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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-08-14

---Logopened Wed Aug 14 00:00:52 2019
00:03-!-ach [~spooky@ipb218f210.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian
00:03-!-ach is "spooky" on @#spooky #debian
00:05-!-dboehmer___ [~quassel@pD9EA7D84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:05-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:21-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian
00:22-!-schizo [~schizo@2001:e68:5443:5559:14f8:d559:e577:6316] has joined #debian
00:22-!-schizo is "me without a mic is like a beat without a snare" on #oftc #moocows #debian
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00:24-!-AlexDenisov is "AlexDenisov" on #debian
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00:33-!-bpsecret is "bpsecret" on #tor-south #tor-project #tor-dev #tor-bots #redditprivacy #moocows #debian #Qubes_OS
00:34-!-a5baa61e4c9b93f3_ [~a5baa61e4@105.229.100.18] has joined #debian
00:34-!-a5baa61e4c9b93f3_ is "realname" on #debian
00:39-!-trebmuh [~Olivier@trebmuh.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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00:40-!-trebmuh is "Olivier Humbert" on #debian #debian-edu #debian-l10n-fr #debian-live #debian-multimedia #debian-next #linux-rt #oftc
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00:41-!-aaa is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian
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00:44-!-Tiven_ is "Tiven" on #debian
00:46-!-AlexDenisov [~AlexDenis@2a02:8109:9d80:1a90:216f:3556:af99:5764] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
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00:52-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:52-!-sainithin is "sainithin" on #debian
00:56-!-ach [~spooky@ipb218f22f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian
00:56-!-ach is "spooky" on @#spooky #debian
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01:07-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian
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01:09-!-vitwit is "realname" on #debian
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01:16-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian-kde #debian
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01:24-!-mad-gnulx is "Your Name" on #debian
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01:32-!-pi_ is "pi" on #debian
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01:38-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian #debian-next
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01:41-!-KombuchaKip is "purple" on #packaging #vhs #debian
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01:43-!-arnoldoree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #debian-meeting #debian-tech #debian
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01:52-!-handsome_feng is "realname" on #debian #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh
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02:00-!-mearnic_ is "realname" on #debian
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02:04-!-yumkam is "Yuriy M. Kaminskiy" on #debian #debian-multimedia
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02:07-!-rclobus_ is "Roland Clobus" on #debian
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02:08-!-rclobus_ is "Roland Clobus" on #debian
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02:13-!-Tiven_ is "Tiven" on #debian
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02:14-!-eberna is "Emanuele Bernardi" on #debian
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02:18-!-rclobus is "Roland Clobus" on #debian
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02:21-!-Tiven_ is "Tiven" on #debian
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02:30-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian
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02:38-!-jeremiah is "Jeremiah C. Foster" on #debian
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02:38-!-Tiven is "Tiven" on #debian-kde #debian
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02:40-!-Gromit is "Jan-Hendrik Palic" on #debian
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02:43-!-olivierb is "Olivier Bitsch" on #debian
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02:43-!-chkfgh is "akb" on #virtualization #virt #qemu #debian-next #debian #C
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02:47-!-zamuro [~Samantha@85.137.122.114.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
02:47-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian-ve #debian-es #debian
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02:53-!-sadrak|work is "purple" on #debian
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03:00-!-Tiven_ is "Tiven" on #debian
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03:07-!-skitt is "Stephen Kitt" on #debian
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03:07-!-quazgar is "quazgar" on #debian-kde #debian #kde
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03:09-!-Tiven_ is "Tiven" on #debian
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03:13-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #security #debian.or.at #debian-next #debian
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03:14-!-ansel is "Andreas Seltenreich" on #debian
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03:18-!-Gromit is "Jan-Hendrik Palic" on #debian
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03:19-!-sonne is "Alessandro Grassi" on #debian
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03:34-!-zamuro [~Samantha@85.137.122.114.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
03:34-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian-ve #debian-es #debian
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03:51-!-AlexDenisov is "AlexDenisov" on #debian
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03:54-!-enyc_ is "enyc" on #qemu #debian
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04:08-!-jmux is "Jan-Marek Glogowski" on #debian
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04:09-!-Delta-One is "P.F." on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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04:17-!-dust is "dust" on #debian #debian-next
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04:17-!-dust is "dust" on #debian #debian-next
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04:20-!-yumkam is "Yuriy M. Kaminskiy" on #debian #debian-multimedia
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04:20-!-Grefoley is "The Lounge User" on #debian
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05:03<EmleyMoor>I've got a reasonably new install of Debian on a machine I intended as part of my AV setup. It worked very nicely on a conventional monitor, but when moved to my AV setup, the desktop display is garbled, looking like the effect 0you get on an old TV if the horizontal hold is way off, but with the mouse pointer still OK. (https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na) Text mode display is perfectly normal. What do I need t
05:03<EmleyMoor>o do to fix this?
