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#debian IRC Logs for 2020-07-31

---Logopened Fri Jul 31 00:00:22 2020
---Daychanged Fri Jul 31 2020
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00:01-!-gal is "Alexandre François Garreau,,," on #debian
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00:01-!-bolt is "-" on #suckless #qemu #oftc #sd #debian #debian-next #virt
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00:31-!-hbautista is "Héctor" on #debian-mx #debian #osm-es #oclug @#archlinux #debian-es
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01:24-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian-next #debian-social #debian-meeting #debian
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03:16<Linux77>0.668595] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
03:17<Linux77>on the past i have found a bug in freebsd gcc, now i need some help to report this
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03:43-!-Linux77 is "Leonardo, Araújo Lima de" on #debian-social #debian-next #debian #cap-cc #asl-br
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05:16<sakax>hi all - I have buster running on my machine since release
05:16<sakax>I now want to add a 2nd hdd and would like to have it included in the same encrypted LVM
05:16<sakax>is this possible?
05:17<sakax>can someone help me finding proper documentation on how to do this as I am no technical expert
05:17<sakax>all was set up via the debian installer which is quite n00b friendly
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05:17<sakax>not sure where to begin now
05:17<sakax>my main home partition on disk 1 is ext4
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05:18<sakax>the 2nd hdd I would like to have as ntfs if possible and being unlocked with same password prompted at boot
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05:22<pumpernickel>sakax so do you want it to be in the same lvm? or ntfs? it can't be both
05:23<sakax>hi pumpernickel - then i would like to have it in the same lvm (ignore ntfs)
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05:25<pumpernickel>!lvm
05:25<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
05:26<sakax>ok let me do some reading
05:27<jm_>i don't know about encryption, but with lvm you create a new PV and extend existing VG with it, then you can extend LV and finally filesystem
05:27<jm_>but note that in such case if one disk fails you will most likely have to say goodbye to all data
05:27<pumpernickel>https://wiki.debian.org/LVM sakax :) that should give you the right direction how to add the disk
05:29<pumpernickel>this is what I also don't know anymore. as the encrypted disk would need to be decrypted, so which means there would be 2 password fields when booting probably
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05:30<sakax>so let me decompose the technical language... am I right that i want to include a new PV into my existing VG, and my 2nd new hdd for data storage only will be LV into the VG
05:30<sakax>? :)
05:31<sakax>jm_: what are alternative solutions to avoid losing all data but still having the new disk encrypted?
05:32<jm_>sakax: well you could simply create a new FS and mount it somewhere
05:32<October>make a backup of your data
05:32<sakax>jm_: i can also encrypt the new FS?
05:33<pumpernickel>yeah you have 3 options, add it to the lvm which would then destroy all data, if one disk fails, have 2 encrypted disks on it own, or mirror the data (raid1)
05:33<sakax>ok, lets go for 2 separate encrypted disks
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05:34<jm_>sakax: sure, you can do LUKS or FS encryption
05:34<pumpernickel>!luks
05:34<dpkg>Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/ https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/wikis/home . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://sf.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/ and <ext2read>.
05:35<annadane>jm_, what does VG stand for? volume group?
05:36<pumpernickel>yup
05:36<jm_>annadane: yeah, volume group, PV = physical volume, LV = logical volume
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06:03<Linux77>friends, i have found some strange things here
06:04<Linux77>i tryed build modules for nvidia with module assistant but it ś fail and bbswitch too
06:05<Linux77>the system sayd something related to bbswitch source and nvidia-kernel source are not build correctly
06:05<Linux77>if any can gimme some tip about, at any way, very thanks!
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06:07<jm_>binary only nvidia driver? that one uses dkms these days
06:07<Linux77>ah, i am very deactualized
06:08<Linux77>i am reading to try follow the actual evolution of linux systems
06:09<Linux77>some things with i know is not used more
06:13<Linux77>is occurring some strange on OFTC network, the server is disconecting and connecting, but i stay connected
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06:14<Linux77>i am using an ssl key, maybe some wrong!
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06:20<Linux77>in lsmod i don 't see nvidia module, but glx is working fine, may i can made something wrong?
06:20<jm_>perhaps it's using nouveau driver, check your x log
06:21<Linux77>ok, i take a look on it, very thanks
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06:22<Linux77>is using framebuffer driver
06:23<Linux77>i remember at past i use it on my slakware, but it have a lot of time
06:23<Linux77>i need setup other driver to better support or resources?
