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03:12<nobody>Does someone of you use an "United States-International keyboard"? Are apostrophe, quotation mark and tilde "dead keys" there? Does typing quotation mark and the letter a produce the german "umlaute" »ä«?
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03:14<jm_>I use compose key for that
03:16<nobody>jm_, what is "compose key"?
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03:17<jm_>nobody: I press right ctrl (compose key), " a to get ä, or say right ctrl, >, > to get » and so on
03:17<radu>hi there
03:17<radu>I need some help pls
03:18<radu>with this error
03:19<radu>Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
03:19<nobody>jm_, thank your.
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03:19<nobody>s/your/you/ =:)
03:20<jm_>nobody: no worries
03:20<jm_>!bat
03:20<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
03:20<demo_>hello
03:20<jm_>radu: ^^^^^^^^^
03:20<demo_>i have some questions
03:20<demo_>im new to linux
03:21<demo_>anyone online_
03:21<demo_>?
03:21<radu>hi jm
03:21<demo_>hello im new to linux and i have questions... can you help me ?
03:21<jm_>!ask
03:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:21<radu>demo , also I'm new
03:22<demo_>so i just downloaded mx on a viritual machine
03:22<demo_>and is it safe for everyday use? ]
03:23<jm_>what is mx?
03:23<demo_>does it come whit any security programs to keep hackers away by defult? and is hexchat any safe or is it a big chanse to get hacked
03:23<demo_>its a distro
03:23<nobody>radu, demo_, you will find you answers here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
03:24<jm_>we only support debian here demo_
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03:32<radu>I use MX-19beta-2.1_x64 patito feo
03:32<jm_>the same goes for you too then radu - we only support debian here
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03:35<radu>jm this OS have base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
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03:37<jm_>radu: even so, we only support pure debian here
03:38<jm_>consult https://mxlinux.org/support/ for help with it
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03:40<radu>thx JM
03:40<nobody>radu, you may also consider joining the MX Linux Forum at https://forum.mxlinux.org/ and ask there.
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03:43<radu_>thx nobody
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04:41<n3ssuno>Hi everyone, I hope to be in the right channel. I have a virtualized Debian PC on VirtualBox. This morning after an update I cannot loging anymore using GNOME login screen. I tryed to change TTY, but CTRL+ALT+F* doesn't work. I already looked on the internet, but none of the solutions that I found works. Someone knows how to solve this issue? Thank you very much in advance for any help!
04:42<annadane>n3ssuno, is the virtualized debian running stable, testing or...?
04:43<n3ssuno>testing
04:43<annadane>i'd ask in #debian-next
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04:45<annadane>it could also just be a problem of some gnome packages not transitioning at the same time
04:46<annadane>testing can take a while to catch up and gnome can be relatively fast moving
04:46<annadane>not catch up but like, half the packages will migrate and others haven't
04:47<n3ssuno>Ok thanks. But maybe it's my fault. This is why I would like to access a terminal to check
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04:48<annadane>i think what people typically do in cases like that is take a live image and chroot into the install but i'm not certain how it works
04:49<n3ssuno>ok thanks
04:51<sep>n3ssuno, you can select the rescue boot on the grub startup meny
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04:54<annadane>yeah, or that.
04:54<annadane>i shouldn't do tech support at 5 am
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04:55<n3ssuno>Long story short, I solved changing at random a setting in VirtualBox (graphic controller = VMSVGA). I'll try to understand better why it solves the issue. Sorry all to have bothered you, and thank you very much again!
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05:03<annadane>n3ssuno, i guess also check a) the changelogs of the packages updated and b) check the debian transition tracker to see if you're caught in a transition
05:03<annadane>that's not very helpful, but anyway
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05:54*learner_outreachy2019[m] uploaded an image: Using docker.PNG (54KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SAjAvSIsPOjQntfREFtUUJRt >
05:55<learner_outreachy2019[m]>I'm Jagan from India, Outreachy applicant
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05:56<learner_outreachy2019[m]>Want to be an Intern in Debian by contributing "Packaging Gitlab's JS Modules" project
05:57<Guest4877>hi, i can't seem to find anything about this online at the moment but on a fresh install of debian 10 Gnome, everything is slow. I would say that it's the mouse that lags but once i'm able to login the application menu also lags. It's better when i switch to x.org but after a reboot it's the same thing over again
05:57<Guest4877>anyone has an article somewhere on that?
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06:07<annadane>learner_outreachy2019[m], hi! i'm not really a GSOC expert but have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2019, otherwise if you wait here for a bit someone more knowledgeable may be able to direct you
06:08<annadane>oh, i guess it's not GSOC
06:08<annadane>hmm
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06:08<user_>hello?
