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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-10-01

---Logopened Tue Oct 01 00:00:37 2019
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01:31<user_>hello there?
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01:32<user_>anyone ?
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03:13<grawity>hey if certbot is a python 3 package, why does it recommend python-pyicu which is for python 2? is that a packaging bug or something weirder?
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03:17<annadane>i've never satisfactorily known how to answer 'why does x package depend on y' questions
03:17<annadane>aside from like, 'ask the maintainer'
03:18<azeem_>for y being a library, it's usually dynamic linking
03:18<azeem_>or python package dependencies etc.
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05:21<supaman>grawity: this does not seem to be true for certbot in buster, perhaps your still having some leftovers from stretch?
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05:24<grawity>supaman: dug deeper and it actually seems to be a recommend of python3-parsedatetime
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08:07<wannabe-mirror>not that i want to be rude but regarding kvm, do you know how to properly confiure a bridged network interface and an internal network with its own gateway?
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08:12<sep>wannabe-mirror, who are the "you" you are talking to ?
08:12<wannabe-mirror>sep: anyone who says i should migrate from virtualbox to kvm
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08:15<nikos>Anyone knows when firefox 68 will enter buster?
08:15<nikos>firefox ESR that is
08:16<sep>wannabe-mirror, if one works with kvm i would assume one knows how to properly configure a bridge network yes. but if virtualbox scratches your itch, nobody is forcing you to migrate. personaly i would reccomend proxmox (kvm user interface) on a headless server.
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08:20<wannabe-mirror>sep: well... vbox is not in buster, and some of you dislike it heavily. if i decide to upgrade to buster, then i sort of have to accept kvm.
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08:24<sep>just becouse I dislike it, and KVM is superior in every possible way. Does not mean you have to agree :) and I assume oracle will eventualy provide a buster package.
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08:28<whislock>They already do.
08:28<whislock>https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
08:28<whislock>First download link.
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08:29<wannabe-mirror>oracle does, but debian does not. installing software from different sources can have undesirable results
08:30<whislock>I am aware.
08:30<whislock>But if you want vbox, that's the current solution, like it or not.
08:30<whislock>Something about beggars and choosers.
08:30<wannabe-mirror>sep has a point. virtualbox is rarely used in production, and i need virtual machines on my server. this would be a good time to learn kvm properly
08:31<whislock>Then there you go. KVM _is_ quite better.
08:32<sep>wannabe-mirror, proxmox is awesome for headless servers. for a desktop you use some vm's on you might want virt-manager instead
08:32<wannabe-mirror>sep: what about virsh?
08:32<GyrosGeier>libvirt knows how to set up a bridge
08:33<GyrosGeier>virsh is libvirt
08:33<sep>virt-manager and virsh is frontend to libvirt.
08:33<GyrosGeier>the version in buster is a bit more wobbly because they tried to map everything onto systemd services
08:33<sep>coexsists and works together. virsh is the cli part, virt-manager is the desktop gui
08:35<GyrosGeier>which is a bit of a difficult mapping, because dependencies in libvirt are a bit more complex than ordinary services, which is why libvirt has its own daemon to coordinate startup of VMs in the first place
08:35<wannabe-mirror>but promox you say? i will take a look into that
08:35<GyrosGeier>I can still recommend libvirt if you don't have a too-complex setup
08:36<sep>the main bad thing about proxmox is that is not a libvirt frontend :)
08:37<whislock>It's also, ah... eh.
08:37<whislock>I find proxmox to be... of middling quality. But that's just me.
08:37<GyrosGeier>heh
08:38<whislock>Proxmox, I mean.
08:38<GyrosGeier>writing a non-systemd replacement for libvirt is on my Todo list
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08:39<sep>well i use both libvirt(virsh /virt-manager) and proxmox and have no huge issues with either.
08:39<GyrosGeier>but probably won't happen before stretch support nears its end
08:39<sep>the thing that messed me up the most on prox was that i had a switch that did unspeakable things to multicast. but with unicast corosync it's been rock solid.
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08:47<wannabe-mirror>kvm would appear to lack an indicator for network activity?
