidia-driver*
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12:20<ach>after you installed it do root update-initramfs -u
12:21<ach>idk other
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12:22<legremz_>fun fact i booted and ubuntu install key the 3 screen works :D perfectly so it's just software :D I'm considering trying to go for an Debian 9 to see if it works without problems.
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13:10<meeh__>#legremz older distros usually are more stable
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13:14<manj-gnome>hi does this motherboard work without proprietary firmware?
13:14<manj-gnome>https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-GAMING-X-rev-10/sp#sp
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13:18<meeh__>the firmware is at the chip level and works independently of the OS level
13:19<meeh__>you may have some issues if you need to patch the firmware that only has a windows based firmware loader
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13:19<meeh__>such as some HP notebooks & desktops
13:19<meeh__>but otherwise I wouldnt worry about it
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13:28<Ryblade>i have a new hard drive installed, haven't partitioned it or anything.
13:29<Ryblade>is it possible to run the debian installer for buster on that drive from within this stretch install, and then just change the boot drive in my BIOS and be in buster?
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13:29<sney>not exactly, but you can use debootstrap
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13:31<Ryblade>alright, i'll look into seeing if that'll do what i want it to.
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13:31<ilvince89>hello where can i find the entire command list for the shell??
13:31<sney>Ryblade: it's what the installer runs internally, so it can, but it's a little less user friendly.
13:32<bremner>ilvince89: which shell?
13:32<sney>!refcard
13:32<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
13:33<sney>there are gajillions but there are some useful fundamentals, ilvince89 ^
13:33<ilvince89>thanks
13:33<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, I'd copy my existing installation from a rescue system, then upgrade in-place
13:33<Ryblade>sney: oh cool, that sounds interesting. i should be able to handle that.
13:34<GyrosGeier>debootstrap is a bit tricky, because it doesn't install a kernel
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13:34<Ryblade>GyrosGeier: i'm not going to do an upgrade because i plan to use encryption, LVM and a bunch of other stuff that i hadn't done last time
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13:34<GyrosGeier>ah
13:34<GyrosGeier>but you can't boot from an USB stick, can you?
13:35<sney>yeah it's a very manual process but if you understand the things that are necessary (bootloader, kernel etc) then it is pretty straightforward to figure out. and the docs are good.
13:35<Ryblade>yes i can, it's just that i'd like to have my resources in front of me as i'm going through the install.
13:35<GyrosGeier>ah
13:35<GyrosGeier>a VM is your best bet then
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13:36<GyrosGeier>but getting a VM with EFI to run is a bit tricky
13:36<Ryblade>i really don't mean to be that guy who has a way of shutting down every one of your suggestions, but a VM is not an option with how little RAM i've got.
13:36<GyrosGeier>a non-EFI VM is simple (basically just tell kvm to use your new harddisk as the harddisk image for the VM), but the installer will install an MBR and grub2 then
13:37<codeman>hello guys am new here
13:37<GyrosGeier>d-i needs 128 MB IIRC
13:37<GyrosGeier>netboot needs more though
13:37<GyrosGeier>so you'd have to use a full image then, because netboot downloads the missing stuff to a ramdisk, while a full image pulls it from the image
13:38<sney>this sure is a lot of added complexity for a situation where debootstrap is going to do what he initially asked for
13:38<Ryblade>whereas with deboostrap, i don't have to fuss with VMs on this old system (again), and i'll get a better insight and education into the inner-workings of how debian is installed
13:38<GyrosGeier>yes, but debootstrap needs a bit of handholding afterwards
13:38<sarnold>welcome codeman
13:38<GyrosGeier>checklist:
13:38<sney>and this VM kludge won't? come on
13:38<GyrosGeier> - create an /etc/fstag
13:38<GyrosGeier>fstab*
13:39<GyrosGeier> - create /etc/hostname
13:39<GyrosGeier> - install a kernel and bootloader
13:39<codeman>thanks friend
13:39<GyrosGeier> - create a user account and/or set a root password
13:39<Ryblade>unless this checklist is more complicated than arch or gentoo, both of which i have years of experience with, then i'm not that afraid
13:40<sney>ha yeah if you've been through a gentoo install this will be like a walk in the park. GyrosGeier I don't think there's anything to worry about here
13:40<GyrosGeier>true dat
13:40<Ryblade>yeah, i've been through menuconfig, i've seen things...
13:40<GyrosGeier>is the system currently booted from EFI, or legacy?
13:40*Ryblade stares off into distance
13:40<GyrosGeier>because I'd definitely use the opportunity to go EFI
13:41<Ryblade>EFI
13:41<GyrosGeier>good
13:41<Ryblade>yeah i like it when my system boots in seconds :)
13:41<GyrosGeier>yup
13:42<GyrosGeier>you also want to use systemd-boot instead of grub then
13:42<GyrosGeier>the downside is that it doesn't come with linux-image integration
13:42<Ryblade>so sney, where would be the best, up to date source of documentation on debootstrap?
13:42<dboles>fast boot times are cool but i have no idea why people care so much about them
13:42<Ryblade>gotta go fast
13:42<dboles>to the point that you sometimes cant get into the firmware to fix your os without having an os to instruct the firmware to let you in...
