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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-09-24

---Logopened Tue Sep 24 00:00:27 2019
00:05-!-dboehmer___ [~quassel@p57A751DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:05-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel Böhmer,,," on #debian
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00:13-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next
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00:15-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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00:23-!-misterjack is "Richard Hering" on #debian
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00:23-!-casperov is "user" on #debian #security
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00:24-!-SuNcO is "SuNcO" on #debian #tresvalles
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00:26-!-balrog is "balrog" on #qemu #oftc #msys2 #kernelnewbies #https-everywhere #debian-next #debian #bcache
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00:28-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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00:32-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:35-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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00:48-!-paddy is "Patrick F." on #debian
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00:49-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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01:00-!-orly is "orly" on #virt #oftc #debian #ceph
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01:01-!-schizo is "me without a mic is like a beat without a snare" on #oftc #moocows #debian
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01:10-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
01:12-!-Guest3185 is now known as zordhak
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01:13-!-levifig_ is "Levi Figueira" on #virt #qemu #linode #debian-next #debian
01:15-!-free_speech [~free_spee@2001:16b8:1856:ce00:cc44:1de1:6aa7:5ca2] has joined #debian
01:15-!-free_speech is "free_speech" on #debian #debian-next
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01:22-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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01:28-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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01:29-!-zordhak is "Alban" on @#zorval @#zordhak #mini-DebConf-fr #meetbot #debian-remote #debian #debian-l10n-fr
01:29-!-zordhak is now known as Guest3241
01:30-!-Guest3241 is now known as zordhak
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01:43-!-qwer is "alfa omega" on #debian
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01:45-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #security #debian.or.at #debian-next #debian
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01:47-!-ozzloy is "ozzloy palindromemordnilap" on #debian
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01:48-!-ozzloy is "ozzloy palindromemordnilap" on #debian
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02:03-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
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02:12-!-sidmo__ is "sidmo" on #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde #debian
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02:15-!-Gromit is "Jan-Hendrik Palic" on #debian
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02:15-!-Statj is "SJ" on #debian
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02:15-!-tdy is "tdy" on #openconnect #pentadactyl #bitlbee #debian
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02:24-!-David-Park is "realname" on #debian
02:24<David-Park>HOla
02:24<David-Park>hay alguien hai
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02:32-!-dust is "dust" on #debian-games #debian #debian-next #debian-science #linux-rt
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02:37-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian-next #debian
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02:38-!-cnote_ is "Donald Norwood" on #debian-fediverse #debian #oftc #debian-hamchat #debian-mulheres
02:39-!-ao2 [~ao2@host7-208-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
02:39-!-ao2 is "ao2" on #vcs-home #debian #cell
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02:45-!-handsome_feng is "Li Jianfeng" on #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh #debian
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02:47-!-levifig_ is "Levi Figueira" on #virt #qemu #linode #debian-next #debian
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02:47-!-sadrak|work is "purple" on #debian
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02:55-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:57-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next
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03:00-!-BCMM is "BCMM" on #oftc #linux #debian-kde #debian #debian-next
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03:09-!-Kabouik_ is "Konsieur" on #debian
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03:15-!-skitt is "Stephen Kitt" on #debian
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03:29-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on @#debian-ve #debian-es #debian
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03:34-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian-ve #debian-es #debian
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03:37-!-imega_ is "coma" on #debian #ceph
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03:39-!-texou is "Stoicien" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
03:41-!-paddy_ [~paddy@p200300DEF72ECD13ECD1B1B63322EF30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
03:41-!-paddy_ is "Patrick F." on #debian
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03:51-!-bluewater is "Trevor Walkey" on #aptosid-dev #aptosid-docs #aptosid #debian-next #debian