05:05<sonne>EmleyMoor, could it be that you're using a video mode that is not supported by that display?
05:05<EmleyMoor>sonne: It *could* be, but the question is rather "how to use a supported one"
05:05<sonne>if you can ssh to that, try running -> DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
05:06<sonne>it should show which modes the video card can do and which one you're using, that's a start
05:06<EmleyMoor>Only console access... but I have that output...
05:07<EmleyMoor>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192
05:07<EmleyMoor>XWAYLAND0 connected 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 530mm x 300mm
05:07<EmleyMoor>1366x768 59.62*+
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05:08<sonne>and that 59.x is the only refresh rate that shows up right?
05:08<EmleyMoor>Yes
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05:08<sonne>that's weird
05:09<sonne>especially the mouse pointer part. could you try switching between wayland/xorg?
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05:09<EmleyMoor>sonne: How do I do that without access to the chooser?
05:09<sonne>very good question
05:10*EmleyMoor is tempted to bring the machine back in here, resolve that then try again
05:10<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately I currently have an animal settled on me
05:10<sonne>EmleyMoor, what if you just startx?
05:11<sonne>just stop whatever dm you have first and try startx-ing, it shold run xorg
05:11<EmleyMoor>I'll have to try...
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05:18<EmleyMoor>Something is preventing me conclusively stopping it
05:18<sonne>how so?
05:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 600] by debhelper
05:19<EmleyMoor>It comes back at once. Something keeps it alive
05:19<sonne>how are you stopping it?
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05:20<EmleyMoor>systemctl stop gdm3
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05:24<EmleyMoor>Just set WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
05:25<sonne>ah nice
05:25<sonne>weird that it restarts but nice that you found that
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05:25<EmleyMoor>Picture now good
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05:25<sonne>so it was wayland breaking your setup?
05:26<EmleyMoor>Yes
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05:26<sonne>awesome.
05:26*sonne feels good about his hunch
05:27<amoe>Is it likely that firefox-esr 68 will appear in buster?
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05:28<EmleyMoor>Not the first problem I've had from wayland and I dare say it won't be the last
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05:29<sonne>amoe, current esr is 60
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05:29<sonne>did you mean regular firefox?
05:30*EmleyMoor thinks it's worth a trip into the loft to hunt a WiFi dongle now
05:30<amoe>sonne: I think that 60 and 68 are both ESR at the moment.
05:31<amoe>I know that 60 is the first one offered through the esr landing page, but https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/ shows them both
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05:31<sonne>amoe, good point, i just noticed that
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05:36<fmz>hello?
05:36<sonne>hello!
05:37<grove>amoe: Yes, but history shows us that the new ESR won't enter stable until the old goes out of maintenance
05:37<sonne>grove, do you have a link for said history? i tried to snoop around p.q.d.o but couldn't really find it
05:37<fmz>anyone? after i installing nvidia 940mx always black screen
05:38<sonne>fmz, i don't have any experience with nvidia hardware in the last 10 years, but maybe you could search the xorg log for clues
05:39<fmz>sonne,ok.
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05:45<amoe>grove: ah ok, thanks
05:45<amoe>grove: that is useful to know
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06:03<GyrosGeier>can we set systemd on fire please?
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06:04<GyrosGeier>apt just wanted to convert my server to systemd in order to install python-wxgtk3.0
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06:04<GyrosGeier>why on earth would that be necessary
06:04<sonne>GyrosGeier, "convert"?
06:05<sonne>shouldn't your debian be running systemd already?
06:05<GyrosGeier>I'm running sysvinit
06:05<GyrosGeier>because it's a server
06:05<sonne>non sequitur but ok
06:05<GyrosGeier>I installed the box ten years ago
06:05<sonne>it's probably somewhere in the dependencies, what other packages would it want to install?
