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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-12-01

---Logopened Sun Dec 01 00:00:05 2019
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03:10<qwer2342>any one?
03:15<linux77>qwer234 iam here if i can heplp?
03:19<qwer2342>yeah,i just want make sure it works, first time use irc
03:19<qwer2342>thank you
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04:53<kenny>hello , have debian issue , i can send in this?
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04:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:47<bytor_n_snowdog>Is there a server or channel where I can get KNOPPIX specific tech help? I'm stuck with a situation where my Harddrive installed knoppix has been compromised security-wise... and I would like to reinstall the OS over the existed install. But I don't want to lose my personal Data Files. Can I just use the HD-Install script, as before, assuming it won't overwrite??
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05:48<bytor_n_snowdog>!dpkg bytor
05:48<dpkg>bytor is just this guy you know, and now goes by bytopian (sometimes) and can be reached for comment at and has a weird arse philosophical / free software zealotous web site, ask about <freesoftwarepaper> be there are be round or square.
05:49<bytor_n_snowdog>!dpkg knoppix
05:49<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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06:42<bytor_n_snowdog>Is there a server or channel where I can get KNOPPIX specific tech help? I'm stuck with a situation where my Harddrive installed knoppix has been compromised security-wise... and I would like to reinstall the OS over the existed install. But I don't want to lose my personal Data Files. Can I just use the HD-Install script, as before, assuming it won't overwrite??
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06:43<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
06:43<dboles>that should do it
06:45<bytor_n_snowdog>Freenode's #knoppix is dead. The heading lists version 6.2.1 as having just been released. However version 8.2 is current.
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07:26<dartz>this is collabvm
07:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:12<mxuser>hello im new here
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08:14<mxuser>no one talk?
08:14<@bremner>mxuser: if you have a question about debian, go ahead and ask
08:15<@bremner>IRC doesn't generally have lots of small-talk introductions
08:15<mxuser>yes i have many questions about debeian
08:15<mxuser>thanks for your answer :)
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08:16<mxuser>debian have good security ??? 32bit?
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08:17<@bremner>debian tries to have good security. it does currently support 32bit i386
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08:18<mxuser>debian ru on old machine?
08:19<@bremner>depending how old, and which UI you choose, then yes
08:19<@bremner>some people report Gnome doesn't work so well on older machines
08:19<mxuser>imac 2008 32bit (8.1)
08:20<@bremner>ah. notice I said 32bit i386
08:20<@bremner>is that i386 or powerpc?
08:20<mxuser>its old imac
08:20<grawity>apparently "intel core 2 duo", although I thought debian also runs on powerpc
08:20<@bremner>grawity: not buster
08:21<mxuser>yes dual core 32bit
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08:30<mxuser_>browser for linux
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08:52<mxuser_>guys i need a good browsr for linux ????
08:52<ginab>Is Firefox not good enough?
08:53<mxuser_>no give me trouble and crashes
08:54<mxuser_>and take alot of RAM
08:54<mxuser_>i will test it right now thank you so much sweety :)
08:55<@bremner>there are no good browsers
08:55<@bremner>everything is some compromise between usability, performance, and security support.
08:55<mxuser_>really bad ,its very important to navigate....
08:57<mxuser_>aloo shu elinks look really to old ...
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08:58<@bremner>well, you are looking for something that works on an 11 year old computer. You have to give up something.
08:58<ginab>Does Debian Buster provide podman?
08:58<mxuser_>:) iknow but itry to find the correct one
08:59<@bremner>ginab: I don't think so
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09:01<aloo_shu>dillo, netsurf, qupzilla are all nice low resource graphical browsers to try if you want to get away from the 'premier league'
09:01<mxuser_>aloo-shu thank you so much i will test its one by one :)
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09:04<aloo_shu>prolly all having one or the other caveat, but considering how much smaller the teams behind them are, also all great in their own way
09:07<mxuser_>ok sir i cjeck them all
09:08<dboles>,v podman
09:08<judd>No package named 'podman' was found in amd64.
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09:08<aloo_shu>mxuser_: hope you're not attempting to keep your system very compact, qupzilla will pull qt, for instance - which, on the other hand, other apps may also want
09:09<aloo_shu>,v dillo
09:09<judd>Package: dillo on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.4-2+b1; stretch: 3.0.5-3; buster: 3.0.5-5; bullseye: 3.0.5-6; sid: 3.0.5-6
09:09<aloo_shu>,v netsurf
09:09<judd>Package: netsurf on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 3.6-3.1; sid: 3.6-3.2
09:09<aloo_shu>,v qupzilla
09:09<judd>Package: qupzilla on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.6-2; stretch: 1.8.9~dfsg1-3.1; bullseye: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6; sid: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6
09:09<aloo_shu>,v qupzilla2
09:09<judd>No package named 'qupzilla2' was found in amd64.
09:09<aloo_shu>ok, hadn't been sure debian had them all
09:10<mxuser_>what mean this information???? i need a 32bit browser not 64 bit
09:11<aloo_shu>and 2 missing in buster :(
09:12<aloo_shu>so is stable the least complete suite currently?
09:12<mxuser_>i dont understund you sorry
09:15<aloo_shu>just seems like the bot is showing amd64 pkgs by default, but usually debian has the same packages available for 32 bit and a handful of other architectures
09:15<aloo_shu>for mx you better search mx repos
09:16<aloo_shu>but should be similar, if mx are doing 32 bit at all
09:16<mxuser_>yes im on Mx linux 19 and still dont know how to download new things for it....
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09:18<mxuser_>aloo-shu what you think about vivaldi browser ?
09:19<aloo_shu>try it
09:20<aloo_shu>I don't know it
09:20<mxuser_>because i find a32bit version and get instaled easly
09:20<aloo_shu>personally, I've moved to terminal, and a text only browser, elinks, but it's been a long way
09:21<mxuser_>man its really dificult to use text s browser ,
09:22<mxuser_>i need to do many clicks during will be imposible for me to use it
09:22<mxuser_>also im newer user for linux
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09:23<annadane>i'd only ever use firefox or MAYBE gnu icecat
09:23<annadane>but idk how extension compatible icecat is
09:24<aloo_shu>but normally, you'd be told '#debian does not support mxlinux', and that's not because they're 'competing teams', it's because we cannot know how mx are doing it, and unless mx are saying ;we're 100%
09:24<aloo_shu>'we're 100% compatible w/ debian repos'
09:25<mxuser_>Mx linux is based on debian right?
