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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-12-02

---Logopened Mon Dec 02 00:00:06 2019
00:00<ramz>heyo btches
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01:40<junes2>the nonfree resulted in that same missing firmware ,,, no boot to OS ,,, blinking cursor, so thanks for that link
01:41<junes2>guess I'll have to stick to that VBOX debian Buster10
01:42<junes2>trying the ;install; one last time ; not the graphical
01:42<junes2>!install nonfree
01:43<junes2>leave junes2
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03:27<turi>hi
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05:51<linux77>guys i don't have much pratice with ipv6, i made one entry in /etc/systemd/network/eth0.network for my box with an ipv4 static addres, but on ifconfig lists only ipv6 assignement? anyone can gimme some help?
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06:29<grawity>ifconfig sometimes lies
06:29<grawity>check whether `ip addr` shows your address correctly
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08:10<linux77>hey guys any can help me my vhosts is setup to an directory but i only see de default apache2 debian webpage?
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08:13<sleblanc>linux77, I can try helping you
08:13<sleblanc>did you set a hostname for your vhost? do you have multiple vhosts?
08:14<sleblanc>linux77, you can type "apache2ctl -S" to list all your vhosts
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08:41<SkarmoutsosV>Hi! Does anyone know if there is a difference between https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full and https://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full ?
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08:43<blast007>SkarmoutsosV: they both have the exact same content
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08:44<sleblanc>~ LANG=C diff -s <(curl -s https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full) <(curl -s https://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full)
08:44<sleblanc>Files /proc/self/fd/11 and /proc/self/fd/14 are identical
08:45<SkarmoutsosV>blast007: I was wondering if one of them is deprecated
08:45<sleblanc>SkarmoutsosV, they have the same exact bytes
08:46<SkarmoutsosV>I want to hardcode one URL to a python script and was wondering which one to use
08:47<sleblanc>they have the same timestamp, so one is probably a (wiki) redirect to the other. I doubt that either is going away any time soon
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08:49<linux77>i re-read the docs maybe i already correct the trouble
08:49<sleblanc>SkarmoutsosV, web site source shows that list-full is the canonical 'real page' while the other might be a URL alias: https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/tree/master/english/mirror
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08:51<sdias>ola
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08:57<SkarmoutsosV>steblanc, Your diff-curl command and especially the link to salsa mirror page gave me usefull info. Thank you very much for your guidance.
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09:50<fequerver>VERIFY REGISTER fequerver qxvnaagmbblm
09:50<fequerver>.-.
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09:52<sqrt{not}>fequerver: change you password now, we all saw it
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09:53<zumbi>surely that was a fake test :E
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09:54<themill>It just looked like stars to me.
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09:56<sqrt{not}>really ? no stars here, all LC alpha
09:56<mendel_munkis>hunter2 reference.
09:56<mendel_munkis>probably
09:56<sqrt{not}>ahh, OK, no culture here, I'll shut up
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09:58<annadane>that's like, internet rite of passage
09:58<annadane>you deserve a ban
09:59<themill>!hunter2
09:59<dpkg>hunter2 is the <foo> of passwords. http://bash.org/?244321
10:01*sqrt{not} guesses he better change his password now
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10:42<blast007>I think that's the verification code, not the password
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10:58<junes2>ubuntu
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11:06<junes2>what's the fix
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12:07<ansf>hi
12:10<dvs>oi
12:10<ansf>what
12:10<ansf>?
12:10<ansf>who can help me i cant open tor browser on parrot os
12:12<dvs>!parrot
12:12<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org.
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12:13<ansf>how i can join to #parrotsec
12:14<sqrt{not}>!freenode
12:14<dpkg>freenode (formerly Open Projects Network) is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an IRC network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/ . You may be connected to freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>.
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12:57<paidjemz>anyone from ID?
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12:59<paidjemz>hi
12:59<u0_a103>hello
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13:00<u0_a103>anyone can reply m?
13:00<paidjemz>yes
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13:03<synrg1>hey guys
13:03<synrg1>its snowing here in new york
13:04<mendel_munkis>!offtopic (here in new york its hailing)
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13:10<nvz>they're always hailing in NYC.. you gotta be really persistant to get a cab..
13:10<nvz>:P
13:10<synrg1>ahaha
13:10<synrg1>best place on earth id say
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13:12<_Fremen_>hello everyone
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13:14<_Fremen_>I am trying to use Debian with YUMI but when I try to install it through live or standard version, I get "CD not found" or etc. Even though I am using USB, Debian checks the CDROM for installation media. How can I fix this? Are there any guides or tutorials?