06:06<GyrosGeier>probably dbus via glib-networking-services
06:06<sonne>GyrosGeier, right, but unless you're running some very very EOL release, at some point you had to upgrade to some stable that uses systemd
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06:07<GyrosGeier>sure, but I could just stick with sysvinit and it would remain running
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06:07<GyrosGeier>didn't even have to reboot during the buster upgrade :)
06:08<GyrosGeier>this situation is new though: I just want to build a program that uses python-wxgtk, because the server has faster CPUs than the laptop
06:10<GyrosGeier>so apparently I'm supposed to build in a Docker container now
06:11<grove>sonne: I think I saw that pattern looking at tracker.debian.org (and probably some mozilla site to find the dates, they stopped supporting ESR versions), but I have no official sources for it
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06:51<EmleyMoor>I found a USB WiFi dongle in my loft - it's a D-Link DWL-G122. Debian can "see" it, and see my wireless network through it, but it does not complete connecting. I fetched firmware-misc-nonfree as I thought it might be needed, but still no go. Can someone advise?
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06:53<sonne>EmleyMoor, you can see the firmware issues, if any, on dmesg. Otherwise just check whatever error you see on whatever step of the connection is giving problems...
06:54<EmleyMoor>sonne: It looks like authentication with my AP is just timing out
06:54<sonne>EmleyMoor, that's usually wrong wpa key. But check logs for wpa_supplicant, maybe the system journal is enough
06:55<EmleyMoor>It's the right key...
06:55<sonne>EmleyMoor, sudo journalctl -a --unit=wpa_supplicant
06:56<sonne>add a `-f` if you want to track in real time what happens so you can retry associating with your AP, it's same as `tail -f`
06:58<blast007>do you have MAC filtering on the AP?
06:59<EmleyMoor>blast007: No. Switched it to permit WPA as well as WPA2 on the relevant band just now, as part of working this out
07:00<EmleyMoor>Not helped
07:01<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1095732/
07:01<blast007>tried rebooting the AP?
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07:03<m680>Hello
07:03<EmleyMoor>Rebooting now (though odd it's only really affecting this, Tesco rule applies
07:04<blast007>EmleyMoor: and do you have firmware-ralink installed?
07:04<blast007>(regarding rebooting the AP, I've experienced a TP-Link AP that was working fine for the people already on it, but my device wouldn't successfully connect until we rebooted it)
07:04<EmleyMoor>blast007: firmware-ralink is a dummy package depending on firmware-misc-nonfree, which is installed
07:04<blast007>ah
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07:05<EmleyMoor>No change to situation
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07:08<EmleyMoor>How can I troubleshoot this further?
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07:09<blast007>dunno if I'd put too much effort into an 11g dongle
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07:10<EmleyMoor>blast007: I can't afford to do anything else
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07:21<EmleyMoor>I'm not asking to put "too much" effort in nonetheless... I do have a friend who is going through her spares too
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07:25<blast007>yeah, just meaning it may be harder to find recent info about this device. everything I was finding was from ~2006 and was either talking about a 2.6 kernel and building some driver, or talking about using the Windows driver through ndiswrapper
07:26<blast007>is ndiswrapper still a thing?
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07:27<EmleyMoor>It's missing "gusting" in its name whether it is or not
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07:52<EmleyMoor>I am actually quite ashamed of my antiques most of the time. Other times I'm proud of the clapped out old rubbish!
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08:08<josch>By passing ip=::::::dhcp to my kernel cmdline I can access my initramfs from afar. Does something similar exist for the Debian system that gets booted after the initramfs? It seems that in /etc/network/interfaces I need to know the interface name. But when I prepare a system image then I don't know the name of the network interface in advance now that it will not be named eth0 anymore.
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08:09<josch>So how can I instruct the userspace to setup networking via dhcp for an unknown network interface? It must be possible somehow because the kernel is able to do make it work.
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08:15<TotallyNotKim>josch: for a quick hack fix you can use net.ifnames=0 bios.devname=0 as kernel parameters to revert to the old schema, BUT that will likely not last forever
08:15<TotallyNotKim>can you give some context?
08:16<TotallyNotKim>what kind of images are these? Something you use, or may different people? For your own hardware you can predict the names, or maybe something like cloud init idk
08:16<TotallyNotKim>many*
08:16<josch>TotallyNotKim: I'm preparing a script that builds machine images and thus I cannot know the network interface name before the image is getting executed on the target (virtual) machine.
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08:16<josch>And I would like to avoid having to run a "first boot" script.
08:16<TotallyNotKim>what kind of hardware does the vm emulate?
08:17<TotallyNotKim>networking that uis
08:17<TotallyNotKim>e1000 or virtio or something and is that consistent?
08:17<josch>I know how to get the answer if I know the target hardware. But I would like to make it general.
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08:17<josch>It's okay if the answer is: it's not possible.
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08:18<TotallyNotKim>it's probably possible, but I do not know the answer
08:18<josch>TotallyNotKim: Are you sure it's bios.devname and not biosdevname?
