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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-10-05

---Logopened Sat Oct 05 00:00:43 2019
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02:28<unixboy1>hello all
02:28<unixboy1>debian is bigger but freebsd also are bigger
02:28<unixboy1>both
02:29<unixboy1>use both and imac with macos
02:47<bleb>both are bigger?
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03:41<yangjie>hello
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04:30<unixboy1>bleb sorry
04:30<unixboy1>was are smooking
04:30<unixboy1>bleb freebsd are also bigger how debian
04:31<DusXMT>bigger in which regard?
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05:31<linux77>hello guys!
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05:32<xormor>linux77: hello
05:33<linux77>hi great guys
05:33<linux77>is a pleasure tc with you
05:34<linux77>you remember an old thing about use of web, when i started use of internet had one natural ask in irc
05:34<linux77>a/s/l ?
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05:35<linux77>this means age/a/ sex /s/ location /l/ ?
05:35<annadane>!chat
05:35<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
05:35<linux77>you remember it?
05:37<linux77>i am using atable on this box
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05:39<linux77>excuse atable/stable!
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05:41<linux77>please dpkg excuse but xomor opens a dialog box on my desktop i don't known i had talk in channel
05:42<linux77>i think this box is an pvt
05:42<annadane>i invoked dpkg using !chat - dpkg is a bot
05:42<annadane>i mainly posted it because a/s/l isn't a support question
05:43<linux77>excuse annadane
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05:44<linux77>but i think is talking with xomor in pvt on my desktop in a dialog box
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06:17<linux77>i have one question about write zones for bind, if the time of a eletric pulse in wifi is more or less 3 seconds for 5 meters velocity on radio comunication in wifi frequency th time for my dns zone can be based on distance i want offes response?
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06:31<linux77>its working fine on my lab
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06:32<linux77>i back in some moments
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06:45<linux77>my think is an reality
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06:46<linux77>i implement this in my lab bind9 works fine and better
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08:32<greenJim>hi everybody
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08:33<greenJim>after my today's full-upgrade, I cannot open a Gnome session anymore
08:33<greenJim>Debian testing
08:33<greenJim>I am searching the logs but do not find something relevant up to now
08:33<bremner>greenJim: #debian-next for testing support
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08:34<greenJim>bremner: okay
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10:33<Guest4180>hello!
10:33<Guest4180>i need HELP
10:33<bremner>!ask
10:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:35<Guest4180>I am incredibly new to debian/gnu/linux. I I dl some packages and now am having signifigant issues
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10:39<grove>Guest4180: try describing your issues
10:40<Guest4180>well all of a sudden I have a million files i can not access, even as root, i cannot open the synaptic pCKge manager or upgrade
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10:45<xormor>Guest4180: did you download from the regular repositories?
10:45<Guest4180>There are a million txt files under a signature file with all these occurnces of being hacked
10:45<justakk52>hi, i've got problem with signature "EXPKEYSIG CDFB5FA52007B954" , what can i do? please help
10:47<Guest4180>regular repos?
10:47<xormor>Guest4180: so you have been hacked? Where did you download the packages?
10:47<xormor>Guest4180: the regular repositories are in /etc/apt/sources.list and are often of the form deb.debian.org or some such.
10:48<Guest4180>well the initial install was done by a friend whom is a mad genius, but then i fucked around with it and suddenly i am having all these random files come up and mounted opiatric something or others
10:49<Guest4180>xormor is there a way to do private chat? i have screen shots and such which may help you more than me not even knowing wtf i am dealing wiht
10:49<xormor>Guest4180: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
10:50<xormor>Guest4180: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
10:50<xormor>Guest4180: look at the window that says "xormor"
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10:53<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list
10:53<justakk52>guys please help me, hi, i've got problem with signature "EXPKEYSIG CDFB5FA52007B954" , what can i do? please help
10:54<grove>justakk52: Try describing your problem a little more.
10:55<justakk52>i've got wrong signatures when i trying to update metasploit
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10:55<justakk52>how can i update gpg signatures
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11:03<justakk52>кто нибудь по русски говорит?)
11:05<Talkless>Het
11:05<bremner>!ru
11:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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11:13<GRYMNYR>HELLO, I NEED SOME HELP WITH SECURING MY PC
11:15<rudi_s>GRYMNYR: Less caps lock, more details. Securing against what?
11:16<EmleyMoor>Please don't shout. Are you running Debian?
