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01:36<jbit>Does anybody know why the chrony user on debian is _chrony? What does the underscope signify?
01:42<themill>one of the several different conventions for the names of system users
01:42*themill thinks it's one of the better options
01:43<jbit>ah, yeah that'd be nice if it were consistently used :)
01:44<themill>_apt and _rpc also exist on this machine
01:44<themill>prefixing things with Debian- or systemd- is also popular it seems
01:44<themill>and nm-
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05:53<finn0>12 packages can be upgraded in my system but, I run `sudo apt upgrade` I get this output (log url: https://share.riseup.net/#8_y3WUuMVGtxR0vn7Sf7Vg)
05:55<finn0>All those packages are related to GPG packages. Output of `apt list --upgradable`: https://share.riseup.net/#qspidWxUrOsAfwhKNLPJEw
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05:58<finn0>I think, I cannot upgrade the packages because those packages are for Buster not Stretch. In their version name a "deb10" string is present which probably refers to Debian 10 (i.e Buster). Am I correct?
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06:02<avu>finn0: they might just need to pull in additional dependencies, try `apt full-upgrade`
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06:29<grove>!bat
06:29<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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07:18<callmesudo>hello
07:19<callmesudo>human or bot
07:20<annadane>beep boop
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07:22<finn0>grove: here is output of all required apt commands
07:23<finn0>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/77fba9f2/
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07:26<finn0>avu: still facing same issue. Here is output of `sudo apt full-upgrade` command: https://share.riseup.net/#drWdaCEUeOGjmPPcTdfD5A
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07:31<finn0>I think, I should try `aptitude` package manager which is good at resolving these kind of issues.
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07:35<annadane>it can be but i prefer aptitude for investigatory purposes
07:35<annadane>instead of just blindly pressing y on a proposed action
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07:38<annadane>if you can sense patterns it gives you a good idea of what's going on and what action you have to do to resolve something but it takes some getting used to
07:38<annadane>unless you want to just cycle through options and press y on the one you like, to each their own, i find it's almost never clean though
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08:04<finn0>Aptitude behaves very weird. When I install it using `sudo apt install aptitude` command it automatically runs `how-can-i-help` command. Here, output of `sudo apt install aptitude` command: https://share.riseup.net/#PvrZ81JGf89deP4oNn5VHA
08:05<annadane>well that's weird.
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08:09<annadane>i guess you may have had that package installed beforehand
08:09<annadane>"aptitude why how-can-i-help"
08:09<annadane>or just search the /var/log/apt/history.log and grep it
08:09<finn0>and also when I run `sudo aptitude upgrade` command it output some lines which resembles to output of `how-can-i-help` command. Here, output of `sudo aptitude upgrade` command: https://share.riseup.net/#LbjoF79OVahXktIPOSBt1Q
08:10<finn0>annadane: yes, you're right just before installing aptitude package I've installed `how-can-i-help` package.
08:13<finn0>annadane: output of `aptitude why how-can-i-help`: https://share.riseup.net/#7tCr-G_tlB7lMDbDgkjS6g
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08:15<annadane>it proooobably shouldn't be a depends or recommends :P
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08:16<finn0>annadane: Since, I don't seems like a bug. It more looks like a weird behavior of program. I should try to re-install aptitude package. May be aptitude is not installed properly.
08:17<annadane>i'm sure it installed fine
08:17<finn0>*it
08:17<annadane>how-can-i-help has nothing to do with your current issues
08:17<annadane>i'm sure you can configure it though to not be so spammy
08:18<annadane>or feel free to just uninstall it entirely
08:18<finn0>annadane: yes, that's what I'm going to do.
08:20<finn0>annadane: I doubted because when I first tried to installed `aptitude` package it's failed due to network connectivity problem and I've to re-run `sudo apt install aptitude` to install it.
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08:24<finn0>I know, installation is a post process first package and all of dependency downloaded then installation process begins. If this is a bug, I've know how to re-produce it so, I can report.