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08:19<TotallyNotKim>josch: biosdevname, I did not test it on debian
08:19<TotallyNotKim>biosdevname might be an ubuntu thing
08:20<uumas>josch: So you just want to get an ip from dhcp? Should be doable by starting NetworkManager or dhcpcd on boot.
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08:21<josch>uumas: But dhcpcd will not bring up network interfaces, no?
08:22<josch>uumas: and NetworkManager also needs to be configured which requires the interface name
08:23<EmleyMoor>Any final ideas on why my D-Link DWL-G122 isn't succeeding in authenticating on my wireless network, before I deem it a non-starter?
08:23<TotallyNotKim>uumas: the installer puts the first / all (?) interfaces into /etc/network/interfaces, which won't be sufficient if it's an image that will be deployed to different hw afterwards
08:23<TotallyNotKim>at least thats what I understood
08:23<josch>I'm also thinking about this udev rule:
08:23<josch>SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="$(cat /sys/class/net/en*/address)", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
08:24<uumas>josch: I haven't tested it too much, but it's definitely doable in a disk image. Debian based live images use NetworkManager and Arch uses dhcpcd and both work on any supported hardware without further configuration.
08:24<josch>Which should name whatever ethernet network device there is eth0, assuming there is only one
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08:24<josch>uumas: The live images use a startup script that does the configuration.
08:25<uumas>Well, you can do that then right?
08:25<TotallyNotKim>so whats against some script/systemd unit detecting first boot and applying that stuff once?
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08:26<josch>TotallyNotKim: If it's not necessary, then I would like to avoid such a script. That's why I was asking here if it's possible to do without. :)
08:26<EmleyMoor>Ewww.... vnc is working horribly on that box...
08:30<EmleyMoor>Anyway, that wireless adaptor doesn't access my phone's hotspot either...
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08:49<Neolex>Hey guys I have an issue with my debian 9
08:50<Neolex>the mouse stop working after something like 30 minutes after boot , and when i restart the pc it works back
08:50<Neolex>do you have an idea from where could be the issue ?
08:55<grove>Neolex: How is the mouse attached? Does it help to re-plug it? Can you see anything in the logs? Does it also happen if you don't you the machine?
08:55<Neolex>its attached with usb and the touchpad is still working
08:55<Neolex>the only way to make it work again looks like rebooting
08:56<bremner>Neolex: restarting the user session doesn't help?
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08:56<Neolex>I can try
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08:58<neolex>no it doesnt do anything
08:58<neolex>which log should i check ?
08:59<meeh_>try a different usb port
08:59<neolex>i tried and it doesnt work neither
08:59<meeh_>try a different mouse
09:00<neolex>same
09:00<neolex>only rebooting make the mouses back again
09:00<neolex>i think all the usb doesnt work
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09:00<neolex>i plugged an usb key and its not recognized
09:01<lsdeb> I have a Positivo Model Q432A notebook, Intel Atom Quad-Core, it has no RJ45 input. I performed the installation of Buster, but the graphical interface it rises sometimes after it darkens. And when I try to switch terminals it goes off like it's going into sleep mode every 3 seconds. Could you guide me in installing debian on this notebook? I performed debian 9 Strech installation with Mate graphical interface, it worked, but hangs.
09:02<meeh_>dmesg | less | grep usb
09:02<meeh_>what do you get
09:02<neolex>dmesg is poluted with a weird message for a while
09:03<neolex>[10226.173624] i2c_hid i2c-ETD2303:00: i2c_hid_get_input: incomplete report (14/65535)
09:03<meeh_>i didnt ask you for your opinion
09:03<meeh_>:)
09:03<neolex>so i see only that in it
09:03<neolex>so your command gives me nothing
09:04<grove>It was dmesg I mostly thought of when I talked about logs too, does lsusb show your device? Does the usb-stick work in the first 30 minutes?
09:04<meeh_>try as root or sudo
09:05<neolex>lsusb gives me nothing which is plugged
09:05<neolex>only touchpad and card reader (already in the laptop)
09:05<neolex>I think the usb stick would work if i reboot
09:06<meeh_>get us the hardware detail, in a termain type inxi -Fxz
09:06<neolex>here is my dmesg =/ https://termbin.com/bm53
09:07<neolex>https://termbin.com/u18s
09:07<neolex>erf there is color
09:08<meeh_>inxi -Fxz
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09:08<neolex>is there a way to remove colors ?
09:08<neolex>because its unreadable in the pastebin
09:08<grove>neolex: I could understand if those hid messages disturbed things so your other input devices seemed not to work. But then your usbstick would be unaffected, and your keyboard would be
09:09<neolex>https://termbin.com/q5g4
09:09<meeh_>open up notepad or gpad or vi, or what ever text editor you like
09:09<meeh_>better yet
09:09<meeh_>inxi -Fxz > mycomputer.txt
09:09<neolex>i reboot to see if the usb stick work ?