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13:15<jhutchins_wk>_Fremen_: While there is a boot image specifically intended to do that, we often see that symptom when the image was written with unetbootin.
13:16<_Fremen_>jhutchins_wk, YUMI currently the tool I use and I prefer to use it with Debian as well
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13:24<free2>!oftc
13:24<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
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13:25<aloo_shu>links break
13:25<aloo_shu>so do factoids
13:25<aloo_shu>factual fact
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13:33<sqrt{not}>_Fremen_: jhutchins_wk was trying to tell you NOT to use unetbootin. if you are using that, try instead win32diskimager
13:33<sqrt{not}>!unetbootin
13:33<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
13:33<sqrt{not}>!rufus
13:33<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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13:35<_Fremen_>sqrt{not}, I understand but I need and prefer multiboot software and best alternatives I know are YUMI and SARDU. Anything else I can use?
13:40<sqrt{not}>_Fremen_: OK, are you trying to install YUMI on a debian system, or are you trying to add debian to a YUMI multi-boot USB ?
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13:47<_Fremen_>sqrt{not}, trying to add Debian into a YUMI multi-boot USB. I hoped that there could be a simple guide for me to fix it :(.
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13:47<_Fremen_>because it is very practical to use a multi boot instead of single boot device
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13:48<sqrt{not}>_Fremen_: right, so are you using the YUMI program to add debian ? Is it running in windows or linux/wine ?
13:48<_Fremen_>sqrt{not}, it runs better in windows rather than wine
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13:49<sqrt{not}>_Fremen_: so how is this a debian question then ? are you running any debian code somewhere in this process ?
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13:50<_Fremen_>sqrt{not}, I am having problem with making Debian installable with YUMI, so my question is related in that way. If you think this is off topic, I will try somewhere else?
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13:51<sqrt{not}>_Fremen_: well, are you running the debian installer when you have the problem ?
13:55<_Fremen_>sqrt{not}, yes, everything works fine until Debian looks for installation media and searches it in CDROM, not the multiboot USB I am currently running. I assumed this can be fixed by pointing to the spesific installation file via console during installation and I was searching for such a fix.
13:56<jhutchins_wk>_Fremen_: That is an error with the iso image, not a problem with the Debian installer.
13:57<jhutchins_wk>_Fremen_: The debian installer _already_ points to the device with the iso on it, so there is something wrong, either with the way yumi is mounting the image or with the image itself.
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13:57<_Fremen_>jhutchins_wk, in that case, yumi
13:58<_Fremen_>jhutchins_wk, ok thanks, I will search for something else
13:58<_Fremen_>have a nice day
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14:29<court>who is here?
14:29<dboles>!ask
14:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:30<court>Does this messager a has life?
14:30<dboles>633 people according to my IRC client
14:30<dboles>do you have a debian support question?
14:30<court>lol
14:30<court>no
14:30<court>just talking
14:30<dboles>then sorry, but
14:30<dboles>!chat
14:30<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
14:30<court>ok
14:30<court>sorry
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15:07<rob_debian>Hi all, please, is there any other application that can help me to recover data from a overwritten partition ? I tried to use 'testdisk', but it's not so clear, it's not so precise and quite complex to be used succesfully.
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15:08<aggi>without additional info i see little chance anyone could help rob_debian
15:08<rob_debian>I'd like to know if there is any other application better than 'testdisk' for it's a crap that doesn't work fine - not user-friendly and explanations in its manual tend to induce you to make other mistakes.
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15:08<aggi>better for what?
15:08<towo`>all forensic tools are quite complex
15:09<aggi>this depends on what caused the data loss
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15:09<synrg1>hey yall, i cant figure out how to get my touchpad set up. i have the xorg files copied into the correct dir, i have libinput and synaptic installed, etc. i dont know what to do at this point
15:09<synrg1>trackpad*
15:09<somiaj>recovering data is hard, there is no simple tool for this.
15:09<towo`>testdisk is one of the best tools i know
15:09<rob_debian>Hi aggi, nice to meet you ! towo it's not a forensic tool. It's developed to recover data from damaged or lost partitions.
15:10<towo`>rob_debian, it is using forensic routines for that
15:10<somiaj>rob_debian: that is what a forensic tool is, a tool needs to manually read every byte of the drive an make guesses to put things back together.
