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01:26<rob_debian>Hi all, please, is there any icloud applications in debian's official repository for image (photos. .jpg files,etc) storage?
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01:28<somiaj>this answer is about 4 years old, but https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/275937/is-it-possible-to-run-icloud-drive-on-ubuntu
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01:28<somiaj>at the time there wasn't access to it in ubuntu, so highly doubt there is something in debian
01:30<somiaj>I did find this
01:30<somiaj>,v python3-pyicloud
01:30<judd>Package: python3-pyicloud on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.9.1-3; buster: 0.9.1-3; sid: 0.9.1-3
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01:30<somiaj>,i python3-pyicloud
01:30<judd>Package python3-pyicloud (python, optional) in buster/amd64: wrapper to access iPhone and Calendar data in the iCloud. Version: 0.9.1-3; Size: 15.1k; Installed: 82k; Homepage: https://github.com/picklepete/pyicloud
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01:34<rob_debian>Hi somiaj, thank you for attention ! So, it's not available for buster stable, only sid and for bullseye ?
01:35<somiaj>python3-pyicloud is in buster
01:35<somiaj>It seems to have some capabilities, but you will have to read the docs on it
01:36<rob_debian>Fine, somiaj. I'll do it, thank you :) Please, just more one doubt: 0.9.1-3 is version and release of the package, ok ?
01:39<somiaj>0.9.1 is the upstream version, 0.9.1-3 will include various debian patches, but yes 0.9.1-3 is the version avaiable in buster, bullseye and sid at the moment
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01:41<rob_debian>Fine, and please somia what's the package name to be used to call its man page in debian ? I've installed it here in my buster, but can't find its man page with the package name I used to install it here.
01:42<somiaj>it might not have a manpage, you may have to start in /usr/share/doc/packagename for docs, or check the upstream docs on how to use the python3 script provided.
01:42<somiaj>If it is a cli app, run the app with --help, this gives docs too
01:43<somiaj>yea, I'm not seeing any docs with the package, you could try just 'icloud --help'
01:43<rob_debian>Thank you very much for attention, somiaj, I'll do it exactly as you explain. Really thank you very much :)
01:43<somiaj>I don't see antying in /usr/share/doc/python3-pyicloud that would be that useful
01:44<somiaj>https://github.com/picklepete/pyicloud -- looks like upstream and it contains some docs too
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01:45<rob_debian>Oh, fine, I'll make a research on this adress by github. Really thank you very much for attention and Great Support ! Happy and fine to meet you here again !:)
01:45<somiaj>also looks more like a python libary than a tool, so it may take a bit to get it to work, in short, looks like there really sint' that many tools to contact the icloud in debian (or linux)
01:52<rob_debian>I see somiaj, so it will not work effectively as a ubuntu one, for example....
01:52<somiaj>the ubuntu comment was to use the browser app
01:53<somiaj>anyways, there is a lack of such tools, one will have to do a bit of work to get iclould access in linux it seems
01:55<rob_debian>I see somiaj, like you said, there isn't many tools to permit icloud access in linux; I saw this site but they aren't specific for linux:
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01:55<rob_debian>https://www.tecmundo.com.br/computacao-em-nuvem/22667-comparacao-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-ubuntu-one-icloud-box-e-sugarsync.htm
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02:35<annadane>the icloud is most likely proprietary so it makes sense there isn't something in debian to support it
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02:35<annadane>not that there isn't proprietary software in debian but for the icloud that's probably why
02:35<annadane>or maybe no one's bothered to package it, i don't know
02:36<annadane>but many companies have no sense of federation - ie talking between services - preferring a walled garden approach
02:36<annadane>apple is kind of famously synonymous with walled garden
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02:38<annadane>https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3689451 but it's from 2012
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02:48<rob_debian>Back here again. Oh, fine annadane, thank you very much for explanation. In fact, I asked to somiaj about it, and really makes sense this kind of "application" (in fact, it is a service) isn't available for debian.