11:16<GRYMNYR>ah sorry!
11:17<GRYMNYR>yes, running debian. I am a newbie. a friend of mine(whom i cant access for ahile) set me up with debian/gnu
11:17<GRYMNYR>i installed some xtra pacakges
11:17<EmleyMoor>Right... So, what's your security concern?
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11:18<EmleyMoor>"xtra" as in from a third party repository?
11:18<GRYMNYR>well, there are packages being installed that i never ran, i cannot update, i was updated to the bullseye version instead of the stable version somehow.
11:19<GRYMNYR>packages installed that i have never installed, opiatric drives shpowing up, i have lost access to several files even when rooy
11:19<GRYMNYR>root
11:19<GRYMNYR>my network and cpu usageis insane
11:19<blast007>what did you do?
11:20<GRYMNYR>i have tried to get back into the synaptic package manager to see if removing them would help, and i literally can not open it
11:20<rudi_s>Sounds like it's time to reinstall ...
11:20<EmleyMoor>But how did you install the "xtra" packages? What were they?
11:20<GRYMNYR>sorry, extra
11:21<GRYMNYR>and through the synaptic package manager
11:21<GRYMNYR>and somehow i have both gnome and mate now?
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11:22<EmleyMoor>How were they extra? Where did they come from?
11:22<GRYMNYR>there is also a random folder in my files titled signatures which holds thousands of text documents with security violateions
11:22<GRYMNYR>i installed them through the synaptic package manager
11:23<blast007>you're just repeating the same stuff without additional information
11:23<GRYMNYR>im just not sure how to answer your question, what did you do?
11:24<blast007>what were you installing?
11:25<EmleyMoor>Did you add some software sources? What were the names of the packages you intentionally installed?
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11:26<GRYMNYR>i dont know exactly WHICH package caused a breach, but I have installed a few packages. geany, idle, winemaker,
11:27<GRYMNYR>upnp router control
11:28<GRYMNYR>i feel like a total idiot
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11:34<somiaj>!bat
11:34<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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11:35<somiaj>GRYMNYR: in order to help we need actual info, please give us the output of 'apt policy', the 'apt upgrade' and 'apt policy package1 package2' for all packages listed that have an error
11:35<somiaj>please use a pastebin
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11:36<GRYMNYR>ok, pastebin?
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11:38<blast007>!paste
11:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
11:40<GRYMNYR>ok
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11:48<GRYMNYR>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/199384f1/
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11:50<somiaj>GRYMNYR: I see the main problem, who ever set up your system used 'testing' in their sources.list, they probably should have given you stable and used the codename instead of the link.
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11:50<towo`>1st don't use testing, if you can't handle it, 2nd, testing does not have a sexurity repo
11:50<GRYMNYR>yea, i dont know why she gave me testing. I AM BRAND NEW
11:51<GRYMNYR>My friend set it up for me
11:51<somiaj>GRYMNYR: you would probably be best to just run buster (the current stable). There really is no easy way to get back to that without a reinstall
11:51<GRYMNYR>i just trusted her
11:51<GRYMNYR>so, how can i do that?
11:51<somiaj>yea, there is a lot of missinformation out tehre about debian and using testing because it has newer software. It also doesn't have security support and contains way more bugs than the stable release which has far more time to review and fix bugs.
11:52<somiaj>you'll proabably have to get an install medium, either netinstall or an installer dvd, and just reinstall
11:52<somiaj>backup any personal data first
11:52<GRYMNYR>yea, i am still learning code and the very basic understanding of everything right now
11:52<blast007>!ig
11:52<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>.
11:52<GRYMNYR>this is my only computer and i do not have a cd rom, it broke
11:52<somiaj>Yea, our advice here for all new users is to use stable, and to learn how to do things 'the debian way' as it is often refered to.
11:52<GRYMNYR>is there a way to boot it from usb and it be safe?
11:53<somiaj>what do you mean boot from usb and it be safe?
11:53<somiaj>The installer can be copied to a usb drive, and you can boot from it and install, the 'and be safe' part I'm not sure about
11:53<GRYMNYR>as in, i would have to DL buster to a USB and then boot it from there...
11:53<GRYMNYR>and that seems like a fucking waste
11:53<GRYMNYR>because wont that be arbitrary?
11:54<somiaj>There are live versions of buster that you can boot from a usb from. They may not have all the current security fixes though.
11:54<somiaj>I would only use a live version if you didn't want to just install buster on your computer.
