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---Logopened Fri Sep 20 00:00:11 2019
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00:00<parrot>thank you
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00:34<awal1>a few years I haven't used xfce but i remember that xfce have something about saving session in it's system setting
00:35<yuri_>How do I use Rufus on debian?
00:35<awal1>what is rufus?
00:35<annadane>yuri_, why?
00:36<awal1>dpkg: rufus
00:36<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
00:36<yuri_>I used Rufus for my usb install
00:37<yuri_>I want to burn Ubuntu on my USB
00:37<yuri_>I think I am gonna try some Ubuntu then come back to Debian when I know what I am doing
00:37<jm_>good plan, but don't use rufus :)
00:37<annadane>it's possible, yeah. if you're using windows we recommend win32diskimager
00:38<annadane>or cp or dd if burning linux images within a debian or linux system
00:38<annadane>the debian install guide mentions it
00:38<sqrt{not}>yuri_: if you still have a working debian system, use it to download your ubuntu and to copy it to the USB
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00:38<yuri_>I am on Debian right now
00:39<yuri_>Idk how to burn Ubuntu without Rufus
00:39<sqrt{not}>download some ubuntu image something.version.xxxxx.iso
00:40<sqrt{not}>then insert your usb stick, and see what device it is, probably somthing like /dev/sdb1 or similar
00:41<jm_>its installation manual is pretty much the same as debian's, see
00:41<awal1>yuri_, seriously, you don't need to use ubuntu before debian. nowadays, 99,99 of debian is graphical. use gnome/kde desktop and you will be fine
00:41<sqrt{not}>then you give a command like this: cp ubuntu.image.whatever.iso /dev/sdb
00:42<jm_>and triple check /dev/sdb is the correct device
00:42<sqrt{not}>(note that here you say only /dev/sdb not the full /dev/sdb1 IT MAY BE SOME OTHER NAME, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ONE
00:42<annadane>'lsblk' to list your devices, check out the sizes, you'll know which one is the right one
00:43<annadane>if i have a 900 GB hard drive and a 15 GB usb it's clear which one is which for example
00:43<awal1>if you use ubuntu and you may have all already ready for you, you may end just like a regular windows$ user, "ignorant" about what you are using, almost
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00:44<annadane>meh, that's fine for some people. a lot of people use debian quite happily. though i hear it breaks more than debia
00:45<awal1>yuri_, my best suggestion is use a pure debian default and try new stuff in a debian vm. when you know what you do, install them in your real debian machine
00:46<sqrt{not}>thomasross: My stretch box, with gnome, is connected to a KVM switch, which sometimes disconnects the monitor, mouse, keyboard, and connects them to another machine. when I switch it back to the stretch system, everything is just like I left it, no restoring needed.
00:46<awal1>yuri_, what useage are you planning to do with debian system?
00:46<awal1>or any other gnu/linux system
00:47<yuri_>Like what I want to use it for?
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00:47<yuri_>Writing, Activism, and to stay out of the eyes of big brother.
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00:48<yuri_>I am planning to use switch to Ubuntu because my Debian is kinda fuck.
00:48<yuri_>I think some folders are corrupted.
00:51<awal1>yuri_, dualbooting with windows or just debian?
00:53<yuri_>Just Debian.
00:53<yuri_>I brought a huge usb just for this.
00:53<yuri_>For saving stuff.
00:54<yuri_>I was 100% or 0%. Once I go I do it all the way.
00:54<awal1>download debian iso image so and follow annadane link for burn it into a usb stick
00:54<awal1>and install as usual so
00:54<yuri_>Wait you want me to reinstall debian?
00:55<yuri_>Not Ubuntu?
00:55<awal1>you can follow some video for that on youtube ifthat is more easy for you
00:55<somiaj>yuri_: we really only support debian here. One second on copying the ubuntu .iso to a usb using debian.
00:55<yuri_>I see.
00:55<awal1>well, you are on the official debian chanel now. what do you want to hear so? lol
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00:57<somiaj>yea, looks like you can just copy it to the usb. 'cp ubuntu.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is the usb device you want to copy it to
00:58<awal1>yuri_, if you use debian "default" desktop, or any other (kde, xfce...) , you will have no problems. it is all graphicval just like ubuntu/mint. the only difference it is that ubunutu and derivatives installs by default some privative stuff
00:58<awal1>well, they also modified some configs , for commercial reason and so
01:00<awal1>anyway, linuxmint is even more newbie friendly/easy, yuri_
01:01<awal1>if you find that debian is "hard" for you now
01:01<awal1>and also more stable then ubuntu
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01:03<awal1>yuri_, i encourage you to use debian , but if you hesitate, i seriously suggest you linuxmint, not ubuntu
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01:04<yuri_>The problem is my Debian is idk corrupted or something. When I try to shutdown or logout my computer freezes.
01:05<yuri_>Why don't you support Ubuntu?
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01:06<yuri_>My discord is corrupted and I have no idea how to fix it on Debian.
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01:51<grove>!based on debian
01:51<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
01:52<grove>^ yuri : That explains why we din't support ubuntu (or any other derivative)
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02:01<yuri>Yeah but I wanted to know how to burn a .iso into a drive using Debian.
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03:10<yuri>How to clean a USB using Debian?
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04:04<debianaut>Just updated after 30 days no reboot and cannot get WIFI working again. Debian 10 64bit on Macbook Pro 8.1 Kernel 4.19.0-6 - ready to set myself on fire. PLS Let me know what other info I can give so you legends can help me. Tried reinstalling drivers etc, no luck. Rebooted multiple times. Restarted networking service.
04:05<debianaut>Updates did happen during 30 days, just no reboot.