08:47<GyrosGeier>how would that work
08:47<wannabe-mirror>(well, not kvm per se but rather virt-manager)
08:49<GyrosGeier>you could use collectd or snmpd and just write down the port statistics on the bridge in regular intervals if you want to do accounting
08:49<GyrosGeier>blinky icons are pointless, by default the bridge has STP enabled so there is a broadcast every two seconds
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08:58<wannabe-mirror>and then its possible to easily export, clone and import kvm machines like the ones in virtualbox?
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09:03<wannabe-mirror>from one thing to another, lighttpd does not seem to have an index.html file in buster?
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09:56<Konomi>does anyone know how the vast majority of packages on a debian system could end up marked as manually installed?
09:57<tjader>I think on the initial install all installed packages are marked as manually installed
09:58<Konomi>tjader: this system is pretty old I did go from stable to testing with a dist-upgrade at one point is that a possible reason?
09:59<tjader>Probably
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10:01<Konomi>if anyone could let me know how this can happen I'd be greatful
10:01<Konomi>cause cleaning it up is annoying
10:03<GyrosGeier>that happened with an older version of aptitude when the disk ran full while saving extended states
10:03<GyrosGeier>but that was ages ago
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10:04<GyrosGeier>the sanest way to clean this up is to go into aptitude, mark everything as auto-installed ('M' on a header line), then get a preview and alter those packages back that you are sure should be manually installed
10:05<GyrosGeier>as soon as you set some package as manually installed, all its dependencies will no longer be marked for removal
10:06<GyrosGeier>and since removals are pink, you can easily see which packages you still need to look at
10:06<Konomi>GyrosGeier: yeah I'm familar with fixing it it's just irritating it occured
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10:11<somiaj>Konomi: dist-upgrades should not change the status of packages, sounds like something else happened.
10:12<somiaj>YOu said this is an old system, could it be older than the auto flag was added? Have you ever mirroed the system with something like dpkg -get-selections or something like that?
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10:18<Konomi>somiaj: not to my knowledge know
10:18<Konomi>might remain a mystery because I didn't notice it until recently and going from stable to testing is a bit of a big thing
10:19<Konomi>somiaj: would aptitude or apt logs be worth checking?
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10:19<GyrosGeier>also, at some point aptitude would have had to transfer its database to apt, but exactly once
10:20<Konomi>I wish I'd noticed sooner so I knew how it happened
10:20<Konomi>it just bothers me because I don't know
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10:26<jhutchins_wk>GyrosGeier: That's not how it works.
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10:27<somiaj>Konomi: also you said you run testing? Often times when working with testing one runs into issues, and fixes the issues by doing manual isntalls, over a long enough time more and more thigns get marked manual as a result of this.
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10:28<somiaj>Konomi: at this point I would worry less about why it happened and either fix it or reinstall fresh
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10:28<Konomi>somiaj: it seems pretty crazy though I had only 56 packages marked as auto and 2500 ish marked as manual...
10:28<somiaj>Also since you ddi run testing maybe you hit some bug
10:28<Guest3857>china
10:28<Konomi>maybe idk I'll write it off for now and just fix it up
10:29<Konomi>still bothersome thanks for all the help though
10:29<somiaj>Not really, my older systems had the same issue, because they were older than when the auto flag was added, so only new stuff was marked auto.
10:29<Konomi>somiaj: well when I say old I remember doing this in the past on jessie
10:29<Konomi>I then went to buster stable
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10:29<Konomi>and then decided to go to bullseyte testing
10:29<somiaj>by went to buster stable, you went straight from jessie -> buster?
10:29<Konomi>jessie I definitely didn't have all these marked as manual I know that
10:29<Konomi>yeah
10:30<somiaj>Anyways, maybe it is something you are doing that is causing this
10:30<Konomi>dist-upgrade then upgrade is generally what I use
10:30<Konomi>yeah I can't rule out I did something stupid either
10:30<somiaj>debian is not desigened to skip releases, you needed to go through stretch first, maybe something in that upgrade caused you to manually intervene making most thigns manual.
10:31<somiaj>For the most part the auto flag works fine, but just trying to fix something will change the flag, plus if you do lots of develoment (-dev) libaries, one tends to end up having more and more things marked manual.
10:31<Konomi>right
10:31<Konomi>anyway I'm all good for fixing it I'e done it before
10:31<somiaj>But as I said, at this point I wouldn't worry about. Though since you did skip stretch, you could have some underlying issues that are actually important.
