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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-09-22

---Logopened Sun Sep 22 00:00:24 2019
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02:08<Yolo>yo, wt is this?
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04:18<monochrome>hy
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05:27<fl1t1ng0>hello
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05:31<codingquark>Hello! Is there some package that I can use to browse and make some sense out of nginx logs easily?
05:31<codingquark>Doesn't need to be a GUI tool.
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05:35<crixu>hi all
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06:46<blast007>codingquark: I've used 'goaccess' for displaying a summary of Apache logs in the past. According to their website, it also works with nginx.
06:47<codingquark>blast007: thanks, checking out.
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06:54<Gal1leo>Love you
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06:56<codingquark>blast007: goaccess should be perfect for what I want. Thanks again :)
06:57<blast007>great, you're welcome :)
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10:01<qwewq>anyone here
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10:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:03<qwewq>i have question about time and datea
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10:44<CrazyAlexNT>hello all!
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10:51<zunaid>hey any one there
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10:56<savvy>hi
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11:36<user_>this is sudo
11:36<user_>anyone here need some help
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12:12<util28_>Hello i tried to execute vmware unlocker script but i have this error message in root terminal
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12:13<util28_>GOS Patching: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libvmwarebase.so/libvmwarebase.so
12:13<util28_>GOS Patched: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libvmwarebase.so/libvmwarebase.so
12:13<util28_>Getting VMware Tools...
12:13<util28_>Retrieving Darwin tools from: http://softwareupdate.vmware.com/cds/vmw-desktop/fusion/11.5.0/14634996/packages/com.vmware.fusion.tools.darwin.zip.tar
12:13<util28_>Traceback (most recent call last):
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12:15<util28_>File "/usr/lib/python2.7/tarfile.py", line 1680, in open
12:15<util28_> raise ReadError("file could not be opened successfully")
12:15<util28_>tarfile.ReadError: file could not be opened successfully
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12:41<kerneld>Its been ages since I've been on this channel.
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12:44<kerneld>I had to hold my nose and use an unsigned kernel to run broadcom driver for wireless. I guess thats par for the course with Mac hardware
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12:44<hdei28>Hi, I have a problem with vmaware unlocker master
12:45<hdei28>can you help me please?
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12:45<towo`>hdei28, we should help you, to violate apple eula?
12:45<towo`>hdei28, you kidding, do you?
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12:46<hdei28>the unlocker script doesn't work
12:46<hdei28>i have a error code
12:46<towo`>running macos in vmware is illegal on non apple hardware
12:47<towo`>and then it has nothing to do with debian
12:47<hdei28>yes killing palestian too
12:48<towo`>play elsewhere
12:48<hdei28>little player
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12:49<kerneld>wow
12:49<kerneld>whats the normal pattern of chat on here? Seems very quiet
12:51<towo`>it's a support channel
12:51<towo`>if no one has a problem, it's qhiet
12:51<towo`>*quiet
12:52<TobiX>kerneld: Since this is a support channel (with 591 members), general talk should be done in #debian-offtopic
12:52<kerneld>OK
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12:54<kerneld>Is there a signed broadcom-sta-dkms module available somewhere that gets updated with the main kernel images?
12:54<kerneld>or am I stuck with untrusted land
13:00<TobiX>dkms & trusted is mutually exclusive, since you don't have the Debian kernel maintainer's private key
13:00<TobiX>Or are you signing your own kernel images?
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13:05<kerneld>So there are no trusted builds of that module? Doesn't look that way, just seeing if I was missing something
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13:16<TobiX>kerneld: Well, they are non-free, so no, your best bet is broadcom-sta-dkms to compile a new module everytime the kernel is updated. But they will never be signed (as long as you don't sign the kernel yourself)
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13:19<kerneld>THanks
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13:32<kerneld>How do I allow a root shell access to my user X session?
13:33<kerneld>I did xhost +localhost and set DISPLAY to :0 in root shell
13:33<kerneld>Tested with xterm: xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: %s
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13:42<TobiX>kerneld: xhost +localhost will only work if TCP is active in your X server (IIRC, never used xhost in a million years ;) )
13:43<TobiX>dpkg: root x
13:43<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>)
13:46<TobiX>kerneld: You should use "sudo -s", which does the right thing (forward $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY to the root shell)
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13:50<kerneld>Cool
13:51<kerneld>I ran with -E which I though did whole env
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14:06<sangarshana>irc.corp.google.com +6697
14:07<GyrosGeier>meh
14:07<GyrosGeier>the dbus init script in bullseye hangs
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14:08<GyrosGeier>kerneld, the other way is to use 'export XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority'
14:08<GyrosGeier>replacing "user" with your user name
14:08<GyrosGeier>copying the whole env doesn't help when XAUTHORITY is not set
14:09<GyrosGeier>(~/.Xauthority is default, so no reason to set it as an environment variable)
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14:18<TobiX>GyrosGeier: It's /tmp/user/1001/xauth-1001-_0 in my current session...
