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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-09-05

---Logopened Thu Sep 05 00:00:00 2019
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01:24<TempHorse>Hi
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03:34<demo_>hallo!
03:34<demo_>there
03:34<demo_>how are u all?
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03:34<demo_>Can some1 tell me what is love ?
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03:47<noorah>hi
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04:06<mirko>hi. i have a problem on my imac 2006, i'm running Debian 10 in Efi mode. In the command list of grub to boot up the system i've already added nomodeset. But it don't start LXQT interface and if i write startx it returns this error: (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. (EE) Fatal server error: (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices (EE) (EE) Please consult the T
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04:08<twb>Is there a carddav/vcard client I can use to test calypso? Preferably something simple and stand-alone, not "evolution"
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04:10<twb>Ahhh, khard can't do carddav, but it can use "vdirsyncer" to do that bit --- sort of like offlineimap/mbsync
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04:19<mirko>[ 43.576] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. [ 43.576] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 43.576] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 43.576] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
04:20<mirko>[ 43.578] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device [ 43.578] (II) FBDEV(3): using default device [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. [ 43.578] (II) UnloadModule: "radeon" [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. [ 43.578] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
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04:22<mirko>hi. i have a problem on my imac 2006, i'm running Debian 10 in Efi mode. In the command list of grub to boot up the system i've already added nomodeset. But it don't start LXQT interface and if i write startx it returns this error: (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. (EE) Fatal server error: (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices (EE). And in the Xorg log i se
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04:22<mirko>[ 43.576] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. [ 43.576] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 43.576] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 43.576] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 43.578] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device [ 43.578] (II) FBDEV(3): using default device [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no m
04:22<mirko>[ 43.578] (II) UnloadModule: "radeon" [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. [ 43.578] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 43.578] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
04:23<mirko>[ 43.597] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
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04:49<demo_>hello
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04:50<demo_>i want to know why my firefox taking huge memory
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04:51<demo_>which linux is fastest for browsing and app launching
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04:54<twb>demo_: all "modern" GUI browsers are huge and slow, and are not significantly affected by the underlying OS
04:55<twb>demo_: so e.g. changing from Debian to Ubuntu will not make it faster
04:56<demo_>thankyou twb sir
04:57<demo_>my primary purpose for using mx linux is to learn what i can do with it
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04:57<grove>And your DE/WM choice matters more than distro for the insignificant factors
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04:57<grove>!mxlinux
04:57<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
04:57<demo_>year i have only 1 gb ram
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04:58<demo_>grove can you control my system remotely
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05:01<twb>demo_: most "lightweight" browsers still use the "fat" browser engines (gecko, webkit/blink). You could try using a *really* light one, which has its own engine (e.g. netsurf). But sites that need javascript will break, and there are serious security issues.
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06:25<Etua>Hello, I tried to configure the backports but I can't find out what is the current version of Firefox there (when I use search on the website it says that the terms I try to search are too broad) and I can't install my language package. Could you help me?
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06:30<Etua>I managed to use apt search with -t and it suggests that that's 68.0-1 but I'm not sure whether it's valid since there has been 68.1 already and I still can't find language package for anything but the ESR.
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06:40<bremner>it's quite possible that only esr is well supported
06:41<bremner>firefox (non-esr) is only in unstable afaict
06:42<bremner>wasn't there a seperate site mozilla.debian.net?
06:42<bremner>hmm. that site seems to be out of date
06:43<Etua>There is something like that but it does not give anything for 53+
06:44<Etua>apt -t buster-backports search firefox gives me both firefox and firefox-esr although the first one is only 68.0-1 so like it could have been in testing I suppose?
06:44<supaman>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox vs https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr
06:49<Etua>Ok, so if i understand correctly there is no Firefox anywhere besides unstable and I see it whit apt search even when I use -t because I have installed it from unstable by pinning which I want to avoid so actually my only choice now would be to switch back to ESR?
06:50<blast007>you shouldn't mix releases
06:50<blast007>s/relases/stable and unstable/
06:51<supaman>Etua: yup, seems like it
06:51<blast007>I just use the Firefox build from Mozilla. Running it from my home directory.