15:10<towo`>and there is also foremost, but it's also complex
15:12<towo`>the easyest way is to recover from the backup
15:12<rob_debian>Hi somiaj, no problem if it's a complex task, But in this case, this application tends to not work correctly. I follow instructions provided in its manual, but these instructions aren't well explained.
15:15<sqrt{not}>synrg1: what version of debian are you running ? what desktop environment ? what have you copied into what directory ?
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15:18<rob_debian>Sorry, My hdd is falling here, low space 587 MB
15:18<rob_debian>towo, again, 'testdisk' is not considered a forensic tool. It was developed just to recover partitions and data from damaged or lost partitions.
15:19<rob_debian>somiaj, really ?
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15:20<rob_debian>I thought towo was making confusing with tools used by kali linux to other objectives. So the wrong point of views is mine, not towo....
15:20<somiaj>are you currently using the disk that failed and you need to recover data from?
15:20<rob_debian>Sorry for that
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15:20<rob_debian>somiaj, the case is: I have to recover data from a health disc
15:21<rob_debian>this disc I'm using now installed on my laptop is falling, I'll have to replace it and I'll do it afterwards.
15:21<aggi>so what caused the data-loss?
15:21<somiaj>standard process is top using the disk right away. Make two images of the disk, one as a backup/original, one to work from. Then start using tools on that image to recover the data, this takes a lot of space and is slow.
15:21<somiaj>the more you use the disk the harder it is to get data from it.
15:21<rob_debian>But my main question is: I need another application to help me to recover data from a health hdd I told you
15:22<AleksejShilin>rob_debian: photorec?
15:22<towo`>testdisk is using photorec
15:22<rob_debian>I see somiaj
15:22<synrg1>sqrt{not}: i3wm
15:22<synrg1>debian with 5.2 kernel
15:23<rob_debian>somiaj, I don't know if you know 'easus partition master' it can be installed in windows, not any Linux Distro
15:23<rob_debian>it's excellent, and I would like to know if there is any similar with graphical interface to help me
15:24<rob_debian>'testdisk' is sometimes so confusing. You are adviced to navigate through menus using q (quit), but if you use it, you have to scan hdd again
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15:25<rob_debian>you take 1 hour and a half to scan everything. After this process, it's difficult to navigate through options offered in 'testdisk'. Sometimes you can, majority of time you lose your time scanning (1 hour and a half)
15:26<towo`>try foremost
15:27<rob_debian>Please towo, is 'foremost' graphical tool ?
15:27<towo`>no
15:28<towo`>and i don't know any clicky tool for data recovery on linux
15:29<towo`>https://www.r-studio.com/free-linux-recovery/
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15:30<towo`>there is even a commercial pro version, which seems to have a gui
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15:32<rob_debian>I see towo, thank you for your attention and Great Support !:) If 'testdisk' worked fine all the time, it would be enough for me.
15:32<rob_debian>In just one occasion, I could see all ntfs directory tree though it, and could see files that I need to recover.
15:32<rob_debian>But it was only once I got it. Several other trials I couldn't get the same result.
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15:35<rob_debian>Please, other issue here: this hdd is getting increasing the size alone, or it seems to me at least. Yesterday it was 8 GB free, and I haven't stored anything in it since. Today is this way, only 568 MB of free space ....
15:35<sarnold>rob_debian: I've used The Sleuthkit / Autopsy when trying to recover data from corrupted filesystems before; depending upon how the data was overwritten, it may or may not help
15:35<rob_debian>https://paste.debian.net/1119106/
15:35<sarnold>rob_debian: but commercial services exist for data recovery, it might be worth investigating them
15:36<rob_debian>Hi sarnold, nice to meet you here :) Yes, I know; commercial services are available, but I can't spending money for that, not now, unfortunately.
15:36<rob_debian>Sleuthkit / Autopsy ?
15:37<sarnold>rob_debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sleuthkit
15:37<sarnold>rob_debian: for your "where is my storage going?" problem, try "ncdu -x /"
15:38<rob_debian>Thank you very much for that sarnold !
15:38<rob_debian>I'll check here using "ncdu -x /"
15:38<rob_debian>bash: ncdu: command not found
15:39<rob_debian>if 'ncdu' is a package, I can't install it now.
15:39<rob_debian>very low space here
15:39<rob_debian>sorry, not 'slow'
15:40<rob_debian>Very little space available here
15:40<rob_debian>568 MB
15:41<rob_debian>oh, only 43,7 kb, so it's possible to install it
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15:49<rob_debian>Sorry, interruption here sarnold
15:49<sarnold>rob_debian: wb
15:49<rob_debian>now it's 17 GB free space
15:49<rob_debian>wb ?
