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---Logopened Sat Nov 09 00:00:33 2019
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01:32<Dashboard>!help
01:32<annadane>hi Dashboard
01:32<annadane>have a question?
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01:33<annadane>well okay then.
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04:20<ydbi>Does debian stable only receive security bugfixes and not any other bugfixes (e.g. crashfixes)?
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04:25<samsung>hello all
04:25<samsung>i want help with sort text
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04:30<rudi_s>ydbi: Depends, there are stable updates and they can fix bugs if the maintainer uploads updated versions.
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04:35<ydbi>I don't care for new features in software, but I care about security fixes and other bugfixes
04:36<ydbi>would debian stable be for me then?
04:37<rudi_s>ydbi: In theory yes, but to be honest the security and bugfix support in Debian is not perfect.
04:37<ydbi>I don't want to be told to have to wait a year to get a bugfix for e.g. wrong value of freezing temperature of water in some software
04:37<ydbi>strictly speaking that is not a security bug nor a crash bug
04:37<rudi_s>ydbi: Then Debian might not work for you. Bugs often don't get fixed because the maintainers are not motivated/have not enough time.
04:38<rudi_s>However, there aren't much alternatives which provide a stable, more or less, well tested system.
04:38<ydbi>I fully recognize that all software sucks
04:38<rudi_s>Same for security updates, they often take a long time or are not fixed at all.
04:38<ydbi>that sounds strange
04:39<ydbi>that is the tagline of debian stable
04:39<ydbi>fixing security issues
04:39<rudi_s>ydbi: Well, it's not like they don't get fixed at all. But it's not perfect and often takes too long, in my opinion.
04:40<ydbi>I mean I can't afford redhat so I don't have any other options
04:40<rudi_s>But I'm a long time Debian user and run Debian on many systems so it's not like I'm not comfortable with Debian.
04:41<rudi_s>Yeah, there aren't really much alternatives which provide stable releases.
04:41<rudi_s>Just wanted to mention a few possible problems in Debian before you commit.
04:41<rudi_s>Of course, it's easily possible to build custom versions of packages which the fixes you require included.
04:41<rudi_s>s/which/with/
04:42<ydbi>"easily"
04:43<samsung>anyone use parrot
04:44<rudi_s>ydbi: Yeah, it's really quite simple: apt-get source package, vi debian/patches/{foo,series}; dch; dpkg-buildpackage; apt install ./path/to/deb
04:44<rudi_s>It takes a while to get used to, but the Debian package management is really quite nice (even if it has some rough corners).
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04:49<annadane>!parrot
04:49<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:49<annadane>samsung, ^
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05:21<samsung>annadane thanks i use parrot
05:22<samsung>can you guys help me with sort text that matches on file?
05:23<annadane>samsung, the point was we don't support parrot and to ask about it where the bot i invoked (dpkg) says... but to your question... text is fairly universal so someone here may be able to answer it i guess
05:23<annadane>but anything else... please ask parrot support resources
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05:23<samsung>okay i got it
05:24<samsung>annadane i have a text file with 27000 words
05:24<annadane>samsung, use grep
05:25<samsung>so many words the same i want remove them all which match
05:25<annadane>cat /path/to/text/file | grep word
05:25<annadane>well, i don't know how to remove them automatically
05:27<samsung>i use sort but dont know how delete matching words
05:27<annadane>samsung, or open the file in less and type / followed by your string to search for occurrences of the word and press n for next result or N for previous result
05:27<annadane>oh, sort.
05:27<annadane>don't know, then
05:27<samsung>yes words is too much :D
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05:28<samsung>okay thanks not very important :)
05:28<annadane>samsung, what's your shell?