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06:52<Etua>Have you encountered any problems running this setup? Like conflicting versions of dependencies?
06:53<blast007>conflicting how?
06:54<blast007>it's not a .deb, so it's not depending on any packages
06:54<blast007>it's just a .zip you extract
06:55<Etua>Oh, and do you use language version other than English?
06:55<blast007>nope
06:56<blast007>(I also made/found a .desktop file and placed that ~/.local/share/applications/ so that there's a menu item)
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06:57<Etua>Do you find them here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/69.0/linux-x86_64/ ?
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07:01<blast007>https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-release
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07:03<Etua>Thanks, one last question: does it update itself Windows style or do you need to download it manually? I have not tried anything like that yet.
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07:06<blast007>it updates itself
07:06<blast007>assuming you have it somewhere you can write to, such as your home directory
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07:13<KemingMeng>Hi everyone!I am using Debian 10 KDE.It works very Well!!! Thanks Team!!
07:14<KemingMeng>Its Wifi work is very best.When I use intel wifi card in Ubuntu,its speed is very bad,Always 50-100KB/s.But in Debian 10,my intel wifi 2230 card always works best,2.5MB/s.
07:15<KemingMeng>So I change my laptop OS from ubuntu to Debian10 :)
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07:22<Etua>blast007: Thank you. Having up-to-date browser means much to me.
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07:39<KemingMeng>Have a problem want to ask everyone for help.on Debian 10 Plasma desktop 5.14.5.After I installed a new application,I can't find it in KDE kickoff application launcher.Who can help me?
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07:49<supaman>KemingMeng: did you install this application from debian repos?
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08:03<KemingMeng>supaman:Yes.I already configure Debian software repo.And all applications are installed and downloaded by APT-install command in konsole.
08:04<KemingMeng>Every newly installed applications are in the same problem.All these applications installed just now can't display in KDE kickoff launcher.
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08:37<TempHorse>Is debian shifting it's kernal in future?
08:37<TempHorse>Kernel
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08:38<bremner>of course.
08:38<bremner>I think that's probably not the precise question you meant?
08:38<TempHorse>Okay I mean why?
08:39<TempHorse>They are leaving Linux kernel?
08:39<bremner>oh. that seems unlikely
08:40<bremner>but the future is a long time
08:40<TempHorse>I mean they are going to gnu Hurd , leaving linux
08:41<TempHorse>While Linux kernel is better
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08:41<supaman>Debian is not making the Hurd kernel as its official default kernel, where did you get that idea from?
08:42<TempHorse>GSoC
08:42<TempHorse>Page
08:43<supaman>uhhh, that page (https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2019) doesn't even mention hurd
08:44<TempHorse>No not this one ,
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08:44<supaman>neither this one https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2019/Projects
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08:49<TempHorse>https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5566947593289728/
08:49<TempHorse>This one supaman
08:49<supaman>ah yes "Debian systems currently use the Linux kernel or the FreeBSD kernel.
08:49<supaman>However, work is in progress to provide Debian for other kernels, primarily for the Hurd."
08:50<TempHorse>Well that's what my confusion is.
08:50<supaman>this does not mean that the default kernel will switch to Hurd, just that Hurd will become a supported kernel, just like Linux and FreeBSD
08:50<bremner>it doesn't even mean that
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08:50<bremner>just that someone is working on hurd support
08:50<bremner>it may come to nothing.
08:51<TempHorse>What we will gain if we had Hurd?
08:51<bremner>#debian-hurd can answer that, if it's active
08:52<TempHorse>Okay I have one more doubt
08:52<supaman>debian doesn't gain much I think, but the hurd developers gain a lot, so ppl who like the idea behind hurd are the ones that are driving this project
08:52<TempHorse>Why we call it Linux kernel or Free BSD
08:52<grove>And it's been a couple of releases since FreeBSD was a supported kernel
08:53<TalkSoup>Hello!
08:53<grove>What do you mean? "Linux" and "FreeBSD" are just names
08:54<supaman>TempHorse: they are two different kernels, have different architecture
08:55<TempHorse>So there are two kernel running?
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08:56<supaman>not at the same time no
08:56<supaman>you need to boot into one and then your stuck with that until you boot into some other kernel
08:57<TempHorse>Okay , but both are installed on same machine
08:57<supaman>that is possible yes
08:57<TempHorse>Why we need two kernel?