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10:31<somiaj>I would do a fresh install of buster, and this way you can install only big meta packages to keep most things auto
10:32<somiaj>(Also note that all packages that get installed with the base install are always manual, and you have 2500 manual and 56 auto, that is a low number of packages, it could be that your system is mostly a base system which is manual
10:32<somiaj>hmm, well maybenot, I guess I only have 1300 packages installed
10:32<somiaj>I was thinking of my old sid system which was closer to 5k
10:33<somiaj>(lots of development packages)
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10:33<Konomi>I switched to using a schroot for dev where possible now
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10:40<simonpatapon>I think i'm doomed
10:40<simonpatapon>This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc.
10:40<simonpatapon>i'm on a OpenVS VPS with no control on kernel
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10:45<jimpop>Ubuntu?
10:45<simonpatapon>debian
10:46<jimpop>debian stable?
10:46<simonpatapon>debianyes thats what i tried i think
10:46<simonpatapon>i oly need an httpd for letsencrypt
10:47<GyrosGeier>I'd check what uname -a tells me
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10:48<GyrosGeier>I'm not sure how glibc's version check works, but this might be something stupid like /sys not being mounted
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10:49<simonpatapon>Linux pinotte 2.6.32-042stab134.3 #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 12:26:01 MSK 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:50<simonpatapon>thx for your time
10:50<jimpop>debian 10 (stable) is libc v2.28, and is the highest version of debian (that i know of) that will run on openvz
10:50<GyrosGeier>2.6.32
10:50<GyrosGeier>whoa
10:50<jimpop>that's OpenVZ's redhat kernel
10:51<jimpop>s/redhat/centos/
10:52<jimpop>simonpatapon: cat /etc/debian_version
10:52<simonpatapon>it what i got from ramnode's vps
10:52<simonpatapon>10.1
10:52<GyrosGeier>https://i.imgflip.com/3c2fft.jpg
10:53<jimpop>double check your apt sources to make sure you are pulling in stable pkgs and not testing,etc.
10:55<thsnr>libc v2.28 requires linux 3.2 or newer
10:55<thsnr>https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#glibc-and-linux
10:57<simonpatapon>https://pastebin.com/bYUcEznW
10:58<thsnr>if ramnode is running a 2.6 kernel then you cannot install debian 10 on that
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10:59<simonpatapon>thx :/
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11:00<simonpatapon>so i change source.list to stretch?
11:00<jimpop>simonpatapon: that won't work, but you can reinstall Debian 9 via the control panel
11:01<jimpop>if you need help with that, ask over in #ramnode
11:01<jimpop>bbl, lunch
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11:12<user2727>hlo
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11:13<simonpatapon>reinstall Oo
11:13<simonpatapon>:(
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11:18<Psychotronics>Hello. I built a Debian 10.1 system. The computer has an audio source connected to its line input jack. While I'm playing a media file on the computer the line input passes through and plays at the same time. When playback on the computer stops, the line input is muted. I've disabled auto-mute in alsamixer but this has no effect on the behavior. I want the computer to pas through line input audio all the time, not just when local
11:18<Psychotronics>s playing.
11:18<Icefoz>Hi all. Is this an appropriate place to ask for help? I have some mysterious graphics issues and I'm not entirely sure where to even start troubleshooting.
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11:31<jhutchins_wk>Psychotronics: You are probably using an app to play media, when that app closes it stops playing the line in. Open the app with no local media and it should work.
11:33<jhutchins_wk>Icefoz: Yes, but we'll need details like your graphics chipset, which release you're on, and what the "issues" actually are.
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11:35<Psychotronics>That doesn't work. Line input is only enabled while media is playing. I've used two different media plaeyers (cmus and mpv) and both exhibit the same behavior.
11:35<Icefoz>jhutchins_wk: Of course, just didn't want to spam. ;-) I have a Ryzen 2400G CPU and I'm trying to get the embedded graphics to work with X11. Console works fine, software-only graphics drivers work fine, but when I use the AMDGPU drivers with hardware accel it works for a few seconds and then corrupts the screen... I get a bunch of bits of the screen broken up in horizontal lines.