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09:10<neolex> meeh_ > https://termbin.com/q5g4 here is inxi
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09:10<neolex>its like something disable my usb ports
09:11<neolex>yesterday it was ok
09:11<grove>neolex: It might provice useful information, but might also delay further debugging for 30 minutes, so I would wait until you have more things to try on a freshly booted machine
09:11<neolex>ok
09:11<neolex>thanks
09:13<meeh_>flash your bios
09:13<neolex>I never did that :/
09:14<Pogo>Hi all. I came looking for the debian-arm channel and couldn't find it. I want to install Debian on my Samsung Chromebook, first as a live USB and then to overwrite Chromeos, as Google has announce that they have ended support for my Chromebook. Can someone point me to the right channel or to somewhere on the Debian web site?
09:14<neolex>I think im on uefi
09:14<meeh_>https://techtablets.com/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/downloads/
09:15<neolex>which one should i use ?
09:15<neolex>Xiaomi Mi Notebook Pro Bios 906 Feb 2019 ?
09:15<meeh_>Thats the latest
09:15<meeh_>I would go with that
09:16<neolex>its dll and exe meeh_
09:16<meeh_>Pogo, I would do a net install. Just get a thumb drive flash it with the debian network install iso
09:16<meeh_>and go from there
09:17<neolex>https://termbin.com/tc2s
09:19<meeh_>I would contact the manufacturers stech support and ask them if there is a way to download / flash the bios without windows
09:19<meeh_>usually there is
09:19<meeh_>they build windows installers for people who do not know there is a choice
09:19<Pogo>Thanks meeh. Being a bit new here (all my other machines are x86) will the install iso include the arm version?
09:20<EmleyMoor>I can't update my ThinkPad because the bootable updater is not working...
09:20<meeh_>Pogo, if you go here, click the ARM64 link, you will be all set
09:20<meeh_>https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
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09:22<meeh_>EmleyMoor, are you experiencing an issue with your laptop that requires a bios update?
09:22<meeh_>if you arnt, Dont bother with it
09:22<EmleyMoor>Fortunately, no... but in the event that I did, it would be a pain
09:23<meeh_>Even with Windows, they can be a pain
09:23<Pogo>Thanks again, meeh.
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09:23<EmleyMoor>I'm not sure, short of an upgrade to SSD, there's really much more life in it anyway
09:24<meeh_>if its sata I ssd wont do much, if its sata 2 ssd will be a major performance boost
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09:31<neolex>meeh_: xiaomi support says it is not possible to flash bios without windows
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09:34<meeh_>download reactos and run it as a livecd
09:34<meeh_>then download the file and see if you cant execute it
09:34<meeh_>or find someone with windows 10 enterprise and create a Windows 10 on the Go instal on a USB stick
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09:36<GyrosGeier>one of these days I need to reverse engineer the Windows network installer
09:36<GyrosGeier>and build a tool that you can point a PXEboot to
09:37<neolex>wine is not a possiblity ?
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09:37<neolex>are you sure it doesnt come from debian ?
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09:38<neolex>I know how to create bootable linux usb but I have no idea for windows
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09:39<meeh_>WIndows 10 Enterprise has such a tool
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09:39<neolex>erf I dont know anyone with it
09:39<neolex>my family have the basics windows
09:39<Pogo>Download complete. I'm out. Thanks for getting me started. I'll probably be back when setting up.
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09:39<meeh_>Its in Control Panel, Choose "Show ____ Icons" so it shows all options, click "Windows to Go" Pop in your USB stick, click next
09:40<meeh_>You could try wine
09:40<meeh_>you could try ReactOs
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09:42<sonne>iirc there's a floss project that creates usb installers for win10
09:42<sonne>https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB
09:45<neolex>I dont want to install windows
09:46<neolex>I ll try react os
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10:20<fdelapena>what about wine?
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10:25<Neolex>reactos gives me bluescreen ...
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10:27<meeh_>It was worth a shot
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10:30<Neolex>maybe it s just a config issue ?
10:30<Neolex>it worked nicely yesterday
10:30<Neolex>its really annoying =/
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10:36<meeh_>with usb devices, who knows. usually they start to flake out
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10:37<meeh_>oddly enough my longest working mouse, was a microsoft optical mouse version 2.. used it for 10 years
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10:37<Neolex>yes old hardware was more robust
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10:38<Neolex>and if it s a hardware issue, why all ports are not working ?