09:26<aloo_shu>, you should prefer to use what mx is offering, or you can end up in various types of hells quickly
09:27<mxuser_>yes man you are right
09:27<mxuser_>still im not familiarized with it
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09:27<mxuser_>zorin os 12 is more easy to use it
09:27<aloo_shu>and more familarized with debian?
09:27<mxuser_>and very good os for old machines
09:28<mxuser_>i dont know nothjing about debian :)
09:28<mxuser_>its like X for me
09:28<aloo_shu>but same story - each os, their own support communities
09:28<aloo_shu>most are having a channel on freenode
09:29<mxuser_>im very interesting to use debian because i have a spanish classes for debian i donload it from internet
09:29<aloo_shu>and also there, you have #linux
09:31<mxuser_>its the first time i see that mx linux have an integrated chat and i test it so im here....
09:32<mxuser_>you personaly what you use like linux ?
09:32<mxuser_>wich one have very good security?
09:32<aloo_shu>linux distros usually don't work like that, or like windows - it's not that outsiders decide to make a program 'for debian', debian themselves decide when they want to make a program a part of debian, and then they test it, adapt it, maintain it, and guarantee high quality
09:34<aloo_shu>it doesn't mean that spanish class won't work on debian, or a handful of other distros - but it means you may be sent to the makers of the program for help
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09:35<aloo_shu>while debian likes it 'everything from the same house'
09:36<mxuser_>its not spanish class
09:36<mxuser_>its a full class for debian
09:36<mxuser_>they show you how to use it
09:37<mxuser_>many things to learn...
09:37<aloo_shu>that's useful
09:37<mxuser_>for that im interested to learn debian
09:38<mxuser_>but like my pc is very old and suport only 32bit
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09:38<aloo_shu>debian supports 32 bit, fully
09:39<annadane>at least you're on mx and not some garbage like kali/parrot
09:39<mxuser_>i had aproblem when i was in debian pageweb
09:39<mxuser_>i get confuse about wich iso i should download....
09:40<mxuser_>kali and parrot dosent work for me
09:40<aloo_shu>and a course does not *need* to be architecture dependent - but that's what I'm saying, you cannot expect #debian to help you with things that are not made by debian, even if they are about debian
09:40<mxuser_>because of my RAM ddr2
09:40<annadane>don't use kali or parrot. they're made for specific purposes, stay away from them
09:42<mxuser_>but i read that are very secure like OS
09:42<annadane>they're not
09:42<mxuser_>i know they aremade for pentesting.....
09:42<annadane>not on a beginner level
09:42<mxuser_>and what you think about qubes?
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09:43<mxuser_>im very noob to use it iknow but with time iwill get familiarized with them imsure
09:45<aloo_shu>debian is having stable, oldstable, oldoldstable as active stable versions, so there's some room to move backwards for old computers, but it's often not even needed, and buster 32 bit will run fine, if you pick a light desktop (lxde, xfce...), avoid heavy apps (chromium with 50 tabs open), and learn a bit about how linux works
09:45<annadane>qubes is better but the thing is that qubes is just a bunch of containers as far as i'm aware
09:45<mxuser_>you guys you are only users or profesional s linux users?
09:46<aloo_shu>me? enthousiastic dilletant
09:47<mxuser_>nice man youare old user of pc?
09:48<mxuser_>aloo sho can you give me the correct link for those version of debian?
09:48<mxuser_>annadane so qubes its not like they say???
09:48<mxuser_>the most secure os right now?
09:49<annadane>"most" secure depends on your usage habits
09:49<mxuser_>edward snowden......
09:49<annadane>the most secure system won't be very good if you use it improperly
09:49<annadane>it's clear you're a linux novice, i'd just use debian
09:49<annadane>qubes also has higher hardware requirements
09:50<mxuser_>yes i notice it
09:50<annadane>read the docs:
09:50<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: Reference manual: FAQ: - reading is also a very good idea.
09:50<mxuser_>need cpu with some spesific....
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09:54<aloo_shu>the basic security vulnerabitity is using tools you do not understand - so keeping it simple is much more efficient than getting a complex 'security distro' and installing all available 'security software' on it
09:55<annadane>there's a good case to be made for qubes in a lot of ways but it gets its security via isolated containers and so it's... kind of shifting the goalposts a little bit, and may not be as good as a general purpose OS, i don't know
09:56<mxuser_>ok aloo-shu and annadane for your informations
09:57<mxuser_>still waiting for this link aloo-shu
09:57<mxuser_>come on man send it adn dont be lazy linux user
09:58<aloo_shu>mxuser_: are we live on l0de radio, perchance
09:59<annadane>debian has a *lot* of software and a lot of good ways to actually secure your system... though i'm really lazy and don't have any special setups
09:59<annadane>i don't even apparmor my browser
09:59<annadane>which i _probably_ should
10:00<mxuser_>the lazy guy is aloo -shuu not you
10:01<mxuser_>guy iwill use debian but give me the link of the correct iso
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10:01<mxuser_>like that i will not lose time downloading and installing the incorrect version....
10:01<annadane>don't demand answers from people, be patient. do you have internet on the machine you're installing it to?
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10:02<mxuser_>yes but only if i use mac s or windows or linux
10:02<mxuser_>and im pacient
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10:02<annadane>and it's 32 bit, right?
10:02<annadane>!install guide
10:02<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>.
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10:03<annadane>either burn the image to a usb stick or something using cp if on linux, or win32diskimager if on windows
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10:04<mxuser_>during instalation i will need conextion?
10:04<mxuser_>rufus work to creat usb bootable ?
10:05<nvz> mxuser_: no
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10:05<nvz>mxuser_: do not use rufus or unetbootin, use w32diskimager and whether or not you need a connection depends on what media you use and what you want to install
10:06<nvz>mxuser_: all media have enough to at least make the machine bootable except for the mini.iso, you need at minimum a CD1 or DVD1 iso to get a desktop without network we also have images with non-free firmware included which are advised if you want wifi during install
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10:07<mxuser_>bad boy done....
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10:09<nvz>you can also use the live images to install a desktop but I personally don't recommend it, it installs far more extra stuff than the normal installer as its made to provide a live environment that'll work for as many users as possible so you wind up with an install double the size with all sorts of language support packages
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10:12<annadane>though the live image does have calamares now
10:12<nvz>annadane: the buster ones?