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11:37<Icefoz>The weird thing is that it seems to work just fine booting Ubuntu 19.04, so I'm trying to figure out what's different... but it could be drivers, firmware, kernel, X11, or something else. I don't get any obvious errors in my Xorg.log, an the only graphics-error-looking thing I found in my dmesg seems unrelated, so I'm sort of out of ideas.
11:37<jhutchins_wk>Icefoz: Oh, that's interesting. What do you mean by software-only graphics drivers? What is the actual GPU chipset - you can get it's PCI ID by running lspci -nn and looking for the VGA line.
11:38<Brainium>hello
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11:39<jhutchins_wk>Psychotronics: What happens if you pause the local playback?
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11:40<jhutchins_wk>Icefoz: Which Debian release?
11:40<Psychotronics>Interesting. With local playback paused, line input remains open.
11:41<Icefoz>jhutchins_wk: I mean the Mesa Gallium drivers that only provide very bare hardware accel and emulate most of the OpenGL stuff in software, vs the (now open source, yay!) AMD drivers which are able to get a lot more out of the hardware. Sorry, Debian 10.1. The chipset is "08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile
11:41<Icefoz>Series] [1002:15dd] (rev c6)"
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11:45<jhutchins_wk>,pciid 1002:15dd
11:45<judd>[1002:15dd] is 'Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:15dd and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
11:45<jhutchins_wk>Icefoz: Any instance of "firmware" in dmesg?
11:46<Icefoz>...'snd-hda-intel' sounds incorrect. XD Let me check.
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11:49<Icefoz>jhutchins_wk: Several mentions of it loading amdgpu firmware from the `firmware-amd-graphics` package. I can pastebin the whole dmesg if you want. There IS a known driver bug here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107296 that causes a backtrace in dmesg but the symptoms don't sound like what I'm seeing.
11:50<Icefoz>And it appears currently unfixed so doesn't explain why it works in Ubuntu. I suppose I should check and see if Ubuntu has that same backtrace.
11:52<jhutchins_wk>Icefoz: Yeah, possibly check what drivers and versions Ubuntu is using. You could (sort of randomly) try the backports kernel.
11:54<Icefoz>jhutchins_wk: Okay, I'll dig through both to look for version differences. Thank you!
11:56<Icefoz>...hmmm, now I have to figure out how to use backports too.
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12:10<jhutchins_wk>!backports
12:10<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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12:20<thsnr>Icefoz: just to double-check, you are using X and not Wayland (which is the default for GNOME 3 in buster)?
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12:38<Icefoz>thsnr: Correct, I'm using Cinnamon.
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12:49<Icefoz>Okay, for reference it looks like Ubuntu does have slightly newer versions of the kernel and of 'firmware-amd-graphics', and I should be able to get similar-ish versions in 'buster-backports'. I'll try those when I get a chance. Thanks for your help, jhutchins_wk.
12:50<chillysurfer>dumb question, but where do devs store the deb pkgs for others to consume and pull. i know with ubuntu you can create a free ppa and push to that. is there any such thing for debian?
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12:50<bremner>chillysurfer: not really.
12:51<Icefoz>chillysurfer: It's pretty easy to set up a deb repo and I think there's tools for it, it's just a web server. Not aware of any free services for it like PPA though.
12:51<chillysurfer>bremner Icefoz ok cool i'll set my own up! thanks for the help!
12:51<bremner>sure, mini-dak and reprepro are two tools
12:51<bremner>but you might also think about getting your package into debian, if it's widely useful
12:51<Icefoz>chillysurfer: There's some services like Artifactory that are targeted at corporate use though.
12:53<chillysurfer>Icefoz: ah good point!
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14:39<scarodj>Hello! I'm trying to install evolution-ews from buster-backports but I'm getting "Depends: libedataserver-1.2-23 (>= 3.30.5-1.1~) but 3.30.5-1 is to be installed" It seems to me I'm missing the ".1~" after the "3.30.5-1" from buster and buster-backports repositories; I found it in sid but... Should I append sid to my /etc/apt/sources.list file since this is alpha? would I incurr unwanted upgrades from sid? Thanks!
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14:41<sney>scarodj: mixing sid and stable is a good way to break your system.
14:41<sney>,v libedataserver
14:41<judd>No package named 'libedataserver' was found in amd64.