06:23<jm_>then it's all done in software, i.e. slow ;)
06:25<Linux77>this note have nvidia and intel vido, i tryed install bumblebee, but i don't know if it's right!
06:25<Linux77>how i can test do discover it? thanks!
06:26<jm_>check http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
06:26<Linux77>i take a look , very thanks!
06:28<October>Linux77: here are some commands that I used to install my nvidia driver https://termbin.com/sago it's NOT a list of steps!! just commands I used maybe not in logical order
06:29<Linux77>ok friend, i take a look now
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06:32<Linux77>i had installed bumblebee and primus like in official docs
06:33<Linux77>i reboot now to test if it's ok, very thanks cool friends
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07:01<Linux77>frinds i follow debian bumblebee with atention on all steps, and i receive these error: [ 692.899459] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU drive, if any can gimme a tip about?
07:01<Linux77>i already had edited bumblebee.conf
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07:01<Linux77>and put KernelDriver like debian wiki shows
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07:18<October>Linux77: maybe this page will help?? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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07:22<October>install package nvidia-detect and it might tell you what driver you need
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07:30<October>if you are using gdm3 with an nivida driver, you probably need to uncomment the "WaylandEnable=false" line in the file /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
07:30<pumpernickel>October that should happen automatically
07:30<October>it didn't for me
07:31<pumpernickel>hm interesting
07:31<October>i had to manually do it
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07:33<October>I'm using the newest nvidia driver... 440.100
07:34<October>and man it was a pain to get that working right
07:34<October>mainly because I didn't know what I was doing
07:37<jm_>and no-one here told you that nvidia non-free driver can't do wayland?
07:37<October>it was turned on.. the line was commented... and it did not work right
07:39<October>i'm using gdm3 with gnome... I was told that I had to use x server instead
07:39<October>which is what I am using now I think and everything works great
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07:46<October>oh... someone told me that. which is why I turned it off
07:49<October>jm_: it was YOU who told me about that. lol.. I looked at the chat log
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07:51<jm_>right, I was going to say I would have told you about it :)
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07:55<October>from looking at my notes, it seemed the reason it was a big pain to get it working was because I had installed the non-backports driver first, which had also installed the normal headers and when I installed the backports driver the normal headers were still there and it took a while to figure that out and install the backports headers so the driver would install
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07:56<jm_>the fact that driver was from bpo is not so important, but your kernel was probably from bpo and you need matching headers
07:57<pumpernickel>is there a need for a newer kernel when using nvidia? I always thought it would be irrelevant as the nvidia driver provides the driver stuff
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07:59<October>I don't recall installing a backports kernel, but I dunno, maybe I did at some point
07:59<October>Linux debian 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:01<jm_>then I can't see why you would need bpo headers
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08:03<October>oh... I think I accidentally installed the backports headers... then I had to do this command to install the right ones... apt-get -t buster install linux-headers-amd64
08:05<October>yeah, I'm pretty sure that is what happened now
08:07<October>this is the commands I saved from all my installing stuff... I didn't see anything where I installed backport headers... https://termbin.com/sago but I must have since there was that apt-get command in there
08:09<pumpernickel>sounds like maybe you didn't had headers installed at all ;)
08:09<October>I remember there was a big issue with having the wrong headers installed
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08:09<pumpernickel>ahh okay
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08:18<October>so when I was installing my video driver, I did this command: systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal ... but I just tried to look at the logs and they are looking like they are binary format... how do I read them?
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08:22<jm_>journalctl command
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08:27<October>I have a bunch of lines like this for several services: Jul 31 02:35:45 debian gsd-housekeepin[1546]: Failed to enumerate children of /var/tmp/systemd-private-e7659f24f12a46ba8f34fda22628c99f-upower.service-E5eC1k: Error opening directory '/var/tmp/systemd-private-e7659f24f12a46ba8f34fda22628c99f-upower.service-E5eC1k': Permission denied
08:28<October>I see that in syslog also
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08:33<October>just looking at the journal logs, they are full of almost nothing but lines like that
08:34<jm_>maybe check bug reports for that package
08:34<October>the permissions on those files is 700 root:root
08:37<October>they are actually directories not files and each one has a tmp directory underneath with nothing in them
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08:41<October>I am wondering if maybe the group is wrong or if the gsd-housekeeping needs more permissions... I searched the bug reports for "Failed to enumerate children" and if cound nothing
08:41<October>*found
08:44<jm_>another option is that it has no business looking there :)
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09:27<October>this seems like it might not be up to date... https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/rpc.en.html
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09:51<znoteer>any one know why 'dpkg -l "*"' doesnt't turn up flightgear? If I open up aptitude, I can see flightgear in the list of available packages
09:51<GyrosGeier>is it installed?