13:43<GyrosGeier>dboles, for desktop, they are awesome
13:43<Ryblade>press delete faster? i dunno, lol.
13:43<GyrosGeier>for servers, meh
13:43<sney>Ryblade: there is a section in the install guide, https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html. also 'man debootstrap'
13:44<dboles>who restarts often enough for it to matter, and why?
13:44<GyrosGeier>I hate it when systemd fanboys tell me that my server would boot faster if I used systemd instead of sysvinit
13:44<Ryblade>cool, thank you!
13:44<dboles>(sincere question btw)
13:44<GyrosGeier>my server does five minutes of selftests, and then boots in twenty seconds
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13:44<Ryblade>dboles, i've got a very dusty apartment. shutting down the computer every day means i don't have to clean it as often.
13:44<GyrosGeier>dboles, desktop users do
13:44<Ryblade>i'm not running a server, either, so why waste electricity?
13:45*dboles is too used to sleeping my machine obviously
13:45<GyrosGeier>my main desktop at home uses systemd-boot, and it boots quicker than the monitor
13:45<dboles>haha
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13:45<Ryblade>ah, that's my problem then, i'm one of those weirdos that just never really "trusted" sleep or hibernate.
13:45<dboles>i boot off efi and it would be fine, if not for my shitey dying usb/bluetooth buses generating timeouts nd shit
13:45<Ryblade>also again why bother when it just boots in seconds anyway
13:45<dboles>so startup isn't as fast as it could/used to be
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13:46<sney>I usually just leave things running as well, but in situations where you need to conserve power or it's unreliable etc, fast boots can be useful. but normal systems boot pretty quickly anyway with little to no tuning.
13:46<sney>it's a metric that people cared about a lot like 10-15 years ago when suspend technology sucked though, for sure
13:46<GyrosGeier>normal desktop systems don't really need to do anything to boot
13:47<dboles>yeah, so unless you (a) need/want to power off and (b) do so often enough that it actually matters to your use of time, i don't really get it, and i do feel it's largely a false selling point nowadays, at least when it's obtained to the detriment of other features
13:47<GyrosGeier>some people use stupid file systems, so they need parallel boot
13:47<Ryblade>i've got some pro audio hardware attached to my desktop as well, they get hot if the computer is on for too long.
13:47<dboles>i could/should power off but lazy and figure my laptop doesn't use enough when asleep that it matters much in context anyway
13:47<Ryblade>already lost a DAC to heat not too long ago.
13:48<GyrosGeier>my desktop's boot sequence is 1. unpack kernel, 2. start init, 3. set a DENY policy in iptables, 4. spawn dhclient, 5. show login prompt
13:48<GyrosGeier>why would an audio DAC get warm?
13:49<Ryblade>well, even if the amount of power it uses is very low, it's still greater than zero.
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13:49<Ryblade>GyrosGeier: beats me, ask m-audio.
13:49<Ryblade>but the mackie audio interface i got to replace it stays cool as a cucumber.
13:50<GyrosGeier>I'm currently thinking about replacing my AV receiver with a selfbuilt one
13:50<Ryblade>that's cool, i've seen a few HATs for the RasPi that let you build your own DACs and interfaces.
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13:51<sney>!offtopic
13:51<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
13:51<sney>just in case any new people need help with something (:
13:51<GyrosGeier>because these car-hifi class D amplifiers you can buy for 2 EUR apiece waste almost no power, and if you stop sending them data, their quiescent current is in the nanoamperes
13:51<Ryblade>noted. :)
13:51<GyrosGeier>good point
13:52<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, you've seen the link to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826045
13:52<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/826045 in systemd (open, help): «systemd-boot: New kernels are not automatically added»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-06-01; last modified: 2017-10-18.
13:52<GyrosGeier>because that one is going to be important if you use systemd-boot
13:52<GyrosGeier>IIRC someone made an unofficial package with those scripts
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13:53<Ryblade>thanks for the heads-up, i was probably going to tussle with grub anyway
13:53<GyrosGeier>but I can't find it right now, and strange websites lying in ponds distributing packages are no basis for a system installation anyway
13:54<GyrosGeier>systemd-boot is way faster, because it loads the kernel and initrd directly from EFI
13:54<GyrosGeier>and unless you press F8, it doesn't even ask
13:54<dboles>i blow my nose at your strange website and call its claim to legitimacy a silly thing. [pushes self off the off-topic cliff]
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13:57<Ryblade>yeah? well, that is tempting, and any excuse to not have to deal with grub's wack-ass drive and partition naming scheme is a welcome one.
13:57<Ryblade>still, the source of these packages is very disturbing. hope a fix comes eventually, i can be patient if need be.
13:58<Ryblade>like, a kosher one.
13:58<GyrosGeier>true
13:58<Ryblade>no offense to the hard work put into the fix by this individual, of course, but a bit more official sanction does bring me peace of mind.
13:58<GyrosGeier>hrhr
13:59<GyrosGeier>ah
13:59<GyrosGeier>found it
13:59<GyrosGeier>"bootctl"
13:59<GyrosGeier>https://www.glasen-hardt.de/2016/10/03/bootctl-als-alternative-zu-grub2/
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13:59<GyrosGeier>that is what I used
14:00<GyrosGeier>Works For Me
14:00<GyrosGeier>in any case, make sure you have enough space on your ESP
14:00<Ryblade>so this bug was filed in 2016? phew... guess i shouldn't hold my breath, then. maybe i should look into other bootloaders in the mean time.