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05:32<samsung>annadane bash
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05:33<annadane>samsung, try asking #bash on freenode, then
05:34<samsung>annadane i try this sort -u test.txt but it deletes only matching text
05:34<samsung>okay
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05:41<samsung>so nobody answer on bash :D
05:41<annadane>i'm in that channel and you didn't ask a question
05:42<annadane>it's #bash on chat.freenode.net, an irc network like OFTC (which we're on now)
05:42<annadane>#bash on OFTC has 14 people, freenode's has 1200
05:42<samsung>oh..understand
05:42<samsung>i go to search freenodes chat :)
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05:55<Guest7437>Hi all, I upgraded to Debian Buster, but now my graphical environment does not start anymore. Any suggestions where to start looking?
05:56<annadane>Guest7437, cat .xsession-errors | nc termbin.com 9999
06:00<Guest7437>can't find that file
06:00<Guest7437>should be in my home right?
06:00<annadane>yep
06:00<Guest7437>yeah. it's not there
06:00<annadane>or .xsession-errors.old?
06:01<annadane>note the period; it's a hidden file
06:01<Guest7437>nothing starting with .x at all
06:01<annadane>okay, then cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
06:03<Guest7437>surprisingly also not there
06:03<Guest7437>could only find /var/log/installer/Xorg.0.log
06:03<annadane>i'll let someone else answer, then. there's paramaters you can pass to the kernel to deal with generic graphical display not starting issues, i just don't know how to solve that class of problems
06:04<Guest7437>alright, thanks for trying to help though :)
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06:04<annadane>you upgraded from debian 9, yeah?
06:04<tefenli>yeap
06:05<tefenli>i want to hacking with my operating system
06:05<Guest7437>yes I did indeed
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06:05<Guest7437>from 9 to 10
06:05<tefenli>but i am not know
06:05<tefenli>:(
06:06<tefenli>can you help me ?
06:06<annadane>tefenli, don't understand your question. are you using kali or parrot by any chance?
06:07<tefenli>ok , i want to do hack the password , can you help me?
06:07<annadane>this channel is for debian support questions, not how to help people hack other computers
06:08<tefenli>hahahahah okay, excuse me !
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07:33<Guest7437>let's give this another shot: Hi all, I upgraded to Debian Buster, but now my graphical environment does not start anymore. Any suggestions where to start looking?
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07:34<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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07:34*cousin_luigi is dist-upgrading from oldstable, anything he should do about iptables? Does it require conversion or something?
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08:30<rhotav>Hello
08:30<rhotav>TEST
08:31<rhotav>a
08:31<rhotav>a
08:31<rhotav>aaa
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08:32<blast007>flood bot test successful
08:33<annadane>i'm just going to stop replying to 'hi' forever
08:33<annadane>if they have a question then fine
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08:37<dboles>just dump !ask. better they know that "hi" is useless than somehow conclude no one is in the channel
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08:38<annadane>yeah good point. just don't want to do it for every hi though, gets spammy
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08:46<localhorst>But there's a neverending stream of people not knowing that convention so you need to tell them. Feeding people withe a "hi" and waiting for a response is pretty normal in real life.
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08:46<localhorst>Isn't it possible to let the bot send a PRIVMSG to them so it doesn't get spammy?
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09:11<bremner>dpkg: tell localhorst about ask
09:11<bremner>like that?
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09:27<localhorst>yeah
09:27<localhorst>works like charm
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10:03<Gueeros>Hi guys! I'm Josep from Mallorca. I found an abnormal situation on debian buster installation with DVD, installing debian with lxde desktop: If I install debian with internet connection, the torrent client installed is Deluge. But, if I do the same installation without internet conenction, the torrent client installed is Transmission. Any comments or explanations about it? It's not a trouble but too curious...
10:03<Gueeros>it's i386
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10:08<thor-guest>thats strange
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10:09<annadane>Gueeros, i might try asking #debian-boot
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10:13<sakax>thor-guest Gueeros: I doubt the default installer is installing a torrent client, no?
10:14<annadane>the default wouldn't but an lxde specific image might?
