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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-08-31

---Logopened Sat Aug 31 00:00:17 2019
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00:04-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
00:06<themill>k-man: I tend to use inkscape for that (depends on how the image is to be used next)
00:06<themill>or imagej
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01:53<gomba66>Hello!
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03:36<ramtin>hi
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05:31<Freitas>hi everyone
05:32<Freitas>I am looking for a Linux distro to use as my Desktop OS, would you tell me which one is the best
05:33<Freitas>is the Debian the most reliable?
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05:35<rudi_s>Freitas: Depends on what you're looking for. Debian is stable but often has outdated package versions.
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05:37<Freitas>thanks for the answer rudi_s, actually I am looking for some OS to replace Windows. I've used a lot of different distros but I'm not confortable with most of them. basically I use a huge amount of files on the cloud, office package and like to code in php
05:38<rudi_s>Freitas: How much experience do you have with Linux?
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05:39<Freitas>Rudi_s
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05:39<Freitas>I used a lot of distro for many years just for test
05:39<Freitas>but now I want to choose one to be my OS
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05:43<rudi_s>Freitas: If you're comfortable with Linux then I think Debian is a good choice for your requirements. It's reliable, stable and provides a basic desktop environment.
05:43<rudi_s>But of course asking this in the Debian channel will create biased answers ;-)
05:43<Freitas>I see, thank you very much
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05:44<Freitas>appreciate your comments, have a good day Sir
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07:10<saitan>I did an update and the wifi stopped working. The applet does not show the the available connections and xsession-errors has Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0
07:11<saitan>nmcli c <uuid> also fails
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07:11<saitan>any suggestion of wiki to help find the issue?
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21:36<annadane>question, how supported is downgrading a package from backports to stable? or is it "it depends"?
21:39<bremner>the latter.
21:39<bremner>annadane: unless you mean _upgrading_ to the next stable, which is supported
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21:43<annadane>i do not
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21:47<bremner>yeah, then it just the usual "good luck, it's not really supported"
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21:59<themill>annadane: the simple contents of the package are really easily downgraded. Anything that the maintainer scripts have done or anything that the program itself has done on subsequent invocations are not always downgradable (think: config file format changes, fixing up file locations, symlinking things in, upgrading database schema etc)
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22:00<bremner>and of course if the backport dragged in dependencies from backports, those might need downgrading too
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23:58<aidalgol>How do I get verbose error output from pactl?
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