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02:52<annadane>i would probably just get in contact with apple and ask, if anything
02:54<annadane>which is a fancy way of saying "i have no idea how to answer" but i guess somi kind of already did
02:54<annadane>(not using full name because don't want to ping)
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03:01<rob_debian>Oh, sure you already did it, annadane.
03:02<rob_debian>that's the problem: this new you've commented above is a bit old; 7 years ago.
03:02<annadane>i'll just add there may be no package *specifically* for debian to connect to icloud but there may be some workarounds
03:02<annadane>again i doubt it but it's possible
03:02<annadane>if it uses common protocols there may be some way to do it... but i really don't know
03:04<rob_debian>you said there may be some workarounds...but there isn't any clue it should be happening currently... or is there any ?
03:04<annadane>i don't know what apple uses for its cloud protocol so i can't answer
03:04<rob_debian>if it is proprietary, so debian will not be engaged on doing such thing...
03:05<grove>You can't know what other people highlight on, so really you can just hope you didn't highlight anything. I knew a guy who highlighter on a part of his nick that what also a part of "gummihandsker" (the danish word for rubber gloves)
03:05<rob_debian>Oh, you were talking about this theme relating it to apple.... I see
03:05<annadane>https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202304 does at least have some info
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03:06<rob_debian>I will check it annadane. Thank you very much !
03:06<rob_debian>Let me try to understand what grove has said to me....
03:06<annadane>debian does of course have proprietary software like nvidia drivers, the fact it's proprietary doesn't in principle mean debian refuses to support it
03:06<annadane>grove was replying to me
03:06<rob_debian>Oh, ok
03:07<annadane>so anyway, i'd just ask apple if there's any way to talk to anything icloud related in linux
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03:10<rob_debian>makes sense asking to apple in this case, I see. Tried to understand what groves said, he refers to the danish word for rubber gloves...
03:10<rob_debian>The first part of his comment I understood. The other no...
03:10<annadane>me neither. :P
03:11<rob_debian>curious here: Please annadane, if you permit me: are you from US ?
03:11<annadane>no.
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03:11<rob_debian>I asked you this because I'm curious about your nationality for a long time. Sorry.
03:12<rob_debian>If you are not american, I'm more curious than before, lol
03:13<rob_debian>well, I must go now, it's 04:12 AM here. Thank you very much for Great Support and nice attention, annadane !
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03:14<annadane>if you're asking about the icloud because someone has a file on it you need you can always ask them to transfer it to another medium
03:14<rob_debian>yes, that's the way :)
03:14<annadane>night
03:15<rob_debian>Bye annadane ! Bye grove ! God Bless you too ! Bye somiaj ! God Bless you !
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03:15<annadane>try to avoid pinging people? rob pings EVERYONE
03:15<annadane>oh well
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04:05<guruprasad>On my Debian buster install, I have unattended upgrades installed and configured. I have whitelisted the security updates by adding '"o=Debian,n=buster,L=Debian-Security"' to the whitelisted origins. However unattended-upgrades throws an error '__main__.UnknownMatcherError: Unknown whitelist entry for matcher L (token L=Debian-Security)'. How can I fix this?
04:10<jm_>try L → l
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04:13<aef>Is there a nice way to install Oracle Java 8 on Debian Buster? Sadly I need this outdated version for software compatibility
04:14<jm_>my system still has openjdk 8 packages from stretch installed after upgrade to buster - will that do?
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04:34<aef>jm_: I will check if its installable, thanks for the hint
04:34<jm_>aef: no worries
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05:22<dupondje>I have a server where I need to send a dhcpv6 duid in order to assign IPv6 addresses. Now dhclient is started via a systemd script, but on startup I get: no link-local IPv6 address for eno1
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05:23<dupondje>Any idea's on how this could be resolved cleanly?