10:12<annadane>think so
10:12<nvz>been a couple months since I tried one
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10:15<mxuser_>so guys?
10:16<mxuser_>im here sorry iwas talking to family...
10:17<annadane>what is your question? we're here...
10:18<mxuser_>you send me a link for the correct debian iso
10:18<mxuser_>but iwant to know
10:18<mxuser_>if iwill need the onternet during instalation or not?
10:18<annadane>for the one i sent, yes, but did you read nvz's messages?
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10:19<annadane>if you want one without a connection i can give that to you as well
10:20<mxuser_>if i use this with internet willbe more leger right?
10:20<annadane>the netinst is smaller
10:20<mxuser_>how much MB must bedownloded????
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10:21<mxuser_>then i will take this one
10:21<annadane>426 MB for the iso itself, for what the net installer downloads in terms of packages... no idea
10:21<ginab>mxuser_: Which will be your desktop environment, if any?
10:21<mxuser_>ok thank you so much will be back right now
10:21<mxuser_>i need to go buy...
10:22<ginab>Buy buy.
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10:23<nvz>mxuser_: 376MB
10:23<nvz>erm.. thats not the right one
10:23<annadane>!pal nvz
10:23*dpkg points at nvz and laughs uproariously
10:23<annadane>when you find the right one... 426 MB. =)
10:23<nvz>I apparently had that on my clipboard from yesterday
10:24<annadane>oh, well, okay, the non-free image will be different
10:24<nvz>I was LOOKING at the right link I just pasted the wrong one
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10:27<aloo_shu>if you want really compact linux, look at puppy, or it's continuation, container based EasyOs, *or* 'debian dog', which is a compact distro so close to debian that it is repo compatible - varying degrees of skill required for installing
10:28<@bremner>you can install a pretty minimal version of debian from netinst, but you have to know what else you want to install.
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10:29<aloo_shu>these all aim at appx. 300MB with DE and basic apps included
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10:29<@bremner>that does sounds pretty small.
10:29<nvz>!de usage
10:29<dpkg>de usage is probably The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see
10:30<mxuser_>back badboys :)
10:33<aloo_shu>I'd love to see debian dog doing what they're doing, just with a preseed file, since they're working from unmodified debian pkgs as much as possible already
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10:36<mxuser_>ginab sorry idont see your message befor....
10:37<mxuser_>nvz you will make me confuse.....
10:38<mxuser_>guys did your read me?
10:38<mxuser_>i have problem with wife....
10:39<annadane>do we *read* you? we see your messages...
10:39<mxuser_>nice then
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10:39<mxuser_>somtimes i lose conexion
10:40<mxuser_>so idont know if you read my messages or not...
10:40<ginab>mxuser_: So far you haven't mentioned how much RAM you have and how big your HDD is.
10:40<mxuser_>can i run call of duty 4 (2008) modernwarfar on debian?
10:41<mxuser_>old call of duty..year 2008
10:41<abrotman>mxuser_: Did you check the Wine DB and see what it says?
10:41<mxuser_>ginab i have 2 DDR2
10:42<mxuser_>yes 2 only
10:42<ginab>Well, try IceWM. That's usable.
10:42<mxuser_>abrotman i have wine preinstaled in mx linux ,but idont know how to use it....
10:42<abrotman>mxuser_: you do realize this channel is for Debian support, not MXLinux support?
10:42<mxuser_>iceWM what is it?
10:43<mxuser_>i know
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10:43<abrotman>okay, have a nice day, good luck
10:43<mxuser_>ther is no problem
10:43<mxuser_>you too badboy
10:43<annadane>abrotman, user is asking about installing debian
10:43<mxuser_>thanks gina
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10:44<annadane>wow, those icewm screenshots are nicer than anything i ever managed to make mine look like
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10:45<mxuser_>ginab ice its like wine right?
10:46<annadane>no. wine is a windows compatibility layer for games/applications and icewm is a window manager
10:46<annadane>for call of duty you may be able to use wine. just search for winehq
10:47<annadane>it's also packaged for debian though i tend to use their repositories (though this is a matter of preference)
10:47<mxuser_>ok i will do later
10:48<mxuser_>one question
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10:48<mxuser_>ther is somthing similar to microsoft paint on debian?
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10:52<mxuser_>ok thank you
10:52<mxuser_>its very importante for me...all my work depend on that...
10:52<abrotman>your work depends on MSPaint?
10:53<mxuser_>i use ita alot
10:55<blast007>what do you use paint for? resizing photos?
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10:58<mxuser_>i use paint to paint hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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10:59<dboles>there are plenty painting/drawing programs available for debian, and you will probably find more useful info by searching than by being vague here
10:59<mxuser_>dboles idont ask you so
11:00<mxuser_>you can go fuk yourself bitchy boy
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11:00<dboles>sounds better than listening to you
11:00<thor-guest>where is the op?
11:01<abrotman>mxuser_: you're asking for help here, don't be a jerk
11:02<mxuser_>its not your fuking problem
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11:02<dboles>you're making it 614 people's problem, according to my irc client
11:03<abrotman>mxuser_: Please don't attack people here, that's uncalled for.
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11:07<znoteer>I'm trying to install buster. When I get to the install grub step, I get a fatal error. In the logs I see something about no space left on device for grub-installer, but df tells me there is lots of space everywhere in the filesystem. Where else could I be running out of space?
11:07<ginab>dboles: Well, having read the backlog, it's obvious that you don't care about nonviolent communication either.
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11:09<znoteer>there isn't much on the web that I've been able to fine
11:09<dboles>ginab: I'd love for you to show me where I've been "violent".
11:09<abrotman>or drop it
11:10<dboles>just kidding: I don't think you're being honest, and I don't care.
11:10<abrotman>znoteer: did you look in the debug terminal?
11:11<znoteer>hmm, not aware of a debug terminal. how do I invoke that?
11:11<znoteer>you mean a shell?
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11:11<znoteer>abrotman: ^^^
11:11<abrotman>did you install via gui or the cli?
11:11<abrotman>try like alt-f3? I can't recall which it is now
11:12<gekketinus>how can you update linux mx?
11:12<ginab>dboles: I said "nonviolent communication". And you've obviously never heard of that before.