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06:09<annadane>hi user_
06:09<user_>hello
06:09<user_>so what is this?
06:09<annadane>learner_outreachy2019[m], there's a #debian-outreach channel, may want to try that
06:09<user_>im new to linux
06:09<annadane>user_, this is a channel for debian support
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06:12<user_>hello
06:12<user_>so
06:12<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane: Thank you
06:12<user_>what is the best distro for new users?
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06:13<annadane>i honestly would say debian. it breaks less than ubuntu does (anecdotally) and you can do simple or advanced things with only a few basic principles to know like wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebia
06:13<annadane>sigh
06:13<annadane>wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
06:13<annadane>stable releases once every 2 years, so it's quite well tested
06:13<user_>what is the best distro for quote on quote gamers
06:14<annadane>i have no idea what that is
06:14<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane: #debian-outreachy doesn't exist 😕
06:14<user_>cuz i whant to change from windows
06:14<annadane>learner_outreachy2019[m], #debian-outreach
06:14<user_>windows is basicly spyware
06:14<annadane>oh, "gamers"
06:14<user_>yeh
06:15<user_>link to download?
06:15<annadane>well... i don't know. i haven't heard any one particular distro is best for gaming
06:15<annadane>link to download what, debian?
06:15<user_>yes
06:15<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane: that too not exist
06:15<user_>what_
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06:15<annadane>learner_outreachy2019[m], it does.
06:15<user_>im completaly new to linux
06:15<user_>and i need help to where to go and all that yadi yada
06:15<annadane> /join #debian-outreach
06:16<annadane>user_, if you're on a desktop and have a working internet connection you probably want https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
06:16<annadane>if your processor is amd64, which most are
06:16<annadane>read the
06:16<annadane>!install guide
06:16<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>.
06:16<user_>do you have discord_
06:17<user_>maby better to talk there idk
06:17<annadane>this channel is fine to chat in
06:17<user_>alright
06:17<user_>cuz im completely new to linux
06:17<user_>and i need guiding in the realm of the penguin XD
06:17*learner_outreachy2019[m] uploaded an image: Exist.PNG (9KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/krXIWZZrMFsYTmayWItcKFeD >
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06:17<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane: ?
06:17<annadane>oh... matrix
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06:18<annadane>#debian-outreach is on the irc.oftc.net server, i'm not sure how you join specific servers on matrix
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06:18<user_>what is matrix??
06:18<user_>is it a os or ?
06:18<annadane>communication protocol
06:18<user_>oh
06:19<user_>cuz i klicked the link
06:19<user_>am i gona get hacked now?? XD
06:19<annadane>...no
06:19<user_>as i said
06:19<user_>im new to all this yadi yada
06:19<user_>i mean im on a viritual mechene
06:20<user_>my england quite bad aswell
06:20<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane: OK...I try other server
06:20<user_>yes]
06:20<annadane>i think on matrix it should already tell you you're on OFTC but i haven't used it in a while and i'm not sure what client you're using
06:21<annadane>on riot.im you could see individual servers i think
06:21<annadane>anyway, i'm going to bed
06:21<annadane>i'm sure others can help both of you
06:22<learner_outreachy2019[m]>annadane Have a good sleep
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06:24<annadane>sorry i don't have better answers for you, we occasionally get google summer of code or outreachy project requests and i'm searching the internet but not finding specific things
06:25<learner_outreachy2019[m]>It's okay...take it easy
06:25<learner_outreachy2019[m]>Now go back to sleep
06:28<user_>hello
06:28<user_>im back
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06:33<annadane>i guess there's also https://bits.debian.org/tag/outreachy.html
06:34<annadane>and the main website is https://www.outreachy.org/
06:34<annadane>i was looking for something more debian focused/specific but that has some info
06:34<annadane>and now, to sleep
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06:39<annadane>the chatroom description has: Debian Outreach team - https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Outreach | Outreachy: https://wiki.debian.org/Outreachy | Google Summer of Code: https://wiki.debian.org/GSoC
06:39<annadane>and NOW, to sleep!
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07:59<topro>hi there, just realized that installing latest stretch-backports kernel 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae obviously removes dependency on irqbalance as apt autoremove would like to remove it. is this on purpose or possibly wrong?
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08:03<sakax>topro: yes, fine to remove
08:03<topro>no longer needed?
08:05<sakax>why is not fully clear, too technical materia :) but the kernel itself is now taking care of it => https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926967
08:05<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/926967 in src:linux (closed): «Don't recommend irqbalance (was: Re: Handling irqbalance in virtual environments)»; severity: serious; opened: 2019-04-12; last modified: 2019-08-06.