14:01<GyrosGeier>I went with 100 MB, which is overkill
14:01<Ryblade>oh, i'm gonna probably give it more than that, just in case in need to roll back a kernel or two. it's rarely happened.
14:01<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, yes, that's one of the problems with systemd. The project is very centralized, and if it's not on the agenda of one of the main programmers, it won't get done
14:02<sney>grub is the standard still. mbiebl was pretty clear about debian not prioritizing systemd-boot. users who really want it have some resources to make it work, but for everyone else...
14:02<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, true, standard initrd these days is 30 MB
14:02<Ryblade>GyrosGeier: i was hoping when systemd was split into a million different components (you know, all the systemd-foo packages), that leadership could be assigned to each specific part.
14:03<GyrosGeier>doesn't work, the components are too tightly integrated, and the interfaces between them too vaguely defined
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14:03<dboles>stoopid question: if i'm booting from an .efi in /boot that aptitude installs and i run a script to set as boot (since my laptop doesn't officially have an msata port...), am i using systemd-boot?
14:03<Ryblade>so an improvement in organizational structure wouldn't be likely to save it, then?
14:04<GyrosGeier>I mean, they are basically reimplementing the Windows desktop, but without the bit where you define an interface first and then stick to it
14:04<meeh__>I'm still waiting for in memory file system for booting. (Yeah It was promised 20+ years ago)
14:04<GyrosGeier>meeh__, you mean an initrd?
14:05<GyrosGeier>you can always just run your root fs through cpio and gzip, name it initrd and boot that
14:05<Ryblade>that's too bad. i know there's a lot of controversy and stuff about systemd, but as a user i still kinda like the way unit files look. i learned how to set up systemd-timers in a fraction of the time it took to wrap my head around cron.
14:05<sney>(good thing debian has a team of DDs maintaining systemd and making sure the integration is sane rather than just dropping in upstream's work wholesale)
14:05<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, the controversy is organizational more than technical
14:05<Ryblade>but, if it's going to hold everything back like this, then i can see why it's caused so much of a headache. oh well.
14:06<Ryblade>yeah, totally
14:06<meeh__>i like cron
14:06<GyrosGeier>the technology is proven. Windows 95 works
14:06<bremner>I think focussing on one bug might be missing the big picture...
14:06<GyrosGeier>(sorry, I'm a cynic)
14:06<dboles>98se or bust
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14:07<meeh__>Windows 98SE is stable, Finally...
14:07<meeh__>20+ years later
14:07<Ryblade>3.11 for workgroups for life
14:07<GyrosGeier>the problem is that defining declarative interfaces means that someone has to define an interface
14:07<meeh__>3.12.. go 16 Bit color
14:07<GyrosGeier>and so far that hasn't happened
14:07<meeh__>plus 3.12 had the API handlers for tcpip
14:07*sney is just waiting for this to turn into 2014-esque "Lennart and his acolytes" conspiracy froth
14:07<GyrosGeier>also, declarative interfaces have an awful tendency to become bloated
14:08<meeh__>still needed trumpet winsock
14:08<meeh__>but thats ok
14:08<Ryblade>sney: god, let's hope we can be more mature than /that/
14:08<sney>this channel got pretty bad in those days
14:08<GyrosGeier>I mean, the original declarative interface for starting a process is https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/processthreadsapi/nf-processthreadsapi-createprocessw
14:08<Ryblade>wouldn't be surprised
14:08<meeh__>bah, just compile your own kernel with modular support for everything.. whats the worst that could happen..
14:09<GyrosGeier>but that doesn't have user account information, so it got extended even further
14:09<GyrosGeier>meeh__, "The Hurd"
14:09<Ryblade>lol
14:09<GyrosGeier>honestly, systemd would be the absolute perfect init system for Hurd
14:10<meeh__>I still like lilo
14:10<GyrosGeier>because Hurd is a bunch of interdependent services that need to be orchestrated
14:10<GyrosGeier>meeh__, same
14:10<meeh__>but then again I am sadist
14:10<meeh__>it was dead simple
14:11<meeh__>it just worked
14:11<GyrosGeier>meeh__, unless you installed a new kernel without reinvoking lilo
14:11<Ryblade>so, just curious, can debian be run without systemd? i've heard some people saying that stripping it from debian is effortless, but i don't know if that's still the case today with buster.
14:11<GyrosGeier>then it just hung
14:11<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, I mostly run sysvinit on my boxes
14:11<Ryblade>right on
14:11<GyrosGeier>still works
14:11<meeh__>reivoking the LILO god goes right after you kill the live chicken
14:12<bremner>Ryblade: it's possible, but you need to be able to handle certain kinds of problems with less support
14:12<bremner>it's not the default, so certain kinds of configurations are not well tested
14:12<GyrosGeier>indeed
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14:12<GyrosGeier>desktop environments will most likely behave strangely
14:12<meeh__>or just run another distro or make your own from the linux from scratch site
14:13<GyrosGeier>my normal desktop is xterm+ratpoison, and I start it with "exec startx"
14:14<Ryblade>bremner: yeah, i was just curious, i'm probably still going to use systemd so that there's less chance of breakage.