11:12<znoteer>I usually use the ordinary installer. I tried the graphical installer this time
11:12<towo`>gekketinus, ask the mx people
11:12<abrotman>gekketinus: ask them, we don't support mxlinux here
11:12<towo`>gekketinus, here is #debian, not #mxlinux
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11:13<dboles>ginab: is it fun being such a perfect, patronising person on the internet?
11:14<abrotman>ginab: dboles knock it off please
11:14<ginab>dboles: See, your message provoked a reaction. That's it.
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11:15<dboles>you're a troll, and not a good one either.
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11:21<znoteer>abrotman: alt-f3 and a bunch of other fN combos didn't do anything. I don't see anything obvious if I web search for debian installer debug terminal. Do you just mean a command line?
11:21<znoteer>if so, yeah, I've opened a shell and looked at the logs and the output of df
11:22<abrotman>there used to be a terminal that had the debug out put
11:23<sleblanc>mxuser_, some users here (me) actually use Linux and make money with it
11:23<sleblanc>in the past I have built several appliances based on Linux and got to sell those
11:24<znoteer>Oh, i vaguely remember something like that, but wasn't it just a copy of dmesg or syslog? <- abrotman
11:25<abrotman>I thought it was a bit more .. but you can check those logs as well
11:25<abrotman>znoteer: something should tell you what doesn't have enough space
11:26<znoteer>abrotman: the full error output was "grub-installer: grub-install: warning: vars_set_variable: write() failed: No space left on device"
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11:28<znoteer>just before that was "grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install --force "dummy"" and "grub-installer: grub-install: warning: Cannot set EFI variable Boot0000"
11:28<znoteer>that's all that was in the logs
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11:33<abrotman>znoteer: can you paste the 'df -h' ?
11:33<abrotman>or show us your partitoin setup
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11:44<znoteer>abrotman: Not easily I think. I would have to transcribe by hand the output on the machine being installed to a browser open at on another machine
11:44<znoteer>that would be a lot of meticulous typing
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11:46<znoteer>especially since the machine being installed is in another room
11:49<sleblanc>znoteer, you can framegrab a virtual console
11:49<blast007>znoteer: are you using the automatic partitioning? is there anything special about the hardware?
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11:49<znoteer>I have 3 primary partiions on the hard drive. One is for boot, another for efi, and the third for lvm. within lvm I have 13 partitions
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11:50<znoteer>sleblanc: how, and then how do I send the framegrab?
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11:50<sleblanc>znoteer, hold on, I am trying to find something about it
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11:50<sleblanc>are you using the graphical install?
11:50<znoteer>blast007: no, manual partitioning, I think the hw is pretty standard. It's a used hand-me-down machine
11:50<znoteer>sleblanc: yes
11:51<znoteer>sleblanc: ah yay, there's a screenshot button, but then how do I send it?
11:51<znoteer>ah yah
11:51<sleblanc>znoteer, usb drive
11:52<sleblanc>(aka sneakernet)
11:52<znoteer>sneakernet, heh, forgot about that ...
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12:28<znoteer>abrotman: here is the df -h output from my failed grub-install:
12:30<sqrt{not}>znoteer: I saw one suggestion that to look at this "filesystem", and maybe delete some dump files if too many: /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
12:30<abrotman>taht's before/after the command fails?
12:30<znoteer>abrotman: after
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12:32*abrotman wonders what's after "More"
12:32<znoteer>abrotman: scroll down that imgur page
12:33<abrotman>oh, fancy :)
12:33<abrotman>well, I'm stumped, because everything seems to have plenty of space
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12:34<znoteer>that makes two of u
12:34<abrotman>did you see the note from sqrt{not} ?
12:35<znoteer>I did, but I haven't followed up, yet. I was waiting for your input. I'll go see what's in that dir now
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12:45<sleblanc>znoteer, what is the exact error message? sometimes a "disk full" error is caused by a filesystem being read-only
12:46<sleblanc>i think in some systems if you disable something in the BIOS/UEFI menu, you cannot write to the efivars "partition" and this will not let you finish an install
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12:53<znoteer>abrotman, sqrt{not}, sleblanc: there appear to be no dumps in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars, and here is the error message: That is the same link as before; I just added two new images to the page
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12:55<znoteer>Is it time to abort the install and go looking in BIOS for the said setting?
12:56<sleblanc>znoteer, that's it, you're just missing the secure boot setting stuff
12:56<sleblanc>it's been a while since I've messed with that, so someone else might have to fill you in instead
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12:56<sleblanc>it depends a lot on your motherboard vendor
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13:12<sleblanc>znoteer, any luck?
13:16<sqrt{not}>znoteer: another suggestion I saw was to check if you have CSM Compatibility Support Mode turned on in BIOS, and to try turning it off
13:19<blast007>or flip it to legacy booting
13:20<blast007>it may just have a buggy UEFI implementation
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13:22<abhishekpandit>how are you
13:22<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on or ##chat on
13:22<abhishekpandit>you know how to switch between parrot os to kali linux
13:23<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian:
13:23<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read
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13:26<znoteer>sleblanc, sqrt{not}: the only things in BIOS related to security are various passwords (boot, access bios, etc) and under boot, the only thing related to UEFI booting is to enable of disable it. There is nothing about write permissions or compatibility mode
13:27<znoteer>that I can find
13:28<znoteer>blast007: a buggy implementation is not impossible
13:29<sleblanc>znoteer, what's model/make of your motherboard?
13:30*znoteer goes to check...
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13:31<sleblanc>znoteer, have you ever installed a linux distribution previously on that machine?
13:31<sleblanc>znoteer, also, typically, if you disable UEFI, it will turn on "legacy boot" or equivalent
13:32<sleblanc>I find UEFI (when not buggy) offers some advantages and no drawbacks, so if you can leave it enabled, it's for the better
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14:09<znoteer>sleblanc: it's an Intel mobo, d2500hn
14:10<znoteer>No, this machine was given to me. Never installed Linux to it. I've never done a uefi install before either
14:10<znoteer>I may just go with legacy mode to get this thing installed
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14:26<sleblanc>znoteer, seems like the easiest way
14:26<sleblanc>an intel motherboard should have a decent UEFI implementation however
14:28<sleblanc>znoteer, on some models, disabling "UEFI boot" will reveal an option titled "Legacy Boot", that you should have enabled.