15:49<sarnold>wb == welcome back :)
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15:50<rob_debian>oh, fine, thank you !:)
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15:50<rob_debian>now, let me check this storage using 'ncdu -x /'
15:50<sarnold>rob_debian: apt autoclean or apt clean will remove local package copies, which can sometimes free a few gigabytes very quickly
15:51<sarnold>rob_debian: but the downside of course is that those packages are no longer available to you for troubleshooting; I've only needed them like three times in 25 years so it's not a huge risk, but still, it's a risk
15:51<rob_debian>Fine sarnold, I've simply forgotten this command and was trying to fix issue here using 'apt autoremove'
15:51<sarnold>that will uninstall packages, which might be fine, but also might be HORRIBLE :) so I don't suggest that one immediately
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15:52<sarnold>deboprhan / orphaner can help with uninstalling packages -- but it's also not something to run blindly, you need to know what you're removing before you remove anything
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15:55<rob_debian>I see sarnold, please, take a lool on it for you to have an idea about what I deleted: https://paste.debian.net/1119110/
15:55<rob_debian>Apparently everything is working fine...
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15:56<sarnold>rob_debian: YIKES
15:56<AleksejShilin>sarnold: It's autoclean, not autoremove.
15:57<AleksejShilin>So no worries.
15:58<sarnold>AleksejShilin: oh thank god
15:58<sarnold>I was terrified
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16:06<rob_debian>No sarnold, you wasn't terrified; it was only a short misconception. It happens to everyone :)
16:07<rob_debian>'you wasn't'... oh ! Wrong !
16:07<rob_debian>You weren't... sorry :)
16:08<rob_debian>Oh my goodness, when will I write in minimally correct English?
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18:37<Alex_>I'm having issues installing Debian on a new SSD. I don't know much about computers, but it's an OS I need to run my home automation software. Is this the right channel to ask for installation help?
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18:38<sqrt{not}>Alex_: yes, this is the place.
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18:40<Alex_>When I try to boot from the DVD, I get a splash page with a few options, 2 of which are "Graphical Install" or "install". No matter what I pick, the screen goes blank.
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18:43<nvz>Alex_: care to tell us what kind of machine this is?
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18:44<Alex_>HP Compaq Elite 8000 SFF
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18:45<Alex_>250G SSD, 16GB RAM
18:45<AleksejShilin>Alex_: How did you create the installation media?
18:45<Alex_>Downloaded the ISO from debian.org and burned the image onto a DVD
18:46<nvz>Alex_: https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-compaq-8000-elite-small-form-factor-pc/4065894/document/c01926347 lists 8 different possible video cards, any idea which one you have?
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18:47<sqrt{not}>Alex_: Also, please tell us the name of the ISO you downloaded (or the URL it came from)
18:48<somiaj>Alex_: and how you copied the iso to your usb drive.
18:48<blast007>somiaj: they said burned to a DVD
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18:48<somiaj>ahh missed that.
18:49<Alex_>I'm not sure which graphic card, but I'll see if I can find it (I dont know much about computers).
18:49<Alex_>I downloaded debian-10.2.0-i386-DVD-1
18:50<sarnold>386? that's probably not the media you want anyway
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18:51<sarnold>grab an amd64 or x86-64 image or whatever it's called :)
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18:52<Alex_>i also have the amd64 as well, and it does the same thing
18:52<Alex_>I wasn't sure which one to download, so I got both.
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18:55<AleksejShilin>Alex_: Could you try Expert Install, please?
18:56<AleksejShilin>It's in a subcategory.
18:56<Alex_>yep... sure thing.
18:57<Alex_>Same issue - blank screen (I just tried both ISO images too).
18:58<sleblanc>Alex_, also, can you confirm whether you are booting in UEFI mode?
18:58<AleksejShilin>And no text after selecting that menu option?
18:59<sleblanc>if you can get your computer to prompt you for a boot device (often called Boot Selection, F10 key) if it boots the disc as UEFI it should have it in the option (e.g. (uefi) Debian 10.2.0 i386)
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18:59<Alex_>sleblanc - it'll be a min for me to figure that out.
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19:00<Alex_>Aleksej - yes, 2 lines of text did appear. but then went away
19:00<AleksejShilin>It means that the kernel doesn't even boot.