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03:52-!-Funkin-Stoopid is "Funkin-Stoopid" on #debian
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03:53-!-pirocks is "francis nixon" on #debian #open-source-java
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03:54-!-drzacek is "realname" on @#debian-mentor #packaging #linux-rt #debian-next #debian
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04:01-!-peto is "realname" on #debian
04:02<peto>hi
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04:08-!-devops is "devops" on #debian #qemu #ceph #open-source-java
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04:09-!-Delta-One is "P.F." on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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04:11<petn-randall>hi peto
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04:15-!-bolt is "-" on #virt #debian-next #debian #sd #oftc #qemu #suckless
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04:30-!-handsome_feng is "Li Jianfeng" on #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh #debian
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04:32-!-pavlushka is "Pavel Sayekat" on #oftc #debian
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04:33-!-imega_ is "coma" on #debian #ceph
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04:44-!-Volkor is "Volkor <volkor@thecum.zone>" on @#linuxmasterrace #redditprivacy #debian-next #debian #osm-au
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04:45-!-handsome_feng is "Li Jianfeng" on #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh #debian
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04:46-!-handsome_feng is "Li Jianfeng" on #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh #debian
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04:49-!-user is "Your Name" on #debian
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04:49-!-user is now known as Guest3256
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04:51-!-Gromit is "Jan-Hendrik Palic" on #debian
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04:52-!-Kabouik_ is "Konsieur" on #debian
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04:59-!-thelastjedi is "thelastjedi,,," on #debian
04:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 609] by debhelper
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05:03-!-spoonovitch is "spoon" on @#gentoo-hardened @#gentoo-server #gentoo #debian #debianfr #debian-live
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05:05<wannabe-mirror>menubar has disappeared in cheese. ctrl-m does not make it appear.
05:09-!-Etua is "Dominik Danelski" on #openttd #osm-pl
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05:11-!-s20brandtjan is "realname" on #debian
05:11<s20brandtjan>adad
05:11<s20brandtjan>adad
05:11<s20brandtjan>ad
05:11<s20brandtjan>ad
05:11<s20brandtjan>ad
05:11-!-s20brandtjan was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood]
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05:18-!-Edhil is "One of the last" on #debian
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05:26-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next
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05:28-!-somazero is "realname" on #debian
05:31-!-zamuro [~Samantha@85.137.122.114.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
05:31-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on @#debian-ve #debian-es #debian
05:33-!-catsup [d@ps38852.dreamhostps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:34<Funkin-Stoopid>what debian waiting for to update chromium ?!!
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05:34-!-catsup is "d" on @#prophet #qemu #debian
05:34<Funkin-Stoopid>this is awesome
05:37<free_speech>keep in mind that debian is *NOT* a rolling release ...
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05:54<Funkin-Stoopid>free_speech: Debian is a stable and secure version , is that right ?
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07:24<lars>Hi, question about the package dehydrated in debian 9, is that supported under the LTS and will it recive an update due to the bug that it expect http headers as case sensitive. https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/trying-to-understand-urnerror-badnonce/102652/14
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07:35<GyrosGeier>if the bug prio is high enough, that should warrant an update during a point release
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07:36<lars>ok, right now it's not possible to issue or renew certificates use the current version.
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08:11<wannabe-mirror>someone told me to use kvm instead of virtualbox, but it appears kvm is not very impressive at all. it crashed twice in one hour just earlier today.
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08:12<bremner>that's a bit surprising. I've never experienced a kvm crash, while I've seen quite a few virtualbox crashes.
08:12<bremner>I guess we have different setups, or do different things.
08:12<wannabe-mirror>i have the opposite experiences. virtualbox crashes have been very rare indeed
08:13<bremner>What guest OS are you running?
08:13<wannabe-mirror>this time i tried to install buster
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08:14<wannabe-mirror>(the crash occured during installation, at the "install base system" stage
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08:16<bremner>anything interesting in the host logs?
08:17<towo^work>there is no "install base system" stage in qemu/kvm
08:17<bremner>well, presumably installing into a running vm
08:17<towo^work>so you should blame your virt framework instead of kvm
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09:24<paddy_>i am planning to ask one or more questions on the debian mailing lists and wonder if there are guidelines regarding the way how messages have to be formed. for example line breaks - after 79 characters or one block in one line?