10:14<Gueeros>It's installed by the installer when the tasksel option 'standard system utilities' is selected
10:15<thor-guest>that could be
10:16<Gueeros>it's not any specific image, it's the official stable DVD 1 i386
10:17<thor-guest>there is no such task: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
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10:19<Gueeros>the option is 'debian desktop environment'. Sorry, I had translated directly from spanish.
10:19<annadane>which would be task-lxde-desktop but there's no torrent clients in its depends/recommends
10:20<annadane>the dvd would make sense
10:20<annadane>but in the netinst there shouldn't be any?
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10:23<giulianob>Hi, I am having issues with a secondary screen after migrating to wayland. Before that, I had to add a Modeline to xorg.conf for it to work correctly, but now I can't get it to work even after an EDID override. Is there something that I should do?
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12:17<jhutchins>Sounds like the adapter is not correctly passing the monitor specifications to the DVI port.
12:18<jhutchins>Perhaps wayland is not quite ready to adapt to older hardware.
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13:07<grummund>Is it possible to "apt install wine32:i386" without first having "dpkg --add-architecture i386" ?
13:08*grummund guesses not, actually.
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13:13<annadane>only if you chroot into your debootstrap and cross-compile the python library into the aether
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13:35<shruthibhaasini>Hi
13:35<shruthibhaasini>disconnect
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13:57<anonymus>Hey There!
13:58<anonymus>I am new to linux.. Any suggestions??
13:59<jhutchins>!handbook
13:59<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf
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14:03<anonymus>Hey
14:03<anonymus>Can you guys suggest me where to start? I am very new to Linux..
14:05<sqrt{not}>!newcomer
14:05<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
14:05<annadane>the year is 2500, debian 175 is out and the handbook still says debian 8
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14:07<tangxd>the official wiki
14:08<towo`>and in th wrong channel with parrot
14:12<anonymus>Is parrot good?
14:13<sney>it's probably fine but it's offtopic in #debian
14:13<sney>!parrot
14:13<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:13<sney>please go to the correct channel for your distro.
14:16<anonymus>Sney are you Human?
14:16<sney>yes
14:16<annadane>!whynotpentesting
14:16<dpkg>For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me
14:18<anonymus>Sney, I am new to linux.. I don't know where to start and how to dive into it.. As you are using it.. Can you please suggest me how should I learn?
14:18<sney>humorous, but Parrot actually bills themselves as being a usable desktop for "privacy aware people" along with the usual pentesting stuff, and their docs seem to be pretty good. they just fail to edit the *very simple* patch that comes with hexchat and point their new users to the right irc channel, so we have to deal with them
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14:19<sney>anonymus: if you want help in this irc channel, you need to be running debian. you can get debian from www.debian.org.
14:21<anonymus>I am running Parrot as my OS, But don't know anything about it, not even the basic terminal codes.. I want to learn it and hence asking for help!
14:22<sney>yes, and we don't support parrot in here.
14:22<anonymus>Then??
14:22<sney>you need to be running debian as your OS if you want help here.
14:23<anonymus>Isn't parrot Os based on Debian?
14:23<sney>lots of things are based on debian. we do not support any of them.
14:23<anonymus>OK.. My badluck!
14:23<sney>OSes that are based on debian have their own irc channels, so if you want to use something based on debian, you have to get support from them. period.
14:24<anonymus>Well thanks sney, For everything!
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14:25<sney>Updated the dpkg factoid, anyway.
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14:34<tangxd>选择
14:34<tangxd>ubuntu
14:34<sney>!zh
14:34<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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14:42<tangxd>看不懂中文?
14:42<sney>this channel is english only for debian users
14:42<tangxd>can not read Chinese?
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15:06<gurilaz>0x4d4867334e7a63334e7a63795a5459304e6a6b334e6a59344e7a55324d6a59354e6d55334e4459314e7a49795a5463774e6d5932597a63794e6a6b795a5459334e6d59795a5459354e6a513d
15:06<sney>?
