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01:32<twb>Is there like a "comparison table" between the different builds of vim?
01:32<twb>Like right now I'm going "WTF is the difference between vim and vim-nox -- neither seem to pull in gtk/qt"
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01:34<jm_>correct, there's vim-gtk and vim-gtk3 for that ;)
01:34<twb>Also which ones provide "vim", because IIRC vim-tiny doesn't, or didn't
01:35<Nemoder>vim provides editor. vim-nox provides editor, vim, vim-lua, vim-perl, vim-python3, vim-ruby, vim-tcl
01:36<twb>OK so "vim-nox" adds all the non-vimlang extension language mojo
01:36<twb>what debian/rules is calling ALLINTERPFLAGS
01:39<twb>http://ix.io/1WZD comparison table
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01:45<twb>Looks like vim-basic is what I want, so that I have e.g. color and arrow keys, but not pull in 20MB of tcl and ruby
01:45<twb>I guess ruby gets pulled in already by that one apt safety net... apt-listchanges or something
01:47<twb>Yeah and I was right -- "vim-tiny" provides /usr/bin/vi but not /usr/bin/vim. "vim" (vim-basic) provides both
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02:10<hal>how can I write an alias for sudo that autmatically gives sudo the relevant password
02:11<twb>hal: you probably want to just tell sudo to not prompt for a password
02:11<jm_>wouldn't it instead be better to configure sudo to not require password for that one command?
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02:11<hal>how do i configure sudo
02:11<twb>man 5 sudoers
02:11<twb>sudo visudo
02:12<hal>ok thanks i will go and read man 5
02:12<jm_>here's how I do it, username ALL = NOPASSWD: cmd1, cmd2
02:12<twb>For example, you could put "hal ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in /etc/sudoers.d/hal-can-do-anything-with-no-password-prompt
02:12<allant>hal, you could use $ echo <password> | sudo -S <command>
02:12<twb>allant: that will make the password visible to all local processes
02:12<allant>But then your password is in plaintext. make sure to chmod 600 .bash_aliases
02:13<twb>allant: it will be visible in /proc still
02:13<allant>twb, you have a point. don't trust anything I say!
02:13<twb>In general you should not have passwords in the first place
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02:15<hal>twb I gree 150% - I should be able set a system up with 0 security or anal retentive depleted uranium walls
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02:15<twb>hal: er, what I mean is you should be authenticating yourself to the system using "something you have" or "something you are", not "something you know"
02:16<twb>Or at least not *only* "something you know"
02:16<allant>Like ssh keys?
02:16<twb>allant: right
02:17<twb>Or kerberos/saml tickets and common access cards, or whatever :-)
02:17<hal>Thank you - I will try the answers given and set myself up as 'administrator'
02:18<allant>But they don't work for sudo. Passwordless sudo seems like a bad idea. I can run sudo rm -rf / when you leave a terminal open (or I'm a bad script that doesn't run as root but can use passwordless sudo)
02:18<twb>allant: sudo can talk to krb
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02:20<twb>allant: the way that yubikey (can) work is that every time that script tries to do ssh (or I guess sudo), it makes the key flash, and you have to physically press the yubikey or the auth fails
02:20<twb>allant: and if you walk away from your terminal, you're supposed to take the yubikey with you
02:20<allant>Interesting...
02:21<twb>I fully concede "get rid of all passwords" is a hard problem. But there are definitely mitigations if you're prepared to sink money and hassle into it
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09:37<Mario>Hi. I removed old repositories that I don't use anymore from sources.list.d and it appears that I still have packages installed from these repositories. How do I remove them all?
09:39<Gabriel_7>Mario: aptitude search ~o # check which packages are obsolete
09:39<Gabriel_7>aptitude purge ~o # remove them
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09:44<Mario>What does open, closed, defer and conflict mean in aptitude after doing purge ~o?
09:44<Mario>It showed me "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder?[Y/n]" for second time. Should I continue?