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14:31<znoteer>sleblanc: intel is maybe more likely to have a reasonable implementation than others, but this is a low budget mobo, so they may not have put a lot of effort into the uefi capabilities on it
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14:31<sleblanc>I saw that. Make sure
14:31<sleblanc>that you are booting the disc as EFI from the boot selection menu
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14:32<sleblanc>usually the entry is either prefixed or suffixed with (U)EFI
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14:33<sleblanc>if the installation disc is booted as legacy, it will not be able to install itself on a UEFI-only system. it might be as simple as stopping the boot with f2 or f9 or whatever key combination and choosing the right disc option
14:35<sleblanc>on this board, it's <F10>
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14:46<sleblanc>znoteer, are you sure that your board supports 64-bit altogether? specs from Intel say that while the CPU supports 64-bit, they never released graphics drivers for 64-bit OS and they only support 32-bit Windows systems…
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14:48<znoteer>sleblanc: no, I'm not sure :(
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14:50<znoteer>but, I don't intend on installing X. This will be server, so I don't need graphics support, do I?
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14:51<sleblanc>you would not, then
14:51<blast007>I was going to suggest checking if there was a BIOS update.. but... Intel recently removed all downloads for their boards
14:52<blast007>I have a 343GB archive of their download site, but I'm not seeing anything that mentions d2500hn or d2500
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14:53<sleblanc>znoteer, is this a laptop?
14:54<sleblanc>ignore what I said, it obviously isn't
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14:55<sleblanc>znoteer, so I think your best bet would be to simply disable "Secure Boot" and then enable "Legacy Boot"
14:56<sleblanc>then booting your disc / thumb drive as normal, and select grub-pc-bin as bootloader
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15:59<lito>hola alguien sabe porwue en versin debian 10 un hp15 relatek no recone rj45?
16:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:01<sleblanc>lito, /join #debian-es
16:03<lito>#debia-es hola alguien sabe porwue en versin debian 10 un hp15 relatek no recone rj45?
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16:04<sleblanc>lito, por favor escriba en su chat /join #debian-es
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16:05<sleblanc>lito, la gente aquí espera preguntas en inglés.
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16:06<sleblanc>oh well
16:06<wpa2>hey guys, i cant boot into my debian install w/ grub unless i have acpi disabled in kernel params
16:06<mendel_munkis>wpa2: Do you have an nvidia gpu?
16:06<wpa2>this isnt good bc im on a laptop, and when i closed my screen i literally could not wake my laptop until it died. (tried reclosing lid, held power button, everything)
16:06<wpa2>no, intergrated
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16:07<wpa2>intel 620
16:07<mendel_munkis>how old is the laptop?
16:07<wpa2>intel inspiron i3 7000
16:08<wpa2>ldell *
16:08<mendel_munkis>what kernel are you running?
16:08<wpa2>let me check
16:08<wpa2>its hanging on boot right now i have to give it a minute bc its not letting me shutdown
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16:24<znoteer>sleblanc: legacy boot ftw, 64-bit seems ok
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16:33<wpa2>ok i got a lead
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16:33<wpa2>it keeps hanging on intel-ipss
16:33<wpa2>apparently, it has to do with " Some BIOS erroneously specifies write-combining BAR for intel-lpss-pci > > in MTRR."
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16:33<wpa2>i dont know what to do about that htough
16:33<wpa2>any ideas?
16:34<mendel_munkis>have you tried setting your acpi="linux" or some such?
16:35<wpa2>any ideas?
16:35<wpa2>i dont know why that sent. i meant "in the grub options?"
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16:36<wpa2>okay, ill try that
16:36<wpa2>i just cant even turn the laptop off
16:37<wpa2>this is apparently linked too.
16:37<wpa2>ill try the acpi option first
16:37<mendel_munkis>wpa2: sorry I meant ACPI_osi=
16:38<wpa2>ok will do. i should take off noacpi and noacpic then right
16:38<wpa2>cool will do
16:39<mendel_munkis>you also may want to try [acpi_osi="Windows 2006"]
16:41<mendel_munkis>Basically it tells your bios (if your bios supports it) to use a subset of its capabilities
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16:41<mendel_munkis>it also may just work if you upgrade to the latest kernel. (if you haven't) already.
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16:52<linux77>please anyone known if already have an debian distribution for my smartphone, it's running android , but i try put all my devices running debian!?
16:53<abrotman>linux77: there's a website for running linux on phones, but I don't think it's Debian
16:53<linux77>thank's a lot!
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17:16<talonos>Hello! My Debian is woefully out of date, and I'm trying to upgrade it. The problem is that apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade don't work; they throw 404s, probably because my version is so old that its package managers are no longer supported. Where do I go from here? (I'm running 7.5)
17:17<dpkg>it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at
17:18<mendel_munkis>talonos: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and replacing all occurrences of wheezy with buster.
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17:20<dvs>bad advice. Not recommended skipping releases
17:20*sakax wonders which release talonos currently has installed :)
17:20<sakax>7.5 my bad
17:21<sakax>thought it would be older :)
17:23<talonos>I tried that. Fewer 404s, but still some. apt-get dist-update still says "invalid operation".
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17:24<abrotman>dist-upgrade is the command
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17:25<mendel_munkis>dvs: I would reccomend upgradeing to oldstable but that also skips a release.
17:26<abrotman>don't skip releases
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17:26<talonos>That command is not found when I try to run it.
17:27<talonos>I'm trying to follow 9.1.2 on this page:
17:28<abrotman>which command?
17:29<abrotman>talonos: instead of making us guess, start using to show us
17:29<abrotman>in this case, show us your sources.list and your apt preferences file, and the output of `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade`
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17:34<talonos>Thanks for the suggestion to send pastes. Here's sources.list: Here's output of apt-get update: And output of apt-get dist-upgrade is simply `E: Invalid operation dist-update`
17:35<talonos>Not sure where to find the apt preferences file.
17:36<abrotman>you can keep typing "dist-update" as many times as you want, it's still not the correct command
17:36<wpa2>hey yall im back
17:36<abrotman>please pastebin the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade"
17:36<wpa2>my computer still completely bricks when i close the lid
17:36<bremner>define "bricks".
