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00:25<chrystian>Hi guys I'm trying to power on numlock on splash screen someone can guideme?
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01:57<hsny>last week i've upgraded from stretch to buster. since then my system went slow, it crashes all day long, it's been a bad week? how should i go about troubleshooting it? thanks
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03:01<gpled>Tried to run an nvidia-settings and it broke my desktop. Is there a command I can run to repair the desktop environment?
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03:03<dboles>what exactly did you run, and what exactly broke how?
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03:04<stuffi>hi
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03:06<dboles>damn, lost them
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03:11<gpled>think it was nvidia control panel. seem to work ok, but when i rebooted, and logged in, i would get a message saying the desktop manager could not load
03:11<gpled>i can only see a few icons
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03:14<gpled>i can get at command line. was hoping for a command to reinstall desktop
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03:21<ach>failsafe or ctrl + alt + f3
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03:28<jm_>why do you think reinstalling it will help?
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03:29<sezuan>I'm searching for the stretch backports kernel headers. I suppose it's called linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 but I can't find it.
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03:31<jm_>sezuan: why not simply install say linux-headers-amd64 and let apt find it?
03:32<jm_>it depends on linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 for strech bpo
03:35<sezuan>jm_: it doesn't find it. https://paste.debian.net/1096931/
03:39<gpled>getting the message cinnamon crashed, running in fallback mode
03:39<sezuan>hm. packages.debian.org doesn't know anything about such package.
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03:40<jm_>sezuan: run apt update and try again
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03:42<jm_>sezuan: looking at that paste, you have old kernel from bpo installed, you can try and find headers for that one on the snapshot site
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03:52<sezuan>jm_: As far as I understand packages.debian.org, I've installed the latest backports kernel: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-amd64 -> https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 which is 4.19.37-4~bpo9+1.
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03:53<sezuan>But yes, it seems that the headers are at the snapshot site. Thank you!
03:53<jm_>look at your previous paste, it says Installed: 4.9+80+deb9u7
03:54<jm_>so I assumed that one matches your installed kernel (obviously my assumption may be wrong)
03:55<sezuan>The meta package have strange version number.
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03:57<jm_>yes, and the current one is 4.19+105~bpo9+1, your installed one is +80
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04:03<sezuan>jm_: exactly, the headers meta packages can't be updated because of missing dependencies. The can only be fulfilled by fetching the packages from the snapshot site.
04:08<jm_>sezuan: yeah maybe consider upgrading the kernel :)
04:10<sezuan>jm_: The latest kernel is already installed, but the headers are not in stretch-backports. So there's nothing to upgrade.
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04:12<jm_>I give up
04:13<sezuan>Even packages.debian.org says that the headers are missing.
04:15<sezuan>Do you agree that this is latest 4.19 in stretch-backports: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/kernel/linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1)?
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04:18<jm_>if we focus on stretch bpo, latest kernel is 4.19+105~bpo9+1, latest kernel headers package is 4.19+105~bpo9+1 which most certainly is there
04:19<sezuan>https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-headers-amd64 says 'Package not available'
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04:20<sezuan>May it's available for other architectures.
04:20<sezuan>*maybe
04:20<jm_>it does not say not available for me
04:21<sezuan>Weired.
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04:21<jm_>i.e. on http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest/ -> linux-headers-arm64_4.19+105~bpo9+1_arm64.deb is there
04:22<sezuan>I see on the page: (red dot) dep: linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 \n Package not available
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04:24<jm_>ok now I get what you are trying to tell me, it's dependency is not there
04:29<jm_>but the file linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64_4.19.37-4~bpo9+1_amd64.deb exists on at least .de mirror
04:30<jm_>,versions linux-headers-amd64
04:30<judd>Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 5.2+106
04:30<jm_>,versions linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
04:30<judd>No package named 'linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64' was found in amd64.
04:30<sezuan>I got it from the snapshot site. There were even more dependencies missing. linux-kbuild-4.19 and linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86.
04:38<jm_>looks like a new version is on the way, maybe related
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07:48<meeh_>You can however put multiple graphics cards in a box
07:49<meeh_>works best if they are of the same memory speed
07:49<meeh_>and type
07:49<meeh_>but you can put an Nvidia card and an AMD/ATI card in the same box, and have them work as expected
07:50<meeh_>if you are gaming or using cad or other graphics intense applications, then you will want the same memory speed
07:50<meeh_>and memory
07:50<meeh_>preferably the same card if possible.