08:58<supaman>we don't, but people do a lot of things that we don't need :-) (such as work on creating support for Hurd)
08:58<bremner>or writing editors other than emacs
08:58<bremner>different people need/want different things
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08:59<bremner>are we going to go through every package in Debian and ask "why does this package exist" ? that sounds boring.
08:59<TempHorse>Okay got it, but both are installed on every machine,
08:59<bremner>no
08:59<supaman>TempHorse: no
09:00<supaman>unless you specifically install any other kernel then all you have is the Linux kernel
09:00<TempHorse>Okay
09:01<TempHorse>So that eliminates all my questions for now, till I have some new ones in future
09:01<TempHorse>Thanks for making it clear to me
09:01<supaman>TempHorse: good ... glad to help :-)
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10:24<xfuser>hello, everyone. Cans someone indicate where I can get help with issues related with locale + dead keys + kde + non english keyboard? (I already tried the documentation and solutions over the internet)
10:24<petn-randall>xfuser: You can ask in here as long as you're using Debian.. What is the problem with it?
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10:26<xfuser>petn-randal: Thanks. I can't type characters like: á, ã, etc in kde applications but is working in all other apps and in the console. (Debian Buster)
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10:32<petn-randall>xfuser: What happens if you press the key sequence?
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10:43<xfuser>petn-randall: If I press "~" + "a" I only get a in eg: dolphin but "ã" in firefox
10:44<petn-randall>xfuser: Are you running KDE as your DE?
10:44<petn-randall>(or just KDE apps)
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11:02<xfuser>petn-randall: yes, I'm using kde as my DE
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11:15<piper>xfuser: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-setup && dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
11:17<xfuser>piper: yes but I will retry again
11:18<piper>xfuser: ok, thats all i can think off
11:18<piper>*of
11:20<xfuser>same issue after retried: ã working in all system less in kde plasma related apps
11:21<xfuser>another thing: do you recommend reinstall the system maint
11:21<xfuser>maintaining the home directory with luks, lvm to try to fix this issue?
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11:26<piper>xfuser: i never use a "separate home", i don't use luks, a reinstall is a little harsh, maybe someone else has a better solution
11:27<piper>xfuser: did you log off/in (kde) after the command
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11:29<GyrosGeier>hm
11:29<xfuser>piper: i log out/in in the other time. I will try this time
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11:30<GyrosGeier>what is the correct setup for "my PS/2 keyboard is Japanese, but my external USB keyboard is US"?
11:30<GyrosGeier>the differences are subtle but annoying
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11:33<piper>GyrosGeier: have a loof here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/330354/how-to-input-japanese-in-debian almost 3 years old, but might help
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11:33<piper>*look
11:33<GyrosGeier>Japanese input under X works
11:34<GyrosGeier>but I need to set it up manually every time
11:34<GyrosGeier>because I can only have a single keyboard setup in the system
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11:37<xfuser>follow up of my issue: log out log in did not fixed it (ã working in all apps like firefox and not in kde - Debian Buster, KDE Plasma)
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11:38<grummund>Is xdg-open the preferred, or only, way to launch documents in X from the command line?
11:39<grummund>having just discovered this it seems a really useful command
11:40<grummund>also launched url's
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11:49<piper>xfuser: maybe in systemsettings > regional settings > formats
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11:51<xfuser>piper: already tried formats and also keyboard layout in kde settings
11:52<xfuser>(installing gnome to see if the problm persists. I supose it is related with qt but all solutions that I find are outdated and do not solve the issue)
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12:02<piper>xfuser: i am guessing you tried systemsettings > input devices > keyboard > layout
12:02<piper>ah he left
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12:07<TempHorse>Gnu has its way of contribution?
12:07<TempHorse>I mean did gin made certain protocol from which one have to contribute?
12:07<TempHorse>GNU
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12:08<GyrosGeier>TempHorse, GNU has different methods per subproject
12:08<TempHorse>Okay got it
12:08<GyrosGeier>the one thing they have in common is that they ask contributors for a copyright assignment
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12:09<GyrosGeier>(or an equivalent licence from contributors in Berne Convention countries)
12:09<TempHorse>Copyright assignments?
