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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-09-13

---Logopened Fri Sep 13 00:00:12 2019
00:00<sqrt{not}>Reddragon: hi, you can type: /topic to see the channel topic
00:03<Reddragon>boot menu www bottfrom worldwide
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00:04<sqrt{not}>Reddragon: can your coreboot boot from a bootable CD or a bootable USB stick ?
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00:05<sqrt{not}>I don't understand what you mean "Worldwide" ?
00:06<Reddragon>The bios is owerflashed I tried coeboot option is iPXE nice option to boot from network even on wwww
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00:08<kyle_>alrpjump6p6iqymh.onion
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00:08<sqrt{not}>Reddragon: do you want english documents or is another language better for you ?
00:09<Reddragon>english is good
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00:12<sqrt{not}>look at these sections of the debian installation guide https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ section A.2.3. section 4.5
00:21<Reddragon>Usefull thanks
00:21<Reddragon>bye
00:22<Reddragon>exit
00:22<Reddragon>quit
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00:31<jeki>hi
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01:47<nalck>hello, I have a question about debian power management: I have heard both advice "just use TPM" and "the kernel and base configuration already is good, don't fiddle with cpufreq etc". I am not sure how to proceed, I have a relatively new Lenovo T470
01:49<nalck>a lot of the documentation about power management seems to be a bit old, if anyone has advice on what to read up on or which approach works best I'd be very thankful
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01:58<grove>I have a T480, haven't done anything related to power management and am perfectly satisfied with the result
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02:06<jm_>as far as CPU power saving goes I'd just use defaults
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02:09<nalck>ok thanks, I use cpupower to set the governor to "powersave" because I was getting a lot of spikes and fans blasting for no apparent reason. maybe I just need a new battery. thanks again for the advice
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05:33<nico>Hello guys. I use Debian 10 and my Laptop seems to hibernate after like 20minutes. I disabled every energy saving options in the Bios and I also disabled everything in Debian Settings. What can I do ? I need the Laptop to be always reachable. Thanks
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05:48<nvz>heh
05:49<nvz>apparently it hibernates after 15min..
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05:58<tarzeau>it's not overheating and turns off to not go broken?
05:58<tarzeau>who is the producer of the hardware?
06:00<nvz>they left
06:01<tarzeau>hibernating
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07:16<Aladinn>hello?
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07:37<codingquark>hi?
07:42<Vergo>!ask
07:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:52<Guest2462>IDENTIFY
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08:52<Guest2462>hi
08:52<bremner>Guest2462: hi. Do you have a question about debian?
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08:52<Guest2462>yes
08:53<Guest2462>I have installed Dwarffortress but cannot play it
08:56<grove>There is no question in that. If you want somebody to help you get to play your game, you should describe what you do, what does happen and what you expected to happen
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08:56<bremner>Guest2462: try starting from the terminal. I guess you might see a message about "modprobe fuse"
08:57<Guest2462>what?
08:57<Guest2462>what is modprobe fuse?
08:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 619] by debhelper
08:59<grove>A (partial) command that might help. If that is your problem, but for now it's just bremner's guess, so follow his advice from the start instead of jumping to the part you don't understand
09:00<Guest2462>alright.
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09:02<godson>hi
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09:02<Guest2462>hi
09:02<nico>Hello can someone help me with an issue
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09:02<grove>!ask
09:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:02<godson>how you doin
09:03<grove>!chat
09:03<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
09:03<godson>right
09:03<godson>i have some issues with my parrot os
09:03<grove>!parrot
09:03<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
09:04<godson>oh thanks though you could as its debian based
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09:04<Guest2462>Failed to execute child process “dwarf-fortress” (No such file or directory). What should I do?
09:05<Stummi>I have a strange phenomen here: Exporting any openoffice document as PNG results in just a black box. Any thoughts on where to start investigating this?
09:05<nico>Im running Debian 10.1 on a Laptop. I disabled EVERY energy saving option and even put HandleLidSwitch=ignore. I checked the BIOS and disabled some options. After like 20 minutes Debian just hibernates. I need my Laptop to be reachable everytime.
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09:07<Guest2462>Have you tried reinstalling OpenOffice, Stumni?
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09:08<Stummi>Guest2462, its a relatively fresh installed libreoffice (sorry, I meant to say LO instead of OO), so I don't think that will make a difference
09:10<Guest2462>What are you trying to export as PNG?
09:13<Stummi>calc tables or writer documents
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09:20<Stummi>just saw that Help -> About also just display a black box: https://imgur.com/FB0zEoM
09:20<Stummi>I think it could be related
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09:40<nico_>Debian 10 hibernates after 20minutes for no Reason.