04:05<debianaut>Good God in heaven above I have proprietary network drivers.
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04:16<debianaut>I might have to ask this again later as I will miss the responses when I go offline from cable connection :C
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04:45<TempHorse>how to install guest additions of Virtual box
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04:49<jm_>depends on guest OS
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04:50<TempHorse>i mean hot to install of guest debian
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04:50<jm_>but ingeneral, debian has virtualbox-guest-additions-iso which you load in cd-rom of yourguest then run the tools
04:50<TempHorse>How to install guest Additions if virtual box on debian guest os
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04:51<TempHorse>virtualbox-guest-additions-iso where to get this file
04:51<jm_>if your debian version includes virtualbox-guest-dkms, then that'sprobably simpler
04:51<TempHorse>apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-x11 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
04:51<TempHorse>will this work?
04:52<TempHorse>i mean its safe to run this?
04:52<jm_>yes if your version of debian includes virtualbox (buster does not)
04:52<TempHorse>okay i have bluster , how to include it?
04:53<jm_>you could try using the version from stretch-backports or install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso and attach that ISO to debian and run the tools
04:54<TempHorse>what is this , i cannot understand?
04:54<jm_>apt-cache show virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
04:54<jm_>read its description
04:54<EmleyMoor>Are different USB 3 ports differently reliable? I have had two USB 3 problems in the last 12 hours...
04:54<TempHorse>will this work
04:55<TempHorse>i mean look at the last
04:55<jm_>I'll be back in about 30 minutes
04:55<TempHorse>man i will be gone in 30 mins :-(
04:56<EmleyMoor>TempHorse: What exactly is your issue?
04:56<TempHorse>i want to install guest additions
04:56<TempHorse>on debian guest os
04:57<EmleyMoor>Will you please type in complete sentences? If you've done the preceding requirements, step 7 should work
04:59<EmleyMoor>Step 7 should be performed on the guest, once it's up and running normally
05:03<EmleyMoor>If it doesn't work, explain as fully as possible where it goes wrong.
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05:05<TempHorse>i got error
05:05<mendelmunkis>temphorse: what error?
05:05<TempHorse>its says broken
05:05<TempHorse>broken packages
05:06<TempHorse>how to make a copy of my terminal to u
05:06<mendelmunkis>!dpkg paste
05:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: | pics/screenshots: or | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): or | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
05:06<TempHorse>pastebin command to make a copy
05:07<EmleyMoor>(offending command again) | pastebinit -a TempHorse -i -
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05:07<debianaut>Has anyone recommended solutions to my wifi problems while I was offline?
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05:08<sarnold>debianaut: I don't think so
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05:09<debianaut>Darn :C, depressing.
05:09<EmleyMoor>(of course you have to have pastebinit installed)
05:10<TempHorse>man how to install it
05:10<EmleyMoor>On the machine concerned, apt install pastebinit
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05:12<TempHorse>no it do not work
05:12<TempHorse>its a broken package
05:12<EmleyMoor>You seem to have a load of broken packages
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05:12<mendelmunkis>do you have nc
05:13<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get a list of broken packages?
05:14<EmleyMoor>(if we knew what was broken it might make it easier to help fix)
05:14<TempHorse>bro i cannot undertsand how to deliver my shell to u
05:15<mendelmunkis>temphorse: what happens if you type nc in terminal?
05:15<TempHorse>its says cmd line:
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05:16<mendelmunkis>try sudo apt-get install pastebinit | nc 9999
05:16<TempHorse>plx i dont not want pastebinit to install not want tpo fix
05:17<TempHorse>i wanted to install my guest Additions
05:17<TempHorse>of virtual box it says error in it
05:17<EmleyMoor>TempHorse: Do you want help? If so, you need to help us to help you
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05:18<EmleyMoor>Either copy and paste, or at worst type the full messages
05:18<TempHorse>but bro , i dont want to have pastebinit
05:18<mendelmunkis> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions | nc 9999
05:18<mendelmunkis> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso | nc 9999
05:19<EmleyMoor>Follow what mendelmunkis is saying, first
05:20<debianaut>anyone know what the kmod equivalent to the modprobe command is?: modprobe -r b43 && modprobe b43
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05:22<nikos>I have an external HDD that doesn't spin down when my laptop is powered off, weirdly it actually gets warmer to the touch than when the computer is powered on and idle. Any ideas how to debug?
05:23<EmleyMoor>nikos: How is this HDD poweredL
05:23<nikos>EmleyMoor: External power supply, it's in a USB3 enclosure
05:24<GyrosGeier>yeah, it's not being told to shut down
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05:25<hello>hi i m temp horse
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05:25<Guest2961>what is i download this
05:26<Guest2961>and then do this
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05:26<nikos>GyrosGeier: Figured as much (though I did expect a timeout/automatic spindown). How could it be remedied?
05:26<annadane>well first of all unless you're using sid don't download a sid package
05:27<annadane>and i suggest not using sid unless you know debian very well
05:27<GyrosGeier>nikos, hdparm lets you set a timeout
05:27<mendelmunkis>Guest2961: whats your host os?
05:27<Guest2961>what is theat bro
05:27<GyrosGeier>whether that actually gets passed through depends on the enclosure
05:27<Guest2961>windows 10
05:28<Guest2961>what is sid?
05:28<annadane>sid is debian unstable and you linked to
05:28<annadane>you want 'buster', the current stable
05:30<Guest2961>okay i ruiend everything , bye bye to my debian
05:30<nikos>GenTooMan: From a quick google it seems like that doesn't persist between reboots/resets. With an external drive that may be plugged in at any point it seems a bit of a pain to handle when to run it.