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19:02<Alex_>sleblanc - I'm still looking. I'm in the "HP Setup Utility" after pressing F10,
19:03<sleblanc>on your machine it might not be the F10 key. basically, you're looking for a key that pauses normal boot sequence and prompts you for a drive to boot, whether it's the hard drive, a dvd or a usb drive
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19:04<Alex_>oh, that! Ok one second... that's the F9 key fr me
19:04<sleblanc>Alex_, some machines will have text on the splash screen informing you about that. on my machine it says "Press F2 to enter Setup, F10 for boot selection"
19:04<sleblanc>and so I'd like to know if it shows you two entries for the disc, with one prefixed with something like (UEFI)
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19:06<Alex_>It doesn't say anything about UEFI. I have 4 options - (1) CD-ROM (2) USB Device (3) Hard Drive (4) IBA GE Slot 00C8 v1324
19:06<sleblanc>hmm :-/
19:07<sleblanc>have you verified the disc after burning? you might have a bad burn (more common than you might think)
19:07<sleblanc>how did you burn the image?
19:07<Alex_>I have not. I'm not sure how to do that.
19:08<Alex_>I have a windows 10 computer, I just right clicked on the ISO and selected "Burn to disc"
19:08<Alex_>actually, it's "Burn disc image"
19:08<sleblanc>it /should/ be fine
19:09<AleksejShilin>Given that USB Device is in the list, you could try with a flash drive instead.
19:10<Alex_>Alek, I did that too...
19:10<sleblanc>that's what I was about to suggest
19:10<sleblanc>same result?
19:10<Alex_>same issue
19:11<Alex_>But, I think the boot options looks different. I have to re-image the USB because I have the i386 image on it.
19:11<sleblanc>ok, so turns out the 8000 Elite has no UEFI support according to the following post: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/does-my-hp-elite-8000-sff-pc-support-UEFI/td-p/6531757
19:11<sleblanc>so that's out of the question then
19:12<Alex_>oh... like, out of the question, debian cant be loaded on the computer?
19:12<blast007>is there a video card in a slot on that system, or is it just the onboard graphics?
19:12<sleblanc>no, not like that
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19:12<sleblanc>I mean, I was suspecting an UEFI problem, but your computer does not have UEFI so we're dealing with plain ole BIOS boot
19:12<sleblanc>(which arguably is simpler)
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19:12<Alex_>blast007 - not gonna lie, I'm STILL trying to find the graphics card. There isn't anything else in the slots, so I'm assuming its onboard
19:13<Alex_>ah, ok. Ugh... I would get the wrong kind of computer
19:13<blast007>k, then it'd just be in Intel GMA 4500
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19:13<blast007>an*
19:13<sleblanc>it's a small form factor PC, so I doubt a graphics card could even fit inside
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19:13<blast007>sleblanc: HP offered 4 different add-in GPUs with that model
19:14<sleblanc>I see
19:14<Alex_>There are some empty slots, but idk what they're for.
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19:16<blast007>sounds like it may need a BIOS update: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/need-bios-update-for-hp-compaq-8000-elite-sff/td-p/7065841
19:16<sleblanc>>But it appears they require Windows to be installed in order to run the updater
19:16<sleblanc>that's sad
19:17<Alex_>ugh, great.... so I have to install windows first?
19:18<sleblanc>Alex_, can you locate a BIOS version number in the boot screen? a forum post said they upgraded from 1.02 to 1.03
19:18<Alex_>yep, one second.
19:18<sarnold>"need bios update to run newer linux kernels" -- interesting, I wonder if older linux systems will work okay
19:18<sarnold>in which case you might be able to use fwupd to install bios updates without windows, I know some of the vendors are starting to use this to distribute bios updates
19:19<blast007>the latest version is 1.14
19:19<sleblanc>https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Elite-8000-Ultra-slim-BIOS-upgrade/td-p/6869446
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19:19<Alex_>system bios is 1.07
19:20<aloo_shu>what would newer kernels demand of BIOSes that older ones didn't, sarnold ?
19:20<sleblanc>I think the person who replied about needing windows to flash the BIOS was misinformed. if you download the BIOS image, it's a self-extractable executable that contains a DOS helper to flash the BIOS
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19:21<sleblanc>you can use cabextract on Linux to extract the image, if you do not have a Windows computer. no need for wine (or vodka)
19:21<sarnold>aloo_shu: many of the kernel-side microarchitectural attack mitigations rely upon new instructions in the microcode; it's possible a system without microcode installed may have trouble..
19:21<Alex_>that last comment was completely German to me lol.