09:45<Mario>For now I have open: 9970 closed: 119956 defer: 19 conflict: 27
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09:46<Mario>Gabriel_7: What should I do next?
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09:47<Gabriel_7>Difficult to say without seeing what's wrong. In doubt, cancel :)
09:47<Mario>Will it later list and ask for confirmation?
09:48<Mario>Gabriel_7: Or will it delete packages without confirmation?
09:48<Gabriel_7>I dont think it will ...
09:49<Mario>Well, in worst case I will just install fresh debian, because this is my "weird experiments" vps.
09:50<Gabriel_7>Mario: you could check in "aptitude" (without arguments)
09:50<Gabriel_7>it's easier to see conflicts there
09:50<Gabriel_7>... once you know how to use it
09:51<Mario>Gabriel_7: What if I just search for obsolete packages with aptitude, then save them to file, and then run apt-get remove with all packages from this file?
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09:54<Gabriel_7>I don't think it will change anything about that.
09:54<Gabriel_7>you can remove each package one by one and see which which ones conflicts with something
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10:40<Mario>I have some serious issue right now. I was doing dist-upgrade via xrdp and it suddenlt logged me out, perhaps it needed to restart service. I logged in via ssh and it says that dpkg database is locked by another user. I can't login back on remote desktop, can't start xrdp service to resume session and can't reinstall xrdp via apt. What do I do now?
10:41<Mario>Is it possible to transfer session of terminal emulator from desktop to ssh without access to the desktop?
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10:45<simonpatapon>maybe with bg and fg?
10:45<blast007>Mario: I'm not familar with how xrdp works. Would that terminal still be running? If so, perhaps it's still installing updates and will finish normally if you just leave it be?
10:46<Mario>I suspect it need attention, like some confirmation
10:47<blast007>you could 'tail -f' the logs in /var/log to see if it's doing anything, such as 'tail -f /var/log/apt/term.log'
10:47<GyrosGeier>probably restarted the logind
10:47<simonpatapon>maybe it's asking a Y/N question and waiting for an awnser
10:47<GyrosGeier>that tends to log out all logged-in users
10:48<Mario>blast007: tail -f shows: warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective
10:49<Mario>nvm, i typed the command wrong
10:49<blast007>well.. you need to tell it which log to look at
10:49<blast007>:)
10:50<Mario>blast007: it asks for confirmation
10:50<Mario>how do I send a confirmation?
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10:50<Mario>somehow I feel like my brain is liquifying
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10:52<Mario>blast007: I doubt that I can use fg, because xrdp creates another shell
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10:52<Mario>like making new ssh connection
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10:56<sarnold>indeed you cannot use bg and fg to move processes from one terminal to another
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10:57<Mario>So what can i do? I don't have reptyr and I can't use apt.
10:58<Mario>I don't want to kill apt-get, because it may break something.
10:58<sarnold>I'd probably kill apt and any descendents and start it over again
10:58<jhutchins_wk>Mario: Clean install time.
10:58<sarnold>unless there's a chance that you can drive to wherever the gui is still running and interact with it there
10:59<jhutchins_wk>sarnold: If it was a remote session it probably can't be connected locally.
10:59<Mario>It's vps. There is no gui besidex xrdp. There is no even image output.
10:59<Mario>I can login to virtual terminal via hosting site but it's still console only.
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11:00<jhutchins_wk>As it should be.
11:00<sarnold>ah, I thought this was a gui running on a machine somewhere and you just connected to it remotely from time to time
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11:01<jhutchins_wk>Mario: The simplest solution would be to ask your ISP to delete the VM and reprovision a clean one.
11:01<jhutchins_wk>... and not use a remote GUI to manage it.
11:01<Mario>Well, I can just kill the process and try to repair packages, but it can make errors. If I delete VM, not only I have to spend 10-20h configuring it back, but I also lose my super-cheap deal.
11:02<Mario>its 1 euro / month VPS
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11:07<thsnr>Mario: deleting the VM seems premature; kill the process and run: apt install --fix-broken
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11:08<Mario>Is there a way to echo an enter key?