14:14<GyrosGeier>so there isn't much that systemd can improve in my user experience
14:14<Ryblade>this is a shared, family desktop, not a personal machine that i can mess with as readily and not risk screwing up someone else's workflow.
14:15<GyrosGeier>but if you want the power down function in GNOME to work, you need dbus, a dbus policy that allows the console user to talk to the systemd power control interface, and systemd to provide the dbus power control interface
14:15<meeh__>just install dansguard for all users except yours
14:15<GyrosGeier>I believe GNOME still degrades gracefully and greys out the power button
14:15<meeh__>crank internet usage down to preteens
14:16<GyrosGeier>so
14:16<GyrosGeier>time to go home after an unproductive day
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14:17<Ryblade>why install filtering software? i'm the only one in wheel, i'm still the sysadmin, and we're all adults here.
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14:18<bremner>wheel hasn't done anything in Debian for a long time, if ever. AFAIK
14:18<GyrosGeier>the dbus policy, you mean?
14:18<Ryblade>i just don't want my users being like Y THIS NO WURK suddenly and i have to figure out what hoops to jump through to make it work with my deviant configurations
14:18<bremner>I remember being in group wheel in the 1990s
14:19<GyrosGeier>bremner, wheel is a holdover from BSD
14:19<bremner>yes, I ran BSD in the 1990s
14:19<Ryblade>lol, wheel, sudo i mean.
14:19<GyrosGeier>in principle, /bin/su should be 4750 root:wheel
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14:19<bremner>GyrosGeier: not here
14:19<Ryblade>yeah, what year am i in?
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14:20<GyrosGeier>the kids today call it "defense in depth" and believe they invented not allowing untrusted users to run suid binaries
14:20<GyrosGeier>Ryblade, you will be delighted to hear that BSD securelevels also still work
14:21<GyrosGeier>except if you use systemd, that is :P
14:21<Ryblade>neat
14:21<Ryblade>oh
14:21<GyrosGeier>systemd doesn't know how to reset securelevel after going singleuser
14:21<GyrosGeier>that is the one thing you actually need to be pid 1 for
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14:22<Ryblade>well, if i want BSD i'll run that, i'm just waiting on it to support a little SoC i've got laying around
14:22<GyrosGeier>true
14:23<Ryblade>but if i talk any more about that we'll get way off topic :)
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14:23<GyrosGeier>OTOH you can really confuse script kiddies when /var/log/auth.log is chattr +a and the attribute cannot be reset because securelevel > 1
14:24<GyrosGeier>ancient sorcery
14:24<Ryblade>heheheh
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14:24<GyrosGeier>< GyrosGeier> time to go home after an unproductive day
14:25*GyrosGeier tries again
14:25<Ryblade>oh right, sorry to keep you
14:25<damjan>securelevel on Linux?
14:25<dboles>what about it?
14:25<dboles>which Linux?
14:26<damjan>dunno, someone said systemd didn't know to reset securelevel
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14:27<dboles>oh haha
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14:29<manan>Hey, what do you guys think about lubuntu?
14:30<petn-randall>manan: All other distros are inferior to Debian.
14:30<dboles>!ubuntu
14:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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14:30<meeh__>I am not an ubuntu fan
14:31<manan>Oops, Sorry Guys
14:31<petn-randall>;)
14:32<meeh__>Just install the mate or xfce desktop on debian and you have the same thing, with less bloat
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14:37<aterfax[m]>Anyone know of anything for debian that integrates a nice all in one solution like unraid?
14:37<aterfax[m]>I know I can use webmin, portainer etc...
14:38<aterfax[m]>But I wondered if there was a nice AIO
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14:39<aterfax[m]>Particularly for rolling in raid support
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14:40<aterfax[m]>Perhaps with ZFS
14:40<aterfax[m]>A VM manager would also be nice since I have only screwed around with it in the terminal
14:41<meeh__>gparted is nice
14:41<meeh__>kdisk is nice
14:41<aterfax[m]>Yeah I don't want to be using a DE on a server.
14:41<aterfax[m]>As much as I like X11 forwarding, a web interface would be nicer.
14:42<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: Web interfaces and sysadmin tasks usually don't mix well.
14:43<aterfax[m]>Very true for a larger scale deployment
14:43<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: I'd strongly advise against it, since you'll need to use the command line anyway if the web interface screws up.
14:43<aterfax[m]>but if I was doing the latter I wouldn't use debian.
14:43<aterfax[m]>I'm comfortable with the terminal anywho
14:43<damjan>aterfax[m]: for VMs I use libvirt and virtlyst and/or virt-manager (over ssh)
14:43<aterfax[m]>I just want to wrap everything together like webmin can
14:44<damjan>I'm not sure what you mean by "unraid"
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14:44<aterfax[m]>damjan: cheers, its a specific operating system
14:44<petn-randall>!webmin
14:44<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
14:44<petn-randall>!free whcp
14:44<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
14:44<aterfax[m]>Can I paste links?