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09:42<thsnr>nico_: have you tried the this? http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/prevent-sleep-systemd.html
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09:43<nico_>Will try thanks :D
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09:45<nico>Okay in 30minutes I know if it worked
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10:06<Cozzy>hi
10:06<Cozzy>H are you all
10:06<Cozzy>عربى
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10:07<nico>hi
10:08<bremner>Cozzy: hi, do you have a question (in English) about Debian?
10:09<Cozzy>iam new
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10:11<bremner>!ask
10:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:15<Cozzy>How to create a chat room
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10:15<nico>Thanks thsnr. It worked til now :D
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10:17<Cozzy>?
10:17<bremner>Cozzy: that's a question for #oftc
10:17<Cozzy>yes
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10:18<bremner>basically just /join #my-new-channel. But "/join #oftc" for more information.
10:18<Cozzy>ok
10:18<Cozzy>i will try
10:18<Cozzy>thx
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11:21<sakax>hi all, why is deborphan showing cryptsetup as obsolete under buster? false positive or obsolete packages under buster?
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11:24<sney>you may want to look at the output of apt policy and aptitude why/why-not for that package for more clues
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11:42<jeel>#list
11:42<jeel>hi
11:42<jeel>anyone here ??
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11:43<sney>!ask
11:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:45<jeel>ok , i got php problem on my apache server
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11:45<jeel>i cant load my index.php
11:45<jeel>my own code
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11:47<sney>are you using mod-php or php-fpm? are you able to load a phpinfo page? what have you tried so far
11:47<jeel>i dont know if its apache2 or php 7.3 i use last version of parrot os
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11:48<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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11:49<jeel>ok but it based on debian what is the difference ???
11:50<sney>short version: only debian is supported in #debian because we have no way of knowing what might be different.
11:50<sney>go to your distro's support channel, or install debian and get help here. those are your options.
11:51<sney>honestly, I suggest the second option, because I doubt the parrot channel has any interest in helping you set up a LAMP stack.
11:51<jeel>ok thanks
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11:52<jeel>ok thanks
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12:14<Koartin>https://ibb.co/pQwdgRV
12:14<Koartin>can somebody answer that problem?
12:15<Koartin>im not any good with electronics
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12:18<sney>Koartin: this channel is for debian support only, not electrical homework help
12:19<Koartin>okaay
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12:26<DNS>hm since the upgrade to debian10 i cant run bleachbit as root anymore, its just doesnt start https://paste.debian.net/1100576/
12:26<DNS>any workaround?
12:28<DNS>afaik in the last version i was asked for the root pass and not for the user (sudo) pass
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12:41<sqrt{not}>DNS: maybe this is the problem (see dpkg below). also your paste is not very informative
12:41<sqrt{not}>!bustersu
12:41<sqrt{not}>!buster su
12:41<dpkg>The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable so commands normally available to root are not found. Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior, or just use `su -` instead of plain `su`. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds.
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13:15<pedy>Hi, after upgrading to Buster, some of my apps don't function properly. maybe some compatibilty issues happened. I use Awesome WM with some packages from KDE, GNOME, XFCE etc. What's the community-friendly approach to follow them? e.g. At this moment I want to know why Kmix doesn't show its icon and it can't load some of its components. Should I try a forum? Should/Could I contact a package maintainer?
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14:05<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I deleted accidentally a ntfs partition when formatted a hdd to install Debian on it. I used XFS for Debian partition. Please, Is that possible recovering this ntfs partition after I've completed a Debian installation with XFS file system ?
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14:12<annadane>anyone roughly know when firefox 60 is EOL so 68 gets into debian?
14:15<DNS>rob_debian: you could try testdisk
14:17<rob_debian>Hi DNS, thanks for attention. In this case, is 'testdisk' a tool that offer some parameters to recover a deleted partition, or it's only about a checking tool, but unable to recover the ntfs partition itself ?
14:21<DNS>rob_debian: you can recover data with that yes
14:21<DNS>rob_debian: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
14:22<DNS>its in the debian repo tho
14:23<dvs>annadane, Debian will use the current ESR version of Firefox.
14:23<annadane>well, 'current' is 68 yet debian has esr 60 currently
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14:24<rob_debian>Fine, DNS, hope I can recover it...Thank you very much for attention and great support !
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14:24<aloo_shu>after doing the installation, too, you will have damage, because you did write to the partition, but you may be able to salvage files
14:25<rob_debian>Fine aloo_shu, I'll proceed to recovering these files. Thank you very much !