08:25*themill hasn't seen anything that looks like a bug
08:26<finn0>annadane: now, apt is showing this weird behavior. See output of `sudo apt autoremove` command: https://share.riseup.net/#PbEgI55226e6alAOZ2cu0w
08:27<annadane>well if you still have aptitude installed it definitely shouldn't autoremove aptitude-common
08:27<annadane>i'm running on no sleep so i think someone else should handle this
08:28<themill>finn0: you need to start explaining why you think something is wrong. Nothing that you have pastebinned looks wrong
08:29<finn0>themill: what are those two lines in the end of output of command
08:29<finn0>====== How can you help? (doc: https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help ) ======
08:29<finn0>----- Show old opportunities as well as new ones: how-can-i-help --old -----
08:29<themill>You installed how-can-i-help
08:30<themill>,i how-can-i-help
08:30<judd>Package how-can-i-help (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: show opportunities for contributing to Debian. Version: 16; Size: 11.3k; Installed: 37k; Homepage: https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/how-can-i-help
08:30<finn0>themill: yep. Is it expected behavior?
08:30<themill>Yes, that is what it supposed to do
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08:35<annadane>i think you should probably just re-post your initial "are these packages from debian 10" paste thingy
08:35<annadane>or i can find it
08:35<annadane>https://share.riseup.net/#8_y3WUuMVGtxR0vn7Sf7Vg https://share.riseup.net/#qspidWxUrOsAfwhKNLPJEw
08:35<annadane>that was the initial problem
08:37<finn0>here I combined all necessary output of commands at one place: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/77fba9f2/
08:37<finn0>annadane: Thanks. Good night...
08:39<finn0>My intial problem was that I can upgrade these two packages: gnupg-agent gnupg-l10n
08:39<finn0>* is
08:39<finn0>*I cannot upgrade
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08:42<themill>What does "apt full-upgrade" want to do?
08:42<themill>When it comes to upgrading packages installed from -backports, you will sometimes need to "apt install -t foo-backports packagename" to help apt out
08:44<finn0>themill: output of `sudo apt full-upgrade`: https://share.riseup.net/#mt7X__OTEZqQm2moqrtX4w
08:47<finn0>themill: but, I'm upgrading not installing and I always run `sudo apt upgrade` when there is a update available not matter it from where (whether by main, security or backport repo).
08:47<themill>I know
08:48<finn0>themill: I've a question. what are those "deb10" letter means in version?
08:48<finn0>is it represent package is for Debian 10 (i.e. Buster)?
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09:59<HalIncandenza>Hi guys, I'm having some problems with my new install. I got 32G of RAM and used the default graphical installation for setup. Now I just checked and apparently this means I only get 1.7G of RAM and the rest is SWAP space? Is this supposed to work like that? Why does Swap eat up my RAM, I though it's its own partition?
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10:08<blast007>what did you check with?
10:09<HalIncandenza>free -h
10:09<HalIncandenza>and htop
10:10<blast007>and the 'total' column says what for Mem? 1.7G?
10:10<HalIncandenza>yeah, and 31 for Swap
10:12<HalIncandenza>lsblk shows a dedicated lvm partition of that size, so my question is: what is the swap row in free -h actually showing me?, because if it's the lvm partition I'm missing a lot of ram, and if it's not, I'm not sure what it's supposed to be
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10:18<nevivurn>HalIncandenza: are you sure you actually have 32G of physical RAM? Swap is quite different from RAM, and should not be confused with each other.
10:19<HalIncandenza>Well I ordered it, but short of actually opening up my computer I'm not really sure how to check
10:19<HalIncandenza>I ordered it with 32G i mean
10:21<bremner>HalIncandenza: swap is not taking away from RAM, but buff/cache does (for disk cache)
10:21<bremner>this is generally harmless
10:22<bremner>HalIncandenza: can you pastebin the output of "free -h"?
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10:24<alex>did you install the 64 bit version of debian?
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10:30<HalIncandenza>https://pastebin.com/tbk4J6kn
10:32<HalIncandenza>im running 64bit debian
10:32<blast007>does your system's BIOS/UEFI show how much RAM is installed? or if not, can you check inside the computer to see how much is installed?
10:32<blast007>might also be able to use 'dmidecode' to look for the installed DIMMs
10:33<blast007>as root (via sudo or otherwise) you could run: dmidecode -t memory
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10:35<HalIncandenza>dmidecode shows me two 16G banks
10:40<bremner>huh. seeing is believing. You could cat /proc/meminfo to doublecheck that it's not a bug in free
10:45<HalIncandenza>https://pastebin.com/vmTH8h86
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10:46<bremner>yep, that's consistent with the free output
10:47<HalIncandenza>so what? I have two 16G banks that only produce 2G of RAM? Then why did Debian automatically create 32G of Swapspace? And how do I get the 30G back?
10:48<HalIncandenza>should I run diagnostics of the UEFI or memtest or something?