09:51<markybob>dpkg -l shows installed, no available
09:51<dpkg>No packages found matching shows installed, no available
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09:52<markybob>not*
09:52<GyrosGeier>"available" is dpkg's database
09:52<GyrosGeier>not sure if apt still updates that
09:52<GyrosGeier>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 117167 Jun 12 2019 /var/lib/dpkg/available
09:53<GyrosGeier>I'd say "probably not"
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09:53<znoteer>GyrosGeier: no, it isn't installed. But, other packages with the status "un" show up in dpkg -l
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10:00<GyrosGeier>znoteer, because these are known to dpkg
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10:01<GyrosGeier>this is from the before-fore times
10:01<GyrosGeier>dpkg has a list of "available" packages, and "dselect update" updates that
10:01<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, GyrosGeier
10:02<GyrosGeier>or rather, selecting the "Update the package lists" menu entry in dselect does
10:03<GyrosGeier>when you select and unselect packages in dselect, it updates dpkg's database of what should and should not be installed
10:03<GyrosGeier>that is what gets used when you tell dpkg to install a set of package files, but only if they should be installed
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10:03<GyrosGeier>most of these mechanisms are atavisms now
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10:04<GyrosGeier>but that is the reason why dpkg prints "selecting previously deselected package ..." when you install something new
10:05<GyrosGeier>it gets an unconditional install request from apt, and updates its own database
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10:35<xnaas>is there anything built into Debian that still uses python2?
10:35<pumpernickel>xnaas sure
10:35<pumpernickel>or do you mean the base install?
10:35<xnaas>base
10:36<pumpernickel>then no
10:36<xnaas>alright, I didn't think so, but wanted to make sure!
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10:37<bremner>of course the "base install" is pretty small.
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11:01<Linux77>very thanks friends i follow our tips and maybe the trouble with nvidia is solved, i have some doubts but my nvidia uses and olde legacy driver and i can't put nvidia-persistenced to work but appear works better!
11:02<Linux77>excuse my english i need pratice more.
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11:09<Linux77>friends i want share one tip with i think and put in pratice, a made an small change in bashrc to read one .bash_functions script and it' export some useful functions to shell environment, if any can do the same the result is good!
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11:41<chaos_proxy>Hi, I hope this is the appropriate chan for some help. I've a router with a built-in smb/cifs share feature. When I _mount_ the share (ie mount.cifs), I can't copy (reports 0kb free). However, if I _instead_ connect via _smb_ protocol (ie smb://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/user/path) I can copy fine to it. It persists across 2 different clients. Anyone got a clue why?
11:42<pumpernickel>chaos_proxy what's your mount option?
11:42<pumpernickel>command
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11:44<chaos_proxy>pumpernickel: mount opts: user,vers=1.0,user=XXX,password=XXX,uid=1000,gid=1000,nobrl,iocharset=utf8
11:45<chaos_proxy>It's not compatible with smb v2.x
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11:46<pumpernickel>hm :/ I don't even use that many options ;) normally user is for me sufficient :/
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11:51<chaos_proxy>pumpernickel: I'm using that many coz I spent the last three days fighting with it XD. Problem is the router is a router and closed (if I flash it, goodbye warranty).
11:52<pumpernickel>yeah I get you. I can only say, it worked for me always fine :/ that's why I can't help you too much
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12:01<chaos_proxy>pumpernickel: Meh, thanks for trying. Maybe I should just buy an R'PI so I can control the server settings myself. Dunno what firmware that router runs.
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12:03<nvz>chaos_proxy: I just bought recently for US$15 on ebay an NETGEAR WNR3500L which I had one before.. but they'll run most firmwares like tomato USB and such, they have USB and gigabit switches, decent hardware, and you dont necessarily have to use it as a router, but you can install pretty much anything on it via optware
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12:04<nvz>I think its a good cheap solution for such things as they're often readily available cheap on ebay.. cheaper than a pi, card, cord, etc..
12:05<nvz>thin clients are also nice if you want something more expensive with more power
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12:07<nvz>I got a HP T520 here with 8GB ram, USB3, runs debian great.. can support 42mm m.2 sata ssd, and has a minipcie slot for additional hardware.. I got a Intel 7260 bt/wifi card in mine right now
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12:19<chaos_proxy>nvz: Thanks, I've been thinking about another router too, just in my country (RSA), I can't get a cheap router (I have to pay S&H plus tax on foreign stuff). But maybe one of our local retailers will have a sale. I haven't given up yet as xmas approaches, so stock clearance begins.