05:31<nikos>Oh, udev might work
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05:32<Guest2961>i did that before u told
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05:32<Guest2961>now my os is gone?
05:32<EmleyMoor>You never learn much about Debian until you've hosed it at least once!
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05:32<annadane>well you didn't tell me what you did
05:33<annadane>first of all i don't even know what your problem is in general, ie what you're trying to do
05:33<annadane>but i'm just saying, don't *install* sid packages on a debian stable
05:33<annadane>,v libc6
05:33<Guest2961>what will happen if i install sid packages?
05:33<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-1; sid: 2.29-1
05:34<Guest2961>will it not be stable?
05:34<grove>Guest2961: In most cases it will fail
05:34<annadane>so the main issue is they might pull in a lot of dependencies which might screw up your system
05:34<EmleyMoor>Guest2961: You may well break things, as you have
05:35<Guest2961>it downloaded 57 mb of sometine , and installed it and said 'Done!'
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05:36<mendelmunkis>temphorse: whats the result of "apt list xserver-xorg-core*"
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05:38<Guest2961>sir it is doing something
05:38<annadane>individual sid packages aren't the end of the world for instance - though they're not as well tested as stable packages and are subject to updates more often than stable packages - but for instance, and the worst case scenario really, if you install arbitrary package x from debian unstable ("sid") which depends on libc6 2.34 (i'm making this up, don't know what it is now in sid) but your debian stable has libc6 2.28...
05:38<annadane>a ton of programs rely on the 2.28 version of libc6 and you will get a very screwed up debian
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05:39<Guest2961>i think it is installing
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05:39<annadane>this is why for instance when there are packages in backports (, those packages are compiled *for debian stable* even though they're taken from debian testing
05:39<annadane>so that there isn't dependency pulling in which might cause breakage
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05:39<Guest2961>it is saying building modules of kernel
05:40<mendelmunkis>Guest2961: did you type "apt list" or "apt install"?
05:40<annadane>i'm going to bed because it's too late to be doing any kind of tech support but i'm sure others can help
05:40<mendelmunkis>good night annadane
05:40<Guest2961>annadame thanks
05:40<annadane>when mendel said "apt list xserver-xorg-core"
05:40<annadane>did you "apt list" or "apt install"
05:40<annadane>your wording isn't clear
05:41<Guest2961>apt install
05:41<annadane>so, that's not apt list
05:41<annadane>reading will make your debian existence smoother :P
05:41<mendelmunkis> it works out though because the purpose was to see if you need to install it.
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05:44<mendelmunkis>how did you install debian on your guest?
05:44<Guest2961>by dvd
05:45<Guest2961>by downloading dvd1
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05:46<Guest2961>it is now working after installing virtual box guest addition
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05:47<Guest2961>thanks mendelmunkis
05:47<mendelmunkis>no problem
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05:51<annadane>eww MATE
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05:54<Guest2961>what is that
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05:54<mendelmunkis>your desktop system
05:54<annadane>your graphical display thingy
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05:55<annadane>i'm not a fan, but to each their own
05:55<Guest2961>is mate not good? not in use generally ?
05:55<annadane>no no, it's fine
05:55<annadane>i just don't like how it looks :P
05:56<Guest2961>i am new, i dont even know what options i have , i just installed
05:56<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: Reference manual: FAQ: - reading is also a very good idea.
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06:03<annadane>mate really needs, like, mate-panel like xfce has xfce4-panel
06:03<annadane>as it is there really isn't that
06:03<annadane>but i digress
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06:04<Guest2961>i see many options
06:04<Guest2961> [ jessie ] [ stretch-backports ] [ buster ] [ bullseye ] [ sid ]
06:04<Guest2961>[ Source: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso ]
06:04<annadane>Guest2961, 'cat /etc/debian_version'
06:05<Guest2961>id=f i install buster , then it would be stable ?
06:05<annadane>correct, buster is current stable
06:05<annadane>install buster *if you have buster*.
06:06<annadane>install the buster version of that package, i meant.
06:06<annadane>however i think you also installed some sid stuff earlier, i'm not sure what condition your system is in at the moment
06:06<Guest2961>okay by mistake i did sid , how to change it?
06:06<annadane>so the short answer is
06:06<annadane>!partial downgrade
06:06<dpkg>This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
06:06<Guest2961>and do i need to?
06:07<annadane>the longer answer is, post your /var/log/apt/history.log so we can look at what it installed
06:08<annadane>if you did mess up your system irreparably, backing up files/reinstalling isn't hard
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06:10<Guest2961>how to put it in termbin
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06:10<mendelmunkis>cat <file> | nc termbin 9999
06:11<mendelmunkis>cat dumps a file to your terminal
06:11<Guest2961>got it
06:12<annadane>okay, so that cuts off
06:12<Guest2961>yes sir.
06:12<annadane>i don't know why, termbin should support longer than that
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06:13<mendelmunkis>the default for termbins backend is 32768 bytes.
06:15<mendelmunkis>guest2961 you can just copy-paste the file into pastebin though
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06:18<mendelmunkis>I've got to go now but good luck.
06:19<Guest2961>okay sir
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06:41<StyXman>I have 3 computers, all of them have 1Gibs eth ports, one of them two of those. That machine has both in a bridge and is working as a switch. I have two Cat5e cables connecting NB <-> SW <-> NB, but all links go only to 100Mibs. If I try to force 1000Mibs, I get no communication. Is tehre anything else i could try except other cables? I also tried NB <-> NB with both cables and nothing, still 100Mibs. this also means that autoneg is
06:41<StyXman>working in all cases
06:41<StyXman>I force 1000Mibs with sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg off on all eths and restarting networking
06:51<Guest2961>plz check my logs
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06:52<Guest2961>as annadane stated
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07:07<jm_>StyXman: you should definitely try different cables - I had the same, upgraded to gigabit and one machine was stuck on 100Mbps, changed the cable and got gigabit just fine
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07:08<Guest2961>hi sir
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07:08<jm_>you could also try connecting computers directly (these days NIC-s can automatically handle that)
07:08<Guest2961>plz check my logs
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07:10<StyXman>jm_: ok, any suggestions when buying new ones?