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15:08<gurilaz>what is that
15:08<gurilaz>0x4d4867334e7a63334e7a63795a5459304e6a6b334e6a59344e7a55324d6a59354e6d55334e4459314e7a49795a5463774e6d5932597a63794e6a6b795a5459334e6d59795a5459354e6a513d
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15:09<sney>do you have a debian question?
15:09<dboles>you tell us. where did you see it? why do you think #debian might know what meaning this hexadecimal number represents?
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15:11<sney>I'm guessing it's supposed to be an overflow for something and this kid thinks they are "hacking"
15:11<gurilaz>can help me to translete it
15:11<gurilaz>0x4d4867334e7a63334e7a63795a5459304e6a6b334e6a59344e7a55324d6a59354e6d55334e4459314e7a49795a5463774e6d5932597a63794e6a6b795a5459334e6d59795a5459354e6a513d
15:11<sney>stop pasting the same thing again and again, gurilaz
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15:11<gurilaz>okey
15:11<dboles>google 'hexadecimal to decimal' or 'hexadecimal to ascii' or etc.
15:12<dboles>this is off-topic for debian support
15:12<gurilaz>can help me to translete it
15:12<gurilaz>please
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15:13<dboles>no, it's off topic. and you have had suggestions for what you can start searching for, which is a bonus
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15:31<oem>I am a new user using Buster, anyone know where I can go for help with Gnome tracker?
15:31<dboles>the search service?
15:31<oem>yes
15:32<dboles>here, or perhaps #debian-gnome, and just:
15:32<dboles>!ask
15:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:34<oem>I am having a problem with tracker, it has been taking up 50%+ CPU for over a day now making UI unresponsive. if I do a "tracker daemon -f" I getStore:
15:34<oem>09 Nov 2019, 15:25:39: 0% Store - Idle
15:34<oem>Miners:
15:34<oem>09 Nov 2019, 15:25:39: ✓ File System - Idle
15:34<oem>09 Nov 2019, 15:25:39: ✓ Applications - Idle
15:34<oem>09 Nov 2019, 15:25:39: 0% Extractor - Extracting metadata
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15:35<dboles>woops
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16:34<bsld>hello so i create a script set it chmod u+x it executes fine but when i copy it to the usr bin dir it stops executing says permission denied
16:34<dboles>and if you ls it in /usr/bin, does it still have the same permissions?
16:35<bsld>i try set the permission again in usr bin but it still not runs
16:35<dboles>how did you copy it? cp does not preserve permissions or ownership by default
16:35<bsld>yeah i used cp
16:35<dboles>"it still not runs" with the same permission error?
16:36<bsld>permission denied yup
16:37<bsld>sometimes linux is just acting weird
16:37<sney>what is the output of `ls -l` on your script in /usr/bin
16:38<bsld>-rwxr--r-- 1 root root 39 Nov 9 23:19 /usr/bin/winebuild
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16:39<MorpheusB>bsld: are you running as normal user or as root? The permissions are wrong. Should be -rwxr-xr-x
16:40<bsld>normal using sudo
16:40<MorpheusB>or at least -rwxr-xr--
16:40<bsld>to set the permission
16:40<oem>my tracker is hanging up on files with Thai language characters, here is the journal error: Nov 09 16:37:39 debian tracker-extract[22105]: Could not insert metadata for item {...} 75.49: invalid UTF-8 character. If I look at the file in nautilus, I see the file names aren't decoded properly, anyone know how to address this issue?
16:40<oem>*gnome tracker
16:41<MorpheusB>bsld: sudo chmod 755 winebuild
16:41<oem>This is an example of a filename: 03-Ost. พระจันทร์สีรุ้ง - ขอโทษ-บี้.doc
16:42<bsld>ah thanks
16:42<bsld>but is it nessasry to use numbers
16:42<MorpheusB>bsld: you are welcome
16:42<bsld>is there a text variant i mean
16:42<bsld>so it looks good
16:42<MorpheusB>No, but that is how I remember the correct permissions
16:42<MorpheusB>bsld: yes you can use text, but I can't remember
16:43<bsld>nvm but any ideas why it happened on the first place
16:43<bsld>why chmod u+x doesnt work
16:43<gurumpy>bsld: use `chmod a+x` instead of `chmod u+x` (unless you're not on debian, then your question is off-topic)
16:43<MorpheusB>Ancient Unix/Xenix user I be. You copied it as root
16:43<dboles>how did you `cp` ?