19:22<blast007>there may be a "Flash System ROM" option in the BIOS setup utility. See "How do I update the BIOS when not running Windows 7, Vista, Windows XP, or DOS?" at http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01955362
19:23<Alex_>Yes, that option is available
19:23<sleblanc>Alex_, some person on an HP support forum said "You need Windows to update your BIOS" but I think they were wrong. I just downloaded a BIOS image for your board (v1.07 though) and used an app called "cabextract" on Linux to get the contents. I found out it contains a "DOS Flash" folder so you would not need Windows to update your BIOS
19:23<Alex_>ah, ok.
19:24<sleblanc>they even packed a "BIOS CD" ISO
19:24<Alex_>I have a bunch of blank DVDs, can I put it on a DVD and update the BIOS?
19:25<sleblanc>probably
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19:25<sleblanc>the HP doc also says that there is a built-in utility in your BIOS that can read the file from USB storage
19:25<sleblanc>you might want to try that first, before using an ever so pricey blank DVD
19:26<Alex_>Good point. Let me try that. I'm looking for the bios ISO
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19:26<sleblanc>check out blast007's link, on page 6 it shows you how to load the file from USB storage
19:26<Alex_>Yep, I see it.
19:27<sleblanc>i think it reads the file you copy on a regular thumb drive, FAT partition, not an ISO
19:27<Alex_>oh! ok.
19:28<sleblanc>it can also read from diskettes, if you are that kind of person
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19:29<Alex_>lol, no. I'm 34
19:29<dvs>a caveman?
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19:34<Alex_>When I tried to "Flash System ROM" from USB, I got "file system damaged". I'm gonna grab another USB and give it another shot
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19:41<Alex_>*sigh* I keep getting the "file is missing or damaged" error
19:41<sarnold>what type of filesystem are you using?
19:42<Alex_>.exe
19:42<sarnold>I wouldn't be surprised if the bios can only read a few of the FAT formats.. probably not all of them and almost certainly no ext2/3/4..
19:44<Alex_>Im not sure what the filesystem is
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19:46<sarnold>when the usb mass storage device is mounted, 'mount' will show you what type of filesystem it is
19:47<Alex_>FAT32
19:47<Alex_>is that what you were asking?
19:47<sarnold>yeah
19:47<sarnold>probably the bios can do fat32. I hope the bios can do fat32.
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19:50<Alex_>I'm looking for another exe. Idk if the one I downloaded is bad or not.
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19:50<kin>hola
19:51<sney>!es
19:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:56<Alex_>Well, seems to be a bios issue right now and I'm trying to update it. This is gonna take me a while to figure out. I apprecate the help that every gave me.
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20:02<Alex_>HOLY CRAP!! I updated the BIOS to v1.14 and now I'm able to install Debian!! THANK YOU ALL!!
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20:03<sarnold>nice :D
20:04<blast007>yay!
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20:36<aloo_shu>hp should donate to debian :)
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20:50<gry>that was quick
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21:51<n4ch0m4n>hi
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21:52<n4ch0m4n>hi
21:52<sarnold>hello
21:53<n4ch0m4n>where are from?
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21:55<gry>Hi n4ch0m4n
21:55<gry>i am from Oceania
21:55<gry>how can i help you?
21:56<n4ch0m4n>i am fine,thanks
21:56<n4ch0m4n>no dude
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21:56<sney>!chat
21:56<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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23:14<manju>hi
23:14<manju>hello
23:14<manju>debin
23:14<dvs>eh?
23:14<manju>hey
23:15<manju>is there any
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23:17<manju>hello
23:17<dvs>!ask
23:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:17<gry>yes, hello
23:17<gry>how are you, manju?
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23:19<manju>iam fine what about u friend
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23:20<gry>good
23:20<gry>are you running debian? is it working for you?
23:20<manju>yes of course
23:21<gry>good
23:21<manju>where are u from
23:22<gry>I am from Russia, so I use #debian-ru sometimes
23:22<gry>where are you from? did you find your local channnel?
23:22<manju>okay
23:22<manju>iam from india
23:22<gry>ah
23:22<gry>good :) you can use #debian-in
23:23<manju>iam new user in debian
23:23<gry>click here >> #debian-in <<
23:23<manju>:)
23:23<gry>or, if it does not click, you can write like this:
23:23<gry>/join #debian-in
23:24<manju>yes iam here in channel
23:24<gry>I think you have to register your nickname before you can join #debian-in
23:24<gry>type '/msg nickserv help register' without quotes and follow the instructions
23:24<gry>you can do it later too if you want
23:25<manju>okay thanks
23:25<gry>you're welcome
23:26<manju>are u hacker :)
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