07:10<StyXman>jm_: I did; nothing, still 100Mibs
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07:14<jm_>StyXman: for new cables? no, I just used something cable I got with another appliance (probably set top box from ISP); still, if they really are cat5e they should work with gigabit just fine
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07:15<StyXman>they're of unknown source, so I don't know
07:17<StyXman>they're industrial, not hand made
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07:19<jm_>I'd just buy some new cables, they should be cheap
07:20<Guest2961>plz check my logs
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07:25<StyXman>Guest2961: where? link?
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08:18<StyXman>Guest2961: what's the issue, what am I looking for?
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08:24<Guest2961>is my debian stable
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08:40<StyXman>yes, and? sorry, I was not here when you first stated your problem
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10:02<yuri>I have questions about privacy, for full privacy would you recommend Debian or Ubuntu?
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10:09<GyrosGeier>yuri, either works if you know what you're doing, neither works if you don't know what you're doing
10:09<GyrosGeier>security is not a product, but a process
10:09<yuri> What do I need to do?
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10:09<GyrosGeier>best privacy oriented distro is probably Tails
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10:10<yuri>I have tails but I don't want to make it my main system.
10:10<GyrosGeier>step one is to identify what threats you want to protect against
10:10<grove>I don't think there are any differences that really matters when it comes to privacy. I think the biggest issue comes from websites, and for protecting against that you need plugins for (most?) browsers, and in that game both good and bad can be said for frequent updates, which is probably the biggest difference between debian and ubuntu when it comes to browsers (disclaimer: I've never used ...
10:10<grove>... ubuntu on a desktop)
10:11<GyrosGeier>anything more convenient than Tails will trade some privacy for it
10:12<GyrosGeier>there is a reason why the Tor browser has a fixed window size
10:12<GyrosGeier>resizing the window makes you identifiable
10:12<GyrosGeier>installing fonts makes you identifiable
10:13<yuri> What I want to ask is. Is the company that owns Ubuntu trustworthy?
10:13<GyrosGeier>no company is
10:13<yuri>My Debian is having some major issues right now. I don't know if I would rather reinstall Debian or try Ubuntu heard it's more user friendly.
10:14<GyrosGeier>they make some questionable decisions sometimes, e.g. there was a controversy about desktop search including internet results
10:14<GyrosGeier>generally "user friendly" is difficult to define
10:14<grove>That depends on what you mean by trust. I trust that they produce a new release twice a year. I wouldn't trust them in a lot of other regards
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10:15<GyrosGeier>is it "user friendly" if the system mounts every USB stick that is plugged in automatically?
10:15<grove>That's not friendly to me
10:16<yuri>Sigh, think I'll just reinstall Debian. Ubuntu owned by company turns me off.
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10:16<GyrosGeier>is it user friendly if they make a printer setup dialog, but lock you out from the CUPS web frontend because that has options the dialog doesn't understand, so if you went into the web frontend and set these options, the dialog would stop working?
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10:17<yuri>So I only have Debian on my system. Is there a easier way to reinstall Debian besides burning it on a USB? Cause idk how to burn something on a USB in Debian.
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10:20<GyrosGeier>yuri, with dd
10:20<thsnr>yuri: the debian ISO-s are special such that they can be copied directly onto the USB device, see
10:20<grove>USB is just a method for connecting stuff, my keyboard and mouse is connected via USB, you can't store anything on those. Even when you can store things on a device, it generally doesn't matter if it is attached via USB or something else.
10:20<yuri>Ok yeah my Debain is really fucked up... I can't even open firefox right now.
10:20<GyrosGeier>grove, you can always travel to the US with the laptop in the checked luggage
10:21<grove>And while I ranted, GyrosGeier said what you needed to know
10:21<GyrosGeier>when you get it back, your keyboard can store data
10:21<GyrosGeier>on my workstation I went lazy and made a readonly LVM LV with the debian installer in it
10:22<GyrosGeier>from a rescue system
10:22<grove>At home I have a programmable keyboard, that can already, but we're going way off-topic
10:22<GyrosGeier>I used that to install the main system and now keep using that to install VMs on-demand
10:22<GyrosGeier>but the USB stick is simpler
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10:29<yuri>Do you know why I can't open any browner?
10:29<bremner>probably some third party thing you installed
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10:30<yuri>I could still go on last night now I can't after sleeping.
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10:30<jhutchins_wk>yuri: Do you have an iso image of the installer?
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10:33<jhutchins_wk>I wonder how you got Debian installed in the first place then. Do you have a working system that you can use to download?
10:34<yuri>So I got it in my USB and I deleted it for Ubuntu but now I am having second thoughts so I decide to do Debian again.
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10:35<yuri>I could get a working system but it'll be a lot of problem.
10:35<yuri>I just need to go on the net and I can do it myself.
10:36<paddy>GyrosGeier: i like your answer to yuri. inspiring. thank you
10:37<paddy>my question to add to that would be - how can you keep going while you make things more and more secure?