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05:27<aidalgol>What am I doing wrong here? https://paste.debian.net/1103344/
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05:42<GyrosGeier>dupondje, the link-local address needs to be configured first
05:42<GyrosGeier>that happens automatically, but takes a few seconds because it needs to do DAD
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06:03<aef>jm_: that actually solved my problem. thank you a lot.
06:03<jm_>aef: enjoy
06:03<aef>jm_: do you know by any chance why there is an openjdk8 package in stretch and also in sid, but not in buster?
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06:05<jm_>aef: /bts 915620
06:05<jm_>bleh
06:07<jm_>aef: I tried to look on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openjdk-8 but the bug mentioned above is pretty much the only thing I found
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09:30<Charlie>I'm an Argentinean, living in Spain and developing a Debian-based distribution. It's called Quirinux. I have a problem> there is a program that is OpenToonz that uses the qtCamera class and I only get it to recognize webcams in debian 10. It doesn't work in Debian 9 nor does it work in the most modern version of Mint based on Ubuntu. And it doesn't work in Devuan nor in Mint LMDE, because it is based in Debian 9. There is
09:30<Charlie>some library in Debian 10 that makes the component work, but I don't know how to discover it. Any idea?
09:30<Charlie>Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator
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14:42<junes2>help to set up email
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14:43<sney>email what? email client? email server? be specific with your question. what exactly are you trying to do and what have you tried already
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14:50<junes2>have not tried anything, would like the 'Sweden?' server?
14:51<sney>what are you trying to do exactly.
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14:52<junes2><sney> ween myself from outlook, get another email ?server-service?
14:52<junes2>f<sney> free email service
14:53<sney>debian doesn't provide an inbox service. you can find one on web search
14:53<sney>for a client you can try thunderbird
14:53<sney>or just use webmail
14:54<junes2>sney> free email (secure) service 'IceDove'? what is webmail?
14:54<sney>webmail as in, when you go to the website for your email provider and it shows your inbox in the browser
14:55<sney>icedove is another name for thunderbird, it is an email *client* only. you still have to find your own provider
14:55<junes2>that is the point I think I have no provider
14:56<junes2>ney> no ISP?
14:56<sney>go to some web search and type "free email" and pick among many options
14:56<sqrt{not}>it is possible that your ISP provides email accounts ? if you are on sbcglobal, ask them about this
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15:02<junes2><sney> so how/where do I get a secure(d) email provider, non-corporation centered?
15:02<sney>go to some web search and type "free email" and pick among many options
15:02<sney>#debian is not here to do research for you
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15:08<junes2><sney> I agree, I can't recall the I got to where the service was offered, seemed to be in Sweden?
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15:12<junes2>maybe to do with journalist, activist, etc?
15:12<junes2>sorry for not being specific
15:14<retrospectacus>junes2: let us know if you have a Debian support question
15:15<junes2>#email
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15:16<junes2>!email
15:16<dpkg>Electronic mail. Uses <SMTP> for transfer. Client access usually via <imap> or <pop3>. Clients: e.g. <icedove>,<kmail>,<evolution>,<mutt>,<alpine>
15:16<junes2><icedove> setup
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15:24<grove>Shouldn't that factoid be changed to name thunderbird rather than icedove?
15:26<sqrt{not}>probably not helpful, look at this:
15:26<sqrt{not}>!thunderbird
15:26<dpkg>Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove
15:26<sney>,v thunderbird
15:26<judd>Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:60.8.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:60.8.0-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 1:60.9.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:60.9.0-1; sid: 1:60.9.0-1; experimental: 1:68.1.1-1~exp1
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15:26<sney>the ice* thing was temporary and the upstream names are allowed to be distributed again
15:27<retrospectacus>!factinfo thunderbird
15:27<dpkg>thunderbird -- last modified at Sat Feb 4 09:26:31 2012 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 118 times, last by sqrt{not}, 52s ago.
15:28<retrospectacus>well I'm too lazy, but anyone who wants to can update the factoids.