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11:55<GRYMNYR>dude, CNOTE make up your mind!
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11:56<GRYMNYR>what security fixes do you suggest
11:56<somiaj>I suggest installing buster and keeping it up to date with all the security packages from the security repo.
11:57<GRYMNYR>ok, and with a bugged system like mine, or whatever is happening to my computer, how should i DL and install?
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12:00<somiaj>That is my suggestion. AT this time the only supported fix would be upgrade and run testing, and fix anything along the way, as downgrades are not supported.
12:00<somiaj>For someone who is new, I think it will be way faster to just reinstall and start over.
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12:02<GRYMNYR>understood.. i f i do try and run testing in order to fix, which program or command would serve my purpose?
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12:04<somiaj>I think you will have to know debian much better than you do. You'll have to start by removing the security repo, then you can apt upgrade, and fix any thing that doesn't upgrade by tracking down the problem from the errors apt gives you. YOu will then have to repeate this with apt dist-upgrade, and then once running testing you may find bugs that need fixed along the way.
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12:04<somiaj>There is no set way to do this, each problem you encouter will require analyzing it and determine what fix is needed.
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12:06<GRYMNYR>gotcha
12:06<GRYMNYR>thank yo
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13:50<shocked>how to install nvidia-driver in debian-10 - package errors
13:51<shocked>installed debian 10 with nvidia gtx 1060 and install crashes in x turning off screen, nvidia-driver package not available
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13:52<shocked>install routine works fine but on reboot i get ultra tiny console writing and crash on x
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13:53<blast007>you say the package isn't available, but then say that the install routine works?
13:53<shocked>graphical install of debian 10 works
13:53<shocked>but after reboot i get a black screen :9
13:54<shocked>i added non-free to sources.list and tried to install nvidia-driver package but this doesnt work -> dependency issues
13:55<blast007>!bat
13:55<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:55<shocked>impossible because i have no x on the linux box
13:56<shocked>shouldnt happen on the stable release guys
13:57<shocked>a couple of years ago i still got some sort of x even if the nvidia driver had to be installed manually but now i just get a blue /black screen
13:57<towo`>shocked, you need non-free and contrib in your sources!
13:57<shocked>i installed from the netinstall iso image
13:57<shocked>and contrib?
13:58<shocked>i have non-free
13:58<towo`>what's unclear in you need contrib to?
13:58<shocked>that's not mentioned in the nvidia howto
13:58<shocked>only non-free
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14:01<blast007>shocked: the nvidia debian wiki page says "Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:"
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14:02<blast007>(though it still covers Debian 9, not 10)
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14:05<sqrt{not}>shocked: have you tried to change to a text console, e.g. ctrl-alt-F5 or ctrl-alt-F1 ?
14:05<shocked>doesnt work sqrt
14:05<shocked>no video signal any more once system goes to startx
14:06<shocked>towo and blast007 apt-get install nvidia-driver gives errors that dependencies cant be met because certain dependencies SHOULD NOT be installed for whatever reason
14:08<shocked>in the old days when x crashed you got back to text console
14:08<shocked>but now you get a blank screen and no more video signal
14:08<towo`>shocked, prosa is not helping here!
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14:08<towo`>provide the exact condole output
14:08<towo`>*console
14:09<shocked>how?
14:09<towo`>pastebin it?
14:09<shocked>with no x?
14:09<shocked>:)
14:10<towo`>you are here in the channel
14:10<towo`>how?
14:10<shocked>windows
14:10<shocked>on a different hard disc
14:10<towo`>ever heared that there are console irc clients?
14:11<blast007>!pastebinit
14:11<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
14:11<towo`>and btw, as a clever linux user, you could boot a live version, chroot to your install and provide the needed infos
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14:12<shocked>ok I'll give it a go thx
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14:13<pcercuei>Hi... it looks like the last round of updates on Debian Testing broke something in Gnome (at least for me)
14:13<pcercuei>Gdm3 won't boot, and I can't start gnome-shell manually with startx
14:13<blast007>testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
14:13<pcercuei>oh sorry
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14:17<anarcat>hello
14:18<anarcat>https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting documents how to print from cups to driverless-supported printers, as a client
14:18<anarcat>but say i have a printer connected to desktop over USB and i want to *share* that with driverless mechanisms, how does that work?
14:18<anarcat>in other words, i see that cups supports driverless printing as a client now, but how does it work as a *server*?