14:19<TobiX>(but it seems the content of both files is identical)
14:19<kerneld>Cool I was looking for where they were
14:21<TobiX>kerneld: XAUTHORITY is kept even with env_reset
14:21<kerneld>My XAUTHORITY is not defined in env
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14:24<kerneld>wayland-0 ?
14:25<kerneld>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=880601
14:25<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/880601 in gdm3 (forwarded): «gdm fails to give wayland an Xauthority file, preventing running applications as root»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-11-02; last modified: 2019-04-04.
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14:30<kerneld>Wow. Doesn't look like this will be fixed. So.. I enabled rood login to gdm and opened up pam to permit root for gdm. That is much uglier work around than allowing Xauthority
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14:33<TobiX>Running X11 application as root is the first ugly thing which requires more ugly things...
14:34<kerneld>Well I didn't write the dumb app that needs it :P
14:37<TobiX>But I agree it would be nice if wayland could at least be "bug-compatible", as https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/issues/342 suggest that running wayland applications as root seem to work...
14:42<kerneld>Well upside is not my root acct has a fully fleshed out gnome desktop profile
14:42<kerneld>hahaha
14:42<kerneld>now
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14:55<jagadeesh>hi all
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15:17<alx>In case it is of interest to you: "Against sfconservancy, we call for Stallman to step UP from his positions in the free software movement" https://fsforce.noblogs.org
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15:19<bremner>sounds more like #debian-offtopic, than here
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15:19<GyrosGeier>also, "nah"
15:19<alx>Then my apologies.
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15:31<sqrt{not}>"nak" even
15:33<kerneld>RMS chose to step down. Thats the end of that discussion
15:33<bremner>and yet, here you are, keeping the discussion going
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17:37<jondoe>Hi
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17:38<jondoe>is anybody here?
17:38<cc>!ask
17:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:56<jhutchins> gdm. That is much uglier work around than allowing Xauthority
17:56<jhutchins>TobiXkerneld> Wow. Doesn't look like this will be fixed. So.. I enabled rood login to gdm and opened up pam to permit root for
17:56<jhutchins> gdm. That is much uglier work around than allowing Xauthority
17:56<jhutchins>13:33 < TobiX> Running X11 application as root is the first ugly thing which requires more ugly things...
17:56<jhutchins>13:34 < kerneld13:42 < kerneld> hahaha
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18:59<Xinayder>yesterday I tried updating my laptop from stretch to buster. executed `apt-get upgrade && apt-get upgrade`, then changed the repositories on /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to buster, and executed the commands again
19:00<Xinayder>it doesn't start, there's an error related to not being able to mount swap on startup, as well as some an error with ngroup I think
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19:11<bremner>full error messages would be a good start. Also, can you boot into a recovery mode from grub?
19:18<bremner>Xinayder: ^
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19:38<Xinayder>yes I can, what command do I need to grab the log?
19:38<Xinayder>bremner,
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19:38<bremner>dmesg?
19:41<Xinayder>k
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19:43<bremner>you may not see the same errors in recovery mode.
19:44<bremner>I guess a screenshot is the simplest way for boot messages when the boot hangs
19:48<Xinayder>that's the problem, there's no error when I'm booting in normal mode
19:48<Xinayder>it just stays at a screen with a blinking cursor (_)
19:49<bremner>so when did the errors you mentioned occur?
19:50<Xinayder>when kernel messages started appearing on screen, right before moving to the blinking cursor screen
19:50<Xinayder>hang on, I'm grabbing the logs
20:14<Xinayder>right, I got: cgroup: cgroup2: unknown option "nsdelegate"
20:14<Xinayder>and timed out waiting for device /dev/mapper/midgard--vg-swap_1
20:14<Xinayder>(yes my hostname is midgard)
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20:21<laptop>I tried updating to debian buster but there are still a lot of bugs
20:22<laptop>why is debian stretch repo so old
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20:27<bremner>uh, because it's the old stable release and not current anymore?
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20:39<sqrt{not}>Xinayder: it might help to look at the logs from your partial upgrade to buster, /var/log/apt/history etc.
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21:19<nezZario>errrg
21:19<nezZario>what do I use to read a "GNOME keyring"?!