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14:28<aloo_shu>rob_debian: be prepared for some work, and you will need some space
14:29<sqrt{not}>annadane: 68 is in sid
14:29<annadane>,v firefox-esr
14:29<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; jessie-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid:
14:29<judd>68.1.0esr-1
14:30<aloo_shu>file recovery tools scan the partition for everything that _could_ have been a file, and offer to reconstruct a collection in another place, like a folder or partition, that needs to have the space, rob_debian
14:30<annadane>i know 52 -> 60 required backporting a bunch of rust stuff, hopefully this time the transition's a bit simpler
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14:34<aloo_shu>after it's done recovering, you may have to go through files one by one, since oxford_dict.pdf may have become file09834.pdf, dreamholiday.jpg 38495183.jpg etc., , rob_debian , i.e. recovery tools find files by themselves, but not necessarily all the directory entries where the names are given
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14:42<rob_debian>Ok aloo_shu, I'll be attempt about this. Thank you very much for great support !:)
14:44<annadane>sorry, i'll go ask firefox. they have a better idea of things
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17:04<jeanluc>comment installer VLC ?
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17:06<annadane>reeeeee.
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17:15<nvz>whats with these folk coming in and asking something than just vanishing? :P
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17:16<annadane>the irony is that memoserv is disabled on OFTC
17:16<annadane>so you can't even offline message the question hit and runners
17:17<aloo_shu>better keep track of the hosts
17:19<aloo_shu>only 1 out of 3 nicks is registered, and the user that used it didn't identify
17:20<aloo_shu>so memoserv wouldn't help
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17:25<somiaj>nvz: mostly people who aren't sure what irc is or how some random webapp they used that pushed them here works.
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17:26<nvz>yeah its annoying.. particularly because I have JOINS/PARTS/QUITS ignored in larger channels
17:26<Vergo>yep, there's no chatbot keeping them company while waiting for some real person to start helping or asking more questions
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17:26<nvz>so I am reading and ready to respond to someone who is gone already
17:26<somiaj>yea, tab completion can sometimes catch that
17:27<nvz>not before I've already wasted time parsing the question and thinking about it and starting to answer it :P
17:27<cadtx>only english here?
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17:28<nvz>yes
17:28<annadane>i just hover over their usernames and if i don't get the pointy thing i cry in rage and throw things
17:28<annadane>and weep for humanity
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17:28<nvz>which is why I'm a little flustered now cause I'd engaged my rarely used french knowledge to answer someone.. and they're gone :P
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17:29<sqrt{not}>!es
17:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:29<aloo_shu>I can enable/disable the filter for join/part/quit per kbd shortcut, also per channel, helps for exactly this. but you can also test for presence through tab completion, always answer personally, will notice if it's not possible
17:30<cadtx>ok gracias
17:31<annadane>we need support for even more esoteric languages
17:31<annadane>click click click click click click?
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17:31<annadane>hi
17:31<rixons24>kinda new here
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19:51<CCambraPTY>hello everybodies
19:52<CCambraPTY>anybody use to to raspberry pi3 here i need repositories for install others app
19:52<blast007>are you running Raspbian?
19:52<CCambraPTY>yes man
19:52<blast007>!raspbian
19:52<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/
19:53<CCambraPTY>thanks
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20:01<x-line>Hello
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20:07<aloo_shu>annadane: there's #linuxmint-help on spotchat (official) for all the world to see that bad things do not happen if a support channel is multilingual
20:12<coruja>aloo_shu, but it's horrible to parse and read for all users (of which most can follow up to 3 or 4 languages, if at all)
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20:18<aloo_shu>it's really simple: if you can't parse it, don't even look at it - it's not for you
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20:21<aloo_shu>one has to filter anyway, even in a single language chan, or how else would you avoid to jump into support convos that are already ongoing
20:22<annadane>just to be clear i'm just being silly
20:23<aloo_shu>yeah, but cadtx was really a bit taken aback when he showed up in #debian-es, and that is a typical reaction to being shown out, no matter how gently
20:24<annadane>yeah, that's fair. i've been guilty of posting things like !es myself, though i didn't in the case of cadtx
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20:27<annadane>i suppose i can use google translate to communicate with some folks in other languages
20:27<annadane>except french which i do actually know a bit of
20:28<annadane>certainly not trying to be rude to people intentionally :(
20:28<coruja>but i think is rather a misinterpretation of the bot's factoids, i regard them as friendly advice where to expect better chances to get support in their mother tongue
20:29<aloo_shu>that's another factor, the bot is making it easy to pull the trigger. on the upside, it delivers the message correctly in whatever the required language is, but then probably the a-personal interactionthrough an automated tool contributes to an instictive feeling of non-welcome - it;s not the intention really, but still a relatively common impression
20:29<coruja>at least i won't feel kind of offended i guess
20:29<annadane>well, whatever then, i'll stay silent and let other people do that kind of stuff
20:30<coruja>annadane, you won't ;)
20:30<annadane>i'll try!!!!