12:09<GyrosGeier>basically, the GNU project is a trust holding the copyright for all subprojects
12:10<GyrosGeier>the assignment allows them to relicence the project when a new version of the GPL comes out
12:10<GyrosGeier>(among other things)
12:10<TempHorse>What is GPL?
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12:10<GyrosGeier>the GNU General Public License
12:10<AnAnt>Hello, how can I enable non-english keyboards in vnc ?
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12:11<GyrosGeier>the GPL is a readymade licence people can apply to software they release to make it Free Software
12:11<TempHorse>Debian is under GNU?
12:11<GyrosGeier>parts of Debian use the GPL
12:12<GyrosGeier>and parts of Debian are from GNU
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12:12<GyrosGeier>e.g. the coreutils package that provides "ls", "cat" and several other shell commands
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12:13<TempHorse>Okay if I made a software, then if I apply GPL , then it's "Free software"
12:13<GyrosGeier>these are under GPL, which allows Debian to redistribute them, as long as we also ship the source code along
12:13<GyrosGeier>TempHorse, for example
12:13<GyrosGeier>there are other free licences
12:13<GyrosGeier>but the GPL has been proven to work well
12:14<GyrosGeier>the GPL allows redistribution, but whoever ships binaries must also ship the source, so users can always change things
12:15<GyrosGeier>there is also BSD or MIT style free software, where they basically allow everything
12:15<GyrosGeier>so a company can take a BSD licenced package, compile it, ship binaries, but keep the source secret
12:16<GyrosGeier>it's still free software, but there is no provision that says that every derived work also needs to be free
12:17<GyrosGeier>and then there's the AGPL, which is like the GPL, but requires making the source code available to users that only use the software without installing it
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12:18<GyrosGeier>that's a common loophole in the GPL -- put it on a server, and have people interact with it, then you haven't provided binaries, so you needn't provide source
12:18<GyrosGeier>the AGPL fixes that
12:18<jelly>TempHorse: there are many licenses that Debian considers to be appropriate for free software; GPL v2 and v3 are two of them
12:18<GyrosGeier>indeed
12:18<GyrosGeier>there are many others
12:19<jelly>https://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/
12:19<jelly>!DFSG
12:19<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
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12:19<GyrosGeier>the GNU people were some of the first who started working on free software
12:20<GyrosGeier>so a number of important programs are from the GNU project
12:20<GyrosGeier>like gcc
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12:23<TempHorse>Sorry I went offline
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12:23<TempHorse>GyrosGeier: Debian itself is not under GNU , so how it claims as free
12:24<jelly>!dfsg
12:24<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
12:24<jelly>TempHorse: ^ Debian has its own set of rules for what it thinks is free software
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12:25<TempHorse>Got it, so it has its own licence?
12:26<TempHorse>So the part taken from GNU in Debian will be called under GNU Licence?
12:26<jelly>TempHorse: read those two links, your questions are answered.
12:26<TempHorse>Okay
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12:30<TempHorse>One thing I m noticing it's says Debian System , not Debian OS , is the early claims that Debian can work on other parts ? Not only on OS building.
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12:35<bremner>so much meta.
12:35<bremner>TempHorse: my advise would be that unless you are a lawyer reading a legal document, don't read too much into minor variations in wording
12:37<TempHorse>Well I m really not anything like that. Just wanted to understand how world works, on these things.
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12:37<TempHorse>That is why I was asking.
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12:41<TempHorse>Is there is any department in Debian which works on how to increase the Debian Users?
12:42<chele>any hints how to extract the architecture of a package from apt-get -s output in one liner? i have this one so far but i am out of clues so far for the architecture sudo apt-get install -s tomcat9 | awk '/Inst/ {print $2 $3}' | awk -F"(" '{cmd="debsnap -v --binary -d /tmp " $1" "$2; system(cmd)}'
12:43<GyrosGeier>TempHorse, not directly
12:44<jhutchins_wk>TempHorse: There are no departments. There are teams of volunteers. Nobody's worried about market share.