14:41<sney>,v libedataserver-1.2-23
14:42<judd>Package: libedataserver-1.2-23 on amd64 -- buster: 3.30.5-1; buster-backports: 3.30.5-1.1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.30.5-1.1; sid: 3.30.5-1.1
14:43<sney>scarodj: looks like the correct version is in buster-backports. you will need to add '-t buster-backports' to your apt command or else it will not look at backports for dependencies, even though the initial package doesn't exist in stable
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14:43<scarodj>cool! *trying*
14:44<sney>(and if it can't find the dependencies in -backports, it may be a new upload, and in that case try a different mirror or wait for sync)
14:45<Icefoz>It does look like the version number of evolution-ews in `buster-backports` is different from the version number in `bullseye`, any ideas why that would be?
14:45<scarodj>Great! It's installing it.
14:45<Icefoz>Oh, the `~bpo` suffix probably stands for "backport" to distinguish the two.
14:46<sney>Icefoz: yeah exactlyh
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14:46<scarodj>its a bug
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14:46<scarodj>#926712
14:46<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/926712 in evolution-ews (closed, security, patch): «evolution-ews: CVE-2019-3890»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-04-09; last modified: 2019-08-27.
14:47<sney>any suffix with ~ is parsed as less than the full version number, so if someone with stable+backports were to update to testing, the testing package would still upgrade over the backports one even though they are "equal" versions
14:47<scarodj>Wow! judd frightens me.... Hahaha
14:48<Icefoz>sney: Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
14:49<sney>np
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15:01<scarodj>Sry! I got entertained over here. Thanks again guys!
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15:02<sney>np
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15:05<dpkg>hello, ach
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15:10<atsivilev>привет есь кто?
15:11<sarnold>privet atsivilev
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15:13<annadane>i'm sure this has no answer but is there a way to make my computer quieter under debian, every so often it just spams this grinding noise (no it's not a dying hard drive, it's not a loud noise) and i have no idea what causes it
15:13<annadane>not grinding, but like, the busy sound computers make in the hard drive
15:14<atsivilev>sorry for stupid question, but i newbie in the linux and iptables/ebtables/ip/ iproute2 e.t.c.
15:14<Icefoz>annadane: does it do this when running something other than Debian? :3
15:15<annadane>running debian is basically all i use it for... i don't know. but when debian is basically idle it suddenly makes those noises
15:15<Icefoz>annadane: Actually you can use a program like 'iotop' to see what is currently using the hard drive when that happens, there's a few background jobs like 'updatedb' that may do hard-drive-intensive noises.
15:15<atsivilev>can i forward any mac-address from vlan interface eth1.999 to any interface (vlan567,vlan568.vlan569) based on incoming mac-address?
15:15<annadane>yeah, i was thinking cron jobs happening
15:16<Icefoz>A likely candidate.
15:16<Icefoz>I'd start with 'iotop' to see if you can find the culprit and go from there.
15:17<atsivilev>for example^ from int eth1.999 go mac 22-33-44-55-66-77-88. it must go in interface vlan567 based on the rule. Another mac must go throw the interface vlan500.
15:18<annadane>when i started my computer just now i got the noises, now it's quiet... so i assume some startup cron runs
15:18<atsivilev>its must be doing on the mac-based vlan in th switches, but switches have little table of vlan-mac
15:18<atsivilev>please help
15:19<Icefoz>atsivilev: I don't know anything about vlan setup unfortunately.
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15:22<atsivilev>so sorrow( No! yeah. Do you know about mac-based routing? Vlan is up on the virtual interfaces, and vlan567=eth1.999.567. Can you help me with it?
15:22<annadane>i think i just have a noisy drive. i guess my next computer that i buy will be SSD
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15:23<atsivilev>one mac-addr must see one interface, and second mac-addr can be go to onlye second interface. All mac going from eth1.999
15:24<Icefoz>Noisy drive may mean it's starting to fail, keep an eye on it.
15:24<Icefoz>And make backups now. ;-)
15:24<annadane>well, i want an excuse to just replace everything anyway
15:24<atsivilev>Icefoz, i first time in the irc. How i can mark you in the dialog?
15:24<Icefoz>A new SSD is a good excuse for that!
15:24<Icefoz>atsivilev: Like you just did.
15:24<atsivilev>i use xchat
15:25<atsivilev>aah
15:25<atsivilev>ok)
15:25<atsivilev>where are you from?