10:38<Neolex>it's weird
10:38<meeh_>still works, i just got really tired of trying to clean it and having to carry around this long corded mouse to meetings on my laptop
10:39<Neolex>^^
10:39<meeh_>USB deviecs are flaky
10:39<meeh_>they get a universal unique hardware id,
10:39<Neolex>I think the garanty is not valid because i changed the os
10:40<meeh_>if that part of the controller is off on that device or if the usb contacts are dirty, or do not properly read that, usually causes issues
10:40<Neolex>I sent a mail to the store where i bought it
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10:40<meeh_>Just reformat it
10:40<meeh_>lol
10:41<Neolex>^^
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10:41<Neolex>it was an obscure chinese version x)
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10:41<meeh_>so it was pirated anyways
10:41<meeh_>lol
10:41<Neolex>maybe not obscure
10:41<Neolex>but it was chinese
10:42<Neolex>xiaomi are chinese and they dont make multi language installation
10:42<Neolex>i was hard to complete the installation for a french guy xD
10:42<Neolex>it*
10:43<meeh_>heh
10:43<meeh_>i can only imagine
10:43<Neolex>maybe they'll understand that a changed the version if its a french store
10:43<Neolex>i hope
10:43<meeh_>first thing i do when i get a new laptop or pc is boot it up, make sure it works, then immediately reinstall the os
10:43<Neolex>^^
10:44<meeh_>just tell them its all messed up and came that way
10:44<Neolex>with debian ? xD
10:44<meeh_>naw windows
10:44<meeh_>lol
10:44<Neolex>ah x)
10:44<meeh_>download windows 10 iso eval from microsoft
10:45<meeh_>burn it
10:45<meeh_>reinstall it
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10:45<Neolex>flash the bios and reinstall debian ?
10:45<meeh_>you can try that
10:45<meeh_>if that fails then reinstall and return it
10:45<meeh_>lol
10:46<Neolex>x) it's so boring to do
10:46<meeh_>I use Dell at work and ASUS rogs athome
10:46<Neolex>i hate installing os's xD
10:46<meeh_>me too, always messes up settings
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12:11<m0th3rsup3r10r>hi i found a bug in the xfce weather app . . . the api it is using has deprecated the version 1.1 it is using
12:11<m0th3rsup3r10r>it uses sunrise 2.0 now
12:11<m0th3rsup3r10r>where do i file the bug?
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13:13<SKaplan>If /etc/debian_version contains "buster/sid" is that machine a pre-release version of Buster? I know Ubuntu uses buster/sid in there's, but this is definitely a machine running Debian. Or has the numbering convention in /etc/debian_version changed?
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13:14<sicelo>SKaplan: that seems (to me) to be an outdated sid installation, if that's a debian installation, of course
13:15<SKaplan>Relatively sure it's Debian. The dpkg list is full of "deb" instead of "ubuntu".
13:16<SKaplan>And I told them "Hey, maybe update this machine with a proper release buster install" but you know, I don't think they will.
13:16<noahm>SKaplan: The content of that file doesn't really tell you anything other than something about the version of the 'base-files' package you have installed.
13:16<noahm>I suppose it also does indicate that you're not running an up-to-date installation of a stable release of any kind
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13:17<SKaplan>Yeah it's a sid for buster. That's probably not getting updated anymore.
13:17<sicelo>what is the correct way to determine if you're running debian? :)
13:17<noahm>the output of 'apt policy base-files` is probably going to be informative
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13:19<sicelo>seems `lsb_release -a` can help too
13:19<SKaplan>You're not going to run apt policy base-files before you know you're on a Debian machine.
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13:22<SKaplan>That's funny. base-files dpkg reads as version 10.1 in this case. Hm.
13:22<annadane>i'm 10.3 on buster
13:23<noahm>SKaplan: why not? 'apt policy' is a read-only operation
13:23<jelly>,v base-files
13:23<judd>Package: base-files on amd64 -- jessie: 8+deb8u11; stretch: 9.9+deb9u9; buster: 10.3; bullseye: 11; sid: 11
13:23<SKaplan>10.3 after a month? Okay, weird.
13:23<noahm>The output will tell you what repository the package came from
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13:24<noahm>If you're not on a Debian machine, the output will indicate as much.
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13:26<SKaplan>Thank you for these clarifications. I'm going to see what apt policy says their source for base-files is.
13:26<jelly>10.3 since May according to the changelog
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13:26<SKaplan>Well in that case 10.1 is really heinously out of date.
