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00:23<sqrt{not}>Dowd, not python, but there seems to be a way to run .sh shell scripts in auto mode in the installer. I've never tried it, but it looks interesting: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apbs02.en.html#preseed-auto
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00:42<sqrt{not}>Dowd, another thought: the new "calamares" installer is available in the buster live-system images. I haven't tried it yet, but it runs in a fully functional live environment, so maybe it has more complex options.
00:42<sqrt{not}>dpkg, calamares
00:42<dpkg>Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See https://jonathancarter.org/2019/10/17/calamares-plans-for-debian-11/ and https://averagelinuxuser.com/debian-10-calamares/
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04:58<Mikaela>Is somewhat unreliable normal installer the same thing as the one that seems dialog based?
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06:07<GyrosGeier>Mikaela, these are two different frontends to the same installer
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06:51<Mikaela>so not calamares. I was just installing Debian a few days ago for my grandmother, or at least trying to, and it got hang up on loading package partman-simple or something like that, so in the end I installed Kubuntu for her. I wasn't aware of calamares beng a thing as previous releases used to not have anything related to install when the live
06:51<Mikaela>image was booted
06:52<GyrosGeier>hang on loading partman is weird
06:53<GyrosGeier>partman does scan the hardware, so it can take a while there
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07:20<Human_G33k>hello there is free(dom) alternative to intel-microcode
07:20<Human_G33k>?
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07:23<olasd>no
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07:29<bremner>riscV
07:30<blast007>Human_G33k: your BIOS/UEFI likely already loads microcode at boot
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07:48<olasd>what I meant to write before being interrupted by the Default World was: "there's very, very few consumer-grade and production-grade hardware providers that give out free as in freedom microcode"
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07:57<jelly>bremner: which linux-capable risc-v board has actual fully free fw?
07:58<bremner>uh. Ask me a gain when they are widely available?
08:01<jelly>that's hardly an alternative then, eh
08:02<jelly>even if someone wanted to resell a hi5 unleashed, it still has very closed FPGA bits
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08:50<Human_G33k>blast007, [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)
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08:59<NewbeeRockee>Hi!
08:59<NewbeeRockee>Anyone there?...
09:00<dvs>there's lot of people here
09:00<dvs>you just didn't ask a question yet
09:00<NewbeeRockee>Having problems installing Debian 10 Buster
09:00<NewbeeRockee>With Calamaris Installer
09:03<NewbeeRockee>Right after setting the partitions it pops up Installation Error: Failed to add partition 'New Partition'to device '/dev/sda'
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09:05<NewbeeRockee>Iḿ trying to install Debian 10 on a WD 500 MB HD with W7 on one initial partition already installed
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09:11<NewbeeRockee>I have a screenshot of the partition settings step if it is of value to show
09:12<NewbeeRockee>I did an online search to troubleshoot the issue, but was unable to find anything similar...
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09:23<trench_>NewbeeRockee: have you done a backup yet?
09:23<NewbeeRockee>You mean W7 backup?
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09:24<NewbeeRockee>yes! I did an image backup and created the W7 Installer CD
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09:40<trench_>NewbeeRockee: no, I'm talking about diskimage backup
09:40<GyrosGeier>the builtin W7 backup is "image of the system partition" + "zip file of all home directories"
09:41<trench_>NewbeeRockee: and you should remove windows 7 or upgrade it if you plan to do a dual boot. It has end of life today
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09:58<NewbeeRockee>Yes, I did the built in W7 disk image backup, auto including the reserved partition
10:01<petn-randall>HumanGeek: Your BIOS already has non-free, but older microcode in there. And the CPU probably has even older non-free microcode burned-in (not sure if that's still the case with newer CPUs). So for all practical reasons, your system isn't becoming any more non-free than before installing it.
10:01<NewbeeRockee>And yes, I want the dual boot. The reason I'm getting away from windoze is its EOL support for W7, which is happening today. But I still want to keep it for a while, as long as possible, along with Debian in a dual boot.
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10:07<NewbeeRockee>From what I read on https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows:
10:08<NewbeeRockee>As the Windows setup will most likely overwrite at least GRUB, for fresh installations it appears reasonable to install Windows first and then Debian.