10:38<GyrosGeier>I have a list of things I want to be secure from
10:38<GyrosGeier>I make sure that these are checked
10:38<GyrosGeier>anything else can be convenient
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10:39<GyrosGeier>also, I normally start with a minimal system and add features, rather than starting with a large system and removing things
10:40<paddy>ah, yes
10:40<paddy>keep simple things simple
10:40<GyrosGeier>my normal setup for a new machine is "apt install xterm ratpoison xorg"
10:40<GyrosGeier>no desktop environment
10:41<paddy>gnome3 makes it too easy for people to do graphical effects with a few remote commands
10:43<GyrosGeier>graphical effects are just slow
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10:44<paddy>and drain the brain
10:44<GyrosGeier>especially as my main work machines are really vnc on a server that is way too loud to keep at home
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10:44<GyrosGeier>although the new workstation is nice
10:45<paddy>6 cores or more? :)
10:45<yuri>Ok my friend will let me use his laptop. I heard Rufus sucks since that was what I used for this Debian.
10:45<yuri>What burner should I use on windows?
10:45<GyrosGeier>paddy, processor : 63
10:45<GyrosGeier>cpu : POWER9, altivec supported
10:45<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
10:46<GyrosGeier>also, radix MMU, so I don't have to configure hugepages
10:46<paddy>okay, well. as senior developer
10:47<mendelmunkis>anyone have any idea why x (the backtrace seems to show it as would segfault?
10:48<paddy>yuri: when you search for "free iso burner" you might get what you look for
10:49<GyrosGeier>mendelmunkis, that is closed source code
10:49<GyrosGeier>maybe it has a bug
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10:50<mendelmunkis>gyrosgeier: thanks
10:50<GyrosGeier>the glxserver stuff is basically the bit that partitions the GPU memory
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10:51<GyrosGeier>I'd expect it to be written in a way that assumes that the client is the same version of nV glx code
10:51<GyrosGeier>and do only little error checking
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10:53<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
10:54<jhutchins_wk>yuri: ^
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12:14<mling12>Hello, noob question here. I installed Debian stable a few days ago, yesterday I ensured the system was up to date. Now all of a sudden there are around 1GB of packages to update from today.
12:15<mling12>Is it normal for all updates to be pushed to one day like this?
12:15<bremner>was there a point release?
12:15<mling12>Are there certain update days for Debian where this happens, e.g. like Windows patch Tuesday?
12:15<bremner>yes, those are called point releases
12:16<bremner>but I don't think 10.2 is out yet
12:16<bremner>show us your sources.list?
12:16<mling12>bremner: Okay thanks, it's probably something else then.
12:16<mling12>The most likely reason being, yesterday I added a couple of sources to my sources.list
12:17<bremner>yep, that sounds plausible
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12:18<mling12>bremner: I had to add the sid repo to install a certain bit of software, I assume this now wants to update all my stable packages to the sid version?
12:18<bremner>many, yes
12:18<bremner>this is not a recommended mode of operation, fwiw
12:19<mling12>bremner: I was following a third party tutorial where they asked to do it
12:19<mling12>which is stupid of me:)
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12:20<mling12>I suppose now I'll generate a new sources.list, run apt-get update and things should be fine?
12:20<jhutchins_wk1>mling12: Unlikely, you have frankendebian now.
12:20<bremner>it's a good start, but things won't downgrade automatically
12:21<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:21<jhutchins_wk1>That's the correct way to do it.
12:21<mling12>jhutchins_wk1: bremner: I've not actually done apt-get upgrade yet
12:21<mling12>I only installed maybe one or two specific packages
12:21<jhutchins_wk1>mling12: Yeah, but you did an install with sid enabled, there's no telling what it pulled in
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12:23<mling12>jhutchins_wk: Shall I look at the apt history log from yesterday?
12:23<mling12>Then uninstall the packages comepletely?
12:23<mling12>Then reinstall using the proper method you posted?
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12:35<jhutchins_wk>mling12: That might be a good idea. You're most likely to run into problems in future package upgrades where the Sid package conflicts with something
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12:40<mling12>jhutchins_wk: Thanks. I've found the name of each induvidual package from yesterday. Is simply using just apt-get remove [package names] sufficient in this instance?
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12:44<jhutchins_wk>mling12: purge instead of remove.
12:44<mling12>jhutchins_wk: okay thanks
12:45<retrospectacus>is one of them libc6? ;D
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12:48<mling12>retrospectacus: libx11-6:amd64
12:48<mling12>a few other lib*s
12:48<mling12>I got an error tying to run the command
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12:49<retrospectacus>dpkg: bat
12:49<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:50<mling12>these packages were apparently all installed yesterday
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12:51<mling12>So unsure why it says some of them are not installed.
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12:51<retrospectacus>what about the actual package you wanted in the first place? I don't see it there
12:52<mling12>retrospectacus: openjdk-8-jdk:amd64
12:52<retrospectacus>judd: v openjdk-8-jdk
12:52<judd>Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u222-b10-1; experimental: 8u232-b04-1
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12:53<nodiscc>hi everyone, my soundcard (E-MU 0404 PCI, PCI ID 1102:0008, snd_emu10k1 module) stopped working not long ago (Debian Stretch). In /var/log/apt/history.log I see a firmware update on 2019-09-16, might be related. ANyway the module is properly loaded but I can't see the card in aplay -l
12:53<nodiscc>in dmesg there is a message 'snd_emu10k1 0000:05:01.0: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file failed, reg = 0x14'
12:54<nodiscc>what should I try?
12:54<retrospectacus>mling12: well I suppose that some of these are upgrades, not things that were newly installed yesterday.
12:56<mling12>retrospectacus: hmm possibly
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12:56<mling12>Any recommendation for resolving this?