08:06<topro>sakax, judd: thanks, will have a look at #926967
08:06<sakax>you are running oldstable on a server or desktop/laptop?
08:06<topro>oh wow, severity 'serious' *hmm*
08:07<topro>I'm running oldstable (stretch) on lots of machnes, this one is a server
08:07<sakax>try to upgrade to buster :) its worth the time effort
08:08<topro>sakas: its on the roadmap. what exactly is worth it or just overall improvements?
08:09<bremner>the clock is running on security support for stretch, if nothing else
08:09<topro>I know...
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08:09<bremner>there's LTS, but that has it's own hassles
08:09<sakax>software is of course more up to date, but overall buster has a more smooth feeling, it is like more polished as stretch
08:10<sakax>compared to stretch*
08:10<topro>ok, so nothing paticular
08:11<sakax>yes there are big changes :) wayland, apparmor etc....
08:12<bremner>hopefully wayland doesn't matter on servers
08:12<thsnr>topro: it depends on what is important for you. see https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html
08:14<topro>well, apparmor comes with backports kernels, i have it. but on the "whats new" there are some interresting topics in-deed
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08:42<demo>hello
08:42<demo>does anyone know if debian is stable?
08:43<grawity>it won't explode when shaken, if that's what you mean
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08:44<demo>LMAO
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08:46<demo>so do you recommend debian_
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08:46<grawity>generally, yes
08:46<demo>whats some pros and cons?
08:48<bremner>pros: it won't break every week. cons: it's harder to run the latest games, browser, etc...
08:48<demo>oh ok
08:48<demo>so for the normal desctop user and programmer
08:48<demo>debian is a good distro?
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08:48<bremner>sure.
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08:49<demo>so you recomend?
08:49<supaman>does mariabackup back up myisam tables also (most documentations just talk about innodb)?
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08:55<demo>ok
08:55<demo>how do i download debian
08:55<demo>i have tried for a while
08:56<demo>but i cant get it to work
08:56<dvs>???
08:56<demo>yeh i cant get debian installed on my computer
08:56<demo>its wierd
08:58<dvs>demo, the only tricky part is if you need WiFi during the installation.
08:59<avu>demo: what exactly "doesn't work"?
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09:01<sqrt{not}>!install guide
09:01<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>.
09:01<sqrt{not}>demo: maybe this guide will help with your problem ^^^^^^^^
09:02<sakax>demo: use the nonfree installer and your wireless adapter will be recognized
09:02<sakax>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
09:03<grove>!tell demo about doesn't work
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10:39<prom>!list
10:39<dpkg>prom: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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11:22<GoGi> what kind of bugs can be fixed in debian stable? not only security I suppose?
11:23<GoGi>I have found an issue in libguestfs and am currently trying to get a patch upstream
11:23<GoGi>but then what happens?
11:23<GoGi>do I have to file a bug in debian as well?
11:23<bremner>GoGi: is there a bug in the debian BTS?
11:23<bremner>yes
11:23<somiaj>GoGi: point releases see some bugs fixed, but they have to be targeted and are often only rc level bugs.
11:23<GoGi>I think writing a targeted patch is no problem
11:24<GoGi>not sure if it is rc level though
11:24<somiaj>GoGi: If you are filing a bug upstream, I would do that first, then file one with debian providing or pointing at upstream patch/fix/bug
11:24<GoGi>ok thanks
11:25<somiaj>but depending on the bug, stable won't see a fix. I'm not quite sure what warrents a bug fix during a point release.
11:25<somiaj>But some bugs do get fixed.
11:25<GoGi>is there an official policy?
11:26<somiaj>I am unsure of any
11:26<GoGi>okay and assuming in the worst case that stable does not get the fix, but I need it
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11:26<somiaj>GoGi: you can roll your own package
11:26<somiaj>!package recompile
11:26<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
11:26<bremner>or backport the updated one
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11:26<somiaj>GoGi: provided it is a simple targeted patch, it is simple enough to add the patch to the debian package via quilt then rebuild
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11:27<bremner>the package needs to be updated in testing first, but that's a prereq for fixing in stable anyway
11:27<bremner>(usually)
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11:28<GoGi>!package rules
11:29<GoGi>!debian/rules
11:29<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
11:29<somiaj>GoGi: /msg dpkg debian/rules
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11:40<un214>Anything I can do about bug #936013 ? ; graphics drivers load in initrd but console-setup doesn't and root is encrypted
11:40<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/936013 in console-setup (open, l10n): «console-setup doesn't apply until after root is mounted even when encrypted root is used»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-08-29; last modified: 2019-08-29.