14:44<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: These might help ^^^
14:45<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: Sure, if you want to share large chunks of data you can use https://paste.debian.net.
14:45<aterfax[m]>petn-randall: does the virtualmin stuff tie in with webmin?
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14:45<aterfax[m]>I just meant the link to Unraid
14:45<petn-randall>Ah, sure.
14:46<aterfax[m]>https://unraid.net/
14:46<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: No idea about virtualmin, I haven't used any web interface for sysadmin stuff.
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14:46<aterfax[m]>Hmm, to be fair. I think VMs might just be better off managed via SSH given my experience of unraid messing up my configs
14:46<petn-randall>:)
14:47<aterfax[m]>Now, this is going to be a very specific question which afaik debian should support
14:47<damjan>there's also https://cockpit-project.org/
14:47<aterfax[m]>I need to have libvirt hand off a network interface to a VM
14:47<aterfax[m]>but - its a dual NIC
14:47<aterfax[m]>I managed it with some kernel option to split pci stuff
14:47<damjan>seems that buster already has 188 in repos
14:48<aterfax[m]>pcie_acs_override
14:48<aterfax[m]>But
14:48<jhutchins_wk>The main reason for having a web admin interface is that you have clients who want to run their own servers and don't know what they're doing.
14:48<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: You can either do PCI passthrough if the NIC has a separate PCI address, or simply bridge the guest's Ethernet device with the host's Ethernet.
14:48<aterfax[m]>I have issues with a kernal compile option
14:49<aterfax[m]>In order for the PCS override to work - the kernel needs a security option turning off due to HP pushing a buggy bios
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14:49<aterfax[m]>RMRR Error Patching - afaik
14:49<aterfax[m]>I'm guessing I'd have to roll my own kernel
14:50<petn-randall>aterfax[m]: Or just keep the stock kernel and bridge those Ethernet devices.
14:50<aterfax[m]>Thing is
14:50<aterfax[m]>the VM I am running is the network gateway and needs the ethernet for the modem
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14:50<aterfax[m]>Can't bridge for security reasons
14:51<aterfax[m]>Really do not want to risk firewall leaking things and packets going the wrong way up and downstream
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14:51<aterfax[m]>Cockpit looks good though, cheers.
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14:53<aterfax[m]>My setup is just super screwy because its basically a box doing VMs, docker apps, NAS, RAID and GPU accelerated transcoding via docker passthrough.
14:53<aterfax[m]>+ gateway being a VM
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14:54<aterfax[m]>bbl - gotta go deal with something
14:54<meeh__>why not just do vmware esx then host debian vm guests?
14:54<aterfax[m]>might be back to pick your brains in a bit
14:55<aterfax[m]>meeh__: I could do that but the machine already runs unraid
14:55<aterfax[m]>unraid is hosting the VMs natively
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14:55<aterfax[m]>unraid itself is very neatly wrapped together
14:56<aterfax[m]>if I was to do vmware I'd end up with 1 host and at least 2 VMs
14:56<aterfax[m]>rather than 1 host 1 VM
14:56<aterfax[m]>I don't want to lose performance basically.
14:56<meeh__>you would gain performance
14:57<aterfax[m]>How? Is ESX really that much better than libvirt?
14:57<meeh__>esx is linux based
14:57<aterfax[m]>unraid is slackware linux.
14:57<aterfax[m]>So I don't really follow?
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14:59<meeh__>slackware, and do not get me wrong as I love zipslack is running something that was losely compiled to run an application, you are in essence running a desktop, then run another application (another vm) inside the application. Your first host gets a lion share of resources and your application gets the remainder.
15:00<meeh__>there is no division of resources
15:00<petn-randall>Eh, what?
15:00<meeh__>where a bare mental hypervisor resource allocation is based upon hardware or limits you set
15:00<aterfax[m]>afaik isn't libvirt taking care of exactly that when I set the options?
15:01<aterfax[m]>I assign the VM allocated resources only it can use
15:01<petn-randall>meeh__: I think you're mixing up libvirt/qemu and docker/other types of ressource sharing.
15:01<meeh__>after resource allocation happens to the primary os
15:01<aterfax[m]>the host can't usurp libvirt allocate resources afaik?
15:02<aterfax[m]>e.g. RAM
15:02<meeh__>Aftermath is this a devbox or a server
15:02<aterfax[m]>Both
15:02<aterfax[m]>Home server
15:02<meeh__>does performance matter?
15:02<meeh__>does uptime matter?
15:02<aterfax[m]>in so much that the performance needs to not bottleneck the gateway network performance
15:03<aterfax[m]>uptime from the point of view of it needing to be online all the time
15:04<meeh__>Well, let me say it another way.. Do you want something you can fine tune every single aspect of resource allocation or do you just want to muck around with guest machines and the idea of virtual machines
15:04<aterfax[m]>Well I do not muck around with them on that box as it is a dedicated gateway / home services box.
15:05<aterfax[m]>But yes, if I wanted to absolutely enforce CPU limits I would need to run a bare metal hypervisor and VMs only
15:05<petn-randall>The reason I didn't use vmware is that it's closed-source.