10:49<bremner>HalIncandenza: I'd maybe try a newer kernel version from backports.debian.org
10:51<HalIncandenza>what's "newer" in that context? im running Linux Saturn 5.2.0-2-686 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.9-2 (2019-08-21) i686 GNU/Linux
10:53<blast007>that's a 32-bit kernel - where did you get that one from?
10:53<HalIncandenza>wait really?
10:53<HalIncandenza>crap
10:54<blast007>did you install Debian, or some other distribution?
10:54<HalIncandenza>debian
10:54<blast007>which version of Debian?
10:54<bremner>testing or unstable from the looks of it.
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10:54<HalIncandenza>yes
10:56<bremner>I think your best bet is reinstall at this point (with amd64) and #debian-next for testing/sid support
10:56<HalIncandenza>why amd?
10:56<bremner>because that's what the 64bit intel arch is called in debian
10:56<bremner>and many other places
10:56<HalIncandenza>well that's not confusing at all
10:56<blast007>because AMD created the instruction set that both 64-bit x86 AMD and Intel use
10:56<bremner>just not in intel propaganda ;)
10:57<HalIncandenza>might explain why I picked the wrong iso
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10:57<blast007>also, the 'testing installer' is for testing the installer, not for installing testing
10:57<blast007>!testing installer
10:57<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
11:03<HalIncandenza>so debian-testing-amt64-DVD should be the correct one?
11:04<HalIncandenza>just so I don't embarrass myself any further
11:04<blast007>read what dpkg said
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11:11<HalIncandenza>sure, but what it links to is a bunch of files that all have "testing" in their names, so they are for testing the installing? but then the description says "These are files containing the installer and other software for the Debian GNU/Linux operating system. The files in this directory are specifically for the amd64 architecture. ", so there's not mention of that testing conundrum
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11:14<annadane>yes but the installer itself isn't that well tested
11:14<annadane>just install a minimal stable and upgrade to testing
11:14<blast007>https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ "All images linked below are for the version of *Debian Installer being developed for the next Debian release* ..."
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11:15<blast007>so, they're images for the installer, not for bullseye specifically
11:15<blast007>why do you want testing?
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11:16<HalIncandenza>well I used to come from arch, but now for work need something more reliable, so i figured testing is a good compromise
11:17<blast007>regarding testing: "You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!"
11:19<HalIncandenza>I mean I fully admit to possibly being wrong about this but I always figured this to be a caution for sysadmis, not desktop people. Testing used to mean to me the thing that you get when you don't want to use ubuntu
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11:22<blast007>there's differences with security updates that could certainly affect desktop users. https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
11:23<blast007>regardless, the suggested method to install testing is to install a minimal stable install, update your sources, upgrade, and then install other software (such as your desktop environment)
11:24<HalIncandenza>alright
11:24<HalIncandenza>thanks for the help, I'll try to get it right this time
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11:54<earend1>differences .. like what is difference between a duck?
11:55<earend1>+the
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11:56<earend1>!testing
11:56<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
11:57<earend1>is the codename for stable buster?
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12:00<blast007>yes, stable is currently buster
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13:01<friki>Hi, I have a question about good practices... I have concerns about next releases of specific package, may I write an email to the mantainer? Is it considered intrusive?
13:02<friki>As an alternative, I can open a bug requesting next upstream version to be packaged and add my comments there
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13:03<santanu>hello
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13:04<Vergo>friki: creating a bug report at least gets more visibility and allows other to join the discussion if necessary
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13:51<ralf>hello guys
13:52<ralf>i think i`ll need some help
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13:52<bremner>ok, what about specifically?
13:53<ralf>i use wifi network card
13:53<ralf>and after several minutes my download speed
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13:53<ralf>... very slow
13:54<ralf>like 10-40 B/s
13:58<bremner>for one particular AP?
13:59<ralf>for all APs
14:00<ralf>i tryed from my router and from my mobile HotSpot
14:00<bremner>and it persists after reboot?
14:01<ralf>it work for several minutes. after restart it`s work again
14:02<ralf>if i want to see a video on youtube, must to restart my laptop for like 5 times :( it`s very annoing
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14:03<bremner>ralf: what if you install iftop and look at the traffic on you wireless interface. Is there some heavy traffic you don't recognize?
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14:06<ralf>nothing
14:09<ralf>i had windows after this os for short time and it works fine
14:09<ralf>i had ubuntu linux mint kali... tottaly fine
14:10<bremner>ralf: what kind of wifi network card is it?