11:09<Mario>I'm trying something like: echo "N" > /proc/21492/fd/0
11:09<Mario>But I need to send enter
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11:12<Mario>I killed apt-get, reconfigured dpkg and it seems to continue just fine
11:12<Mario>Never doing update remotely without reptyr anymore
11:13<sarnold>use tmux or screen instead
11:13<sarnold>far more reliable
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11:13<Mario>What if screen needs update?
11:13<blast007>ssh + tmux/screen
11:13<Mario>Does screen work as service or more like reptyr?
11:14<blast007>screen isn't a service that gets restarted during an update
11:14<GyrosGeier>does logind leave screen sessions alone, or does that also break?
11:14<sarnold>I've seen that once in 25 years, where I couldn't use screen to re-attach to an already running session. I used /proc/pid/exe to get to the already-running screen executable and that worked great. not bad..
11:16<Mario>It seems that there are some errors during database update but I'm gonna purge it anyway.
11:20<Mario>Now I have to pray that it will boot up after restart.
11:20<Mario>Holy shit it did. Thank you all for help.
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12:26<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I was noticed that there were 5 vulnerabilities in kernel Linux used in 'buster' and 'stretch'and System is free from them again (if version used by user is 4.19.67-2+deb10u1, so it's ok)
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12:28<sney>there are always "vulnerabilities" in stuff (https://cve.mitre.org/cve/) but it's a meaningless metric unless you understand the specifics
12:28<rob_debian>That's my case here. Vulnerabilities are mentioned as CVE-2019-15902, CVE-2019-14821, CVE-2019-15117, CVE-2019-14835, and CVE-2019-15118. Please, confirm to me about this new.
12:29<sney>e.g. read the actual CVEs and try to determine if they actually apply to you, rather than being frightened of numbers
12:29<jhutchins_wk>!tracker of doom
12:29<dpkg>The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
12:29<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: You can't judge Debian vulnerabilities by upstream version numbers.
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12:30<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: Pretty much true of any Linux distribution. Unless you're running LFS or are compiling your own packages from upstream the upstream versions are meaningless.
12:30<rob_debian>Hi sney, thanks for answering me and clarifying me about this. Hi jhutchins_wk, thanks for answering too :)
12:30<jhutchins_wk>sney: Use the Tracker to read the CVEs as addressed by Debian.
12:31<sney>jhutchins_wk: yeah, just brain farted the link
12:31<rob_debian>I see jhutchins_wk, LFS you want mean Linux from Scratch ?
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12:31<rob_debian>you want to mean.... ?
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12:37<rob_debian>I'm going to read about it https://cve.mitre.org/cve/ and other mentioned links. Thank you, sney and jhutchins_wk for information and and your commitment to demystify certain issues for the laity :)
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12:45<jhutchins_wk>sney: Sorry, I actually meant that for rob_debian
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12:45<sney>nod
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13:23<mms_>I have tried stretch package for firmware misc nonfree
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13:23<mms_>I am using buster it had same issue so tried downgrade
13:25<mms_>it's says authenticated and then aborts
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15:14<junes2>netinst needs wifi firmware??? how
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15:15<retrospectacus>dpkg: installer firmware
15:15<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
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15:15<retrospectacus>dpkg: firmware images
15:15<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/
15:16<junes2>working at 'install' stage now (so no network) updates??? just asked for mirror
15:17<junes2>running new install from CD
15:18<junes2>on laptop ... :)
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15:19<retrospectacus>junes2: do you have any question not addressed by the robot above?
15:19<junes2> ... HP2000 ... :)
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15:21<junes2>after 'base system' installs the downloaded 'wifi firmware' will enable ... proper updates???
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15:21<retrospectacus>yes
15:22<junes2>via packages etc???
15:22<junes2>install just finished
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15:23<junes2>can Ghost be installed over this
15:24<junes2>DDebian???