09:24<paddy_>so far i only see the mention of a code of conduct
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09:26<bremner>paddy_: people reading mail in text base mailreaders will appreciate hard line breaks. I don't think it's an absolute requirement though
09:28<paddy_>the other question would be about replies. thunderbird draws a line on the beginnung of the line to indicate quoted text. that should be replaced by a ">" sign, right?
09:30<paddy_>ah, i think when i disable that html is used this could be fixed
09:32<paddy_>yes :)
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10:37<Echoz[m]>paddy_: Pretty sure you can change from microsoft quoting to regular quoting in the thunderbird settings
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10:44<paddy_>Echoz[m]: yes, i needed to disable "compose in html"
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11:38<Aerus>Hi ! Can you give me the sources.list of distrib wheezy ? Please.
11:39<paddy>google for sources.list generator
11:39<paddy>i think it has oldoldstable
11:39<paddy>no, wheezy is older - sorry
11:40<paddy>Aerus: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy
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11:43<Aerus>Error with the source via a update : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main
11:43<Aerus>Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP : 151.101.120.204 80]
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11:44<themill>that sources.list line is not generating that error btw
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11:50<Aerus>Oh... Thks themill ! I found a file "wheezy-backports.list" was a problem for update
11:50<Aerus>Solved :| ^^
11:50<Flygenri1g>disconnect
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12:24<istrive>Hello all, I did a fresh install of debian buster 10.1 on a virtualbox, isntalled guest additions, can browse the web over firefox, ping by ip/domain but apt update wont work at all
12:26<istrive>i also disabled the IPv6 by sysctl already, but still no go for apt update/upgrade/install or whatever linked to apt
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12:28<bdbit>Hi, I keep getting "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
12:28<bdbit>doesn't make sense to me, because it should be empty (and is therefore not supposed to load/access anything)
12:28<bdbit>what am I not understanding correctly?
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12:31<bdbit>I understand LC_ALL as an "override" to ease setting "all" locales at once. It doesn't therefore make sense to (indirectly) complain about it not being set, when there is no intention to use it.
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12:34<jhutchins_wk>!locale
12:34<dpkg>A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale
12:34<jhutchins_wk>!locales
12:34<dpkg>Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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12:37<bdbit>I already ran dpkg-reconfigure locales a dozen times
12:38<bdbit>I don't understand what there is to be done for LC_ALL since it should not be set by default
12:42<bdbit>if I do "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 locale" there is no error, if I do just "locale" it complains it can't "set" "LC_ALL" - what does it need to set in the first place?
12:42<bdbit>if LC_ALL is empty, there is nothing to be set, no ?
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12:46<mosasaur>maybe this is like having to set a display
12:47<bdbit>even all the examples (e.g. debian wiki link above) say that LC_ALL is an *override* and not a regular setting
12:48<bdbit>and they all show it as empty, just as in my case. only that locale for some reason tries to "do" something with the empty value
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12:49<mosasaur>I think I saw something somewhere during an install that the chosen locale was not compatible
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12:50<mosasaur>so maybe you have set something there
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12:53<bdbit>I think I found the problem
12:54<bdbit>if I do "export LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" " first it doesn't complain about LC_ALL... I had it set to en_GB - maybe it tries to "fall back" to LC_ALL if it can't find the files and then complains about LC_ALL instead - which is utterly stupid tbh
12:54<bdbit>strace helped...
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12:55<bdbit>it should have complained about LC_TIME because that was the value it couldn't find... but instead it said LC_ALL was wrong. disturbing.
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12:56<bdbit>should probably file a bug report, but I don't want to, because it's beyond ridiculous that this wasn't spotted by the original developer
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12:58<bdbit>yes, that was the cause. I added en_GB with locale-gen and now it works without LC_ALL or overriding LC_TIME
12:59<bdbit>reprodue: LC_TIME="INTENTIONALLY_NO_SUCH_FILE" locale <-- complains about LC_ALL
12:59<bdbit>can someone point me to the proper place to report this idiocy
13:00<bdbit>there are literally hundreds of threads on the internet that all suggest partly wrong solutions because of this bug.... I am barely the only one stumbling into this. most people apparently end up either not fixing it, or fixing it by accident, removing the offending value without ever finding out which one it was.