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20:32<aloo_shu>in an ideal world, users could register with the bot with their language skills, and be notified on demand, so that the non-english speaker is compensated with a human welcome, and some attention brought to little monitored channels in the right moment
20:35<annadane>#debian-es also has like 20 people
20:35<annadane>it's not really helpful
20:35<annadane>i wanted to edit the factoids that deal with non english support to also include a link to language specific mailing lists
20:35<aloo_shu>and es is a major language
20:36<bremner>well, maybe more people should volunteer to help there? I don't see how fancier bots would help.
20:38<annadane>it's worse than 20 people considering the amount of people idle on irc
20:38<annadane>how many of those 20 are even looking at the channel
20:38<aloo_shu>I went there cuz I happened to see the referral, but I'm kind of reluctant to lurk on many channels, and I canot be the only one, cuz with 579 users here, 20 in -es would mean less than 5% have spanish skills, which is improbable
20:39<annadane>i once got bitched at for posting !ask because it's impersonal
20:39<annadane>which is fair enough
20:41<bremner>yeah, I sometimes skip !ask and say something simpler.
20:41<bremner>but that doesn't always work out.
20:42<annadane>a lot of spanish people posting here are also asking about parrot
20:42<annadane>not trying to be mean, just an observation
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20:42<aloo_shu>part of a larger problem, apparantly, because debian web pages are available in 19 languages incl. danish and bulgarian, but spanish isn't one of them, which would point to a larger cultural misunderstanding
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20:43<annadane>incidentally i was looking at the russian debian 10 release notes, they're only half translated
20:43<annadane>i know, i know. "it's all volunteer", but i'd almost rather not have it at all then
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20:46<aloo_shu>well can only point at mint again, whatever one may think of them, they got cultural variety and particularly appeal to hispanics rolling, and probably didn't need but to question a small set of core beliefs in order to get there
20:47<bremner>if you want to have a discussion about it, I suggest writing debian-project@l.d.o
20:47<coruja>that's why at least some knowledge of english is (still) recommended or even necessary in the linux world - just imagine the problems smaller distributions have, so debian is still in a comfortable position concerning localization (among other aspects)
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20:56<aloo_shu>I wouldn't rely on it - keeping that comfortable position would be a good reason to think about ways to positively make non-english users welcome, even if they cannot be helped in a given moment, that could even be the bot greeting joining users in channels under, what, 100 users for instance
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20:57<sqrt{not}>aloo_shu: see https://www.debian.org/index.es.html
21:03<coruja>on-join bot messages are one of the things i hate most on irc (and i guess i'm not alone)
21:03<aloo_shu>yes, that's the iso dl & install page - whereas I'm navigating debian.org in all directions, and the footers I'm getting do not include spanish, no.2 on the list of first languages, after chinese, and before english
21:04<aloo_shu>coruja: that's why I would make them dependent on channel size/traffic - I've even written a custom filter for one such bot, I can totally relate
21:07<coruja>aloo_shu, then set it up and ask the channel ops for permission to deploy the bot, or talk to debian's infobot owners and try to convince them of your ideas
21:08<aloo_shu>another implemention I've seen on a non-software IRC support network, is a bot with a dedicated 'help me' type of command, and a dedicated channel for 'help asked for on <channel>' messages, where support volunteers are asked to idle
21:08<aloo_shu>yeah bot owners would be an idea, although the community would have to decide
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21:09<coruja>no, channel ops/owners are to decide in the end
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21:10<sqrt{not}>some debian.org web pages have espanol, some don't . certainly more than just dl&install. how about https://www.debian.org/doc/index.es.html
21:13<aloo_shu>anyway, I'm gone, didn't want to 'prove' anything here
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21:16<annadane>i do think it's um, what's the word, incumbent? upon us to really make contributing to debian have the least friction possible
21:17<annadane>which includes support questions because those same users can later contribute
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21:39<sqrt{not}>I wasn't trying to be harsh with them
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23:23<tsundoku>I'm having issues with gnome-keyring on a new debian install
23:24<tsundoku>every time I try to ssh into a remote host I get "sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation" and it falls back to password authentication
23:24<tsundoku>did something change in gnome-keyring? the setup I'm using has worked for years and I have not changed my key
23:25<tsundoku>if I run ssh with SSH_AUTH_SOCK=0 I get a passphrase prompt, but the point of using gnome-keyring is to not have to enter the passphrase
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