12:56<retrospectacus>mling12: I would just try purging them one at a time. If it wants to do something bad (remove other stuff you want to keep), then check 'apt-cache policy libXX' and install the buster version like apt-get install libXX=1.2.3
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12:57<retrospectacus>or reinstall (:
12:58<sqrt{not}>,pciid 1102:0008
12:58<judd>[1102:0008] is 'CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series]' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in stretch. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module.
12:58<mling12>retrospectacus: okay thanks I'll do that
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12:59<retrospectacus>(where libXX and 1.2.3 are the appropriate package and version ofc
13:00<retrospectacus>dang my keyboard won't type the right bracket anymore. :(
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13:03<mling12>retrospectacus: worst case scenario if they're that important, I can just reinstall the package:)
13:03<mling12>would rather know I've removed them properly, can always add back. Unless it breaks apt that is
13:04<mling12>apt-get purge roperly, can always add back. Unless it breaks apt that i
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13:07<nodiscc>sqrt{not}: yep its an old card :) maybe I should grab the firmware from or upgrade to buster... but I'm so lazy
13:08<mling12>bremner: jhutchins_wk: jretrospectacus: all purged, nothing has broken, sources.list back to normal, thanks for your help
13:08<nodiscc>maybe that's why i use Debian in the first place :)
13:10<nodiscc>maybe the oldest part of this pc now that I think of it. Bought somewhere around 2004 old school but sounds good
13:10<sqrt{not}>nodiscc: but you say it was working before a recent update ? was the firmware package updated ?
13:11<sqrt{not}>nodiscc: it looks like that advice to grab firmware from alsa-project doesn't apply to your device, because it is Audigy
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13:11<nodiscc>sqrt{not}: yeah it was. Noticed it about 2 days ago. In /var/log/apt/history.log there is, I suspect this might be related
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13:14<nodiscc>(it's not really an Audigy card, though it always appeared like this in lspci)
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13:16<nodiscc>I remember grabbing the fw from alsa-project used to work on debian 6 or 7...while ago... maybe I will retry that
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13:21<sqrt{not}>nodiscc: that might be the best bet. do you have any idea what the file name of the firmware blob might have been ?
13:21<nodiscc>$ sudo dmesg |grep '0000:05:01.0:'
13:25<sqrt{not}>nodiscc: does that file exist on your system ?
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13:25<sqrt{not}>I don't see it in the debian packages
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13:26<GyrosGeier>is there an equivalent in iproute for "route -n get" ?
13:26<GyrosGeier>basically, I want to query the routing table whether a particular address is directly reachable
13:27<GyrosGeier>i.e. a net route
13:27<nodiscc>ip route get ADDRESS
13:27<GyrosGeier>that gives me the default route if I'm on another net
13:28<GyrosGeier>the route command fails if I'm not directly connected
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13:32<retrospectacus>ip route get ADDRESS |grep local
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13:40<Echoz[m]>GyrosGeier: ip route get ADDRESS | grep -v via
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13:42<retrospectacus>if ! ip r get $address 2>&1 | grep -q via ; then echo local; fi
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13:46<nodiscc>sqrt{not}: there is a file at /lib/firmware/emu/emu0404.fw that was placed here by following long ago
13:46<nodiscc>if I delete it and use /usr/local/lib/firmware/emu like suggested in the wiki page (not /lib/firmware/emu/)
13:47<nodiscc>when i modprobe snd-emu10k1 I get:
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13:47<nodiscc>snd_emu10k1 0000:05:01.0: Direct firmware load for emu/emu0404.fw failed with error -2
13:49<nodiscc>I just rebuilt it from, and I'm back with the original message (emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file failed, reg = 0x14)
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13:57<wonderworld>hey, are unattended-updates well working and stable? i would like to put them on a few servers i used to update by hand. it's critical, that they don't mess up things and interrupt service, so i was wondering what your experiences are.
13:57<nodiscc>only other recent updates were libdatetime-timezone-perl, tzdata
13:58<nodiscc>wonderworld: excellent so far with unattended-upgrades/stable + needrestart for warnings
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14:00<wonderworld>what would needrestart do? send you a mail when a reboot is needed?
14:01<nodiscc>yes either that or plug it into other monitoring systems
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14:02<nodiscc>i configure it to write a status file, and the monitoring polls/parses the file
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14:05<nodiscc>i can look up the details if you need
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14:06<nodiscc>but my soundblaster doesn't work tho
14:06<wonderworld>no you don't need to
14:07<wonderworld>i do monitoring with icinga, could write my own plugin for it
14:07<wonderworld>just collecting experiences to make an educated decision
14:07<wonderworld>thank you
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14:11<nodiscc>for simple servers with only debian stuff it will be fine. with stable+backports it's fine for me. if you have a custom/non debian appservice with lots of dependencies on system libs i would be careful
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14:24<jhutchins_wk>!alsa checklist
14:24<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
14:25<jhutchins_wk>nodiscc: You should probably check the pulseaudio interface too, make sure the correct card is selected.
14:25<jhutchins_wk>nodiscc: What's the pciid of the sound card from lspci -nn
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14:26<nodiscc>the card doesn't show up in 'aplay -l', doesn't show in pavucontrol
14:26<nodiscc>,pciid 1102:0008
14:26<judd>[1102:0008] is 'CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series]' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in stretch. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module.
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14:47<sqrt{not}>nodiscc: I *think* when you are getting "firmware load for emu/emu0404.fw failed with error -2" this -2 is ENOENT, meaning the file isn't found. maybe you need to make a symlink from the other location, to help the module find the blob ?