12:44<GyrosGeier>TempHorse, we try to make Debian more useful, and lower the barrier to entry, but the closest thing to advertising we do is visit various free software meetings
12:46<bremner>TempHorse: you might be interested in the debian publicity team
12:47<GyrosGeier>and/or meet people at events
12:47<GyrosGeier>FOSDEM is awesome if you can manage Brussels
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12:48<GyrosGeier>otherwise, there will most likely be a local user group
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13:00<TempHorse>My thinking is best should be served for best welfare of the people. And in that case Debian, no doubt stands.
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13:03<joker_>hi
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13:10<TempHorse>Do debian work on distribution systems, or allows to work on distributed systems ?, like Bitcoin and etc
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13:12<sney>there are crypto mining tools that run on linux. probably some in the archive. you can use apt to search
13:13<TempHorse>I mean it's valid under debian licence?
13:13<sney>your question doesn't make sense. what are you actually trying to do
13:13<TempHorse>To build them.
13:14<TempHorse>I mean can we make projects like distributed cloud storage , or distributed search engine under Debian Licence?
13:14<sney>sure, why not
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13:14<sney>just make sure the license you use for your project is DFSG-free
13:14<sney>there are a lot of options.
13:15<TempHorse>I mean there is involved of fake currency
13:15<sney>that is outside debian's purview
13:15<TempHorse>Involvement*
13:15<TempHorse>Means?
13:16<sney>means, debian is just an operating system. the DFSG only applies to software licenses for programs that might be included with debian or interact with it, etc.
13:17<sney>if someone makes a scam currency and licenses it with MIT, then it's still DFSG-free, and the ethical problems are someone else's problem
13:17<sney>though it probably wouldn't be approved to get added to the archive.
13:17<TempHorse>Why?
13:18<sney>packages are added to debian when there is demand and/or usefulness. an application that is designed to be malicious would fall outside that.
13:20<TempHorse>Okay , but I think these distributed project are demand of future which maybe many MNC will try to make that idea fall back.
13:20<sney>mnc?
13:21<TempHorse>Multi National Companies
13:22<sney>distributed computing is already normal. debian and debian-based systems are very common in datacenters, cloud computing, etc
13:24<sney>big corporations use decentralized models all the time, they love it, it means they can load balance effectively and provide what looks like 1 website to an entire planet's worth of users
13:25<TempHorse>Simple to put , MNC working on search engines will never want a distributed search engines should be made popular, that is a a major reason why distributed applications and services development is not that available to developers and engineers to apply.
13:26<sney>but again, debian is just an OS, if you want to make a search engine project or whatever, the tools are available, but it's not really debian's problem whether you succeed
13:27<sney>if you want to do something that goes against big capitalist software development then go meet some university students. they are usually the right audience for that sort of thing
13:30<TempHorse>Well but cloud storage is necessary for web os and what's better than and distribute one. I think it's a requirement for and os, isn't it?
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13:32<sney>debian provides the software only
13:33<TempHorse>Ohh licence is for software not for services?
13:33<sney>yes
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13:38<TempHorse>So a paid service comes with a free software can be DFSG free
13:38<sney>yep
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13:39<greenfish>I need help... i've been at this for hours... just installed debian-stable as a my primary file server. Setup samba and it's being a pain in the ass. if I use more than 2 shares sambas 3rd share asks for password in windows but refuses to connect
13:39<greenfish>help please....
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13:42<sney>greenfish: does 'testparm' report any issues with your smb.conf?
13:42<jhutchins_wk>!paste
13:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:44<greenfish>sney: https://pastebin.com/x2D1W8Uh
13:44<greenfish>loaded file services ok
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13:45<greenfish>I can see all 3 of them in my w10 and macbook, I can access dwl, music but if I try to acess the 3rd share it asks for permission and then it says denied after the correct password
13:45<greenfish>"enter network credentials"
13:45<sney>it's been a while since I've used samba, but I remember that "permission denied" is a fallback error for CIFS. basically if windows fails to establish the connection for any reason, it will say "permission denied" a lot of the time even if that's not the real problem
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13:46<greenfish>hmm I see, well i've never had this issue before. It's very odd. Like I said if it's more than 2 shares samba goes bananas :S oh well thanks for trying though
13:47<sney>try to connect to your third share, then see if the samba log has any information in it
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13:47<supaman>yeah, no samba expert, but the movie section is quite different from the others
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13:48<supaman>greenfish: have you tried putting "valid users = greenfish" and log in with that user?