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15:25<bugtraq>hi
15:25<junes2>hello???
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15:26<bugtraq>hi boy
15:26<retrospectacus>what is ghost
15:26<bugtraq>you girl
15:26<retrospectacus>bugtraq: do you have a Debian support question
15:26<junes2>Ghost is 'GhostBSD19.09'
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15:36<envision>hello i have this issue when i enter to the TTY and when i switch user
15:36<envision>https://pasteboard.co/IzeQiGb.jpg
15:36<envision>any help
15:38<head>it seems you messed with your root files
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15:40<envision>is not about root files i guess it is something with graphic driver
15:40<sqrt{not}>envision: when did it start having this problem ?
15:42<envision>sqrt{not}: since i install debian 10
15:42<sqrt{not}>does it work normally in any kind of graphics environment, or this is all you get ?
15:45<envision>sqrt{not}: i only have this issue when i get to the TTY
15:45<retrospectacus>is that a laptop? Try an external monitor
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15:46<envision>retrospectacus: yes it is a laptop with touch screen
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15:49<sqrt{not}>so, does it work normally in any kind of graphics environment ?
15:50<envision>sqrt{not}: yes it does i only get those error in the TTY
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16:20<sqrt{not}>envision: can you open a text terminal in your graphics environment, for some troubleshooting ?
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16:33<envision>sqrt{not}: what exactly do you mean? i can open the konsole im using kde the konsole work really good with no errors
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16:36<sqrt{not}>yes, good. I was thinking of trying: sudo dmesg | grep frame
16:36<sqrt{not}>to look for messages about the framebuffer
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16:39<envision>sqrt{not}: ok here the output of dmesg
16:39<envision>http://paste.debian.net/1102755/
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16:40<envision>it seem everything in order
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16:46<sqrt{not}>that looks ok. just fishing, but maybe try: sudo dmesg | grep i915
16:53<envision>here http://paste.debian.net/1102756/
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16:58<jhutchins_wk>envision: You should read it, not just send it to us.
16:59<envision>jhutchins_wk: i did but i dont find anything wrong
17:00<jhutchins_wk>narispo: OK.
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17:04<sqrt{not}>envision: I'm no more help sorry
17:05<envision>sqrt{not}: ok no problem i going to keep looking myself
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17:56<yacin-linux>hello guys
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18:01<jlgaddis>Anyone here been successful "self-signing" a kernel module (and loading it!) with an MOK on any 5.x kernel in testing or unstable? (works as expected on buster w/ the 4.19.x kernels)
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18:08<at0m>jlgaddis: if you haven't, your odds on support are bigger if you tell the channel where you get stuck
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18:09<retrospectacus>see <anyone> and also <debian-next>
18:09<at0m>jlgaddis: as for testing, see #debian-next indeed
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18:57<junes2>at debian logon: 'would like GUI' maybe load Debian OS???
18:58<junes2>don't know command to load OS???
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18:58<junes2>load OS???
18:58<junes2>start Debian OS
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19:00<junes2>how to start debian OS
19:01<junes2>boot OS
19:03<jack>huh
19:03<jack>junes2: what did you do and what do you want to accomplish
19:04<jack>I'd reccomend checking out the documentation on the website, it's quite good.
19:04<junes2>no GUI ,logged on as user, do not see a ?desktop'
19:04<jack>oh so you just installed a machine?
19:04<junes2>correct
19:04<jack>ah ok
19:04<junes2>thanks
19:04<jack>you probably want to install a desktop package
19:04<junes2>I thought I did???
19:04<jack>like "sudo apt install gnome-desktop" or something
19:05<jack>if it didn't boot to a grtaphical login manager
19:05<jack>you probably didn't
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19:05<jack>(if you don't want gnome look at the other options i think kde and xfce both have metapackages like gnome does)
19:06<jack>it's not default I don't think you have to click it when it asks if you're configuring a laptop or mail server or desktop
19:06<jack>in d-i
19:06<junes2>will this cmd 'sudo apt install gnome-desktop' work from where I'm at(logged-on)?