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08:08<Peanut>Fun - I've been upgrading a machine from Squeeze, via Wheezy, Jessie, Stretch and now it's on Buster. Been a very smooth experience, only Apache going from 2.2 to 2.4 broke a few things that I had to fix.
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08:27<scott2213>hi
08:28<scott2213>I'm running into an issue at the moment where AWS IP address ranges seem to be blocked. Is this a known issue?
08:29<umlaeute>blocked where?
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08:29<umlaeute>tried traceroute?
08:30<scott2213>https://snapshot.debian.org/ blocks requests from Ireland and other regions too
08:30<scott2213>Yeah. It gets pretty far then no response. On my laptop, it works fine.
08:30<scott2213>I've tried pings etc to https://snapshot.debian.org/ which also fail from said EC2 instance
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08:33<scott2213>I see someone else reported the issue on a AWS forum: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=306490
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08:34<scott2213>It seems a bit strange so thought I'd check if anyone knew of an explicit reason why they might be blocked
08:35<scott2213>I understand that there may have been a (D)DoS attack from AWS instances previously but the IP filtering appears to only affect some instances (I have some servers which can ping/request the info depending on their IP address presumably)
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08:49<petn-randall>scott2213: You can run `mtr -t snapshot.debian.org` to see where it blocks.
08:50<scott2213>ta, will give that a try now
08:52<scott2213>so it gets to "20. te-8-4.ce39.ams-01.nl.leaseweb.net" where it's receiving pings but the next hope is labelled as ???
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08:57<scott2213>I have at least servers suffering from this issue - both take a slightly different path but the last four known entries are the same
08:59<scott2213>The one server I have which does work then the last 4/5 are the same. The last entry for that one is lw07-2.debian.org
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09:51<SothIRL>Does anyone know the Debian 10 non free repository? I'm trying to install firmware-iwlwifi and the wiki only lists Debian 9 as the latest. Or can that be used in Debian 10?
09:53<towo^work>deb http://deb.debian.org/ buster main contrib non-free
09:53<SothIRL>you're awesome, thank you
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09:57*oux[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sWejtCbmqKHCfBEHpQvNaBjS >
09:57*oux[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WUdvPxtqCWlDmazojrfQZrvu >
09:58<oux[m]>well, that didnt look good in here
09:58<oux[m]> * ive never done any kind of scripts before, but wanted to make a script which backup my home dir and make an output. is this a bad or okey way to do so?
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09:59<oux[m]>https://pastebin.com/kgpKNw2P
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10:01<meeh__>more of a scripting question than a debian one
10:01<meeh__>you could compress the data before you back it up
10:01<meeh__>tar, zip, rar, ectra...
10:02<oux[m]>yes i know, sorry! but i though maybe this was a good place! sorry if its not
10:04<oux[m]>i dont thinks its neccesary to compress it since i just want something easy to restore if i f**k up again!
10:04<meeh__>why even bother with rysnc
10:04<meeh__>lol
10:04<meeh__>and you need a / before the hdd
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10:05<meeh__>could just do a cp -R
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10:06<x1>Hii
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10:34<oux[m]>because afaik rsync wont sync otouched files, which cp will do. and /hdd wont do since thats not where it is
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11:36<easy>hello
11:37<sqrt{not}>hi easy, do you have a question ?
11:37<easy>how install optimus dirver of debian10
11:38<easy>thank you
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11:40<easy> how install nvidia optimus dirver of debian10
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11:40<easy>how install nvidia optimus dirver of debian10
11:41<towo`>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus
11:41<easy>Can anyone help me?
11:42<easy>I did what I said on the wiki, but it failed.
11:44<sqrt{not}>can you give a little more detail about how it failed ?
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12:12<amacater>First things first: Use the install method marked "expert" - it asks more questions on install. Install a minimum text only system. Then follow the instructions to install either the free drivers / the prroprietarry drivers THEN AND ONLY THEN use the tasksel program to add the graphical desktop environent.
12:13<amacater>If you try to just install "GNOME Desktop" for example, it will install the nouveau drivers by default and stuff may fail.
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12:15<boolsheet>hi. some gurus here alive?