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12:51<free2>hello. when i power on there is no delay before the login on tty1, but on every other tty there is a delay of a few seconds before the login page is shown, and when i ctrl-c while typing the password there is the login again. could someone point me to where find the log where it is shown what is delaying the display of the login page? thank you
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13:29<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to install many DE manually in Debian buster 10.1. Which of the DE available for Debian contain 'blur' effect ? I know KDE Plasma 5 default has 'blur'. But what about the others, such as MATE, Cinnamon and Gnome ?
13:31<free2>Hi. Maybe it is Cinnamon but i am not sure, i didn't use Cinnamon for some time
13:31<rob_debian>is that possible in xfce, lxde also ?
13:31<free2>but it seems like the best candidate of those
13:31<free2>i am not sure
13:31<free2>maybe with compiz
13:32<rob_debian>Hi free2, thanks for answering me !
13:32<rob_debian>compiz ?
13:32<free2>no problem :)
13:32<free2>yes you should install Compiz and experiment with it, combining it with various DEs. It is a compositing manager with lots of options and effects
13:32<free2>Worth checking out
13:33<free2>So it could enable blur and other effects in xfce and lxde
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13:41<rob_debian>Please, free2, so just to confirm me: is that possible to have blur in these DEs ? Just activating it on them ?
13:41<rob_debian>busy here, sorry
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13:46<free2>sorry
13:46<free2>probably with compiz
13:47<free2>let me research more
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14:08<GoGi>I am using some backup software that does not suppord hardlinks to symlinks. They say it does not matter since symlinks cannot be written to after they have been created. So they store a symlink with two hardlinks as two symlinks instead.
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14:09<GoGi>I am trying to understand exactly what the implications are. Does this mean that a filesystem could implement creating a hardlink to an existing symlink as copying the symlink instead and still be compliant to everything that is expected?
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14:15<rob_debian>back here free2, thank you very much for your attention and Great Support !:)
14:15<free2>no problem :)
14:15<rob_debian>Debian Warriors are invencible !!
14:15<free2>you should really try compiz
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14:19<free2>i am glad if i can help :) do you plan on trying all of these DEs? If you go with LXDE or XFCE using Compiz can get you effects those two DEs don't normally have so it's worth combining them
14:22<rob_debian>Thank you very much free :) Well, should I use compiz to get similar results that I can have using 'blur' ?
14:23<blast007>rob_debian: compiz likely will not work with wayland, so keep that in mind
14:23<free2>Well compiz has lots of effects, blur included
14:23<rob_debian>yes, free2, I plan testing mate, gnome, xfce, and lxde.
14:24<rob_debian>is that possible using compiz in mate also ?
14:24<free2>Probably, but you have to try Compiz with Mate to see
14:24<rob_debian>or, better asking: is that included in mate ?
14:24<free2>probably not in Mate itself
14:24<free2>but with Compiz it is possible
14:25<free2>but it has different compatibility with different DEs so you have to try to see
14:25<blast007>there is a compiz-mate package for integrating compiz with MATE
14:25<rob_debian>ok, free2, in this case I need to compile it or installing it as a separate package using dpkg -i ?
14:26<rob_debian>Hi blast007, nice to meet you again !:)
14:26<free2>you can just install it with dpkg no need to compile it
14:26<rob_debian>Oh, I see blast007, I can discard wayland.
14:26<rob_debian>Fine !
14:28<rob_debian>ok blast007 so, I just have to install compiz-mate through 'apt install' ?
14:28<rob_debian>it's available in debian stable repository, I suppose....
14:28<rob_debian>let me try it now
14:29<rob_debian>Thank you very much, free2 and blast007, for attention and great support ! Let me check it now
14:30<free2>no problem :) please notify us how it goes
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14:34<Preston>hi
14:34<free2>hi
14:34<Preston>idk what this pplication is
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14:43<rob_debian>Hey free2, it's working fine ! Now, I'd like to have effects to make the terminal transparent. In this case, let me check it and see if it's possible in konsole....
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14:45<free2>Great! :D
14:45<free2>Ok please let us know how it goes :) wow i was so scared for a moment that i broke ssl! i am upgrading to Debian 10 now
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14:48<rob_debian>Oh, hope you can fix it as fast as possible :( Well, compiz-mate is working. Now I'd like to make terminal transparent, but I don't know how to proceed yet. Let me see if compiz-mate man page can help me on this, free2
14:51<free2>Well there must be some help documentation when you open Compiz settings
14:51<free2>No it's ok it works since i am here online thankfully :)
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14:52<free2>i don't think the effects are detailed in the man page, you should launch compiz and search for help there
14:53<heintz06>mnnbn hey
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16:11<rob_debian>Thank you very much for Attention and Great Support, free2 !:) Nice to see you here !