19:07<junes2>forgot my ' - ' key does not work on the PC :(
19:08<junes2>any thig in the 'help' list?
19:08<junes2>maybe I could copy/paste?
19:09<jack>you can tab complete it :)
19:09<jack>yeah you can run that in a shell anywhere
19:09<jack>you may not need the sudo if you're logged in as root
19:10<jack>but yeah that'll make sure you have the desktop software
19:10<jack>if it doesn't work afterb that (and maybe a reboot) you'll need to debug more stuff
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19:11<henri_>helloß
19:11<junes2>also 'the screen left side is damaged :), -tab- seemed to auto run
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19:13<henri_>hello?
19:13<junes2>sudo apt install gnome --- tab here?
19:13<ich>hi
19:13<junes2>hello
19:14<ich>thought irc is not working but probably just no other people in the channels i tried
19:14<ich>thanks :)
19:14<avu>gern geschehen
19:14<junes2>forgot my '' - '' key does not work on the PC
19:15<ich>ab ins bett!
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19:15<junes2>'unable to locate package gnome' ???
19:15<retrospectacus>dpkg: install gnome
19:15<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
19:17<junes2>cd to flash
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19:19<junes2>thanks all
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20:01<appye>hello
20:02<appye>I was wondering if anyone knows of a wireless hotspot solution that also provides some access control like schedules and content filtering, etc.
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20:04<appye>wanting to see if I can avoid using my router and just use this laptop as an ap
20:07<appye>590 users ... does anyone see this message?
20:07<annadane>yep
20:09<retrospectacus>590 replies of "I don't know" would not be very useful :)
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20:09<blast007>not all wifi cards/drivers support AP mode
20:09<jack>ah the metapackage is task-gnome-desktop
20:10<mendelmunkis>you may want to look at hostapd
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20:11<jack>appye: is there a reason you're avoiding say openwrt?
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20:14<appye>jack, just wanting to see if it can be done. I am about to head down and get a used router off of craigslist and was planning on using dd-wrt or openwrt
20:14<appye>retrospectacus, yep. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't needing to do some sort of registration or something like on other servers.
20:15<appye>it doesn't seem like there is anything similar to use on my computer though...
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20:28<appye>right now I am running dd-wrt on a wrt54g and it is time for an upgrade!
20:29<simonpatapon>i use pFsense
20:29<simonpatapon>love it
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20:38<appye>simonpatapon, you run this in a vm, or use an old laptop or something? I am trying to avoid using another physical device ...
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20:38<simonpatapon>i have a 1U server dedicated
20:38<simonpatapon>you can use it in a VM
20:39<simonpatapon>wouldnt do
20:41<GPenguin>!docker
20:41<dpkg>[docker] #docker on chat.freenode.net
20:41<GPenguin>hmmm
20:42<appye>lol. this is for the living room. A VM wouldn't be bad (or I guess an old laptop) if it can be configured to use the physical wifi as an ap, and if it has configuration like schedules and access control to specific urls, etc. I want my kids to go to sleep and not be tempted to stay up all night on youtube, netflix, etc.
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21:24<GPenguin>how can i find out how much memory my integrated graphics unit "Radeon R5 / Kaveri" has? i tried the vendor page and inxi
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21:52<jlgaddis>GPenguin: i don't know what "the right way" might be but this does this trick for me:
21:52<jlgaddis>$ journalctl -b | egrep 'amdgpu:.*VRAM'
21:53<jlgaddis>Jun 18 05:13:13 cluefire.lab.oceania.lol kernel: [drm] amdgpu: 4096M of VRAM memory ready
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22:18<GPenguin>empty value for me, bummer
22:18<GPenguin>but thanks jlgaddis :)
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22:24<jlgaddis>Oh, sorry, just realized that was on an old Fedora box; "amdgpu" likely isn't gonna match on your machine.
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22:44<somiaj>you could try lshw, or maybe just check dmesg for info on your card
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