17:36<wpa2>i cant turn it off, cant un-hibernate/suspend it, i have to wait for it to die
17:37<wpa2>i close lid, and thats it. nomatter what i do it doesent return to normal i cant even turn it off
17:37<talonos>Thanks for the catch. Trying again with dist-upgrade...
17:37<wpa2>my guess its because i have noacpid in my kernel options but the system, but if i dont have noacpid the install wont boot itll just hang
17:37<wpa2>ideas? i tried to apt update/upgrade, i reinstalled acpid and acpi
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17:39<talonos>Results of apt-get dist-upgrade at
17:41<abrotman>dpkg: tell talonos about archive
17:41<abrotman>you want, read the instructdions there
17:43<aloo_shu>wpa2: quick fix I could see, if you boot up normally, go to your settings, power manager/settings/options or however the DE is calling it, and in both 'on AC' and 'on Battery', make sure that 'when lid is closed' is set to 'do nothing'
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17:43<aloo_shu>exact wording may vary
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17:50<wpa2>aloo_shu: yeah, that would be fine for now but i do want my laptop to suspend/sleep when lid closed
17:50<wpa2>since it is a laptop
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17:54<bremner>wpa2: do you have the same problem if you suspend other ways?
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17:57<wpa2>bremner: i havent tried suspending other ways. how could i do trhat?
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17:59<bremner>wpa2: try (as root) "echo mem > /sys/power/state"
17:59<wpa2>ok. my computers hung on boot rn so im waiting for it to die
18:00<wpa2>stuck in suspend*
18:00<mendel_munkis>wpa2: can you pop the battery?
18:00<wpa2>unfortunately no
18:00<wpa2>i wish
18:00<wpa2>this might take a while lol
18:00<mendel_munkis>not that I'm recommending doing so
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18:06<aloo_shu>wpa2: if that's what's happening 9 out of 10 times, you could as well google "<model name> hard reset", maybe there is something
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20:06<hunes2>after new install goes black screen with blinking cursor
20:07<sney>probably missing video firmware or drivers. what hardware?
20:10<hunes2><sney>noticed that Rsix00 Firmwaremising during install ,but have to boot first?[six,five key brokenot working] on this laptop.HPenvy AMD A10
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20:12<sney>you can get a cli prompt by selecting the second option at boot. install the 'firmware-linux-nonfree' package. graphics should work normally after
20:12<sney>you may need to enable non-free if you haven't already. see the next message from dpkg
20:12<sney>!non-free sources
20:12<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
20:13<hunes2><sney>still blinking on HP envyM, what is command='install the 'firmware-linux-nonfree'
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20:14<sney>you can get a cli prompt by selecting the second option at boot
20:15<hunes2><sney> yes, command to install is what
20:15<sney>apt install firmware-linux-nonfree
20:16<sney>but you may need to enable non-free first, see dpkg's message above
20:16<hunes2><sney> thanks will try that, is Edit a command also
20:17<sney>no, but a common editor is 'nano'
20:17<hunes2><sney> does iy make a differnce in choosing 'recovery, or the one above,
20:18<sney>recovery is what you want. it'll boot the system without trying to launch the graphical interface bits
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20:23<hunes2><sney>'Edit /etc/apt/sources.list , is this also command, do not see a CLI in ;helplist that I recognize
20:23<sney>a common editor is 'nano'
20:24<sney>so you would do (as root after loggin in to recovery) nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:25<hunes2><sney>'nano /etc/apt/sources [enter this on command line....listor just run 'apt install firmware-linux-nonfree,
20:25<sney>follow the instructions from dpkg a few lines up, then afterwards, apt install ..
20:28<hunes2><sney>Editcomand not found, and ;/etc/apt/sources.list:No such file or directory
20:28<hunes2><sney> do not see a CLI in helplist
20:28<sney>then you are doing something wrong
20:28<sney>I have told you exactly what I would do, in your situation.
20:28<blast007>hunes2: "Edit" is not a command.
20:29<sney>CLI just means "command line interface."
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20:30<hunes2><sney> of course I am , what about a FSCK fix, so that;s what Iam running in when those helplist items show
20:30<sney>I don't know what you mean by helplist. please just read the things I have already told you and try them.
20:31<blast007>could just reinstall with one of the firmware images..
20:31<sney>also a good option
20:32<dvs>excessive but viable
20:32<hunes2>blast007> not too familiar with CLI, but saw/heard once about a fsck repair for boot? helplist when you type, 'help
20:33<hunes2><sney> I thought it read the nonfree DVD on install to avoid all this
20:33<sney>fsck is only for filesystem problems, which is probably not what is happening to you
20:33<sney>for you, the graphical interface is trying to start, but can't. usually this is because you are missing firmware or drivers.
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20:36<hunes2>don;t know how to fix the '/etc/apt/sources.list, help lists job spec ...while commad[topkeys of keyboard not working]
20:36<dvs>!non-free sources
20:36<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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20:37<synrg1>hey yall
20:37<synrg1>im having trouble having my touchpad work in my current debian install
20:38<hunes2><dvs> you want me to Edit./etc/apt/sources.list, what is the edit command
20:38<synrg1>i have synaptics installed, i copied the xorg config over, no luck at all
20:40<dvs>hunes2, editor (or nano), like sney said
20:42<hunes2><dvs> what is the editor name/command none listed/showing up in the help.command listings
20:42<blast007>hunes2: nano
20:43<dvs><sney> a common editor is 'nano'
20:43<hunes2><dvs> type nano, it it will start
20:43<hunes2>dvs> yep
20:46<hunes2><dvs> now what do I do, I need SMOKE break, that nano is my first time seeing, its not an EMACS is it
20:47<dvs>hunes2, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main"
20:47<synrg1>can i get some help here
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20:50<hunes2><dvs> just type '/etc/apt/sources.list, and it will appear
20:50<linux77>please anyone can help with postgres, i receive a msg saying to upgrade to version 12 but it's i can found on buster repository?
20:51<hunes2><dvs> just type '/etc/apt/sources.list, and it will appear nope
20:51<sney>linux77: postgres upgrades are a big undertaking, if the version you are using now is working, just ignore that message
20:52<linux77>putz i alredy try to remove because the message say to do it
20:52<linux77>my postgresql is running but client can't connect
20:52<dvs>hunes2, Type Control-O and then /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:52<dvs>like it says at the bottom of the screen.
20:52<sney>synrg1: most touchpads work on a basic level like a mouse, what exactly is happening in your case?