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13:01<bdbit>(or accidentally adding the missing locale, some people even suggest to install _ALL_ locales as a mis-guided solution)
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13:16<bdbit>ok, reporting via this annoying reportbug-tool... feels pointless... same happens for a number of others
13:16<bdbit>reproduce: for l in $(locale | cut -d '=' -f 1) ; do echo "$l" ; env ${l}="MISSING" locale > /dev/null ; echo ; done
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13:31<bdbit>hahahaha GENIUS.... reportbug sends via /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is, of course, unconfigured.
13:31<bdbit>I knew this could only turn out sad
13:32<bdbit>can someone tell me how to alternatively deliver an email that was placed in the queue (I suppose) with (apparently exim4) unconfigured sendmail?
13:32<bdbit>it correctly says "R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported"
13:32<azeem>copy-paste the body and send it off to submit@bugs.debian.org
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13:32<bdbit>okay, will do, thanks azeem
13:32<azeem>also carry-over the subject
13:33<Flygenring>There are guidelines here https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
13:33<bdbit>was wondering whether the headers are important or not
13:33<azeem>exim -Mvb <msg-id>
13:33<azeem>should give you the message
13:33<azeem>the pseudo-headers in the body are important
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13:34<bdbit>Flygenring: I tried reading that, it's really TL;DR for the whole thing! went with 'reportbug' in the end, which can't send anything in standard configuration
13:34<bdbit>azeem: nice, thanks! OK will add anything in body, incl. Subject:
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13:35<bdbit>yeah those headers are pointless anyway (and even divulge too much information about my system ... ts....)
13:36<azeem>subject: should be subject:
13:36<azeem>I'm not sure which headers you are talking about
13:36<azeem>maybe you mean the footer?
13:37<bdbit>X-Mailer, then Message-ID: <generated_number_of_dubious_information_content.reportbug@host.domain>
13:37<bdbit>my local host.domain is completely irrelevant
13:37<blast007>!reportbug MTA
13:37<dpkg>The <reportbug> utility does NOT require you to run a local mail server (mail transport agent). When reportbug asks "Do you have a 'mail transport agent'?" say N (which is the default) and then, just as it says hit ENTER to use a Debian SMTP host.
13:37<bdbit>it didn't ask me :(
13:37<bdbit>and I definitely never manually chose to install exim as I don't need an MTA
13:38<bdbit>could probably file another bug report ...
13:38<blast007>maybe you should file a bug rep-uh..hmm
13:38<blast007>:)
13:38<bdbit>yeah
13:38<bdbit>I'll leave someone else to fuss about that, thanks for the pointer on exim -Mvb & that mail body is enough
13:38<mendelmunkis>try rebortbug --configure and set a more verbose level.
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13:39<bdbit>(+ Subject of course :(
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13:39<azeem>bdbit: that's how message-ids work
13:42<bdbit>azeem: I see.. well I'm more happy just submitting it via webmail anyway
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13:42<bremner>hopefully your webmail client sends plain text
13:43<bdbit>bremner: I hope too, it's Gmail, I always try to avoid formatting and I believe it does send plain text if you don't choose any format
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13:43<blast007>bdbit: in the compose window, click the three dots near the trash icon and choose "Plain text mode"
13:44<wonderworld>where would i find the ntpd logs? journalctl -u ntp.service would show "Started LSB: Start NTP daemon." only after an hour or so
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13:46<bdbit>blast007: oh thanks, I didn't know that existed. just a minute too late unfortunately, it seems it sends both plain and HTML by default
13:48<bdbit>blast007: do you know whether it remembers "plain text mode" for the next time? I only use HTML when answering my mums emails because she uses different colors for her replies instead of > for some reason ...
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13:50<bdbit>thanks, it worked: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941095
13:50<blast007>I'm not sure if it remembers that setting.
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13:52<bdbit>well, I'll hopefully remember to check that setting frequently, now that you reminded me that it exists :-)
13:53<bdbit>feeling a bit guilty about apparently spamming the world with useless HTML emails for a long time.
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14:14<wannabe-mirror>virt-framework... you mean virt-manager?