12:22<nvz>chaos_proxy: yeah I often find companies getting rid of old thin clients to get newer ones.. though you really gotta check the specs on em.. like this HP T520 I got is great, everything works well but the 510 was all VIA based and is total crap
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12:23<nvz>I just have never been impressed with the pi stuff so far, and you need a lot more than just the board to make any use of em
12:24<nvz>the whole kits wind up costing ya what something better would
12:25<devnull>@nvz is there any thin clients who draw less power? those HP's are 65w, a bit high imo
12:25<devnull>great capable machine for its price tho i admit
12:26<devnull>sorry im a complete n00b and am basically looking for something that will run debian + pi hole with no desktop running
12:29<pumpernickel>if it's only pihole I guess an older pi could make it. as the electricity is way cheaper to pay for a pi than a full desktop. so you always need to wager that also abit :/
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12:31<nvz>yeah idk, wouldnt you need two nics for this pi hole thing?
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12:31<nvz>never ran it so idk..
12:32<pumpernickel>i don't think so as it was designed for the pi
12:32<devnull>no you dont need two nics. to run a router like debian vyos then yea
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12:33<devnull>pi hole is just some fancy dns
12:34<chaos_proxy>nvz: Not really. I can connect the PI to the router and use it as a regular server (the PI). I already have my main storage server connected to my router. Would just like a mini server with a thumb-drive for work-stuff for portability.
12:34<nvz>I have been doing most my computing these days on a two Lenovo 2013era thinkpads.. a T440 and X240 and they are available relatively cheap online these days.. especially if you dont really care much about their specs or physical condition. They are incredibly low power.. I can use this T440 with debian desktop, wifi, keyboard lit up, external drive plugged in, etc.. for like 16hrs on a charge.. cause it only
12:34<nvz>draws about 5w
12:35<nvz>I think the max draw of these machines is around 15w.. and if you dont have the diplay on.. thats gonna drop power consumption significantly..
12:36<chaos_proxy>Funny about power, the number of times I've thought of trying to flash my phone next upgrade. I saw someone able to install one of the *BSDs on a mobile years back.
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12:37<devnull>Ill check those out I do want another simple laptop but Im looking for something without a battery for pi hole
12:37<devnull>since its gonna b on 24/7
12:38<devnull>it'll kill any battery pretty quick
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12:39<chaos_proxy>devnull: Anything that draws less than 5V 2A and has a micro USB power supply can be powered off a laptop. It's like a giant battery, XD
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12:40<nvz>yeah I for awhile was using these laptops as a battery for my phone regularly.. I got 96Wh total in this T440 with the 24Wh internal and 72Wh external battery.. and the machine itself under casual normal use conditions only draws about 5w so I can wander off all day without worrying about power
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12:42<devnull>coolcool ill check em out
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12:43<chaos_proxy>I've also tried daisy-chaining powerbanks, but it gets quite hot... Especially when there's all the duct tape holding them in a stack. Won't be doing that twice -_-
12:43<nvz>my only complaint is these models had a buttonless touchpad.. I got the one in the T440 swapped out for a 3 button one.. but havent gotten around to putting one in the x240 yet
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12:46<devnull>haha so we're going farrr back with those
12:46<devnull>tapping on the pad doesnt click?
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13:32<vikingr84>Hej! Anyone know howto get knowledge about internal SD-Card on ANDROID10? - Are there XDA-Developers around?
13:32<sney>this is #debian, are you lost?
13:32<vikingr84>You have the right channel, sney?
13:33<vikingr84>I looked up xda-dev, there is no one online.
13:34<sney>this channel is for tech support for debian, not miscellaneous technical questions. go to the right channel and be patient
13:34<amelia>vikingr84: Try #xda-dev?
13:34<vikingr84>I am using debian since 2004 on thinkpadR51- for 8 years? Now got some faster HP-840 notebook, again using that. I am at Linux bunker 5.3.10-towo.1-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT siduction 5.3-10 (2019-11-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:35<vikingr84>amelia: Thanks- i am the only one there. XD
13:35<sney>vikingr84: but you're asking about android. ask your android questions in an android channel. (if the one on oftc is empty, try freenode.)