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12:15<blast007>!ask
12:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:17<Guest567>got image dvd1 for amd64, dd it to usb flash, install debian on computer. now i try to use this usb as local repository. fighting all day. read all stackoverflow and debian wiki. nothing works.
12:17<Guest567>so how do i install vim from this dvd1 usb
12:17<Guest567>?
12:19<Guest567>!ask
12:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:19<Guest567>ask!
12:19<Guest567>hmm
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12:20<tripkin>Guest567, is there some reason you do not want to use the online repositories?
12:21<sney>I think the tool you need is apt-cdrom
12:21<Guest567>yes, that computer has no f-king network interfaces
12:21<Guest567>good reason
12:21<Guest567>and no cdrom
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12:22<tripkin>Guest567, that would be a good reason...
12:22<sney>apt considers offline repos as 'cdrom' for historical reasons, I think. (remember it's an iso you downloaded) [if you have already tried this, please say so, along with listing other stuff you have tried specifically so we don't retread]
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12:23<Guest567>apt-cdrom is telling me that "Release file" is missing
12:24<sney>what command are you running exactly and is there any more output than that message? Does it specify if it's a warning or an error? remember #debian cannot see your screen
12:25<Guest567>i cannot retype it all... remember it is totally offline computer. but i ll try
12:26<Guest567>sudo apt-cdrom add -d=/media/user/Debian\ 10.0.0 ..........................
12:26<Guest567>commented everything in apt/sources
12:27<sney>you can pipe output to a text file and upload it to a paste site via a flash drive e.g. if there are any long messages
12:28<Guest567>couple of linees about missing Release file and advice to read apt-secure
12:28<Guest567>because apdating cannot be done securely
12:29<sney>those just sound like warnings to me. adding the source may have worked, can you test it?
12:30<Guest567>yes, i test it by sudo apt update && sudo apt install vim after every single byte i put in this piece of iron
12:31<sney>and?
12:31<Guest567>and i m here
12:31<sney>I cannot see your screen. if you try something, you need to say what it was and what happened, or support will be *very* limited
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12:32<tripkin>How are you accessing the image?
12:32<tripkin>Is it mounted as a loop device or is it on a USB stick?
12:32<Guest567>why? there is no known way of using usb as repo? every case is individual?
12:33<Guest567>it is usb stick
12:33<sney>it shouldn't matter how it's mounted, an image is an image
12:33<tripkin>How you are accessing it determines how it is available to the system.
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12:35<Guest567>it is usb stick. ls /media/user/Debian\ 10..... shows boot, efi, firmware, dists, install, readme...
12:35<tripkin>so try this in your sources.list "deb file:/<mount point>/ buster main contrib..."
12:35<Guest567>it is dd from downloaded image
12:35<Guest567>tripkin, tried
12:36<tripkin>so file:/media/user/Debian\ 10/
12:36<tripkin>Ok Guest567
12:36<sney>tripkin: it's an iso. apt has a tool specifically for using isos as sources. this will probably work, it just needs to be configured properly. it's not something that needs to be macguyvered
12:37<tripkin>sney, right. Sorry
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12:40<sney>Guest567: I just tried this, and here were my results. what differences do you see from your attempt, if any? http://paste.debian.net/1096991/
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12:49<Guest567>well, i do not mount iso. i have usb stick, from which i've booted and installed debian. i can load system and that stick is auto-mounted.
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12:50<Guest567>it is not at cdrom, but at username/Debian\ 10.0.0 <..>
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12:52<sney>ok, I doubt that would make a difference. did you use the -m option? this will prevent apt-cdrom from trying to unmount and remount the disk
12:53<Guest567>apt reads indexes, finds something seemingly useful, but at attept of installing package it keeps asking for /media/cdrom
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12:53<sney>try mounting (or symlinking) the usb at /media/cdrom, maybe there's something hardcoded there
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13:00<Guest567>sney yes
13:00<Guest567>that worked
13:01<Guest567>but it is kinda ugly thing
13:01<Guest567>ok
13:01<Guest567>at least it works
13:01<Guest567>thank you
13:01<Guest567>(symlinking)
13:04<sney>no problem
13:04<sney>the system doesn't have a cdrom drive as you said, so that dir wasn't doing anything important anyway
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13:11<Guest567>thanks everyone and bye. see ya
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13:54<Neolex>hey guys
13:54<Neolex>do you have a idea on how to fix this error : https://pastebin.com/hAzkiCaF
13:54<Neolex>I think it comes from nvidia drivers
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13:55<annadane>is that on startx or trying to log in to x?