15:28<jhutchins_wk>junes2: Somebody has to pay to run a public email server. You're not going to find an organization doing it for free, but some internet businesses like yahoo, aol, and google run free servers.
15:29<sqrt{not}>the actual contents of the factoid are <reply> see icedove
15:29<jhutchins_wk>junes2: If you have your own domain, check with your registrar, they may offer mail service with the registration or at a reasonable additional fee.
15:31<junes2><jhutchins_wk> not up on the ISO levels of the internet, but I may have to retrace(hopefully) my steps to find that Swedish service
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15:33<junes2>my own domain, I am not running a server, or have any cloud services, so there you go
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15:36<junes2>do you sign off, or just close page/tab
15:37<sney>from irc? no difference
15:37<junes2><sney> thanks
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17:50<rob_debian>Hi all, please, should I consider this network connection believable ?
17:50<rob_debian>https://paste.debian.net/1103439/
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17:52<retrospectacus>rob_debian: what reason do you have to not believe it?
17:53<rob_debian>Hi retrospectacus, nice to meet you after a long time :) Well, this service by this url adress is not working.
17:53<jelly>it certainly isn't unbelievable!
17:55<rob_debian>hi jelly, nice to meet you too ! Please, explain me why isn't unbelievable....
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18:00<sney>rob_debian: lines 8 and 12 indicate that the ping packet is reaching hosts outside of your own network, so your connection is fine, and the problem is somewhere else on the internet
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18:01<sney>you can look at ip addresses to determine if they are on a public or private network and that is the main clue in that traceroute output. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
18:01<sney>please click the wikipedia link before asking any follow up questions about ip addresses.
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18:03<rob_debian>Hi sney, thank you for answering ! I use TV through internet connection. So, if it's fine, the issue is the device here that receives internet. My loca network is facing any problem...
18:03<jelly>rob_debian: bad connections and problematic network equipment preventing tracepath and traceroute are very believeable.
18:04<rob_debian>I see jelly...
18:04<rob_debian>it's a private network sney, they provide tv through internet for me.
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18:06<sney>your own traceroute output shows that the packet disappears far away from your own internet provider. that 4.x.x.x address is in California. it's not "the device that receives internet" it's just some routing breakdown between you and the web address you're trying to reach
18:06<sney>and thus, something you can't fix yourself.
18:07<rob_debian>I see sney. So, this output I sent to you reveals a problem...
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21:42<Apollo>Hi there, I have a question related to running LAMP on Debian 10 with phpmyadmin. So far install seems succesful, but I can't seem to find relevent information about setting up my Debian 10 server to allow connection from Windows PC over Mariadb ODBC connector.
21:44<sarnold>Apollo: I think this is probably what you're looking for https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/server-system-variables/#bind_address
21:45<sarnold>Apollo: (a) it appears that you can only have a SINGLE bound IP address ( https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/configuring-mariadb-for-remote-client-access/ ) (b) be completely sure that you've configured the server to require keys or certificates and forbid passwords if that's an option, because brute-force password guessing is the leading cause of breakins.. I don't know mysql/mariadb protocol, so maybe
21:45<sarnold>you're forced to use passwords, but at least look for a way to disable password authentication :)
21:49<Apollo>At this point I am not yet looking at security. Currently working on LAN on a test server, but the issue I have is that I don't know if I need to install anything on Debin 10 server or if the section which is supposed to provide access to the ODBC connector needsto be installed, if it is there what would be the reason for not accepting connection. So far, I get Conenction failure but this could simply be firewall issue.
21:50<Apollo>I don't know if the servcie is installed ( I don't know which servcie name should be listed that handle ODBC connector request).
21:51<sarnold>hmm. good question there. I'd assumed there would be a plugin in the odbc layer that would know how to talk postgresql or mysql or mssql or excel or whatever..
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21:58<Apollo>Thanks, the last link you provided might give more insights.
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