14:11<bremner>you might be missing some firmware
14:11<ralf>Intel Centrino Wireless-N
14:12<ralf>how can i check this?
14:12<ralf>i see it in iwconfig and ifconfig
14:13<bremner>do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed?
14:14<ralf>yes
14:14<ralf>by default
14:15<bremner>not sure what you mean "by default", but I don't have any other ideas
14:15<bremner>!iwlwifi
14:15<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
14:15<bremner>!iwl7000
14:15<dpkg>The Intel Dual Band Wireless AC (802.11ac, a/b/g/n compatible) 7000 series (e.g. 7260: PCI ID 8086:08b1, 3160: PCI ID 8086:08b3) is supported by <iwlwifi> since Linux 3.10. Firmware is required and packaged for Debian since firmware-iwlwifi 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-iwlwifi from <wheezy-backports>. See also <btusb>.
14:17<ralf>the firmware is allready installed and at last version
14:17<bremner>ok.
14:17<ralf>thank you for your time
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14:31<xchange>Hello everyone!
14:40<sqrt{not}>too bad ralf already left, they might benefit from the troubleshooting section of https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
14:41<sqrt{not}>(which is suggested by the bot factoid bremner invoked)
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14:42<xchange>Beginer here. Anyone know a guide to set it up a Buster Host with 2 NICs [External (WAN:Internet) / Internal (LAN:Local)]?
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14:45<sqrt{not}>dpkg, iwlwifi =~ s/devices/devices and troubleshooting hints/
14:45<dpkg>OK, sqrt{not}
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15:23<EmleyMoor>Whenever I try to use du, I get told "invalid option -- 'n'" - I'm not trying to use that option anyway
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15:25<EmleyMoor>Why would it tell me this? I need du working
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15:41<Vergo>EmleyMoor: "which du", and does /usr/bin/du also produce the error?
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15:43<EmleyMoor>Ah, found my problem
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15:46<Vergo>what was it?
15:48<xchange>Beginer here. Anyone know a guide to set up a Buster Host with 2 NICs [External (WAN:Internet) / Internal (LAN:Local)]?
15:49<Vergo>with NAT or something more complex?
15:50<xchange>Thank you for your responce. With NAT.
15:52<xchange>Should I begin with configuring the NICs? Give them static IPs for a start?
15:52<Vergo>during install, I suspect it will use the first detected nic for wan and then let you configure the other nic manually post-install
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15:53<xchange>Both are down. Should I try to configure them via the \etc\network\interfaces file ?
15:53<xchange>Only loopback is there now.
15:53<Vergo>you already have the system installed?
15:54<xchange>Yes but with no connectivity.
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15:54<Vergo>network setup is documented here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
15:54<Vergo>note that multiple sections are marked as legacy
15:55<laptop>what would you say is the min specs to view netflix or hdmi 1080p video using debian 10 and say chrome or firefox
15:56<Vergo>xchange: this appears to (somewhat) document what to do after the network setup itself is done: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables
15:56<xchange>So, I should set NICs up first and then use nftables to setup NAT and internal DHCP service?
15:57<Vergo>yes
15:57<xchange>I am going in...
15:57<xchange><X-Wing fighter sound>
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16:00<Vergo>laptop: most likely not the min specs but any i3 + some nvidia card should work
16:01<rocha>who is interested to answer .... how do I program in assembly using an interface in debian? thanks
16:02<Vergo>"an interface"?
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16:06<laptop>sadly i agree core2duo is too old
16:07<sqrt{not}>rocha: install package binutils, write program in a editor, feed it to /usr/bin/as
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16:10<Vergo>laptop: depending on the codec and how much the gpu can help offloading, a T7200 may be close or slightly below the minimum, I had such in my htpc previously until I upgraded it to a i3-6100T
16:11<rocha>In text mode I do but would like to do it in graphical mode.
16:11<rwp>Is /dev/usb/scanner* required to have xsane find a scanner? HP Photosmart C4480. No /dev/usb/scanner but /dev/usb/lp0 exist. lsusb lists it.
16:12<rwp>I have never used sane before to scan anything. Thrashing around trying to figure out how to make it scan...
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16:12<Vergo>rwp: "Usage: xsane [OPTION]... [DEVICE]" and "The format of [DEVICE] is backendname:devicefile (e.g. umax:/dev/scanner)" so according to that, you can give it the device directly
16:13<rwp>How might I give it the device directly? "Bus 002 Device 008: ID 03f0:6c11 HP, Inc Photosmart C4480"
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16:14<rocha>thanks for the answers .... :) thanks
16:14<Vergo>rwp: does 'dmesg' reveal which dev it populated?