13:55<sney>what version of debian, what graphics hardware, where are you seeing this message / what program is producing it
13:56<Neolex>it is debian buster the program is scrcpy and here ae my specs https://termbin.com/1i27
13:57<Neolex>I installed scrcpy via snap
13:57<Neolex>but other snap application i have works well
13:58<annadane>well from googling (actually startpaging) i see this is a common issue
13:58<Neolex>yes but i didnt find a fix
13:59<lupine>> snap
13:59<lupine>found the problem
13:59<lupine>although > nvidia is also a hot contender
14:00<sney>snap is just a package manager. 3rd party software isn't supported here, but snap by itself isn't going to cause GL problems
14:00<sney>it's probably just nvidia. Neolex, did you try using this program with the nouveau driver instead?
14:00<lupine>got a pinebook pro coming soon. foss everything :D
14:00<Neolex>sney: is there a way to do that without deinstalling nvidia drivers ?
14:01<Neolex>unistalling*
14:01<sney>no, but apt makes that a pretty smooth process anyway
14:01<annadane>i mean you don't have to uninstall them, no? just switch to nouveau via update-alternatives
14:02<sney>shows how long it's been since I used nvidia on linux. do that ^
14:02<annadane>update-alternatives --config glx, select mesa-diverted, reboot
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14:03<annadane>my next computer will not have nvidia, screw that
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14:06<rwp>I have been avoiding nvidia and using only in-main graphics the last few years (Intel or nouveau) and have been so much happier than when I had to hassle through nvidia issues previously.
14:07<annadane>nvidia works fine for me in buster but i hate having to rely on proprietary nonsense like that
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14:08<Neolex>yes it works when switching to nouveau
14:09<Neolex>but my kde is awful with nouveau
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14:10<annadane>yep nouveau sucks
14:10<annadane>no fault of theirs, nvidia are just jerks and don't cooperate
14:10<annadane>hence why i don't want to use it
14:10<Neolex>ah
14:11<Neolex>so i dont know how fix this without switching to nouveau
14:12<Neolex> However, after installing 'nvidia-x11-drv-32bit.x86_64' the problem was fixed!
14:12<Neolex>do you know the debian package for that ?
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14:21<Neolex>I hate my new pc lol
14:21<Neolex>so much issues
14:22<annadane>sorry, i can't answer your question
14:22<annadane>i would if i knew
14:22<sqrt{not}>Neolex: I don't see anything like nvidia-x11-drv anywhere in buster
14:22<Neolex>neither do I
14:23<Neolex>i think its an issue with 32 bits compatibility for nvidia
14:23<sqrt{not}>don't see it in stretch or testing or unstable either
14:24<Neolex>http://www.codewhirl.com/2016/01/ubuntu-libgl-error-failed-to-load-driver-swrast/
14:24<Neolex>i dont have /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 neither
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14:27<Neolex>how to install libGL 32bits ? without uninstalling the 64bits one ?
14:27<Neolex>i tried with :i386 after but i had package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
14:28<coruja>!multiarch
14:28<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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14:28<coruja>but i'm not sure if 32 bit is the real problem
14:29<coruja>what about debian's nvidia driver packages?
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14:30<Neolex>i installed nvidia-driver
14:30<coruja>and?
14:30<Neolex>i installed it before
14:31<Neolex>but when i switched to nouveau the error was gone
14:31<Neolex>but I need nvidia driver
14:31<coruja>which error?
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14:32<Neolex>https://pastebin.com/hAzkiCaF coruja
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14:34<coruja>but x starts and runs well with nvidia drivers? (iirc it was some snap installed software causing that error)
14:34<Neolex>yes
14:34<Neolex>everything is ok except this tool
14:34<Neolex>hashcat uses gpu etc
14:35<Neolex>and i have discord and rambox via snap they work
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14:37<coruja>i think it's not a nvidia issue then but a snap or scrcpy one
14:38<coruja>have you tried to build scrcpy yourself?
14:38<Neolex>no
14:38<Neolex>i should ?
14:38<Neolex>i can try now
14:39<coruja>i've just read you may run it without installing
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14:39<coruja>https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/BUILD.md#run
14:40<coruja>if you try building or running it, mind uninstalling the snap package
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14:46<Neolex>it works
14:46<Neolex>when building it
14:46<Neolex>thank you !