16:12<rob_debian>Thank you too,for Attention and Great Support blast007 :)
16:12<rob_debian>See you all !
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16:43<free2>the upgrade went nicely :)
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16:48<free2>hello
16:49<rob_debian>Hi all, please, one doubt here related to Debian running in a network: Let's suppose I need to create a user on the network, but I create on the person's machine he can login, only if he goes to another computer his login does not work, would have to create on the server
16:49<rob_debian> ?
16:49<rob_debian>workstations are debian and the Database Server should be Debian too
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16:51<somiaj>There are various solutions to allowing central user management over multiple machines. LDAP is one.
16:51<somiaj>Unless you configure a central user management system, you'll have to manually add that user to all machines.
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17:04<gig>hey all, i'm helping someone make their own apt repo, and some of the software you can install from it is having some issues installing. the gist of it is that this particular piece of software is a service/daemon, and the `apt install` process is trying to use systemctl to start the service afterwards, which is something it is presumably instructed to do by the package. is there a way to
17:04<gig>inspect this package to see exactly what it's trying to do?
17:04<gig>i realize that may be a bit lengthy and confusing, lmk if you need clarification
17:06<sney>you want to know what scripts the package is running during the install process?
17:06<gig>yeah
17:06<sney>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
17:06<sney>you can unpack the package itself manually and look at the preinst and postinst scripts
17:07<jelly>gig: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst ... if it's already unpacked (= files installed)
17:07<gig>thanks sney and jelly! i'll look into getting the .deb itself and messing with that
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17:11<rob_debian>Fine, somiaj, thank you for information and Great Support !
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17:44<ragnarok>hi, mentors ftp sems to not process uploads, anybody here can verify this?
17:44<somiaj>ragnarok: I would ask in #debian-mentors
17:44<somiaj>or at least point out your problem to them.
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17:46<ragnarok>somiaj, oh sorry.. i think that have on #debian-mentors channel, thanks!
17:46<ragnarok>=)
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19:55<annadane>wth? why does jbd2 take up 15-20% on iotop
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20:00<annadane>sorry, ignore that
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20:35<twb>How do I tell reportbug to talk to bugs.gnu.org instead of bugs.debian.org ? (They are both debbugs instances)
20:35<twb>I'm trying to upstream some feature requests for GNU grep, without having to resort to writing an email by hand live a savage
20:42<sqrt{not}>twb: reportbug has command-line options --output=somefilename or maybe --bts=some.other.server //// see man reportbug
20:42<twb>I tried --bts=gnu and --bts=https://bugs.gnu.org/ and both times it said invalid, ignoring
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20:44<sqrt{not}>I would guess bugs.gnu.org is an email target, not a web server in this context. try: --bts=bugs.gnu.org
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20:45<sqrt{not}>if that doesn't want to work, just use the --output=filename, and use the file as the guts of an email.
20:45<twb>yeah fair
20:46<twb>part of the reason I use reportbug is it has helper stuff to check existing bug reports &c
20:46<sqrt{not}>yah, good point. does --bts=bugs.gnu.org work, or also not quite right ?
20:46<twb>reportbug --bts=bugs.gnu.org grep didn't work either
20:47<twb>I think --bts looks it up in a key/value table in reportbug somewhere...
20:47<twb>hrm it's a python library nowadays...
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20:48<twb>I have definitely made this work before...
20:49<sqrt{not}>hmmm, I see that the man page also says: reportbug should probably be compatible with other bug tracking systems, like bugzilla (used by the GNOME and Mozilla projects) and jitterbug (used by Samba, AbiSource and FreeCiv) but it isn't.
20:50<twb>Maybe I only used bts against bugs.gnu.org
20:50<twb>bts(1) and querybts(1) I mean
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20:51<twb>Maybe I should ask #gnu instead :-)
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20:55<twb>"bts --bts-server=https://bugs.gnu.org/ show grep" works, at least.
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22:00<annadane>concerning services autostarting upon package installation - it can't eat up a lot of memory, right? most services should be really negligably lightweight? it wouldn't slow down a system a great deal?
22:00<twb>annadane: policy-rc.d
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22:01<annadane>that's not what i'm asking, though
22:01<twb>I don't understand the question, then
22:01<twb>"a lot" depends on what the service does, and how much RAM you have
22:02<twb>e.g. a firefox daemon service auto-starting on a system with 256MB RAM will not be fun
22:02<annadane>yeah, guess it does depend
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