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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-09-21

---Logopened Sat Sep 21 00:00:23 2019
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00:27<rob_debian>That's what I imagined: sources.list.d/....
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00:29<rob_debian>Well, sources.list.d/ is empty...
00:29<rob_debian>sources.list.d/* is empty too....
00:33<rob_debian>should I have to add the same lines that are into 'sources.list' in the 'sources.list.d' also ?
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01:06<somiaj>configuration directories, like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ allows you to split your configuration into multiple files instead of a singel /etc/apt/sources.list file
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01:07<somiaj>Both are used, standard practice is to read the main config file, then to also read all the config files in the .d directory (some require .conf extension to be read)
01:07<somiaj>in this case, no you don't need to put anything in sources.list.d, but sometimes thrid party packages put stuff in there that adds to your sources.list
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01:35<karelk>can somebody please explain what is the purpose of the startup script "/etc/init.d/sudo" ?
01:35<karelk>the script itself says:
01:35<karelk>"make sure privileges don't persist across reboots"
01:35<karelk>but how could privileges persist across reboots, when sudo only applies to current session
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02:55<Reddragon>I have a DC7700 HP compaq and I overflashed can someone send me an image can be FLASHROM-ed
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03:26<demo>how to install avro keyboard in Mx Linux
03:26<demo>anyone help please
03:27<demo>hello
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07:29<Guest3033>I'll have to figure this out later..Thx if anybody is getting this?
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10:42<timmy>I'm doing a "crossgrade" from i386 to amd64, as suggested in https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading
10:42<timmy>The kernel works, dpkg, apt and tar also worked.
10:43<timmy>But then, I was not easily able to cross-upgrade all the other packages.
10:43<timmy>"apt -f install" provided me a solution, and it looked fine, so I confirmed with "Yes, do as I say!"
10:43<timmy>However, there happened some error, and now "dpkg" is no longer installed.
10:44<timmy>How can I manually install the "dpkg" .deb-Package? Simply using "ar"?
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10:54<timmy>I found out, thanks!
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11:08<lastshot>iyim kanka dc deyız senle konuşuyoruz
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11:29<nardo>So I've tried compiling the alcor mmc kernel module from the kernel-source packages and it says Module.symvers is missing symbols :\
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11:39<nardo>Does this mean I have to compile a new kernel from scratch?
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11:46<somiaj>nardo: what is the config option for this module you want?
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11:55<nardo>somiaj, it's CONFIG_MMC_ALCOR=m and CONFIG_MMC_ALCOR_PCI=m
11:56<somiaj>hmm, do you know what kernel those options were added (I am on stretch so I can't check)
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11:57<nardo>I'm on testing, 5.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.9-2 (2019-08-21)
11:57<somiaj>and you are positive this isn't included in the debian kernel
11:57<somiaj>well testing questions should be in #debian-next
11:57<nardo>it's in the source package, but modules.symvers doesn't show it
11:57<somiaj>but do this, 'grep CONFIG_MMC_ALCOR /boot/config/5.2.0-2-amd64'
11:58<nardo>not in there
11:58<nardo>but CONFIG_MISC_ALCOR_PCI shows #not set
11:59<somiaj>yea, you might have to take the config file in /boot and then use it as a base to compile your own kernel then
11:59<somiaj>I just wanted to double check if debian included it or not
12:00<nardo>It's definitely not in buster
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12:44<inkbottle>I can see (gdisk) LUKS partition from DI "LVM on LUKS full disk for the dummies" has code 8300 when 8309 should be more appropriate, though it doesn't seem to cause any trouble (https://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/walkthrough.html, "8309 Linux LUKS")
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14:56<linearain>well i installed debian 10 on pentium 4 i686 and ssd
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14:59<linearain>does anyone know, if my kernel and cpu are i686 and programs that im using are for i386, would i get any gains from compiling those programs for i686?
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15:23<rickie>does anybody know how i can get apt update to get the pub key for debian?
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15:27<rickie>hi kritzefitz
15:28<rickie>and hello malamkelam
15:28<rickie>could either of you have some insight on my public key issue with debian
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15:29<kritzefitz>rickie, usually the public archive keys should already be installed. Did you do something to remove it?
15:30<rickie>i don't think so. I am new to the OS but I'm pretty sure i didn't do anything with keys. when i update i get E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security jessie/updates InRelease' is not signed.
15:32<kritzefitz>rickie, I'm not entirely sure, but this looks like you have they key, but apt thinks the file isn't signed for some reason.
15:33<rickie>can i sign it?
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15:34<sqrt{not}>rickie: why are you using jessie repositories ? did you install jessie somehow ?
15:34<kritzefitz>Not really. It already should be signed and when I download the relevant file I can see that it is signed. So something strange is going on there, but I can't say what is is right now.
15:35<rickie>so can i download it too
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15:36<sqrt{not}>rickie: if you are new to debian, you probably should not be running Jessie, it is several years old, and two versions out of date
15:36<kritzefitz>rickie, I think sqrt{not}'s question might be more helpful here. Do you actually use Jessie? If so, why? Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you probably want to use a more recent version.
15:37<rickie>well, I don't really know what jessie is. i just switched my os 2 days ago and this is what was installed on my pc. Should I switch to something else? I'm have been pretty good so far figuring things out if Jessie is that bad but this issue I'm struggling with. How do I change to something more up to date?
15:38<blast007>Jessie is two major versions behind the current stable version of Debian.
15:39<rickie>oh ok that i understand. what is best to use?
15:39<sqrt{not}>ummm, how did you "switch" your OS ? did you install it from a CD or was it pre-installed.
15:40<rickie>I downloaded the iso for 19.0
15:40<kritzefitz>Is that a typo? There isn't a version 19.0 of Debian yet. Can you say where you downloaded that ISO?
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15:41<sqrt{not}>rickie: we can point you to a new .iso to download. what kind of computer is it for ? 64-bit PC?
15:42<rickie>yes 64-bit laptop. So I would have to reinstall the os to get rid of Jessie?
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15:42<sqrt{not}>rickie: best to install from scratch, unless you have lots of customization already on your jessie install.
15:43<rickie>no. I don't. Point on if you please :)
15:43<kritzefitz>rickie: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
15:44<rickie>thanks a bunch. I'll let you know how I make out. wish me well
15:44<sqrt{not}>or, if you need firmware for your peripherals, you might want: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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15:45<rickie>i don't have any but it's good to be prepared lol
15:45<rickie>thanks...you folks are great...really :)
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15:47<sqrt{not}>rickie: here is an installation guide for buster : https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/
15:48<rickie>is this for installing apps or installing the os?
15:48<sqrt{not}>that's the OS intall guide, for the cd you are downloading
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18:52<jimpop>c, c++, python, bash, and posix shell
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19:09<bremner>hrm. not so long ago most recently, I guess
19:10<sqrt{not}>!start a language war
19:10<dpkg>csh is better than Lua
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19:44<Vaper>hi
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19:57<cc>!ask
19:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:53<aloo_shu>!smart questions
22:53<dpkg>Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>.
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22:58<aloo_shu>what did I expect...
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