14:47<coruja>:)
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14:52<Neolex>how do you guys learn that much ?
14:53<Neolex>I use linux for a while but i m still bad to solve problems
14:54<coruja>many years of experience of trying and failing ;)
14:54<weedloser>man does not ever master the arts of linux and linux userspace
14:55<Neolex>you should configure a lot of things ^^
14:55<Neolex>i got a lot of error everytime I buy another pc
14:55<Neolex>but it s not that often so i have not much experience
14:56<weedloser>are you talking about laptops or pc's?
14:56<weedloser>better to build your own if you mean the latter
14:56<Neolex>everything about linux configuration
14:56<Neolex>yes i ll build my own next time
14:56<weedloser>almost everything working flawlessly here on a haswell and polaris system
14:56<Neolex>i havnt even got the exact config i bought
14:56<weedloser>plug and play in the case of debian... except for firmware
14:57<Neolex>but returning it is like a month without pc
14:57<weedloser>laptops are almost always a little wacky with linux, you'll have better luck with dell + intel
14:57<Neolex>yes but i take ages to solve command issue
14:57<Neolex>ok
14:57<weedloser>no problems
14:58<Neolex>and no nvidia ?
14:58<weedloser>definitely not
14:58<Neolex>ok
14:58<weedloser>avoid laptops with dedicated gpus
14:58<weedloser>entirely
14:59<Neolex>I m so ignorant about hardware :s
14:59<weedloser>computers make you insane so you're better off that way :D
14:59<Neolex>xD
15:00<Neolex>I do a lot of computer but not so much hardware and configuration
15:00<weedloser>i would personally wait for intel to come with their next gen desktop cpus before i start building something new
15:01<weedloser>ryzen is a little troubled.
15:02<weedloser>well, arguably
15:03<Neolex>ah
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16:11<jlsantos>speaking of laptops, is dell + intel the goto for linux on laptops or is it the lenovo thinkpad line?
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16:19<sqrt{not}>!laptop
16:19<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/
16:20<sqrt{not}>that https://www.linux-laptop.net/ link contains user experience reports for many brands of laptops
16:20<sqrt{not}>My wife has a several-years-old toshiba laptop that dual-boots Win10 and stretch with no problems on either one.
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16:27<jlsantos>wow. i have a couple toshiba laptops somewhere. ty for the laptop command
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16:28<jhutchins_wk>jlsantos: There are good models of both, and some with problems.
16:31<jhutchins_wk>I have a Dell that got surplused from work and an ancient 12" thinkpad with a cracked screen and a frayed power cord.
16:31<jhutchins_wk>The thinkpad's the one with the SD slot I think.
16:32<jhutchins_wk>Oh, the housing at the PCI slot is broken too.
16:32<jlsantos>I got my eye on a used Thinkpad x220, but I'm also thinking of looking for my old toshiba satellite laptop.
16:34<jhutchins_wk>I have some boat anchor "multimedia" HP that wouldn't install grub (HP EFI problem). It keeps trying to load more factory installed dancing spam.
16:34<jhutchins_wk>(In Windows. It stays in it's box.)
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16:39*sqrt{not} [looks at wife's laptop] -- hey, that's what she's got, satellite
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16:47<un214>R600_me.bin was clearly found in /lib but I'm still getting the no firmware message
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16:50<un214>http://paste.debian.com/1097023/
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16:53<jhutchins_wk>un214: Seems to me like there's usually a path shown for the firmware if you do dmesg | less
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16:54<nvz>I'd delt with this problem recently.. can't remember what we did exactly but I think I filed a bug on it.. cause it assumes it needs firmware based on the model which seems to be a debian patch.. and its simply not true
16:55<nvz>the card I'd helped with last time said same thing, and yet it worked without firmware.. in fact no firmware existed for it.. the kernel just asusmed cause it was > R600 it needed firmware
16:55<un214>ok then; I wonder how I'm going to get unstuck
16:55<un214>it's an emergency card replace as it is
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16:57<un214>In this case there's an exact matching firmware /lib/firmware/radeon/RV635_me.bin
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16:58<nvz>ah.. well idk.. but looking back at the other issue, seems they said stretch worked, buster didnt
16:58<nvz>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931901
16:58<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/931901 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64: incorrectly identifies some old Radeon HD as newer, preventing X from starting»; severity: important; opened: 2019-07-12; last modified: 2019-07-20.