13:27<annadane>may be a botched dist-upgrade, see what other packages are older
13:27<jelly>I had 10.1 around 2018-10-29
13:27<SKaplan>More like they never tried to run dist-upgrade. Will that try to push them up to 10.3?
13:28<jelly>if the sources.list point to buster only, yes
13:28<noahm>Is buster the prefered source for base-files, according to 'apt policy'?
13:28<noahm>If so, then yes, dist-upgrade should bring them up-to-date
13:29<SKaplan>And if I see sources from Jessie or below, I should... I can't think of a funny yet appropriate analogy.
13:29<jelly>buster/sid could indeed have been pulled from buster while it was testing, or from unstable
13:29<SKaplan>I should tell them to do it better.
13:29<jelly>!bat
13:29<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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13:30<grove>noahm: A reason not to run `apt<anything>` on a system you don't know to be a debian is that you can't be sure what that command might do
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13:30<SKaplan>It's probably not going to break the world if you run apt<anything> on an IOS device. But if it does, good.
13:31<noahm>if 'apt policy base-files' does something meaningful but unexpected on a non-debian system, then you can't have any trust in that system anyway.
13:31<noahm>because that can only have been put there by somebody acting out of malice.
13:31<SKaplan>That's fair.
13:32<noahm>And that some sort of malicious change can just as easily be installed on a Debian system.
13:32<jhutchins_wk>I think it would just be sid, not buster/sid, if it were unstable and not testing.
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13:32<igor>лллл
13:33<igor>тест
13:33<igor>тест
13:33<jhutchins_wk>you can check uname -a and see what the kernel says.
13:33<igor>тест
13:33<sicelo>igor: no need to test. we can 'see' you
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13:33<noahm>jhutchins_wk: before the freeze, buster and sid frequently had the same version of base-files, so they were indistinguishable.
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13:34<SKaplan>Funny you should mention that. I have it. "Linux (hostname) 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
13:34<noahm>That is an out of date buster kernel.
13:35<SKaplan>But I didn't find it all that enlightening. I'm sure when I get the results of apt policy on base-files it'll tell me something horrid.
13:35<SKaplan>Yer dang right it is. I know that well.
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13:36<SKaplan>Thanks for the answers.
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15:13<mk3pq28>Hi folks! May someone clarify me a moment with laptop lid`s closing detection? By configuration i expect suspend mode when lid closing (settings in kde`s power management section and /etc/systemd/logind unit), but it does not work. dmesg shows nothing on close/open
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15:14<mk3pq28>But an interesting momen. cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state shows proper state: close / open changes there
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15:17<mk3pq28>And one more. Looking at /proc/bus/input/devices i found than "Lid switch" is bound onto event2, but evtest /dev/input/event2 also shows nothing
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15:28<meeh_>maybe the sensor is not loaded
15:28<meeh_>or maybe your motherboard is not fully supported
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15:28<meeh_>and if your drive(s) are ssd, you do not want to use sleep / hybernate anyways
15:29<meeh_>those are just excessive read/writes that will prematurely kill your ssd drive
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15:35<raisen>I just did a clean install of Debian buster and when I open the gnome Software application I get "No Application Data Found". I tried appsteamcli refresh-cache --verbose and returned "AppStream cache update is not necessary". Any ideas?
15:35<mk3pq28>meeh_: but since /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state shows proper value, the hardware should be working?
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15:36<meeh_>I think it is working but it may not be properly linked to the power settings
15:36<meeh_>I had this problem years ago with a thinkpad
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15:38<meeh_>back tomorrow
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15:39<mk3pq28>meeh_: also, yep, my drive is ssd. But there is an opinion that ssd lifetime for non-enterprize usage is good enough. Anyway this point is out of scope at the moment)
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15:45<mk3pq28>meeh_: i suggest power settings are using systemd-logind configuration. That one in turn looks for acpid events. And that events are generated by signals obtained by kernel from /sys/devices branch. But i`m not sure about that
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16:16<EmleyMoor>Whether I use tigervnc or x11vnc, I find I get lots of pointer moving trouble... find it very difficult to cope with
16:17<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: Yup, that's VNC.
16:18<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk, Since when? It was as smooth as anything on all pre-buster attempts
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16:22<EmleyMoor>It's gone from usable to useless in practically a bristow
16:23<EmleyMoor>Is there something else I can use to enable me to operate a system (with a screen attached) from a nearby laptop or smartphone?
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16:28<thsnr>,info synergy
16:28<judd>No package named 'synergy' was found in buster/amd64.
16:28<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: ssh?
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16:30<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: I can certainly do things with ssh, but I need to be able to control the desktop as displayed on the screen, as with a keyboard and mouse
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16:35<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: Usually poor pointer movement is a result of a poor network connection, but this sounds local. Check for background processes eating performance.