20:53<linux77>i try install python support for postgresql
20:57<sney>if the postgres client is unable to connect then the server is most likely not running. can you pastebin the output of service status, etc?
20:58<linux77>one momment
20:59<linux77>very thank's for help
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21:01<linux77>is it the output of my sysntemctl status postgresql
21:02<hunes2><dvs> overwrite
21:03<hunes2><dvs> overwrite yes/no
21:04<hunes2><blast007> I see a blank page
21:04<blast007>and then: apt update ; apt install firmware-linux-nonfree
21:05<dvs>I think hunes2 needs to exit first.
21:05<hunes2><blast007> nano runs commands, all on same line
21:06<hunes2><dvs> exit from nano 3.2
21:06*dvs is starting to agree with starting over with the non-free ISO
21:08<hunes2> <dvs> I tried it yesterday, but it seemed to stuck at a low percent, I guess thats going to be my best bet,without that firmware
21:09<hunes2> <dvs> nano runs commands like ;apt update
21:09<dvs>no, it is an editor
21:09<dvs>it only edits files
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21:11<hunes2><dvs> thats what you meant by exit first [but no changes to ;/etc/apt/sources.list ; were done
21:12<dvs>!tell hunes2 -about non-free sources
21:13<dvs>hunes2, if you are having so much trouble adding "contrib non-free" to the end of the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, then I'd suggest using the firmware ISO.
21:14<hunes2><dvs> I think I'll boot it up one more to see if it works this time
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21:16<hunes2><dvs> the live DVD will maybe have the same issues[firmware]
21:16<dvs>hunes2, so do but it is not recommended to do the install from a live ISO
21:16<blast007>!firmware image
21:16<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from
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21:30<linux77>heya guys, i solved postgres trouble
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21:38<junes2><dvs> hunes2=junes2, would legacy support in BIOS cause issues, its still trying to boot debian
21:38<junes2><dvs> or turn off 'secure boot
21:39<dvs>junes2, turn off Secure Boot for sure.
21:41<blast007>junes2: are you reinstalling Debian using the ISO with firmware?
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21:43<junes2><dvs><blast007>yes, forgot tochange legacy boot to DVD
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21:45<linux77>guys my networking not start on boot i try write an systemd way with netdev maybe this solve the trouble?
21:47<blast007>what are you using to configure your network?
21:47<linux77>i used /etc/network interfaces but on boot no ethernet up
21:47<linux77>i need to start it manualy
21:48<linux77>now i write the new way
21:48<linux77>with systemd netdev
21:48<linux77>it's right
21:48<blast007>do you have 'auto' and 'allow-hotplug' lines for your interface in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
21:49<linux77>yes the trouble appear some moments ago
21:49<linux77>one moment i reboot to test
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21:51<blast007>dvs: I have both in mine.
21:51<dvs>blast007, you only need one, preferably allow-hotplug
21:52<junes2><blast007> can I boot DVDfirmware from grub
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21:52<linux77>it worked
21:53<linux77>i don't nedd /etc/network/interfaces i moved to an bkup file
21:54<blast007>junes2: why would you not just boot to the DVD directly?
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21:56<junes2><blast007> something is not happening in the BIOS boot to DVD, not an option on F9
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21:58<blast007>dvs: I'm thinking I had some issue where when I didn't have one or the other it didn't bring the interface up after a reboot, but that could have been my other system with a tinc VPN
21:58<junes2><blast007> f9 lists, debian, EFI, Notboke hard drive
22:01<sqrt{not}>junes2: "debian" probably means the DVD
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22:03<blast007>this really isn't a complicated task... remove the disk, see what options there are in the F9 menu... put the disk back in... compare what you see in the F9 menu now...
22:04<junes2><sqrt{not}> sorry its debian<Toshiba MQ0...etc> the installed debian
22:05<sqrt{not}>junes: then what is "Notboke hard drive" ? is that some other installed system ?
22:06<blast007>"debian" is probably the UEFI boot entry for the hard drive, whereas "Notebook hard drive" is the legacy boot entry for the hard drive
22:06<junes2><sqrt{not}>misspelled 'Notebook Hard Drive' why this and debian, I dunno
22:07<junes2><sqrt{not}> I saw the dvd option one time , its gone now
22:09<junes2><sqrt{not}> turn off legacy, and secure in BIOS, no help
22:11<blast007>make sure your install DVD actually works
22:12<sqrt{not}>junes2: when I insert a bootable USB here, it is named: "Debian 10.0.0 i386 netboot" in the graphical filesystems menu
22:12<sqrt{not}>junes2: do what blast007 told you: remove the disk, try the menu again and see what is not there now, then put the disk back and try again
22:13<sqrt{not}>junes2: i mean remove the DVD, ...., put the DVD back .....
22:24<junes2><sqrt{not}> well to to test if its working, win10 does a the fastest quick format I have ever seen ...
22:28<sqrt{not}>I still think the entry "debian" might be the bootable DVD, labelled Debian [some version]
22:29<junes2><sqrt{not}> trying to rewrite it now after that win10 fastest format ever
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22:31<sqrt{not}>I just inserted a bootable CD here, and it is labelled in the graphical files display: "Debian 9.3.0 amd64 n"
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22:31<sqrt{not}>junes2: OK, and please tell us what windows tool you are using to write the DVD ?
22:32<junes2><sqrt{not}> f9 now showing debian<TOSHIBA MQ...etc>, Boot from EFI File, still making Firmware DVD
22:32<junes2><sqrt{not}> 19 minutes
22:33<sqrt{not}>junes2: are you using some windows program to write the DVD ?
22:33<sqrt{not}>junes2: so you are saying the notebook hard drive is the entry that has disappeared now ????
22:33<junes2><sqrt{not}> just copying 'debianlive10.1.0amd4gnaome+nonfree.iso to DVD
22:34<junes2><sqrt{not}> yes its gone now:
22:34<sqrt{not}>junes2: are you "copying" with some windows program ? what is the program ?
22:34<junes2><sqrt{not}> I think a copy paste
22:35<junes2><sqrt{not}> drag
22:35<sqrt{not}>hmmmm, maybe OK
22:36<blast007>junes2: are you writing it to a DVD or a flash drive?
22:36<junes2><sqrt{not}> dragged to DVD
22:37<sqrt{not}>this is what you "fast formatted" before you dragged the .iso to it ?