16:59<un214>would that also affect lspci?
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17:00<nvz>no, it just has to do with the radeon pci probe's firmware function
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17:00<un214>well RV635 has a firmware blob to load
17:00<un214>and lspci says I have RV635
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17:01<un214>possible the firmware load has to happen in initrd?
17:01<nvz>no
17:01<nvz>its possible whatever caused that bug, is causing this one too
17:01<nvz>its a messed up patch that the author thought was disabling modesetting if firware wasn't found, when in reality its checking for this is incorrect and its just disabling modesetting
17:03<nvz>I'd verify this by trying either the stretch kernel (4.9.0) or the sid kernel (5.2) see if it works with either of those.. that bug, it worked in stretch..
17:03<un214>I suppose I could build a kernel like back when I was running slackware
17:03<nvz>and you could also try disabling kms to see if it will stil run like that
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17:03<un214>the motherboard is new not sure if a stretch kernel would work
17:04<nvz>either way you can head over to http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-amd64 and find a manual download link for a different kernel to try
17:04<nvz>its the kernel that is causing your issues
17:05<nvz>when you choose a version stretch/sid click the link with the dep: linux-image-foo-bar-amd64 then select the download link below
17:06<nvz>either kernel should install into buster without issues, and should leave your buster kernel there available from grub to boot
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17:07<nvz>as long as you fetch it manually and dont add an apt source for it, then use gdebi or dpkg -i it should be fine
17:08<nvz>if switching a kernel does resolve your issue you should send an email to 931901@bugs.debian.org with your logs confirming the issue on your hardware
17:08<nvz>cause your issue would confirm its a kernel bug and affects more than one piece of hardware
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17:10<un214>installed the sid kernel
17:10<un214>here we go
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17:12<nvz>idk that it would've been fixed in the sid kernel, but it is a different major version.. whatever caused this seemed to have been between the stretch and buster kernels
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17:16<un214>well that was spectacular; no graphics output from the sid kernel at all
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17:16<un214>I got a bios alarm about unstable system due to power surge
17:17<un214>guess that means the sid kernel fixes *that* problem
17:17<un214>what was the bug number again?
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17:18<nvz>931901@bugs.debian.org
17:19<nvz>idk what they did to that radeon_pci_probe in the stretch kernel, but it seems FUBAR..
17:19<un214> 931901@bugs.debian.org
17:20<nvz>this is now two different radeon cards that start with a number 6 that it errs out disabling KMS due to thinkin it needs firmware
17:20<un214>in this case it does need firmware
17:20<nvz>even so, if the firmware is there and KMS is disabled, causing X to fallback on vesa, its still a bug :P
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17:21<nvz>you can include all that info in email.. that you have the firmware ..etc..
17:21<un214>well I think I can order KMS on, or would if it weren't for the fact i'm going to have to pull the card again due to excessive power
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20:35<finn0>on testing/unstable gnome status is gnome-3.32 but, on https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome in exact hits section for bulleye and sid gnome is still gnome-3.30. Why is so?
20:36<finn0>Am I looking at wrong package? or, something else.
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20:39<sney>finn0: doesn't look like 3.32 is uploaded to me https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/meta-gnome3
20:41<rageouss>Seems like encrypted disks with debian testing and unstable is broken
20:41<rageouss>with the installer atleast
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20:41<sney>buster is barely a month old, testing/unstable are not expected to be usable right away
20:42<sney>the installer even more so
20:42<sney>!testing installer
20:42<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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20:43<rageouss>no problem i will just use stable
20:43<rageouss>seems to work fine
20:44<rageouss>i just wasted a ton of time trying to figure it out lol
20:44<finn0>sney: oh, seems like packaging of gnome-3.22 is uncompleted yet. https://people.debian.org/~fpeters/gnome/debian-gnome-3.32-status.html
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22:36<charlie>9963541004
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22:37<sarnold>charlie: is that a password that you need to go change somewhere?
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22:38<charlie>no
22:38<charlie>is not
22:38<charlie>i need some help to learn
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22:57<ap4lmtree->do you guys use byobu or screen or what?
22:57<sarnold>tmux here
22:58<sarnold>and using any of them with mosh... super-nice
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