10:08<GyrosGeier>with EFI, it doesn't matter
10:09<GyrosGeier>I'd probably install Linux first so I can have a bigger ESP
10:09<NewbeeRockee>So, as it is already installed, no need to do any changes on it, IMHO
10:09<GyrosGeier>also, for a laptop I prefer the default OS to be Windows
10:09<GyrosGeier>less hassle at airports
10:09<NewbeeRockee>Itś a Desktop
10:10<GyrosGeier>except once I almost missed my flight because they made me turn it on, and it started installing updates
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10:13<NewbeeRockee>In the beginning of the partition process (step), it suggests to format the whole physical disk, but I chose to manually to avoid that, as W7 is installed...
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10:15<NewbeeRockee>It's not a GPT disk.
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10:17<NewbeeRockee>And I run defragment and chkdsk the filesystem before W7 image backup.
10:18<petn-randall>NewbeeRockee: Is it UEFI, though?
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10:21<NewbeeRockee>Yep, I have a 4 TB second drive (not system C: drive). But the C: drive where sits W7 and where I want Buster along with is a 500 GB
10:23<NewbeeRockee>I have set up UECU and backwards BIOS compatibility in the "BIOS" setup
10:23<NewbeeRockee>I meant UECU = UECI
10:24<NewbeeRockee>So that W7 sees the full 4 TG drive...
10:24<NewbeeRockee>4 TB drive...
10:24<petn-randall>What is UECI?
10:24<petn-randall>You mean UEFI?
10:25<NewbeeRockee>You're right, UEFI sure...
10:25<NewbeeRockee>My typo...
10:26<petn-randall>If you're doing a fresh install of Windows 7 I'd probably even do it differently and put W7 in a VM. That way you can copy/paste between your OS and Windows, and also use both in parallel.
10:26<petn-randall>Unless you want to play video games on Windows 7, the HW acceleration with VMs is a little quirky.
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10:26<NewbeeRockee>I don play video games...
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10:27<NewbeeRockee>don't
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10:28<NewbeeRockee>I just need to use some W7 programs not yet available on Debian...
10:29<NewbeeRockee>So how we accomplish that without having to reinstall my apps on W7 again?...
10:29<petn-randall>NewbeeRockee: Then I'd go with running it in a VM. How much RAM do you have in total?
10:29<NewbeeRockee>16 GB RAm
10:30<petn-randall>Yeah, that's enough. I'd set up a VM when you've finished installing Debian.
10:30<NewbeeRockee>I like to have 32 GB, but fear my MoBo doesn't allow that...
10:30<petn-randall>Heh :)
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10:33<NewbeeRockee>VM is already enabled in the BIOS
10:34<NewbeeRockee>So how we accomplish that without having to reinstall my apps on W7 again?...
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10:38<petn-randall>Ah, it's *not* a fresh installation? Migrating a bare-metal system into a VM doesn't work in Windows 7, I've heard.
10:38<petn-randall>Or at least it's not trivial because you have to pre-emptively install the drivers for it to not bluescreen.
10:39<petn-randall>In that case it's probably easier to dualboot for now, and when you're comfortable with reinstalling you just put it in a VM.
10:39<HumanGeek>petn-randall, so its bios / cpu related ? there is good doc for learn how to disassemble this kind of binary ?
10:40<petn-randall>HumanGeek: I guess you'll have to be a CPU engineer at Intel for this to make sense to you.
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10:41<blast007>HumanGeek: sounds like the microcode is also encrypted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Microcode#Microcode_update_format
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10:45<NewbeeRockee>Well, I'm installing Debian in a box where W7 is already there for years with tens of apps and running just fine... I made an image backup of it right after running chkdsk /f and before trying to install Debian... BTW, I am right now in the live Debian from a USB stick in this same HW... So W7 will be copied (image restore) back here. If it can be done in a virtual box I think is a good idea swapping between them. Otherwise, can
10:45<NewbeeRockee>we have Debian on a virtual box?... Guess so, but not sure...
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10:48<NewbeeRockee>But if using a virtual box for either OS is not feasible, I can live with both on separate partitions, booting one at a time...
10:48<alpha123>hi
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10:50<Passerby>NewbeeRockee, I run a Win7 machine in VirtualBox. The host is a 2012 desktop. You will need to run Debian Unstable for VirtualBox, but it's a good way to go.
10:52<jmux>HumanGeek: BTW - you can start a local Win install also from Linux in a VM. I'm using that even with bitlocker enabled switching betweeen bare metal and VM.