14:48<nodiscc> suggests putting the fw file at /usr/local/lib/firmware/emu ->Direct firmware load for emu/emu0404.fw failed with error -2
14:48<nodiscc>when I put the fw file at /lib/firmware/emu/ ->
14:50<sqrt{not}>so it looks like the same error 0x14 with either version of the firmware (or maybe they are the same version ?) ?
14:56<nodiscc>by default, no custom fw installed -> failed with error -2
14:57<nodiscc>firmware built from /, at at /lib/firmware/emu/ -> failed with error -2
14:57<nodiscc>fw file at /lib/firmware/emu/ -> Loading Hana Firmware file failed, reg = 0x14
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15:09<nodiscc>card doesn't show in aplay -l, alsamixer, pulseaudio. In lspci I see the card with "Kernel modules: snd_emu10k1"
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15:12<jhutchins_wk1>nodiscc: Sorry, I'm having connectivity problems. Did you post the pci id?
15:13<nodiscc>,pciid 1102:0008
15:13<judd>[1102:0008] is 'CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series]' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in stretch. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module.
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15:13<sqrt{not}>I took a quick look at and the -2 is -ENOENT not finding the file, but when it returns the "emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file failed, reg = 0x%x\n" message, it has successfully loaded the firmware, but it wants that status code to be 0x15, so it is unhappy
15:14<sney>looks like the snd_emu10k1 module has a
15:14<jhutchins_wk>nodiscc: Do you have an earlier kernel you can boot to?
15:14<sney>'subsystem' parameter so maybe experimenting with different things in that field can convince it that the firmware file is the right one
15:15<nodiscc>linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64, linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
15:15<jhutchins_wk>Was that a recent update?
15:16<nodiscc>I can't see any *linux-image* in /var/log/apt/history.log, and it goes back to 2019-09-02 19:00:27
15:17<nodiscc>so I don't think so
15:17<nodiscc>but there was a firmware update on 2019-09-16
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15:23<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'm trying to provide support to a very poor and with very limited resources, but he's installed debian and he just has a 3G Modem. I never used it before, so I don't have any idea about it. It's plugged through usb connection. Please, does Debian recognizes it automatically ?
15:23<rob_debian>I told him to use debian firmware non-free .iso
15:24<nodiscc>rob_debian: lsusb
15:24<sney> seems like a start
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15:25<rob_debian>Hi nodisc and sney, thank you very much for attention and great support !
15:25<sney>but PPP stuff usually needs some configuration, even if the hardware works out of the box
15:25<somiaj>rob_debian: it really depends on the actual device, plug it in, get the usbid, and then look up support for the actual device you have
15:25<rob_debian>ok sney, I'll check if it is necessary. Thank you :)
15:26<rob_debian>Hi somiaj, thank you for attention and great support ! The command you mention is 'usbid' ?
15:27<rob_debian>Exactly like that: 'usbid' ?
15:28<rob_debian>Fine sney, nodisc and somiaj, thank you very much for great support !
15:28<somiaj>rob_debian: no, 'lsusb' gives you info about the device, one thing it gives you is the usbid which can help determine support.
15:29<rob_debian>Fine, somiaj, I'll use these commands, first of all, learn about them a bit more and provide support to the guy. Thank you very much !
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15:31<somiaj>that wiki page seemed fairly good, hopefully you have one of the devices listed there and it can work once you get it configured.
15:37<jhutchins_wk>nodiscc: I wonder if you could remove the firmware update and install the old pakage from snapshot?
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15:43<rob_debian>I see, somiaj, really thank you for information :)
15:44<rob_debian>It's done, succesfully configured. Thank you very much for Great Support, nodisc, sney, somiaj.
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18:52<seirl>hi! i submitted a bug report with 'reportbug' but i can't find it in the bug tracker or in!forum/linux.debian.bugs.dist
18:52<seirl>is there a delay, or did i trigger the antispam somehow?
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18:54<annadane>you didn't mention when you sent it but there's a tiny delay yes
18:54<annadane>i'd just wait
18:54<istrive>my debian buster in virtual machine just stopped updating from sudo apt update, and the usb wireless assigned to it no longer works, what can I do to review the issue ?
18:54<seirl>like 10 mins ago
18:54<annadane>yeah, wait
18:55<somiaj>seirl: you should get an email reply letting you know it was submitted.
18:55<annadane>takes at least like half an hour IIRC
18:55<annadane>also, what somiaj said
18:55<annadane>istrive, which VM
18:55<annadane>like which virtualization solution
18:55<seirl>ah, it just arrived, i was just too impatient :-)
18:55<somiaj>istrive: you can check lsusb to see if the guest can see the device.
18:55<istrive>after upgrading to v6.12 it is messed up
18:56<somiaj>istrive: if the guest can't see the device, go double check the host and the pass through options in virtualbox.
18:56<istrive>it does see but wont activate it
18:56<istrive>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13b1:003f Linksys WUSB6300 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8812AU]
18:57<istrive>it was and all of the sudden stopped after reboot
18:58<somiaj>istrive: can you see the device in 'ip a'
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19:00<istrive>not showing at all
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19:00<istrive>ip a only shows lo
19:01<somiaj>istrive: check demsg, and see if there is a firmware issue, also check lsmod (see if the correct module is loaded), if it isn't loaded, you can try to manually load the module for the card, and then check dmesg for errors
19:02<istrive>how to filter that in dmesg
19:03<somiaj>do you know the module name used for this?
19:03<somiaj>grepping for the module name works, or just grep for realtek (or just kinda skim through it, I end up doing this a lot)
19:05<istrive>how to list all modules installed
19:06<somiaj>that is overkill, lsmod lists loaded ones
19:06<somiaj>one second
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19:08<somiaj>istrive: I'm not finding an inline kernel module for that, did you have to install some third party module to get that card to work. This is what I found
19:08<somiaj>istrive: so do you recall what you did to get your wifi to work in the first place (before it stopped)
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19:11<istrive>I don't! It was a ton o google searches to make it work!