16:43<bsld>im on debain how dare you
16:43<dboles>if without preserving owner and permissions, then what you did before doesn't matter
16:46<bsld>im on ntfs
16:46<bsld>maybe thats the issue
16:46<bsld>i mean where i copy from
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16:47<bsld>actually no
16:48<sney>oem: that looks like a pretty specific gnome issue, I think their upstream irc would have a better chance of helping you
16:49<oem>Thanks sney, do you know which server/channel I could try?
16:50<dboles>GimpNet > #nautilus probably
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16:50<sney>https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC there seem to be a lot
16:50<sney>but I'd start with #gnome on that network and see where they send you
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16:53<oem>I noticed that if I open a terminal and do an ls of the folder, the names of these files don't decode properly, and this is independent of gnome, these are files with Thai characters, could it be a larger OS issue in this case?
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16:54<dboles>maybe. how were the files created and their names set?
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16:55<oem>For example I see a little square box with a hex code for each character in the file name as opposed to the Thai character, so it looks like my OS can't decode the Thai characters, not sure about the files they were created years ago but I can see them on Windows properly
16:55<oem>do I have to install something?
16:55<dboles>what kind of device and file system are the files located on?
16:55<sqrt{not}>bsld: chmod u+x *did* work, but the 'u'ser here was root, the owner of the file
16:56<dboles>maybe it used a different encoding or something
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16:56<bsld>sqrt{not}: aha so a+x means all users then right
16:57<sqrt{not}>right
16:57<oem>the files are on my nvme0n1 device, I can see English files fine just not Thai language files.
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16:59<animal>I am currently running strecth w/o systemd. doing a full-upgrade spitted out an error about systemd. so I removed the pinning to systemd and installed it and full-upgrade did its thing. after rebooting i dont get a gui login. no tty7, just up to tty6
16:59<animal>what went wrong?
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17:02<animal>or how can i upgrade to buster without systemd?
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17:04<sney>systemd is pretty much required for buster. you could probably get used to it, turns out it's quite usable.
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17:08<animal>sney ok, i guess will. when i install systemd, the only package that gets installed is systemd. i think there should be a load of packages to install
17:08<animal>also will i have to remove sysv-init?
17:08<gurumpy>oem: if the thai language filename is on a fat32 filesystem, try mount -o utf8
17:08<oem>no its an ext4, I have copied the files over
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17:42<bsld>is there a way to disable an app to delete its temporary files
17:42<bsld>like take its privilages off or something
17:42<bsld>just to create the files
17:48<gurumpy>if the apps tells the operating system to delete a file, you want that is isn't actually deleted?
17:49<bsld>indeed
17:51<gurumpy>look at `man 2 unlink` and `man 2 rename`. you could do something sneaky in libc or the kernel to change unlinks into renames.
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17:58<bsld>i was thinking more something like mounting a write only fs
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18:01<gurumpy>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAMMER_(file_system) ("configurable history retention"). i don't know if linux has a filesystem that doesn't forget (even after rm).
18:04<ryouma>tune2fs has a mention of an undo feature
18:04<ryouma>man
18:04<ryouma> -z undo_file Before overwriting a file system block, write the old contents of the block to an undo file. This undo file
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23:49<karelk>how can I make the rules in /etc/dircolors case sensitive ?
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23:49<karelk>*FOO 00;33
23:49<karelk>the above matches FOO as well as foo
23:49<karelk>how can I match FOO only ?
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