16:36<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: This is indeed local, and not what you suggest. Do you have a non-VNC suggestion?
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16:37<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: X-forwarding is sort of the opposite of what you need.
16:37<sqrt{not}>wireless-usb or bluetooth mouse/keyboard ?
16:37<EmleyMoor>So, X-reversing???
16:37<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: I take it it wouldn't be practical to just control the desktop from a shell session.
16:37<Vergo>if vnc isn't reliable then x-forwarding is even less likely to be
16:38<EmleyMoor>sqrt{not}: The perfect, expensive solution
16:38<jhutchins_wk>Vergo: Doesn't seem to be a network issue, it was working, and it's local.
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16:39<EmleyMoor>The *only* problem with VNC is that the pointer ditzes about all over the place, unless, that is, I actually bother with a vnc viewer. Come to think of it, it's OK with a viewer, it could just be x2vnc at fault
16:41<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: There are other vnc servers/viewers available.
16:42<Vergo>in the old days, clean the mouse ball would have been the first suggestion :)
16:43<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: The configuration options can be hard to wade through, and some combinations don't work. Somebody probably set some default for a hotrod video card or something.
16:43<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: But is there another vnc-based dual screen hack?
16:43<jhutchins_wk>Ah, that's one thing: reduce the resolution.
16:43<jhutchins_wk>You want to control two screens remotely?
16:43<Vergo>reducing the color depth may also have some effect
16:44<EmleyMoor>It's perfectly fine if I use vinagre, but that's wasteful as it shows me the same as is on a screen I can see
16:44<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: No, one screen remotely
16:44<jhutchins_wk>aptitude search vnc | grep -v lib
16:45<EmleyMoor>x2vnc is a "no display, go off the edge" type of thing
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16:46<EmleyMoor>x2vnc - Link a VNC and an X display together, simulating a multiheaded display - does what I'd want in theory but no longer works at all well in practice
16:46<jhutchins_wk>I'm not really following you, but most vnc servers have the option to either show the curent local session or to start a new session for the remote connection. Some let you choose on startup, some can be ridiculous to configure the non-default choice.
16:46<EmleyMoor>This is not a vnc server isue, it is a vnc client issue
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16:49<EmleyMoor>Running a vnc viewer when you can see the screen you are controlling seems rather "overkill", but until I can afford a wireless KPD, I will have to live with it, it seems
16:51<EmleyMoor>A Logitech K400 Plus might do, but it will be a while before I can afford one
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16:53<EmleyMoor>There are a few options on the market
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17:00<aloo_shu>I've tried a few, x11vnc is the one I've stuck with, specifically since it comes with a working graphical setup tool, invoked with x11vnc -gui
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17:00<aloo_shu>not super sure about multihead
17:00<jhutchins_wk>Good luck.
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17:00<EmleyMoor>x11vnc performs as badly as any when accessed with x2vnc
17:01<aloo_shu>but I'd expect it's possible
17:01<EmleyMoor>vino is fine if using vinagre. Can't get that one to accept x2vnc at all
17:02<EmleyMoor>(not compatible with wayland, but then again this machine doesn't even display stuff properly with wayland, on the AV setup
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17:03<aloo_shu>there are some options that can improve performance, but tbh, it's been a while, I'm stuck with a diff problem - having kbd & mouse local, only display in the strict sense remotely
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17:09<aloo_shu>xdmx supposedly can link any xservers into multi head setups
17:09<aloo_shu>was a bit buggy when I tried it in jessie
17:09<aloo_shu>would also be even more overhead
17:10<aloo_shu>but maybe a way to work with the vino-vinagre duo , if the vnc server is at the same time an xserver, haven't tried vino
17:10<EmleyMoor>I think I'll manage using vinagre on my laptop or a vnc viewer on my phone for now, where necessary (it's only for maintenance or tasks that can't be done in kodi or over ssh)
17:13<EmleyMoor>Hope someone finds/buys me something to connect the machine to WiFi soon - will go wired when I can afford to
17:14<aloo_shu>for my use case (broken laptop display), androvnc + x11vnc well configured turned out to be good enough, tigervnc could be made working as well, compromising with colors, and setting up a tethered rndis rather than wireless connection sped up things for me
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23:57<police>bjr svp j'aimerai que vous m'aidiez je voudrais installe ionic sur ubuntu mais cela refuse. en passant j'ai bien installer nodejs et npm mais cordova et ionic refuse
23:59<annadane>police, c'est #debian ici, pas ubuntu
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