14:14<Flygenring>bdbit: That bug report took awfully long to submit, congrats on making it through it.
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14:24<annadane>why do i not have a systemd.syntax(5) manual page?
14:25<paddy>have you apt-file'ed it already?
14:26<Flygenring>It's supposed to be In the main systemd packages.
14:26<annadane>how? anyway, journald.conf tells me to check systemd.syntax yet i don't have a man page for it
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14:27<Flygenring>annadane: if you do apt-file search FILENAME you can look up what packages provide a certain file.
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14:27<annadane>okay, systemd-syntax is apparently in section 7
14:27<annadane>just not section 5
14:28<annadane>so the journald.conf man page is wrong?
14:28<paddy>there is a "dpkg -S" command (i think) that does the same
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14:28<annadane>sorry systemd.syntax not systemd-syntax
14:28<Flygenring>Correct me if i am wrong, but i think "dpkg -S" only works for installed packages.
14:28<paddy>Flygenring: true
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14:28<annadane>man-db is a package but i don't know if you can get more discrete than that
14:29<annadane>there is apropos, though
14:29<annadane>which i didn't think of
14:29<paddy>annadane: aside from the technical aspects i would like to appologize. i have been rude some time ago
14:29<Flygenring>When I do "apt-file search systemd.syntax" It's listed as being in the systemd package. With the path: /usr/share/man/man7/systemd.syntax.7.gz
14:30<annadane>yeah, so 7, and not 5
14:30<annadane>that's a bug in the man page then
14:31<Flygenring>Yeah, in that case that should probably be reported.
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14:33<TTilus>My caps lock just went into reverse. In e.g. Chromium and Gnome terminal caps lock on (light on) produces normal text and caps lock off (light off) all caps. In screen lock pw entry and Gnome search (activated from hyper) caps lock behaves normally.
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14:36<TTilus>I upgraded to new version a couple of days ago. Running vanilla Gnome desktop Debian defaults to.
14:36<dboles>"just" like randomly during a session, or when rebooting, or starting a particular app, changing a setting, etc ?
14:37<TTilus>Tried rebooting browser, login/logout, but doesn't seem to affect.
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14:39<TTilus>It went like this mid session. I'm sure it wasn't like this when I last time booted. I remember failing with my pw quite a few times (when laptop woke up from lid being closed) and only then noticed I had caps lock on. Switched it off, logged in and noticed all my text was caps. As a knee-jerk reaction just hit caps without really looking at the light and went on about my business.
14:40<dboles>sounds like a blip in the login/display manager i guess, not seen/heard of it myself though
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14:40<TTilus>Now I noticed text in Gnome search appearing all caps and saw my caps was on. But Chromium acts as if it wasn't. Rebooted browser. No change.
14:40<TTilus>Maybe I'll just try and reboot...
14:41<TTilus>Any diagnostics I could try?
14:41<TTilus>And where actually the caps lock interpretation is done?
14:42<TTilus>It feels really weird that apps disagree on the caps lock status.
14:42<dboles>are you using x11 or wayland?
14:43<dboles>i feel like maybe this depends on them using different apis to get the keyboard modifier state or such
14:43<TTilus>Uhm... the new version was supposed to be Wayland, I guess...
14:43<TTilus>How can I tell?
14:44<TTilus>$ ps axu | grep -i way
14:44<TTilus>--> /usr/bin/Xwayland :0 -rootless -terminate -accessx -core -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6
14:44<TTilus>So I guess it is Wayland
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14:46<dboles>sorry, "them using different apis" meant the different applications, perhaps using different wayland or X functions or api versions, dependent on the toolkit they use (GTK in the case of gnome-terminal, St for gnome-shell, etc)
14:46<TTilus>With that lead I found this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/344 which matches my experience.
14:47<dboles>whether wayland or X is in use will just maybe point at which differing ways the apps might be querying that info
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15:01<jmbob>my terminal is doing something weird, anyone awake?