14:19<anarcat>particularly, it seems i can't print from a Mac right now - it fails with "Printer does not respond"
14:23<sqrt{not}>anarcat: is the printer configured in CUPS already, can you print to it from the linux system itself ?
14:23<anarcat>yes, i can print from my linux laptop
14:23<anarcat>i haven't tried directly from the server, i assume that works if it works from linux :)
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14:23<anarcat>i have found this https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSIPPEverywhere and this https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSAirPrint
14:24<anarcat>it looks like cups doesn't actually support Airprint as a server, which is strange considering CUPS was written by apple
14:24<anarcat>and ipp everywhere seems to need a different server
14:24<sqrt{not}>have you gone to the cups administration web page ?
14:24<anarcat>er
14:24<anarcat>yes
14:25<anarcat>which page, there's are at least three here :)
14:25<anarcat>(the server, the linux laptop, and the mac os laptop)
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14:25<sqrt{not}>which one is the printer connected to via its usb cable ? that one
14:25<anarcat>the server
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14:25<anarcat>and yes, i have been there
14:26<sqrt{not}>did you enable the option "Share printers connected to this system"
14:26<anarcat>yes
14:26<anarcat>otherwise the laptop wouldn't have been able to print
14:26<anarcat>(the linux laptop)
14:27<sqrt{not}>OK, good. so how is the mac connected to the server, some different network then the linux laptop is ?
14:27<anarcat>(the linux laptop is called angela, the server is called marcos, and the macos laptop has no name that matters)
14:27<anarcat>same network (wifi)
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14:30<sqrt{not}>(patience, i am looking at my own CUPS here)
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14:38<shocked>thx guys, my problem is now solved: adding contrib to sources.list did the job
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14:40<sqrt{not}>anarcat: OK, in the cups administation, if you select "printers" and then select this printer from the list, does it say "shared" in the status line ?
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14:54<shocked>is there anything in linux like night mode on windows where the amount of blue is reduced?
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14:55<gdb>shocked: I don't know about navtive stuff, but the app that "invented" it is available for Linux: https://justgetflux.com/linux.html
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14:58<shocked>thx
14:59<anarcat>sqrt{not}: yes
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15:02<sqrt{not}>I shared my driverless printer in the CUPS administration, and I can print to it from an ipad via the linux cups, if I pause the printer in CUPS, the ipad sees it paused, complains, if i unpause it, the ipad prints OK
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15:06<sqrt{not}>I don't have any mac laptop, only other linux boxes and my wife's ipad
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15:12<linux77>an strange think is ocurring here, when starts a display manager, this shows only usa flag icon to choose an plasma section but i use brazilian portuguese and installed l10n-ptbr, bt on display mannager starts not show brazilian flag as an option for plasma desktop, please help!
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15:15<blast007>shocked: Gnome has a "night light" mode under the Gnome Settings app > Devices > Displays
15:16<blast007>that uses basic time settings and doesn't currently allow for any dimming during the daytime
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15:17<blast007>I'm not using wayland here, so I can also use redshift (which has more advanced settings, though set via a configuration file, not a GUI)
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15:21<sqrt{not}>anarcat: what version of CUPS are you running there ?
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15:26<shocked>blast007 thx
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15:30<sqrt{not}>anarcat: the webpages you cited mention the avahi-utils debian package, which I _do_ have installed here. do you have it also ?
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15:36<lelouch>hi
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15:37<lelouch>hi i not speak inglish
15:37<lelouch>speak spanish?
15:38<sqrt{not}>!es
15:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
15:38<lelouch>ok
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16:57<anarcat>sqrt{not}: avahi-utils is installed, cups from buster (2.2.10)
16:57<anarcat>sqrt{not}: you seem to be assuming the mac doesn't see the printer at all - it does see it, it's just that when it tries to print, it fails
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17:05<sqrt{not}>anarcat: can you give a little more detail about "fails" ? any messages before after ? what do you see at the mac ?
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17:06<anarcat>well, the message is in french on the mac... but it basically says "Printer does not respond" ("L'imprimante ne répond pas")
17:06<anarcat>it tries to queue de print job for a bit, and seems to abort at the end
17:07<anarcat>cups does not see a print job at all
17:07<anarcat>the printer is autodetected on the mac side, but somehow that's not good enough
17:07<anarcat>i suspect it's autodetected "wrong"
17:07<anarcat>i seem to recall i was able to configure a printer correctly once by doing it by hand
17:08<sqrt{not}>do you have the package cups-filters-core-drivers installed on the server ?