22:39<junes2><sqrt{not}>no, tried to preview DVD, format option poppedup [USB.CD?} even the 'graphical install would not be to get the needed firmware, I'd tried plane install[non graphical]
22:41<sqrt{not}>junes2: you are doing strange unrequested things right and left. it is not possible to troubleshoot your situation.
22:41<junes2><sqrt{not}> still pasting 8minutes
22:41<junes2>its a shame ,I want a debian so bad, and nothings working
22:41<sqrt{not}>junes2: you have changed the BIOS boot setting in unknows ways, changing the DVD.
22:42<blast007>if you're burning it to an actual DVD, you don't want to be doing any "formatting" of the DVD
22:42<blast007>if you did that, toss that DVD and start over
22:42<sqrt{not}>junes: good luck
22:42<blast007>you want to right click on the ISO and choose "Burn disc image"
22:43<junes2><sqrt{not}> OK I will[burn DVD] my son says burn is old school, maybe new is copy paste,drag
22:44<blast007>no, it's NOT
22:44<blast007>you're just burning the ISO to the disk as a file. that will not work.
22:44<blast007>you need to use the "Burn disc image" option
22:46<junes2><blast007>OK I will burn, so just for fun what can I do with that 'file', anything, or just stop what its doing and toss it
22:47<blast007>stop and toss it
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22:49<junes2><blast007>whendebian asked to switch disk[DVD] why didn't it get those needed firmwares
22:49<junes2><blast007> at the install
22:50<blast007>I don't know what you mean
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22:54<junes2><blast007> the installer asked 'to read other DVDs, I switch to non free but it still needs firmwares
22:55<sqrt{not}>junes2: if you are copying the image "debianlive10.1.0amd4gnaome+nonfree.iso" that is NOT an install image, it is a LIVE image
22:55<junes2><blast007>is 'debian-live-10.2.0-amd64-mate+nonfree, an OK firmware
22:56<sqrt{not}>no, get this one:
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23:00<sqrt{not}>junes2: download the firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso I just showed you, and use that as your main install DVD, no switching to extra dvd is necessary.
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23:02<junes2><sqrt{not}> lost last session[disconnected] what is firmware link[you read my mind]
23:04<junes2><sqrt{not}> any ideas of what nonfree issues may happen during/before/after install
23:05<sqrt{not}>that DVD should have all possible firmware available on the DVD, free and nonfree
23:05<junes2>AMD A10 7
23:06<junes2><sqrt{not}>A10 seventysix sixty G
23:06<sqrt{not}>what does that mean ???
23:06<junes2><sqrt{not}>number keys not working here
23:07<sleblanc>junes2, why are your number keys not working?
23:08<junes2><sqrt{not}>water, dropped, haven't pusued it yet
23:08<sleblanc>aw, that's lame
23:09<sqrt{not}>!radeon firmware
23:09<dpkg>Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
23:09<sqrt{not}>junes2: this firmware should be on the DVD I linked for you. please just try it
23:11<junes2><sqrt{not}>its a made in 2000 HP laptop,[I,m on] now, but the A10 at least got a number pad, 43 minutes to go, I will thanks
23:12<AleksejShilin>IIRC it doesn't get installed even by the non-free d-i images.
23:12<AleksejShilin>There's a bug somewhere.
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23:16<junes2><AleksejShilin> what doesn't get installed
23:16<junes2><AleksejShilin> debian
23:16<AleksejShilin>AMD graphics firmware.
23:17<junes2><AleksejShilin>I was hoping you wern't going to say that
23:17<junes2><AleksejShilin> guess I;ll go live and copy my work to the harddrive :
23:17<sqrt{not}>junes2: just get a working installation first. you can install anything afterward
23:18<junes2><AleksejShilin> just said no graphics , sono boot screen, remember its loooking for graphics drivers...
23:19<AleksejShilin>junes2: You may pass the following to the installer: apt-setup/non-free=true
23:19<sqrt{not}>you should run the actual debian installer, if you want to have a debian system. after that you can change things
23:20<AleksejShilin>This way it will add the non-free section automatically, so you'll be able to install the firmware with 1 command.
23:20<junes2><AleksejShilin>'the link IS the installer
23:21<sqrt{not}>yes, the link I gave you IS the installer, not a LIVE system. use that one
23:22<junes2><sqrt{not}> how/why could/should I do this .../You may pass the following to the installer: apt-setup/non-free=true/
23:24<junes2><sqrt{not}> Am I looking forward to DRM issues
23:26<AleksejShilin>Regarding how:
23:26<AleksejShilin>It's not a must though, everything can be done after installation.
23:29<junes2><sqrt{not}> 24 minutes to go, wish me luck, if I can just get a Desktop GUI, I'd be OK
23:30<junes2><AleksejShilin> its just a laptop, not a server
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23:30<AleksejShilin>It doesn't matter. The installer is the same.
23:31<junes2><AleksejShilin> thats very cool
23:34<junes2><AleksejShilin> had a VBOX debian Buster VM that worked fine
23:35<AleksejShilin>Installing Debian is probably the most difficult part.
23:35<AleksejShilin>After that everything should be fine.
23:35<junes2><AleksejShilin> thanks for reminding me of that, too much fun
23:36<junes2><AleksejShilin> 13 minutes to go
23:37<junes2><AleksejShilin> does the nonfree offer Graphical, and plain old [install], etc
23:37<gry>you can write A, L, E, TAB
23:38<gry>this inserts AleksejShilin's name into your message
23:38<junes2>AleksejShilin: like the Buster offers
23:39<AleksejShilin>Non-free *is* buster. It just contains a few additional packages which otherwise one has to install manually.
23:40<junes2>AleksejShilin: wondering if the plain ol 'install' presents better performace
23:41<AleksejShilin>They're basically identical.
23:41<junes2>gry: just hoping this firmware thing does not rear its ugly head again
23:42<AleksejShilin>The graphical one has mouse support and can show some characters the text one can't. That's mostly it.
23:43<junes2>AleksejShilin: I seem to run into issues on the HD partitions maybe [ in the graphic case]
23:44<junes2>AleksejShilin: let 'install' worry about it
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23:45<junes2>AleksejShilin: I always choose guided whole disk
23:46<junes2>AleksejShilin: OK 4minutes to go, thanks all
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