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15:01<annadane>lots of people are awake, yes
15:02<jmbob>that's a good place to start :P
15:04<annadane>the general way to clear gunk off the terminal is 'clear' but i don't know what your "terminal doing something weird" means specifically
15:04<jmbob>so here goes, every now and then my terminal (bash shell) seems to try to autocomplete on a blank line, not sure what triggers it, but all provided 'autocompletions' are entried in my hosts file...
15:05<annadane>clarify blank line?
15:05<jmbob>been googling it for over a week, trying to replicate it (purposefully), i got nothing
15:06<Flygenring>First off, terminal != shell, bash is not your shell it's shell. What terminal emulator are you using?
15:06<jmbob>line just sitting there at the prompt with nothing typed
15:06<Flygenring>not your terminal, sorry*
15:06<annadane>and it autocompletes specific characters if you press tab? is it always the same characters?
15:06<jmbob>i've seen it happen in konsole and whichever default terminal emulator is in mate
15:07<jmbob>autocomplete operates as it normally would otherwise
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15:07<TTilus>Funnily enough, xkbvleds shows caps lock reversed compared to the actual led in the keyboard.
15:07<TTilus>Apparently that's looking the state from the same place than Gnome Shell
15:09<Flygenring>Since you are using Wayland could it be that it affects applications using xwayland?
15:09<annadane>jmbob, if nobody here knows you can perhaps try #bash on freenode
15:10<annadane>that it's two different terminals doing it suggests an issue with the shell, not the terminal emulator
15:11<jmbob>ty annadane, i'll keep digging at it, i just get really paranoid when all my defined hosts suddenly appear on-screen
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15:18<TTilus>Decided to reboot. Now caps lock is back to normal. Mysterious glitch...
15:20<jhutchins_wk>TTilus: I saw that happening occasionally several years ago.
15:22<bdbit>Flygenring: yes it did take awfully long... but at least now I know how it works and can hopefully contribute better in the future. thanks :-)
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16:30<MWelchUK>Hi, I'm having rather a lot of issues with my Debian (home) server. My server *was* running Debian 9 happily, with root on RAID5. Grub updated and it failed to install properly, I thought I'd corrected it, but missed that it hadn't actually worked and thus ended up with an unbootable machine when I rebooted. Since it was hosed (and as I was contemplating making a few changes anyway) I decided to do a fresh install of Debian 10.
16:30<MWelchUK>I decided to use 2 disks in RAID1 for the root. As I wasn't sure whether this would work, I tried it out in KVM on my desktop. Go to manual partitioning at the appropriate time; setup raid1 on disks; return to guided partitioning; pick use entire disk (with or without LVM, I did with in the VM, tried both on the physical hardware); allow it to continue the install as normal. This works beautifully in KVM, Grub fails to install
16:30<MWelchUK>every time on the actual physical hardware. Anyone got any ideas of how to go about debugging this?
16:31<MWelchUK>I've ensured that the BIOS is fully up-to-date, that's had no effect.
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16:32<MWelchUK>I'm assuming that the last update to grub (something that made it into the update in Debian 9 and is in the grub in Debian 10 has resulted in this failure for me...
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16:44<cerna>Is there a way to tell the "deb-pkg" to not "make clean"? So, to not recompile all the unchanged files.
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16:46<jhutchins_wk>!fixgrub
16:46<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
16:48<jhutchins_wk>I don't run raid, but grub is supposed to be able to boot from it. I've seen it suggested that it needs to be installed on BOTH of the physical devices. Your raid drivers and config need to be in the initramfs.
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16:51<sney>MWelchUK: is that a md raid or a hardware raid? or more specifically, does debian know it is a raid or does it see it as a single block device?
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16:54<MWelchUK>sney, md raid, once the raid has been configured in the installer, it sees /dev/md0
16:54<sney>ok. you will probably need to install grub to the boot record of both of your mirror devices.
16:55<MWelchUK>jhutchins_wk, That's one of the first things I tried.
16:55<MWelchUK>jhutchins_wk, It's failing to install on either device.
16:55<MWelchUK>s/device/disk/
16:55<sney>what output does it give you, specifically?
16:56<MWelchUK>I'll have to switch to my laptop and try install again to get that (will take me a few minutes...) My server isn't in the easiest location to work from...