10:55<sqrt{not}>NewbeeRockee: dual boot installing using the traditional debian installer is well tested, well documented, well understood by folks here in IRC. The calamares installer in the live-systems is pretty new, and fewer of us have any experience actually using it.
10:55<NewbeeRockee>@Passerby Im not sure I got it...
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10:56<NewbeeRockee>@Passerby So you have both W7 and Debian Unstable on a VB?...
10:57<Passerby>No, I run Debian Unstable on the hardware and W7 in VirtualBox.
10:57<Passerby>Inside Debian.
10:58<Passerby>... and it's been over a year since I fired up the Win7 virtual machine, though I did use a WinXP one a couple of weeks ago.
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10:58<NewbeeRockee>@JMux So what you did was Install Debian and on top of it a virtual box with W7 on it, right?...
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11:00<NewbeeRockee>@Passerby OK, now I got it... So you mean I could do the same with Debian 10 Stable, right?...
11:01<Passerby>I don't think VirtualBox is supported in Stable.
11:01<Passerby>But there are alternatives.
11:02<jmux>NewbeeRockee: no - I have a laptop with a Win10 partition from my employer with 50% left for Linux.
11:03<jmux>So I installed Debian in th 2nd partition. Depending on the work to do I either start Windows from bare metal or the KVM virt manager.
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11:08<NewbeeRockee>@JMux OK, I got it... Yeah, I hate W10 and that's not an option for me...
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11:12<jmux>NewbeeRockee: but generally KVM + virt-manager works just fine for me with Win7 and Win10, if you want to use Debian Stable
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11:16<tw>jmux: does it complain about activation every boot you switch in that configuration?
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11:16<GyrosGeier>IIRC there is a way to pass through the Windows licence
11:16<GyrosGeier>it lives in an ACPI table
11:18<NewbeeRockee>@JMux So how to accomplish that?... Where I get the details, instructions and guide to go through this process?...
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11:19<jmux>tw: no. The only thing that happens is the graphics driver reset (NVIDIA in bare metal, QXL in KVM)
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11:20<jmux>NewbeeRockee: good question. I never wrote anything explicit down and just found the bits and pieces online.
11:21<jmux>The main parts are:
11:22<jmux>1. you need two additional virtual "disks" in Linux. One SATA and one USB.
11:22<jmux>The USB disk is used by Windows to store the bitlocker key
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11:23<jmux>The SATA disk is used, so Windows keeps the SATA driver around while I use VirtIO in KVM
11:24<jmux>There is some group policy, which is needed to allow the USB key in addition to the TPM for unlocking.
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11:27<jmux>2. you should also use full disk encryption for linux, so the bitlocker virtual USB key is secure
11:29<jmux>The SATA disk doesn't need any formating. The USB disk is VFAT AFAIK. Can't remember, if it was formatted by the bitlocker recovery setup or not.
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11:29<jmux>Just don't forward the TPM in the KVM setup. That is just used for the bare metal boot.
11:31<jmux>Probably you could somehow manage to use different TPM slots for either bare-metal or KVM start, but I didn't find anything to do this, when I set this up months ago.
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11:33<jmux>Those virtual disks are just 10 MB size.
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11:36<jmux>And regarding Windows activation. This is some enterprise managed setup and license. I have no idea, if there is some VM restriction, either in SW or licence.
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11:49<jmux>NewbeeRockee: https://shulerent.com/2012/09/04/locking-down-a-virtual-machine-with-bitlocker/ is what I used for bitlocker setup
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12:02<wad>hello
12:03<wad>i recently installed this os on a laptop and it does not have Terminal. can anyone help me?
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12:05<GyrosGeier>ow
12:05<wad>yeah i know
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12:09<wad>i recently installed this os on a laptop and it does not have Terminal. can anyone help me?
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12:16<jhutchins_wk>!repeat
12:16<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:18<galacticus>yoyo!
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12:41<lucianovm>Procurei putarias não achei.
12:41<lucianovm>Como usa isso?
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12:42<lucianovm>piper como usa isso?
12:43<lucianovm>Alguém pode responder?
12:44<lucianovm>Someone can answer?
12:44<lucianovm>How use this?
12:44<berto>!pt
12:44<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:45<lucianovm>#debian-pt
12:45<lucianovm>Usei.
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12:45<lucianovm>Aconteceu nada.
12:46<bremner>try #debian-br, it could be more popular
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13:09<machen>woo woo
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13:16<demoPaul>Hi there. Just trying out MX Linux 19 on an old laptop. Want to make sure I can get wifi working b4 install. It has Broadcom BCM4311 card.