17:08<anarcat>yes
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17:10<sqrt{not}>if you select the printer in the server's CUPS admin interface, and click "show completed jobs" does it say anything useful ?
17:11<anarcat>yeah, no jobs from the mac there
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17:13<sqrt{not}>what does server's CUPS say in the "make and model" column for the printer ?
17:16<anarcat>HP LaserJet 1012 hpijs, 3.18.12
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17:23<sqrt{not}>if you start throught the cups Modify Printer menus, about the 3rd screen or so into the dialog, is one with a drop-down box for "Model" --- do you see a choice there for "driverless" and/or "cups/filters" ?
17:24<sqrt{not}>(on the "server")
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17:27<anarcat>hum... but i don't want the server to talk to the printer as driverless
17:28<anarcat>the printer, in fact, is already networked, it's kind of a mess
17:28<anarcat>https://anarc.at/services/print/
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17:28<anarcat>in french as well, but basically, the printer is actually connected over a 910n link through a openwrt router
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17:38<sqrt{not}>OK. it sounds like your mac is trying to print directly to the printer, not trying to send the print job to the server. does the printing on the mac go via the mac's own cups setup, or do you think it goes directly to the localnet bypassing the mac cups ?
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18:50<sqrt{not}>anarcat: I don't know what to think. You started by saying this printer is connected to the "desktop" via "USB". Apparently this not actually the real setup, now it is something over TCP to something else with the USB connection ? I give up
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20:18<ckabo>Hi! I've managed to mess something up. My laptop won't show the log in screen. I can move the mouse, but apart from that it's just black.
20:18<ckabo>syslog extract here https://paste.debian.net/1104839/
20:18<ckabo>it seems that gnome-shell is getting a JS error
20:18<somiaj>ckabo: what version of debian are you running?
20:19<ckabo>which is preventing org.gnome.Shell.desktop from starting
20:19<ckabo>I just did apt dist-upgrade from buster to bullseye
20:19<somiaj>that is what I thought, welcome to testing
20:19<ckabo>thanks :)
20:19<somiaj>anyways, testing questions should be asked in #debian-next (not here), you should learn some best practices like using apt-list bugs
20:20<ckabo>ok sweet, cheers
20:20<somiaj>last, check out bug #941782 -- it has possible fixes
20:20<somiaj>I mean apt-listbugs
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20:24<ckabo>will take a look at apt-listbugs, thanks
20:25<somiaj>apt-listbugs will just help you spot bugs like this before you actually upgrade
20:25<somiaj>looking up the bug I shared will give you tips on how to fix (work around) the issue until it gets fixed by debian
20:25<somiaj>and asking questions in #debian-next if you need help from here on out
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20:26<ckabo>ok, one last question, what would the apt-listbugs command have looked like that would have helped me see this coming?
20:26<somiaj>it runs automatically when you upgrade your system, and any grave bug it finds in packages you are upgrading it tells you about and won't let you continue the upgrade until you see the bug
20:27<ckabo>ah, I see
20:27<somiaj>this is an example of a bug that you cuold have been warned about before upgrading the offending package
20:27<somiaj>and then chosen to not upgrade as a result
20:27<ckabo>that sounds like an awesome feature!
20:27<somiaj>in testing/unstable it is nice, stable not really needed
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21:50<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to know what procedure to adopt if I face: 'chmod 0700 of directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial failed (1: Operation not permitted)
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21:53<rob_debian>What do to when it's not possible opening lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: permission denied)
21:55<rob_debian>Impossible to create access to directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
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21:58<rob_debian>Hi
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22:05<anarcat>sqrt{not}: thanks for trying :)
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22:13<PopeRigby>Hi. I'm getting an "Login failed" error when trying to login my user account. It's a fresh install and I'm using Plasma. I used Unetbootin to setup my USB boot stick.
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22:34<sqrt{not}>!unetbootin
22:34<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
22:34<sqrt{not}>ehhh, too slow
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22:40<sqrt{not}>anarcat: I know it is possible to make the CUPS server present itself as a IPP everywhere destination, and it sounds like you have all the necessary pieces. keep reading, and experimenting, and let us know what works
22:43<simonpatapon>do i absolutely need rpcbind if i use nfs?
22:45<simonpatapon>otherwyse i ll filter 111 from router
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