15:06<aterfax[m]>If the network gateway was switching around gigabit I would have done the latter since I'd need to ensure high enough performance for the gateway
15:06<aterfax[m]>but since its 80:20
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15:06<meeh__>esx = web enabled hypervisor with resource allocation , libvirt, vmware workstation, virtualbox, hyperv, all hypervisors after os resource allocation
15:07<petn-randall>But ... you can allocate resources with all those virtualization stacks?
15:07<aterfax[m]>I know.
15:07<aterfax[m]>not CPU afaik
15:07<petn-randall>Just not as fine-grained CPU utilization like in esx.
15:07<aterfax[m]>the host OS can use 100% of all cores
15:07<RaverWild>hi there! is there a way to restore a graphical session in lxde? for example, i have 4 different programs opened in lxde. then we restart the computer. any way to restore what was previously opened? thanks!
15:07<aterfax[m]>no matter what options you set
15:07<aterfax[m]>But with my box @ load average: 0.52, 0.81, 0.91
15:08<aterfax[m]>the gateway could saturate 1.5 cores
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15:08<aterfax[m]>its fine since its a quad
15:08<aterfax[m]>anyway bbl
15:08<bremner>I think if someone wants to know the advantages of vmware, they can go to #vmware (or whatever)
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15:08<bremner>it's not our job to sell their proprietary solutions
15:08<meeh__>it just comes down to what do you want to do and how do you want to get there
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15:11<aterfax[m]>But - there's kinda a point about not using a host OS virtualisation solution for most real server cases
15:11<aterfax[m]>but as I said
15:11<aterfax[m]>bbl
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15:14<petn-randall>I'm not sure what you mean, since also on esxi the host will consume ressources. Only thing vmware can do is you can give a VM a single core and say "don't let it use more than 37% CPU on this core". You can't do that fine-grained allocation with libvirt/qemu, where you can only assign full cores to VMs.
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15:18<meeh__>you can allocate all the cores you like, or cpus, the host overall pool is number of cpus x number of cores, you can over allocate but thats here nor there. You can use resource pool counters to set the CPU max consumed priority.
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15:19<meeh__>atlas, my orgional point was, if you do put debian 9 or 10 on vmware, just make sure you choose generic linux so the video driver works...
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15:38<El-Diablo>does anyone know whether youtube-dl still works
15:39<sarnold>depends up what site you're scraping
15:39<sarnold>ubuntu 19.04's youtube-dl worked for me to scrape youtube a few days ago, when 18.04's youtube-dl failed
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15:42<El-Diablo>i just want to download video off youtube but im getting error messages
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15:44<El-Diablo>i was thinking maybe i i need to include some options
15:45<petn-randall>I guess you just answered your own question then :)
15:49<El-Diablo>you guess???
15:51<damjan>El-Diablo: I only use the version from pypi
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15:53<rob_debian>Hi all, sorry if my question tends to be too long: Imagine a Debian System that has a terminal similar to mate terminal, konsole, lxterminal, but has no full graphical environment installed, such as mate, kde, lxde, xfce.
15:53<rob_debian>I would like to know if I can install this environment but can open the graphical environment of a firefox app, and not a web browser that onlye opens directly inside the terminal.
15:53<rob_debian>I would also like to know if there is a possibility to be able to use all gnu applications in the same way, so that they can be opened and viewed with their original graphical interface, but without me having to install a full one, such as mate desktop, kde, xfce, lxde, gnome, etc.
15:54<rob_debian>There are a wide variety of applications that can be accessed by the terminal and run on the terminal, but not outside it, all are designed to run within the terminal itself: w3m, finch, alpine, mutt, word grinder, tpp, mc, byobu etc; but this is not exactly what I wanted. Is there this option that I'm looking for a Linux environment, in this case for my Debian?
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15:55<damjan>rob_debian: so you want a minimal window manager?
15:55<damjan>like i3 or awesome or openbox?
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15:55<rob_debian>Hi damjan, thanks for answering ! Yes !
15:56<olasd>rob_debian: the keyword for what you're looking for is "kiosk"; basically it boils down to setting up a minimalist window manager with only one or a few apps in full screen
15:56<rob_debian>My intention is that my Debian be focused in terminal use, but not be forced to run all applications within terminal
15:57<olasd>however locking down a shell (that is, preventing the use of arbitrary commands) won't be very easy without implementing some sort of menu system yourself
15:58<rob_debian>Hi olasd, thank you for attention; damjan told me about 3 options I've heard and openbox I used before. I don't know these options you've mentioned
15:58<bremner>,kiosk
15:58<bremner>!kiosk
15:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/
15:58<bremner>o.O
16:00<rob_debian>Hi bremner, thanks for attention ! I see, damjan, olasd and bremner. I'll read about kiosk and will install it.
16:00<bremner>I meant more the concept of "kiosk", maybe you can find more useful info with that as a keyword
16:00<rob_debian>So, it's possible....damjan mentioned openbox, and I know it, but never installed it in debian.
16:02<olasd>telinit q, wow, a factoid straight from the 80's :P
16:03<rob_debian>Ok bremner, I'll study that. Ah, yeah olasd, probably majority aren't concerned about it anymore :)
16:05<rob_debian>I ask this because 19 years ago, I worked on a UNIX AIX terminal from where I accessed the SAP R / 3 application ('startsap' sap command as root user) and the entire SAP graphical environment was open, not inside the terminal, but through it.