13:49<greenfish>supaman that is very odd!! becuase the output from testparm does not reflect my smb.conf regarding the 3rd share
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13:49<greenfish>supaman here is my samba config compared to testparm
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13:51<greenfish>just a sec
13:52<EmleyMoor>Now you know the main reason I avoid samba
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13:53<greenfish>supaman: http://dpaste.com/10ASBHN
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13:54<greenfish>how can the 3rd share movies from smb.conf differ when I run testparm???
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13:57<supaman>greenfish: you have restarted samba since adding the movies section right?
13:57<greenfish>supaman: yup
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14:00<supaman>I'm stumped, gonna quack for a bit and see what I find :-)
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14:01<sney>might be worth skimming the man page for smb.conf to see if any of the other directives are overriding what you have set for the shares
14:02<supaman>well, a global parameter should override all shares, not just the movies section
14:02<jhutchins_wk>greenfish: Might want to check the ownership/permissions on the movies share vs. the others.
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14:05<supaman>testparm -d 10 might perhaps give more info
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14:09<greenfish>supaman: http://dpaste.com/1WC3DW6
14:09<greenfish>jhutchins_wk: ok, brb
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14:10<greenfish>jhutchins_wk: owner greenfish group greenfish drwxr-xr-x on all 3 shares
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14:14<supaman>huuu, strange ... in the movies section for testparm -d 10 there are two of some options (one that shows the smb.conf and one that shows another value)
14:15<supaman>greenfish: try to delete the movies section from smb.conf, restart and run testparm -d 10 see if you see anything strange in there
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14:16<supaman>greenfish: also try to connect to the other 2 shares from some other machine
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14:16<supaman>then when you have made sure everything is working ok add the movies section again
14:16<domovoy>hi
14:16<domovoy> i have a problem with a motherboard (asustek p5kpl/1600). First i couldn't boot on usb, after a bios update this was fixed, still, after booting, the only recognised usb device is the flashdrive i used to boot (mouse is not here, neither is my external hard drive when i plug it in), when plugging a usb device, nothing appears in syslog, and lsusb doesn't list it. Same thing if i boot from a cd. I'd like to make sure this issue can be fixed before
14:16<domovoy>installing
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14:17<demo_>how to install wine in mx linux
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14:17<greenfish>supaman: good advice, will try your solution, brb
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14:19<supaman>domovoy: put the output of lspci -v on a paste.debian.org
14:20<supaman>demo_: mx linux is not debian, we don't support derivatives here
14:21<domovoy>supaman> hmmm... your request made me discover another problem, no network either!
14:21<supaman>:-)
14:21<supaman>domovoy: what image did you use to boot from the usb drive?
14:21<domovoy>wtf... motherboard fried?
14:22<domovoy>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent
14:23<domovoy>will try booting on (currently installed) windows, see if usb and network works
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14:25<greenfish>supaman: now it it says on 3rd share within windows 10 (windows cant acess 192.168.x.x movies
14:25<greenfish>supaman: I think im gonna re-install debian because this is the oddest samba error i've ever had
14:25<greenfish>supaman: thanks for trying though :)
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14:26<supaman>greenfish: so when you removed the movies sections then everything worked normally?
14:27<domovoy>under windows, network seems to work, but usb doesn't. maybe this mobo is dead after all
14:28<greenfish>supaman: no well instead of getting "windows cant acess 192.168,x,x movies" I got "network credential required" and then I inputed my username+password and it gave me access denid
14:28<supaman>domovoy: sounds like it yes ... it is an old one after all
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14:29<supaman>greenfish: ok, try reinstalling samba first instead of reinstalling the whole system
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14:30<domovoy>f**k, changing the motherboard on such an old config kinda means changing all the hardware... client won't like the bill ^^
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14:31<greenfish>supaman: I have tried that as well, it's not a problem since this is a fresh debian install
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14:31<greenfish>supaman: also tried a new smb config and the results are the same, thanks for trying to help me though, it's appreciated!