15:26<Icefoz>Half USA, half Denmark, why?
15:28<atsivilev>simple interest - with who i talk)
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15:28<Icefoz>Fair enough :)
15:29<atsivilev>i from komi Republic. It in Russia. In the North)) Very North.
15:29<atsivilev>termometr show 5 degrees
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15:37<atsivilev>русские есть, или мне по английски надо пездеть тут?
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15:38<annadane>xfce doesn't even start instantly, KDE takes like 30 seconds to boot... yeah i'm getting a new computer lol.
15:41<annadane>with more RAM and more cowbell
15:41<annadane>and an SSD
15:42<jhutchins_wk>!ru
15:42<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:10<annadane>i wonder what jdb2[sda1-8] is in iotop
16:10<annadane>or something like that
16:11<annadane>https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/jbd2-sda1-8-what-exactly-is-this-process-that-keeps-running-every-few-seconds-788810/ never mind
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16:17<annadane>i should take a look at journalctl -f sometime
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16:26<johns>on a sid system, trying to connect to a bluetooth audio device, I made the mistake of using the "block" command in bluetoothctl
16:27<johns>or maybe it was "remove", I'm not sure
16:27<johns>in any event, I can't figure out how to make the device appear in the devices list again
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16:27<johns>unblock does not work; rebooting does not work; other computers can see the device so I know it's there
16:28<johns>just putting in the address with "connect" also does not work, says device not available
16:29<johns>the system was previously connected to this device
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16:39<bremner>johns: try #debian-next for sid support
16:39<bremner>also, hi@
16:39<bremner>err. hi!
16:40<johns>hi bremner, thanks
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18:36<dwfreed>the message aptitude gives when an archive's Release/InRelease file changes in such a way to trigger the apt-secure warning could stand to be improved
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18:37<dwfreed>also apt-get or the apt-secure manpage could stand to indicate that you have to use apt to approve the changes
18:38<annadane>i think there's a #debian-apt channel
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18:38<annadane>might try raising concerns there
18:38<bremner>there's also the bts
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18:40<annadane>BTS would probably get seen by more people and be more "official", yeah
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18:41<bremner>depends if you want to communicate with the actual developers/maintainers or not, I guess.
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18:44<annadane>question (i asked this on reddit but why not, i'll "cross post"), i tend to apt remove foo to get rid of packages rather than apt purge... just to be less destructive unless i'm sure i need to purge something... when bullseye releases is it a good idea to purge those configs before upgrading?
18:45<sney>apt is pretty smart about replacing configs during upgrade. you've probably seen the prompt it gives, "the following config file has been changed by you or yadda yadda"
18:45<sney>but for removed packages where you don't know/care about residual configs, you can aptitude purge '~c' to get all of them
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18:55<annadane>okay i'll leave it then i guess, was just wondering if it was specific policy on dist-upgrades or not
18:57<annadane>stupid question really, why would it be
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19:54<Guest3886>Hi
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20:29<salim>hey mother fukers
20:29<salim>fuk you bro
20:29<salim>k
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20:30<abrotman>That was easy?
20:32<sarnold>do the servs like botsnacks?
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20:40<Psychotronics>Hello. I installed Debian 10.1. I siabled auto-mute in alsamixer. When I installed the dekstop (xorg, xinput, lightdm, icewm) auto-mute turned on again and changing the setting in alsamixer has no effect. How do I disable auto-mute?
20:57<somiaj>Psychotronics: the desktop probably installed pulseaudio, and now you have to configure settings through pulseaudio.
20:57<somiaj>Most desktops have their own tool for this (sound propertiies or something along that lines), there is also pavucontrol as well
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21:05<Psychotronics>only libpulse0 is installed
21:06<somiaj>hmm, then not sure what else could have changed
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21:54<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to have for tests login selector with 4 logins: 1 as administrator with password to login and 3 no privileges and no password to log in
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21:59<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to have for tests login selector with 4 logins: 1 as administrator with password to login and 3 no privileges and no password to log in
21:59<rob_debian>I tried to create normal users without any password, but I couldn't..
22:00<rob_debian>I use Debian 'Buster' 10.1
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22:06<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to have for tests login selector with 4 logins: 1 as administrator with password to login and 3 no privileges and no password to log in
22:07<rob_debian>I tried to create normal users without any password, but I couldn't..