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16:08<rob_debian>Now, proceed to read here: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ Thank you very much for attention, helpfulness and great support, damjan, olasd, bremner ! :)
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16:14<rob_debian> http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ 404 Not Found, I'm too late :(
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16:16<EmleyMoor>Is there anything documented about desktop breakup not affecting the mouse pointer? My HTPC is exhibiting that - the effect looks like the horizontal hold is out!
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16:23<lolcat--007>what are the best restricted bash shell in linux?? i mean if i want one user not be able to use bash shell when he login
16:23<lolcat--007>??
16:24<damjan>cat ? :)
16:25<annadane>meow
16:25<lolcat--007>hahaha
16:25<lolcat--007>lolcat
16:25<EmleyMoor>lolcat--007: What do you want the user to use?
16:26<lolcat--007>EmleyMoor: i just want to restrict the console to some user and i heard rbash is one of the best restricted bash shell
16:26<EmleyMoor>You want the user to have some kind of "almost" bash shell?
16:28<Vergo>dash? :)
16:28<annadane>lolcat--007, "best" is relative
16:28<annadane>read up on them, and see what works for you
16:28<lolcat--007>EmleyMoor: yes
16:28<annadane>i'm not even sure how many restricted bash debian has
16:28<lolcat--007>i mean what a user can do with rbash shell
16:28<lolcat--007>???
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16:29<EmleyMoor>Well, as rbash *is* bash with restrictions as specified in the man page (man rbash), if that is OK for you, try it and see
16:29<annadane>there isn't rbash in debian apparently...
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16:30<EmleyMoor>annadane: There is, it's in the package bash
16:30<annadane>oh. lol.
16:31<lolcat--007>annadane: yes cat /etc/shell
16:31<lolcat--007>and there you see all the bash available
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16:31<annadane>cat: /etc/shell: No such file or directory
16:31<annadane>it's /etc/shells
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16:32<annadane>but okay, didn't know rbash was part of bash
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16:33<lolcat--007>EmleyMoor: ok so how can i set rbash the default shell when the user login in
16:33<lolcat--007>??
16:34<annadane>please try not to put ?? after every message
16:34<annadane>it's just spammy
16:34<EmleyMoor>As root, chsh -s /bin/rbash username
16:35<lolcat--007>annadane: ooh ok
16:35<lolcat--007>now i know
16:35<lolcat--007>EmleyMoor: alright
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16:38<darkorange>hello anyone onine atm ?
16:38<blast007>lots of people. do you have a question about Debian Linux?
16:38<darkorange>oh yes...
16:39<darkorange>I'm stumped with this... but.....
16:41<darkorange>I have an X2Go connection to my server. when I log in remotley I can see an application in the applications menu. But logging in locally I cant. I've been looking for an answer for ages now but theres nothing explaing why the difference.
16:41<darkorange>debain 10
16:42<EmleyMoor>darkorange: What's the application? Is the local login using xorg or wayland?
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16:42<darkorange>the application is Xibo. Installed using snap. Its shown in the start menu for the remote login but not when I logon locally.
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16:43<darkorange>local login ??? is just straight to the XFCE desktop.
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16:45<EmleyMoor>darkorange, How, exactly, are you logging in? Do you log in on a graphical screen or a text login prompt?
16:47<darkorange>For remote login.... I use the X2Go client, (ssh connection). It gives a graphical desktop. For local, just simply at the machine itself.
16:48<EmleyMoor>Yes, but AT THE MACHINE ITSELF, is it a text "login:" prompt or a graphical login screen?
16:49<EmleyMoor>(forget your X2Go, that's working as you want it)
16:49<darkorange>ah sorry, graphics.
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16:50<EmleyMoor>darkorange: Do you know which dm it's running?
16:50*EmleyMoor is familiar with gdm3 but may be a bit lost if it's owt else....
16:51<darkorange>not offhand.... but will be whatever the default debian10 is. Simple basic install selecting XFCE destop during setup.
16:51<EmleyMoor>Ah, now there we differ. You need someone who did similar...
16:52<darkorange>oh bugger !
16:54<darkorange>whats strange is why the destop, although presented the same, should have an application missing from the start menu when logging in locally. It cant even find it. Its as though its a complelty different user !
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16:55<EmleyMoor>darkorange: It *could* be that one way is using old "xorg" , the other wayland, and it's not compatible with one of them... but it's not really possible to prove it without trying the other and that's a case of knowing how, which is done at the login screen.
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16:58<darkorange>I'd agree with that, if the app failed or would not start etc. But its just missing. I'm away from it now (its a works machine) but my last suspicion was something to do with 'paths'. Maybe the remote user path is different somehow than a local user. Not had chance to test it but will look at it tomorrow.
16:59<EmleyMoor>It may be "just missing" because it is "known" incompatible. Have you tried running it from a shell window open in your desktop?
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17:00<darkorange>yes, runs ace !
17:00<EmleyMoor>See if there are any options available on your login screen. Ah, that is odd, then...