21:20<nezZario>I don't know what happened ...... On my desktop system I had user "A", ... For reasons that are very un-technical and bizarre, I'd been wanting to change the username anyway
21:23<nezZario>So, out of nowhere I kept getting the prompt for the "default keyring password". Some gnome thing. My unix password did not work there, although I change it frequently (security from kids.. heh) .. And which led to me loosing all of my chrome sync which has been extremely painful ... Anyway, I did not change the username but created a new one and am moving stuff over. I just learned about all the gnome-keyring stuff, but seahorse
21:23<nezZario>does not open my ~/.local/share/keyring/ files
21:24<nezZario>I'd really like to look in there and see if I can figure out the password for my old one and get my chrome sync pass and be able to get my bookmarks and crap back as I am guessing the passphrase is in there, somewhere
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21:26<nezZario>But again, ... I keep reading this is something to do with seahorse .. "file" recognizes it as a .. "GNOME keyring, major version 0, minor version 0, crypto type 0 (AES), hash type 0 (MD5), name "Login", last modified Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970, created Tue May 8 15:28:52 2018, not locked if idle, hash iterations 3014, salt xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 901 item(s)"
21:26<nezZario>Just weird there it apparently has the mod date blanked out for some reason [salt blanked by myself]
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21:29<nezZario>I'm so confused. Again just read "Seahorse is the management app for GNOME Keyring." but it will not open these files ..
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21:35<Xinayder>so I just tried running `dpkg --configure -a` and there's a few packages that didn't get configured properly
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21:52<sqrt{not}>Xinayder: as I recall, you didn't yet do either "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt full-upgrade" those might also help
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22:15<Xinayder>hm, didn't know about apt full-upgrade
22:17<Xinayder>so many broken packages, had to run a `apt --fix-broken install`
22:24<sqrt{not}>the buster release notes has some advice for upgrading from stretch: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
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23:03<rob_debian>Please, a friend of mine has mixed unstable, testing and experimental repositories. Surely it's a mess and I'll alert him about this non official debian procedure for mounting a stable and coherent debian repository. But, what is exactly this one: deb https:// dl.winehq.org/wine.builds/debian/ bullseye main ?
23:03<rob_debian>It looks a serious error: deb https:// dl.winehq.org/wine.builds/debian/ bullseye main
23:05<rob_debian>I am just asking this to be able to answer him more technically, for acting like that he will create a frank debian
23:08<annadane>rob_debian, so you *can* mix unstable and testing and experimental, depending on the packages. it's stable that you shouldn't mix in with those. secondly, winehq is https://www.winehq.org/, a windows compatibility layer, often used for playing games, and is quite safe to use with debian
23:08<annadane>if your friend is having upgrade problems, maybe *then* look for technical help, or direct them to the #debian-next channel
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23:09<blast007>is there actually a space after the https:// ?
23:09<annadane>and yeah, don't put a space
23:10<annadane>Experimental is not like the others, those packages are, well, more experimental, use at your own risk
23:10<annadane>but they can be used depending on certain needs
23:11<annadane>testing and unstable can usually be safely mixed because testing is not far removed from unstable... but anyone doing that should read the apt output when doing upgrades carefully, which you should be while using either testing or unstable regardless
23:11<rob_debian>Hi annadane, thanks for answering. but in this case are experimental and unstable different repositories ? I thought it wasn't possible.
23:11<annadane>they're different branches
23:12<annadane>they're both from debian but are separate things; package maintainers can put packages into experimental that they want more testing for before inclusion into unstable
23:12<rob_debian>I see, annadane. Let me read and think about your explanation. Thank you very much for attention and great support !
23:12<annadane>see https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html
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23:15<annadane>dpkg, lifecycle is <reply> The life cycle of a Debian release is described at https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html
23:15<dpkg>okay, annadane
23:18<rob_debian>Please, annadane, does make sense using one repositóry specific for wine like his example ?
23:19<rob_debian>deb https:// dl.winehq.org/wine.builds/debian/ bullseye main
23:20<annadane>as i said, WINE is OK. in general one shouldn't just add several repositories (security, safety, conflicting dependencies) but WINE specifically is pretty safe
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23:23<rob_debian>Fine annadane, I did it some time ago with some specific softwares, including vbox. just forgot about it. Thank you very much for explanation. I'll read it more carefully through debian handbook :)
23:23<annadane>i wonder when anyone is going to update that handbook, if it's "debian 8" for much longer... it's going to lose effectiveness
23:25<annadane>herzog is still pretty active, so i mean
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23:52<rob_debian>annadane, I understood all your explanation and would like to thank you for such help and support :) Now, it's clear for me that in certain circumstances it does make sense using these repositories in a 'testing' debian distribution.
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