13:17<demoPaul>How can I get this working in Live mode?
13:17<bremner>!mx
13:17<dpkg>it has been said that mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
13:17<bremner>sigh.
13:17<bremner>!mx-linux
13:18<bremner>!mx linux
13:18<dpkg>MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
13:18<jhutchins_wk>!derived from debian
13:18<bremner>there ya go, see the url above
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13:18<jhutchins_wk>!based on debian
13:18<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
13:19<demoPaul>dpkg: Thx saw HexChat is integrated, thought I'd give it a go.
13:19<dpkg>demoPaul: okay
13:19<sqrt{not}>dpkg, forget Thx saw HexChat
13:19<dpkg>sqrt{not}: i forgot thx saw hexchat
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13:20<demoPaul>dpkg: I'm more used to Mint where HexChat takes you where you should be.
13:20<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, demoPaul
13:20<sqrt{not}>demoPaul: dpkg is a bot
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13:20<demoPaul>Ooops!
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13:22<machen>is fbx the feds?
13:23<sqrt{not}>demoPaul: if you want to try out debian on your old laptop, we know how to help you with that
13:24<machen>another convert
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13:24<machen>wellcome to the church of linux
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13:25<zapotah_>hi, im trying to figure out whats going on with backports
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13:25<drakonis>windows 7 is dead
13:25<zapotah_>linux-image-5.4.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned -> 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1 with priority 500
13:26<zapotah_>that is _definitely_ not a package
13:26<machen>windows 7 is alive
13:27<bremner>please keep the OT chatter to a minimum when someone is actually trying to get help
13:28<machen>who needs help?
13:28<drakonis>sounds alright
13:28<zapotah_>im trying to figure out why im not pulling updates from buster-backports
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13:28<machen>i read altright :)
13:28<drakonis>haw
13:28<drakonis>please.
13:28<drakonis>i'll take it elsewhere now
13:29<sqrt{not}>unsigned means it is in process, but not yet released, AFAIK
13:29-!-mode/#debian [+o bremner] by ChanServ
13:30<machen>I <3 debian
13:30<zapotah>sqrt{not}: the weird thing is, i dont have the unsigned package installed
13:31-!-mode/#debian [+q machen!*@*] by bremner
13:31<zapotah>https://paste.debian.net/1125999/
13:31<zapotah>thats whats installed
13:31<zapotah>but it is most definitely not the latest package in buster-backports
13:32<zapotah>apt-cache policy sees linux-image-5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 -> 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 with priority 500
13:32<zapotah>that is the latest signed image
13:33<zapotah>i feel like theres a very broken dependency somewhere
13:33<zapotah>but thats my hunch
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13:34<zapotah>http://paste.debian.net/1126000/
13:34<zapotah>those are the header files
13:35<zapotah>linux-image-5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 -> 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 with priority 500
13:35<zapotah>that should pin the image package to the same as default
13:35<zapotah>yet its not installing
13:36<sqrt{not}>zapotah: why do you have those 5.4.0 backport things ?
13:36<zapotah>that is a very good question
13:37<zapotah>the 5.4 headers seem like theyre the latest linux-headers package
13:37<zapotah>somehow
13:37<zapotah>yeah
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13:38<zapotah>so is this some kind of a packaging fubar from backports?
13:38<zapotah>theyve linked the backports source to the testing/unstable branch instead of the actual backports branch?
13:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 641] by debhelper
13:39<zapotah>backports headers source*
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13:40<zapotah>yes, thats whats happening here somehow
13:41<zapotah>there is a versioned link to the current bpo kernel and somehow theyve managed to release the 5.4.8 as the current bpo headers -.-
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13:43<zapotah>and packages.debian.org gives internal server errors galore with backports
13:44<zapotah>somethings very wrong with backports
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13:45<sqrt{not}>zapotah: can you show your sources.list file[s] ?
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13:49<sqrt{not}>hmmm, 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1 is current buster-backports headers version, 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 is current buster-bpo image version
13:50<zapotah>sqrt{not}: im fairly sure the build systems source is linked to master instead of the branch
13:51<jhutchins_wk>zapotah: Are you using -t buster-backports?
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13:51<zapotah>jhutchins_wk: yes, im doing some manual stuff here
13:51<zapotah>and trying to find all the releases...