19:12<istrive>I guess I'll just bridge my laptop wifi and use it that way, but still somehow the apt update is not working anymore, time out on all sources from sources.list
19:13<somiaj>Okay, this is what I think happened.
19:14<somiaj>You finally found some way to complie the module (such as the github page I linked) for that card since it isn't in the mainline linux kernel, which worked fine until the linux kernel had an upgrade.
19:14<somiaj>Now you need to redo whatever it is you did (rebuild the module) for the new kernel.
19:14<istrive>but without apt update I cant get anything done with this system
19:14<istrive>what should I do/
19:15<somiaj>It really depends on how you built that module in the first place, if you have all the source, you culd probably rebuild it
19:15<somiaj>what host are you running this on?
19:16<istrive>let's put the module on hold... If I do apt update, the system times out on every line
19:16<somiaj>well that is because yo uhave no network
19:17<somiaj>we need to get your network. I personally share my network with my host on vms as opposed to using a usb passthrough. What os is the host and does it have the network running?
19:17<istrive>no, I brodged the network from my laptop, so I can browse the web but not run apt updtate
19:17<somiaj>hmm, that is strange, so your network is working just fine in the guest other places?
19:18<istrive>I can browse the web with chrome, firefox, ping even the ip address from the same servers that the apt is timing out!
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19:20<somiaj>what is in your sources.list
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19:22<istrive>4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 803 Sep 20 17:05 /etc/apt/sources.list
19:23<somiaj>the only thing I see is is the old round robbin mirrors, which aren't the best to use
19:23<somiaj> is what I suggest these days, but I don't know if changing that will help
19:23<dpkg> is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from to the same CDNs. See for more details.
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19:24<somiaj>!buster sources.list
19:24<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb buster main" "deb buster/updates main", and optionally "deb buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
19:24<istrive>can you pastebin it?
19:27<somiaj>the bot just said all you need, but my suggestion was use '' as the mirror everywhere in sources.list (instead of and
19:27<somiaj>but your mirror looks fine, I'm unsure why you are having issues, unless if for some reason the round robbing mirror you are getting with just happens to be down
19:28<somiaj>which is why I suggested using another mirror just to double check
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19:48<istrive>still no go
19:48<istrive>I'll pastebin the results
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19:50<istrive>this is my sources
19:58<istrive>will this command work in debian buster?
19:58<istrive>net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf
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19:58<istrive>to completely disable the ipv6 systemwide?
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21:26<istrive>apt-get update fails with time out, but ping works fine!!! WTH?
21:27<istrive>virtualbox v6.0.12, network in bridge mode, all browsers are working navigating the web, but I CANNOT apt-update the system
21:28<istrive>this is insane!
21:28<somiaj>Maybe check your network configuration to see why ipv6 is being used, but it sounds like the issue is ipv6 is setup but not working, and apt-get is trying to do that
21:28<somiaj>does "apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update" work?
21:29<istrive>ipv6 was already disalbel on sysctl
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21:29<istrive>let me try that one
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21:31<istrive>no, still failing with time out
21:31<istrive>I'll pastebin the results in a sec
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21:33<istrive>but if I ping the servers it works
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21:35<istrive>here is the proof
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22:07<sakax>hi all, running buster, /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* shows me the following:
22:07<sakax>how badly am I exposed to Meltdown, Spectre and Zombieload attacks on my machine which has fully updated bios and debian stable?
22:08<annadane>not much of an answer and i don't know for zombieload, but there's a package in debian called spectre-meltdown-checker
22:09<sakax>annadane: do you know how I can enable all this kernel mitigations in my Debian kernel? I remember it were some boot kernel parameters?
22:09<annadane>i don't know, sorry
22:10<sakax>ok, no worries
22:14<sakax>nopti nospectre_v2 spectre_v2_user=off spec_store_bypass_disable=off l1tf=off
22:14<sakax>it should be these, but it is strange I cannot find anything on our wiki
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22:34<annadane>i know the debian wiki gets its share of criticism but it's pretty good for what it is
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22:49<hthoreau>Hello there.
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22:50<hthoreau>I'm having a problem with my Debian, ever since I turned it on, it doesn't conect to the internet.
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22:51<hthoreau>I though it was a problem with it's Wi-fi capability, but even when I connected it with cable connection it persisted.
22:52<rob_debian>Hi all, please, what's going on with this sources.list ?
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22:52<rob_debian>This guy has a clear sources.list, without any issue....
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22:52<pavement>just update to debian 10.....when i install firmware-amd-graphics sytem fails to boot.....any ideas?
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22:56<rob_debian>E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.1.0 Buster - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20190908-01:09] buster Release' does not have a Release file.
22:56<rob_debian>N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
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22:56<rob_debian>But, this repository is not configured on his 'sources.list' He uses debian buster 10.1. Please, how to fix this issue ?
22:57<rob_debian>I tried through some ways, but without good result
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23:05<sney>rob_debian: man apt-cdrom
23:05<rob_debian>English Alan
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23:09<rob_debian>oh sney.....
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23:11<rob_debian>The question is: this resource is not being used. And there aren't any line about cd-rom being used that I should to comment....
23:12<rob_debian>I've finished reading man apt-cdrom, it's not too large. But, on the other hand, it doesn's refer to the issue he has....
23:15<rob_debian>And 'apt.conf' doesn't seem to be the problem....
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23:26<themill>it will have to be in either sources.list or sources.list.d/*.list
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