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16:15<rwp>Hmm... When I unplug and re-plug the usb in syslog I see: Sep 15 14:14:47 torn colord-sane: io/hpmud/musb.c 2101: Invalid usb_open: Permission denied
16:16<rwp>A larger syslog snippet: http://paste.debian.net/1100936/
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16:17<rwp>The "[sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk" is somewhat crazy. I wonder if there is USB storage available on that printer? Maybe.
16:19<Vergo>rwp: try "xsane hp:/dev/usb/lp0"
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16:21<nardo>How do I get my Alcor Micro AU6601 PCI-E Flash card reader controller to work under Debian? I'm running testing with kernel 5.2.9-2 (2019-08-21)
16:22<rwp>Vergo, Thanks for the hint. It's hints like that I need. However it failed with: "Failed to open device `hp:/dev/usb/lp0': Invalid argument
16:23<xchange>Beginer here. Setting up a Buster Host with 2 NICs [External (WAN:Internet) / Internal (LAN:Local)].
16:23<xchange>Done IP parameters setup, machine can ping outside. What next? Setup up DHCP service for the internal NIC?
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16:23<rwp>I think there must be something missing in the udev database that it is not setting up the devices and not loading the right drivers for it.
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16:24<rwp>I have to mention this here but... This scanner works on a native MS-XP system. I am going to try it on a MS-Windows-10 VM using USB redirection. For debugging testing...
16:24<rwp>xchange, Next steps depend upon what you want. What are you wanting? Are you wanting your 2-NIC system to be a router?
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16:26<xchange>Thanks for your reply. Yes. I want it to act as a Firewall/NAT/Router box.
16:26<sqrt{not}>,pciid 03f0:6c11
16:26<judd>[03f0:6c11] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=03f0:6c11
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16:37<rwp>Thanks sqrt{not} for that. However also :-(
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16:51<rwp>xchange, I have always used an iptables compiler, Shorewall is my preferred one, to set up firewalls and routers. Others prefer different tools, or setting up rules directly with iptables/nftables commands.
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17:00<xchange>@rwp, Thanks for the info. It seems strange to me that there is no official guide somewhere for such a commonplace requirement, especially using the newer nft method. :(
17:02<xchange>Meanwhile, anyone with info of that (setting up Firewall/NAT router between Internal [Trusted]/External[Untrusted]) please let me know.
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17:06<rwp>xchange, We have passed a crossover point of sorts.
17:06<rwp>In the not too many days ago we would all have spewed forth the iptables commands you would need.
17:06<rwp>But now that is seen as too low level for the newbie who is asking how to do this.
17:06<rwp>Now tools (abominations IMNHO!) such as NetworkManager have taken over and so the theory goes that what you want to do is trivial using a few mouse clicks with NM.
17:06<rwp>Therefore there is no longer any need for details anymore.
17:07<rwp>So the theory goes today that one should make a few clicks on NetorkManager and have it do it for you with you none the wiser about how to do it.
17:08<rwp>I not using NM have no idea what to click upon there. So am unable to help about it.
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17:17<xchange>@rwp. If it is so easy for anyone knowledgeable, IPtables commands will be better than nothing for me.
17:17<xchange>I do not want to use NM for two reasons:
17:17<xchange> 1) As per the manual, it is NOT recommended for servers (my case)
17:18<xchange> 2) I am willing to go low level.
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17:20<xchange>BTW, I can see no reason knowledgeable people would not spew the NFTables commands for such a trivial task.
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17:25<rwp>xchange, Some years ago I wrote this HOWTO https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/HOWTO-shorewall.html for bootstrapping someone along the road with Shorewall.
17:25<rwp>It is a little out of date now but the concepts are still exactly the same.
17:25<rwp>If you skim it with the idea that it is just the seed for ideas and ignore the syntax that is slightly out of date then it may still be interesting and useful to you.
17:30<rwp>Note that my ISP does not support IPv6 as incredibly backward as that sounds today in 2019 and therefore I am unable to test IPv6 routing configurations. :-(
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17:39<utopic>allo
17:39<utopic>je cherche l'aide de quelqu'un
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17:42<rwp>!fr
17:42<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
17:43<xchange>@rwp. Thanks for that. ANY info is helpfull for me.