14:32<supaman>greenfish: ok, good luck with this :-)
14:32<greenfish>thanks^^
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14:41<sqrt{not}>domovoy: the image you list above debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent is not a bootable image, it is a torrent pointer
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14:44<jhutchins_wk>sqrt{not}: He's crossposting to freenode, we discussed that.
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14:45*jelly sighs
14:45<sqrt{not}>jhutchins_wk: I'm only here, so I will butt out. thanks
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14:46<jelly>domovoy_: please avoid asking about the same issue in multiple places at the same time
14:46<temp_horse[m]>how to get identified in riot.im
14:47<jelly>domovoy: pick one channel. AFter you exhaust all their resources, pick another and show the new channel everything you've done and been asked to in the last channel.
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14:47<blackbit>i am looking for suggestions how to set acpi.debug_layer and acpi.debug_level to capture acpi events that cause a machine to go to sleep. reference: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/acpi/debug.txt
14:47<blackbit>and yes, i have built a kernel that has CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG enabled
14:47<domovoy_>jelly> even on different servers? why?
14:47<sqrt{not}>domovoy_: because you waste our time
14:48<jelly>domovoy_: it's rude, because half the people don't know what the other half are saying, and will think of the same things often
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14:49<jelly>domovoy_: so you're wasting one half's resources on something that might have already been done/tried/asked
14:49<domovoy_>well then, why not send everybody to the same channel? like telling the server to refuse join request by saying "please join us on channel #foo, server irc.example.org"
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14:50<bremner>this is the official channel; we can't tell freenode what to do.
14:50<jelly>domovoy_: mostly because stubborn people won't leave freenode #debian completely en masse for some reason, so it lives
14:51<jelly>asking in multiple places is a social mishap, not a technical one
14:51<jelly>so now that you know, you can avoid it!
14:51<domovoy_>because the other half of the coin is, some people here are not there, and the other way around, so i'm wasting _my_ time by _not asking_ half of the people who might have the solution
14:52<jelly>domovoy_: ask both places, but NOT at the same time
14:52<temp_horse[m]>what is the address of nickserv of oftc
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14:53<sarnold>tempHorse: /msg nickserv help
14:53<domovoy_>hmmm, ok i'll respect that, even if i don't fully agree, i understand the logic
14:53<jelly>domovoy_: you can first see what everyone in oftc can contribute. Then if they don't know enough to fix it 100%, you ask in freenode. And then you don't ask with the initial question, but also provide all the extra things you've learned.
14:53<tempHorse>i cannot do /msg command
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14:54<tempHorse>i want exact url of nickserv
14:54<sqrt{not}>domovoy_: you mentioned _your_ client won't like the bill. Please tell us where we can send our invoice for fixing your problems ?
14:54<jelly>tempHorse: what do you mean by url of nickserv?
14:54<sarnold>tempHorse: nickserv has no url. its only interface is irc. once you're registered and identified then you can *verify* the account on the webservice, but there's no way to register with the web interface
14:54<tempHorse>well i am on riot.im , and want to identify myself
14:55<tempHorse>and i cannot do /msg command in that
14:55*jelly has no idea how riot.im, presumably a bridge of some sort, works, sorry
14:55<jelly>!riot
14:55<jelly>and the bot might not know either
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14:56<tempHorse> @freenode_NickServ:matrix.org something lie this
14:56<tempHorse>but for oftc
14:56<jelly>tempHorse: if "riot.im" is a matrix client, you'll want to ask matrix people
14:57<tempHorse>okay
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14:57<domovoy_>sqrt{not}> see private message
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16:39<NobelSauvage>Is anyone else experiencing trouble connecting to ftp://security.debian.org ?
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16:39<Nemoder>https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2017/msg00001.html
16:40<NobelSauvage>thnx
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16:59<stealth_>hello
17:00<Teddy>Hello,
17:00<Teddy>i have a little problem with a sed command. So maby anyone here could help me. I am following this tutorial: https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/948#issuecomment-388753211
17:00<Teddy>And The problem command is:
17:00<Teddy>sed -e 's/root=.*"/root=/dev/sdg/root cryptopts=source=/dev/sda,target=sdc,lvm=sdg"/' -i /media/boot/boot.ini.default
17:01<Teddy>which gives me the following Error:
17:01<Teddy>sed: -e expression #1, char 18: unknown option to `s'
17:01<Teddy>Does anyone have an Idea what could be wrong?