16:57<MWelchUK>BRB
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17:23<mwelchuk>sney, So, err, it seems to have worked this time...
17:23<sney>hooray!
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17:23<mwelchuk>Other than having just done an install on just one disk, I have litterally no idea what I've done differently to the 10+ times I've installed it over the last ~week or so...
17:24*mwelchuk runs update-grub and grub-install to see what happens
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17:31<mwelchuk>sney, Heh, I think I only did a soft reboot after the BIOS upgrade. I just did a hard power cycle before re-installing. I'm going to assume that had an effect as grub-install seems quite happy to install onto both drives now.
17:32<mwelchuk>Thanks for your help :-)
17:32<sney>no problem, glad it worked out
17:33<mwelchuk>So am I, it was going to get rather problematic soon if I didn't get my server back online.
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17:46<rob_debian>Hi all, please, a friend of mine has a ssd that is needed to install debian buster 10.1. But whenever he tries to boot from midia to install it. he faces this information first: https://imgur.com/a/CwYBKNR
17:48<sney>are you having trouble understanding what "Status BAD, Backup and Replace" means?
17:48<rob_debian>that is needed for installing....
17:48<rob_debian>Hi sney, no, in fact no, it's a damaged ssd...
17:49<blast007>what's the question then?
17:50<rob_debian>yeah, sure, my question doesn't make sense. Now I wake up, sorry...
17:50<rob_debian>Hi blast007, the question is I have to make a research about alzheimer, lol. Sorry, doesn't make sense my question....
17:52<annadane>i think the *question* makes perfect sense, but your friend's boot-up screen is clearly telling them what has to happen
17:55<rob_debian>Hi annadane, really ? well, it still recommends a backup before replacing it, so it's possible recovering all data into it. It's a debian installation with ext4 fs
17:57<blast007>just to be clear, it's recommending that data be backed up before it replaced. it's not saying that data is being backed up.
17:58<blast007>before it is*
18:03<rob_debian>sure blast007, I understood that, thanks ! :)
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18:04<rob_debian>if it recommends you to backup it, so it's possible to recover all data before replacing it. It's clear, thank you blast007 :)
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18:21<somiaj>yea, if the drives SMART is saying it is bad, I would assume it is bad and get a new drive
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18:34<rob_debian_>Hi somiaj ! Sure, in fact, it really must to be replaced. I think the major doubt is if it's possible recovering data. But if message displayed tells you to do backup...
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18:42<somiaj>if recovering data yo umay want to remove it from the machine and use some usb to stata converter to see if you can get anything off of it
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18:57<rob_debian_>Fine somiaj, I've learnt this process through DNS support provided here, and it was sucessfully completed. But my case is a little bit different than my friend's case. Anyway, I think we will be able on doing it.
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18:58<rob_debian_>somiaj, I used a external usb device (a simple case, in my case) and used testdisk in debian. It was happy end - all data was recovered from the lost partition
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19:36<EVil>https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/alpha/python-nfqueue/download STABLE?
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19:46<paddy>EVil: in sid?
19:46*themill thinks an actual question would be useful
19:46<paddy>why is sid the name for the unstable packages?
19:46<sney>!sid faq
19:46<dpkg>http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>.
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20:10<znoteer>I'm trying to partition disks in the debian-installer. When select "Bootable flag" and hit enter, instead of switching to on, it stays at off. Any idea why it would refuse to mark a partition as bootable?
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20:20<whislock>If there is a package in buster with a bug that's been fixed in the version in testing, is that a backports candidate, a bugreport candidate, or something else?
20:30<bremner>whislock: if the bug is important enough, and the fix is small enough, it can go in a point release
20:30<bremner>which I guess you could request with a bug report
20:31<bremner>backports are supposed to be for new features, mainly
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20:35<sqrt{not}>znoteer: are you partitioning an EFI disk ?
20:37<znoteer>sqrt{not}: I created a new gpt partition table using debian-live. Does that make it an efi disk?
20:39<sqrt{not}>I think in that case no.
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23:31<Alone>Hi All
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