13:51<jhutchins_wk>zapotah: The system won't update things that aren't specifically requested.
13:51<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
13:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
13:51<judd>(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
13:51<zapotah>jhutchins_wk: it will if you pin them
13:52<zapotah>which is what ive done
13:52<zapotah>thus im confused as to why this keeps being broken somehow
13:52<jhutchins_wk>zapotah: There is a reason that's not the default. You will probably break things.
13:52<jhutchins_wk>zapotah: Oh, look, you already did.
13:52<zapotah>no
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13:53<zapotah>had i messed it up, i would have some kind of an idea what is going on here
13:53<zapotah>but this makes no sense
13:53<sqrt{not}>zapotah: the source for 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1 has been accepted into backports. the compiled binaries have not yet been accepted from what I can see
13:54<sqrt{not}>zapotah: you have to wait for the toolchain, and the approvals, and eventually a binary of that version will appear in backports
13:54<zapotah>that headers build is still most likely a mistake
13:55<zapotah>and if i dig in deep enough, theres a dependency issue with the 5.3 backport image package
13:55<zapotah>meh, ill fix this manually
13:55<zapotah>itll catch up eventually
13:55<zapotah>and hopefully intels drivers too...
13:55<zapotah>they still import everything and the kitchen sink to the driver
13:56<zapotah>even stuff which syscalls have been moved ages ago
13:56<zapotah>at least its not broadcom where i need to custom patch their driver myself
13:56<zapotah>-.-
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13:58<machen>:)
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14:00<debcurious>Hi Debian.
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14:01<debcurious>Question. How do you list the installed packages that are provided by some source package. For example ncurses source provides, "libtinfo6:amd64" but it is not obvious from the name. I'm looking for something like.. "get_installed_packages_from_source_package ncurses" and that list will contain, "libtinfo6:amd64"
14:02<machen>autocad works on debian?
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14:03<jimpop>machen: Mac and Windows
14:04<machen>i didnt ask you
14:04<jimpop>ok
14:04<zapotah>so ultimately, theres a dkms dependency there and since it cant find the corresponding meta-package version and skips from 5.2 to 5.4, it cant figure out to install the intermediate image from the backports
14:04<zapotah>or somesuch
14:05<zapotah>packaging is sometimes such chicken bones and pentagrams that im amazed that it works for some packages at all >.<
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14:11<sqrt{not}>debcurious: you can do that interactively with the packages.debian.org website. scroll down to "search package directories", type in ncurses, select "source package names" and click search.
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14:12<sqrt{not}>debcurious: then on the results page, click "show nn binary packages", and it will give you the list
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14:17<debcurious>sqrt{not}: thanks for the quick response! I found a not ideal way (because it involves awk'ng but i guess is ok for now... I wish there was a better scripted way...
14:17<debcurious>sqrt{not}: dpkg-query -W -f='${Source:Package}\t${binary:Package}\n' | awk '$1 == "ncurses" {print $2}' libncursesw6:amd64 libtinfo6:amd64 ncurses-base ncurses-bin
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15:22<anarcat>i'm going to buy a new motherboard and i'm wondering if the Realtek RTL8111H chipset requires non-free firmware
15:23<anarcat>i see it's not in the realtek-firmware package, but it's mentioned in the r8168-dkms package description
15:23<sney>I'm not aware of any realtek chips that don't require firmware
15:24<anarcat>well that's a bad start :p
15:24<anarcat>how about intel?
15:24<sney>intel wifi needs firmware, but wired doesn't always
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15:26<anarcat>this is the one i'm considering right now https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf
15:26<anarcat>the design on that thing reminds me of idiocracy
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15:26<anarcat>"Intel GbE LAN with cFosSpeed Internet Accelerator"
15:27<anarcat>what does that even mean
15:27<sney>hardware marketing has always been pretty funny
15:27<anarcat>yeah
15:29<sney>that's most likely to be e1000e which doesn't need firmware
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15:34<machen>try fwup
15:35<petn-randall>e1000e has other bugs, though. Namely that it drops the MII link when trying to change the MAC address. So MAC randomization with network-manager doesn't work, since it detects a media link drop and then reset the connection.
15:36<machen>fwupdmgr get-updates No updatable devices
15:37<anarcat>petn-randall: thanks, but that shouldn't be an issue here
15:37<machen>fwupdmgr get-devices show 2 updatable
15:37<anarcat>this is for a basement server :)
15:37<machen>?