17:43<rwp>xchange, For your headless server is this a wired connection or a WiFi connection?
17:45<rwp>If WiFi then the wpa_supplicant snippets from https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/banana-pi/ may be of interesting. With the same caution about the dated stale age of the document.
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17:50<xchange>@rwp: OK, Both connections are wired. But I noticed that your site has lots of potentially usefull stuff.
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17:55<rwp>Much of it hasn't been dusted in many years. But if you find something of interest feel free to ask questions.
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18:20<retrospectacus>aaaaaaawwwwwwww yeah
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18:25<xchange>@rwp: I tried sysctl and tcpdump but they are "not found". Are they in an add-on package?
18:26<bremner>xchange: try "whereis sysctl"
18:27<bremner>tcpdump is indeed a package, as e.g. "apt search tcpdump" could tell you
18:27<xchange>...off i go!
18:28<somiaj>!buster su
18:28<dpkg>The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable so commands normally available to root are not found. Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior, or just use `su -` instead of plain `su`. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds.
18:29<somiaj>I am surprised sysctl isn't there by default, tcpdump not as much.
18:30<xchange>I got a list of paths. Is sysctl in EACH and EVERYONE of them?!?. First is: /usr/sbin/sysctl. Should i try this one?
18:30<bremner>sure
18:31<bremner>somiaj: procps (where sysctl is) is priority important. I guess that's almost "by default"
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18:32<xchange>Spot on! Tried "SU -" and sysctl worked! Thank you! I will have a look at "su -" vs "su"
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18:48<xchange>@bremner: I tried "apt search tcpdump" and got several packages back. I bet on the one with the same name: ... tcpdump!
18:50<xchange>...Fly in the ointment is that while other packs have names like <packname>/stable, this one reads: tcpdump/unknown,stable ......! What gives?
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18:56<bremner>dunno. You could pastebin the output of "apt policy tcpdump", that would probably explain it
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19:22<steve>hi
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19:23<xchange>@bremner Do you have experience of NAT setup using NFtables?
19:24<bremner>nope.
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19:26<xchange>Your "apt-search" command was really helpfull. Thank you!
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19:27<bremner>yeah, I wish it had a builtin pager, but can't have everything
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20:09<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I would like to know which security features the Debian Project is concerned with implementing in Debian and always keeping them up to date so that the System as a whole remains always secure. A Linux system like Debian does not need to use antivirus, as is the case with Windows.
20:09<rob_debian>In this case, can we say that a Debian system is more secure than a Windows system, because hackers do not write programs for Linux, but only for Windows? Is it just for this reason, or are there other implications involved?
20:10<rob_debian>I asked that because whenever I update My Debian, lots of security packages are applied on it.
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20:14<blast007>there is certainly malware that targets linux, but Windows tends to be a bigger target due to marketshare (and likely also because it tends to be an easier target, partially due to the users)
20:15<blast007>plus there's plenty of attacks that don't care about operating systems, such as phishing, malicious extensions, etc
20:15<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/SecurityManagement
20:28<rob_debian>Back again. Hi blast007, nice and glad to see you here ! I see....Let me check it more carefully, thank you blast007 !:)
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21:03<xchange>Goodnight Everyone!
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22:03<gump>hi,everybody. I installed buster on my old laptop. Compared to stretch, it boots much slower. how can I solve this problem?
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22:13<blast007>gump: if you're using systemd, you could check 'systemd-analyze blame' to see if there's a unit that it taking a long time, or you could use 'systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg' and then open the resulting SVG to see a visualization of system service initialization
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22:26<gump>22.649s ifupdown-pre.service
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22:34<sqrt{not}>dpkg, buster entropy is In Buster, stricter random number initialization can slow down booting on some computer models. See buster release notes https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation and the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/BoottimeEntropyStarvation
22:34<dpkg>okay, sqrt{not}
22:39<sqrt{not}>dpkg, buster entropy =~ s/stable/buster/
22:39<dpkg>sqrt{not}: OK
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23:08-!-wololoer is "user" on #qemu #kvm #virt #suckless #openjdk #debian-next #debian
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23:13-!-wyatt8740 is "Wyatt Ward" on #debian
23:17-!-futune [~futune@ip-62-245-72-189.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #debian
23:17-!-futune is "realname" on #debian
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23:18-!-handsome_feng is "realname" on #debian-zh #debian-ubuntu #debian
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23:29<alireza>hi
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23:41<techradix>hi
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---Logclosed Mon Sep 16 00:00:16 2019