22:08<sarnold>rob_debian: you probably don't need to reask every time you rejoin
22:08<annadane>rob_debian, i'm not too experienced on this myself but until someone else answers, see man adduser
22:08<sarnold>itd be better of course to not quit moments after askiung a question..
22:08<annadane>it likely has options for adding users with no passwords et
22:08<annadane>etc*
22:09<sarnold>rob_debian: also useful: giving some examples of what you're doing, what error messages you get, etc
22:10<annadane>login "selector" is also either the terminal with no graphical environment or your display manager's (say, lightdm) login prompt, so it's not about the selector, it's about having users with the attributes you want
22:10<rob_debian>Hi sarnold, thank you very much for attention :) Sorry, I was forced quit here because of mistakess, It wasn't my intention.
22:11<rob_debian>Hi annadane, thank you for attention :) I will proceed like you've suggested me. Thank you very much for attention !
22:12<annadane>"no privileges" is also a bit ambiguous in your question
22:13<rob_debian>I see sarnold, I used the following procedure: I created a normal user, when 'password' was told, Instead of a password, I typed: password -d <user name>
22:13<rob_debian>But it didn't work
22:14<rob_debian>Sure annadane, you are right. I meant: creating a normal user without password
22:15<rob_debian>yes, correct, annadane, my explanation was bad formulated; I meant having users created with the attributes I want - in this case, without they need to access with password
22:17<rob_debian>I didn't expect logging out through mate interface would quit irc here, sarnold, awfully sorry !
22:17<annadane>what you're really asking is "how do i create users such that they don't require passwords to log in to their accounts"
22:18<annadane>and then do that 3 times
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22:19<rob_debian>yes, annadane, if I'm understanding you correctly, that's it: 3 normal users created without password requirement for them.
22:22<annadane>i think --disabled-password is the way to do it
22:22<annadane>from the man page
22:22<annadane>adduser --disabled-password username
22:22<annadane>or whatever the adduser syntax is
22:25<blast007>"Like --disabled-login, but logins are still possible (for example using SSH RSA keys) but not using password authentication."
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22:40<rob_debian>annadane, I read this passage in adduser man page, but it seems it refers to adding groups not isolated users, or am I wrong ?
22:42<annadane>no, ought to be users...
22:43<rob_debian>Fine ! let me try it here. Surely I typed it after user created with any password, and I will disable it afterwards, correct ?
22:43<annadane>i don't think you need to specify a password
22:44<annadane>just try adduser --disabled-password whatevertheusername is
22:44<annadane>i don't know the syntax exactly
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22:45<annadane>whatevertheusernameis* :P
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22:46<annadane>i mean 'no password' probably means... you... don't need to specify a password
22:47<annadane>y'know?
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22:51<rob_debian>oh, so you are not sure the syntax for this issue is: adduser --disabled-password username ?
22:53<annadane>let me look it up
22:53<annadane>i'm being super lazy
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22:54<annadane>oh, this is apparently more complicated than i thought. sorry about that, my fault
22:55<annadane>--disabled-password is *probably* good enough in any case
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22:56<annadane>you can also apparently use passwd -d to delete a password for a user
22:57<rob_debian>annadane, I used this parameter before during user creation, but it didn't work. I typed passwd -d <username> when System asked for the user password during its creation.
22:58<rob_debian>Oh, annadane don't worry, you have been always helping several times and all Support you've provided me always finished succesfully !
22:58<annadane>well then put in some random password and then passwd -d it later
23:00<annadane>--disabled-password ought to work or just set a password first and then passwd -d username later
23:00<rob_debian>Fine ! And I'll apply that command you suggested me too. And more 'adduser' man page too
23:00<annadane>with passwd -d do make sure you specify the username or you'll delete your root password
23:05<awal1>rob_debian, what are you trying to do exactly?
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23:11<rob_debian>yes, annadane, -d <username>
23:12<rob_debian>Hi awal1 !:) Well, as I was saying to annadane, I'm just trying to create normal users without need of password for them
23:14<rob_debian>I was busy here with other tasks, and now I'll follow annadane explanations here, awal1. I just want normal users created and without need of using password for their logins
23:14<rob_debian>My english is being terrible, sorry.
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