15:38<machen>why isnt it updating?
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15:43<petn-randall>machen: "Updatable" means it's capable of receiving updates via fwupdmgr, not that there are updates available.
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15:44<machen>no it means there are new firmware
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15:45<petn-randall>Seems like you know what you're talking about.
15:45<machen>i suppose the vendors didnt upload it to lvfs
15:47<petn-randall>Hmm, all of my 12 listed devices are marked as "updatable". And checking by hand shows that the EFI bios is the current version.
15:47<petn-randall>I don't think it would make much sense to show an update and not make it available via lvs.
15:48<machen>only 2 of my devices show up
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15:49<petn-randall>Are they all marked as updatable?
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15:49<machen>both are
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15:50<machen>one there a windows exe file
15:50<sqrt{not}>machen: also, RTFM, which agrees with petn-randall
15:50<machen>on the vendor site
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15:50<petn-randall>What does `fwupdmgr update` give you as output? Can you share it on https://paste.debian.net?
15:51<machen>gives 2 devices
15:51<machen>fwupdmgr get-devices
15:52<machen>fwupdmgr update No updatable devices
15:53<machen>but im sure you are right
15:53<machen>dont mind me
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15:55<machen>actually fwup looks like something that could go horrblly wrong
15:56<machen>must be a NSA MIL sort of thing
15:56<sney>if your device is working as expected then there's no reason to go out of your way to update the firmware
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15:57<petn-randall>Yes, before fwupdmgr things were really easy and great for updating firmware. And then some people sat together and thought "How could we not make it so?".
15:57<machen>i cant imagine the power of bricking any hardawre at will
15:58<petn-randall>machen: Could you show me how you'd brick your hw with fwupdmgr?
15:59<machen>i cant be the people behind it could
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15:59<machen>they even running a deamond for firmware updates
15:59<machen>deamon
16:00<petn-randall>Cool beans. Do you have any Debian questions?
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16:38<ray>Does anyone know how to activate cinammon? Debian testing, I have cinnamon packages installed.
16:38<towo`>activate?
16:38<ray>run it instead of gdm3
16:39<towo`>you can start it from gdm3
16:39<towo`>gdm3 is only a DM, not a DE like gnome or cinnamon
16:39<ray>I tried cinnamon --replace, I get a seg fault
16:39<towo`>no!
16:39<towo`>you choose it on gdm
16:40<towo`>at best, you configure gdm3 to not run on wayland
16:40<towo`>and btw, you are in the wrong channel for problems in debian testing
16:40<ray>Give me a little info, how do I choose it. With gdm3 I have no menues or anything
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16:41<towo`>sure you have, on top right
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16:42<ray>only things on top right are network, power etc
16:42<blast007>ray: is there a little gear icon next to the login button?
16:42<ray>no little gear
16:42<towo`>ah, yes, top right is lightdm, gdm ha that gear
16:43<sqrt{not}>that little gear icon should be next to the password entering field
16:43<ray>ok I have to logout and relogin
16:44<ray>What irc channel for my questions, my first time on irc
16:46<towo`>what about reading the topic?
16:46<towo`>should be allways the first what you should do on every channel
16:47<ray>debian-offtopic ?
16:47<ray>ok I see debian-next
16:47<towo`>problems with reading?
16:47<ray>will move there
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16:52<jhutchins_wk>towo`: Basic system problems are fine here, we really only need to redirect version-specific issues.
16:53<towo`>cinnamon from testing is not a basic problem
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20:59<NewbeeRockee>@sqrt{not} Thank you for the tip! But how can one tell which Installer is in a Debian iso file?.. My choice of iso was made based on the DT environment. From what I read about, KDE Plasma was my choice to give it a shot. And this iso happened to ha Calamares as its installer, I had no choice...
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21:04<NewbeeRockee>My bottom line is: how can I install Debian on a dual boot on a DT PC with W7 Pro installed yeas ago and up and running working (so far so good). I'm not ready to rid and rip it. Not yet...
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21:19<sney>NewbeeRockee: only debian live uses calamares, so don't download a live image if that's not what you want
21:19<sney>!netinst
21:19<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
21:20<sney>if you have a network connection that will work during the install, use the netinst. it is the most commonly used installer image and is more efficient because it only downloads packages that you specifically need for your selected environment.
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21:26<NewbeeRockee>@sney, @dpkg Thank you both! Will give it a try...
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