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17:00<darkorange>yeah, hence me being here :)
17:01<EmleyMoor>darkorange: But you didn't reveal that last fact until I asked - mind you, I only just thought of suggesting it
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17:05<darkorange>ah yeah sorry. Guess I just never thought about that bit. :( Xibo is a digital signage package. All the management is done on the same server. I use the remote login to admin it and even test it. But now we have actually connected a big monitor to the server and then this issue. Local login cant see the damn app !
17:06<EmleyMoor>darkorange: Which way were you logged in when you installed it?
17:06<darkorange>Install was remote.
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17:06<EmleyMoor>darkorange: Try reinstalling when logged in locally.
17:07<darkorange>guess after looking at paths tomorrow it'll be re-install locally !
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17:08<EmleyMoor>If it runs on a local login when started from a terminal, it's just a circumstances-related desync of something affecting its "otherwise" visibility
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17:10<darkorange>Wierd eh. Hence my wondering about local and remote logins being somehow treated differently even when using the same desktop etc.
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17:10<EmleyMoor>snapd is something of an unknown quantity to me
17:10<darkorange>me too :)
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17:13<darkorange>I find that the more I get to understand Linux the more I realise I how little I actually know. Thats my first snapd install. Ace start eh :)
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17:24<B17>hi
17:24<B17>why buster is so raw?
17:25<B17>many everyday commands desappiared
17:26<annadane>root commands? have you tried using su - instead of su?
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17:28<sarnold>B17: what commands specifically are you missing?
17:29<B17>somehow sudo wasnt even installed
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17:29<B17>so i managed to su root and install it
17:30<B17>btw there if no ifconfig and deb commands
17:30<B17>is*
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17:31<keycollector>sudo should have been there, but i think ifconfig is depreicated and replaced with 'ip'
17:31<keycollector>someone else may know better than me
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17:32<B17>what next will be deprecated? tar?
17:32<B17>or su?
17:32<blast007>B17: if you set a root password during the install, sudo isn't installed as it's assumed you will be using 'su -' to elevate. if you don't set a root password, it will install sudo and set the first user to be able to use sudo.
17:32<Vergo>B17: xorg
17:32<sney>and if you blast through the installer without reading anything, then you might be surprised ^^
17:32<blast007>even mentions some of that that on the root password screen of the installer
17:33<sney>I think the next thing they are trying to deprecate is python2.
17:33<B17>new release is a total fail
17:33<blast007>this isn't a very good troll
17:33<Vergo>sney: true, that too indeed, and I wouldn't be surprised that due to systemd integration something else also gets removed
17:33<B17>i am not trolling
17:33<sney>sudo has not been installed by default if you set a root password since, I think, jessie?
17:34<B17>nope
17:34<B17>sudo was in jessie
17:34<sney>it's definitely not a new thing
17:34<sney>it's installed if you don't set a root password, as debconf explains to you during the install
17:34<blast007>B17: sudo is in buster too
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17:35<B17>somehow my netinstall managed to leave it uninstalled
17:35<sney>because you set a root password.
17:35<sney>and around and around we go
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17:38<sarnold>B17: you can still install ifconfig if you wish, but as more and more software use features that requires iproute2 tools to manipulate, you may find that you break things if you can only manipulate the system with ifconfig
17:39<sarnold>B17: I don't know what the deb command does, nor where you got it -- what does it do?
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17:41<keycollector>How do people stay up to date with the latest commands?
17:41<sney>for stuff like this, reading the release notes is usually enough
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18:03<keycollector>Is this only possible with a luks encrypted img file? https://bit.ly/2KI3q7R
18:03<keycollector>I didnt know luks could create a encrypted file system out of a file.
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18:04<keycollector>Im seeking to mount a encrypted disk remotely over sshfs without the remote computer seeing the traffic, not sure if thats possible unless i go the encrypted img file route. Unless im lost.
18:06<sarnold>keycollector: with the goal of "without the remote computer seeing the traffic" I'd go with an nbd export, and do luks on the mounting machine
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18:09<keycollector>Ill look into ndb, didnt know of its exsistance, seems promising. Thanks
18:10<sarnold>keycollector: (maybe the more modern approach is iscsi; I don't know the relative merits/demerits of the choices though, sorry)
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18:33<garphyle>Howdy, total newb here stuck. I have a .run file to install my nvidia geforce driver. But I can't figure out how to install it.
18:35<bremner>!nvidia
18:35<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
18:35<Fraggle>garphyle: 1. Why? the driver is available in debian
18:36<Fraggle>2. make it executable and run it
18:36<garphyle>I didn't see it. I went and grabbed the leatest greatest from invidia for linux
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18:36<Fraggle>apt search nvidia
18:36<garphyle>it doesn't run as an executable it wants the program to run it.
18:37<bremner>you did read what dpkg wrote, right?
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18:37<garphyle>apt search invidia brought out a serious list
18:38<Fraggle>if you have a recent nvidia card you want the package nvidia-driver
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18:39<Fraggle>if you want the proprietary driver
18:39<garphyle>NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-430.34.run
18:40<Fraggle>!nvidia
18:40<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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18:41<garphyle>thanks
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22:58<znalo>If I see an alioth email address, can I assume it is obsolete?
23:03<znalo>Ah. It seems not. Nevermind.
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