17:02<stealth_>i wanted to install the "libatk-bridge2.0-dev" package but it seems to depend on an older version of "libatk-bridge2.0-0" package, is it a bug?
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17:08<blast007>,depends libatk-bridge2.0-dev
17:08<judd>Package libatk-bridge2.0-dev in buster/amd64 -- depends: libatk-bridge2.0-0 (= 2.30.0-5), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.4.1-2), libatspi2.0-dev.
17:09<blast007>!bat
17:09<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:09<blast007>stealth_: ^
17:10<stealth_>ill gather the info
17:10<blast007>Teddy: you're not escaping some of the slashes
17:10<sqrt{not}>Teddy: if you are using '/' as your delimiter in the 's' command, you will need to escape any literal '/' in your patterns
17:11<baduck>'s/' makes / the delimiter for the regexp/substitution. you either need to escape the slashes in the path names or switch to a different delimiter. , and ! are popular
17:12<Teddy>Thank you for your help. Im not that familar with sed, so I do not know which of those slashes are delimiters and which are not. Could you tell me?
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17:13<baduck>the one after the "s" defines the delimiter
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17:13<baduck>i would go the sed -e 's,/root=.*,root=/dev/sdg/root ... route
17:14<Teddy>Thank you :) So this would be correct?
17:15<Teddy>sed -e 's,/root=.*"/,root=/dev/sdg/root cryptopts=source=/dev/sda,target=sdc,lvm=sdg"/' -i /media/boot/boot.ini.default
17:17<baduck>oh, sorry. i missed the commas in you original command. can't use , as delimiter then.
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17:19<Teddy>sed -e 's@/root=.*"@root=/dev/sdg/root cryptopts=source=/dev/sda,target=sdc,lvm=sdg"/' -i /media/boot/boot.ini.default
17:19<Teddy>So maby this way
17:20<Teddy>Now I get an sed: -e expression #1, char 77: unterminated `s' command Error...
17:20<stealth_>here is the paste https://paste.debian.net/1099121/
17:21<stealth_>i kinda already see the problem.. yet i dont understand why
17:21<baduck>grr, copying that out of the irc buffer gets me an "sed:... unescaped newline inside substitute pattern"...
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17:23<blast007>stealth_: you may have installed some libatk package (or other related package) from buster-backports, in which case you may just want/need to install libatk-bridge2.0-dev from buster-backports as well
17:23<Teddy>Maby I could do this by hand without sed, but I do not understand exactly what it does
17:23<stealth_>if i did apt choose it by it self
17:24<blast007>packages don't install from backports unless you tell it to
17:24<clinth>i'm seeing some intermittent "connection refused" to snapshot.debian.org, is this some sort of rate limiting? how can I tell, and how can I prevent it?
17:24<stealth_>hmm, how i do that?
17:24<stealth_>*do i
17:24<blast007>ah, looking more closely, you do have libatk-bridge2.0-0 from buster-backports
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17:25<stealth_>yeah i do
17:25<stealth_>yet apt want to install the *dev from main
17:25<blast007>apt install -t buster-backports PackageNameHere
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17:26<stealth_>maybe i installed something only on backports and it depended on that package..
17:26<blast007>certainly possible
17:27<baduck>teddy: sed -e 's!root=.*"!root=/dev/sdg/root cryptopts=source=/dev/sda,target=sdc,lvm=sdg"!' -i /media/boot/boot.ini.default
17:28<stealth_>i guess this solves the issue
17:28<stealth_>thank you
17:29<Teddy>Thank you for your help baduck, this one worked for me like a charm.
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20:56<Xinayder>is OBS recommended for people wanting to build packages for Debian?
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20:59<sarnold>Xinayder: I hear good things about it, yeah. local sbuild may be another option; I'm not sure what targets launchpad PPAs target, but perhaps that's another option
20:59<Xinayder>I wanted to build the latest versions of msp430-gcc and mspdebug (they're outdated on debian)
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