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13:35<amelia>Ah -- there goes my "you might need to be patient, timezones, other stuff happening, etc." bit -- maybe try a post on https://www.xda-developers.com
13:36<vikingr84>sney: I got that. I am at Konversation and freenode is actually there activated. Is there some IRC-diagnosis tool- that can search channels on several servers with keywords like "android, xda, developers", etc?
13:37<sney>hexchat has a channel search in the 'sever' menu, and any client has access to /list
13:37<vikingr84>amelia: Thank you very much. You're comment enlightent me. Sometimes it's hard to go on the ordinary path. Maybe i try the forum, because other people may profit from common question beeing answered public.
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13:37<amelia>vikingr84: /list will give you all the channels in the network, otherwise you could try searching something like https://netsplit.de/channels/
13:37<sney>I think freenode has a channel search bot but you'd have to look at their website
13:38<amelia>vikingr84: I believe the forum is fairly active still, your best bet is likely asking there :) Lycka till!
13:39<towo`>vikingr84, "Linux bunker 5.3.10-towo.1-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT siduction 5.3-10 (2019-11-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux" <= thats nor debian, nor debian stable
13:40<sney>haha, must be a trip having someone's uname output trigger a highlight :D
13:41<towo`>sney, i'm the packager of that kernels ;) in siduction
13:41<vikingr84>amelia: That's you making me using the Linux kernel again for fun! THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I will try to find some android channel for my questions-
13:41<towo`>so, jes, i have a trigger to my nickname set
13:41<towo`>s/j/y
13:41<vikingr84>towo: Isn't that a debian derivate? Used at some time "aptosid" when this was there- just for fun? I often used normal debian-installations.
13:42<sney>odd how the people who make a big deal about "I'VE USED DEBIAN SINCE 2004" etc have such a vague understanding of what is/isn't debian.
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13:43<towo`>vikingr84, it's a derivate of debian unstable, but that channel is for debian stable, not for any other derivate
13:43<towo`>that's why that channel is called debian
13:44<vikingr84>sney: And i just wanted to tell- that people coming with unrelated stuff about developing, like that's not a derivate, thats a .... are just annoying someone like me? ... I was trying osX from 2013 to 2018- and while that's a rocksolid thing, i decided to go the more freeway again... At osX you will never find this type of people talking about unproductive questions. Deliver a better a better answer, if you like!
13:44<vikingr84>XD
13:44<vikingr84>towo: unstable, yes- for user's that want's the newest. So i got the fine difference- of debian-channel wants mostly stable questions.
13:45<towo`>vikingr84, only your system is neither a real unstable, nor actual
13:45<towo`>your kernel is ancient and not supported anymore
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13:46<sney>vikingr84: heh? I'm the one with the problem because you were too entitled to go to the right place for your question? uh, ok
13:46<vikingr84>towo: I have some "unify video surveillance system" on that- and some steam with csgo- nothing so special. maybe i update in time!
13:47<sney>anyway, keep it on topic for #debian or someone will come along in a bit and ban you.
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13:47<vikingr84>sney: no problem. If you like you can answer the question: "Would it be worth to install debian on apple-12-notebook hardware, and what is with Microsoft Go Tablet?" --- I owned first that little apple-device and sold it to someone install arch? on that- now i have for backup and rescue reasons? also some Microsoft tablet, nearby....
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13:48<vikingr84>sney: relax man.
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13:53<vikingr84>Anyone know how much users are still on debian? And what would be an argument to go vs mcOS-users? Someone told me, that they have a more excellent security system, etc ... Is it technically more advanced, like they market that? What is with debian vs Win10? Are there benchmarks on common usage-scenarios?
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13:58<sney>!popcon
13:58<dpkg>hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
13:58<sney>plug something like 'bash' into that website for a rough overview of how many debian installs are in the wild
14:00<sney>asking what OS is "better" or "more advanced" or "more excellent security system" is too vague for anything but subjective answers.
14:02<vikingr84>Thanks for that "counting package installation tip". I once had known that program. Just i guess they often use more today more known shuttleworth-os, while i liked to keep original. How are you doing with that? Porting packages from derivates in users packages for desktop-power-use?
14:03<sney>what?
14:03<vikingr84>Are there packages from derivates from debian, you like to use on debian themselves?
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14:05<sney>debian derivatives mostly use debian's packages. even ubuntu mostly rebuilds the same stuff, unmodified. is that your question?
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14:06<vikingr84>About. My question is- how many advantages the derivates, despite from better documentary, because of a much larger userbase, they have. I guess every package of a derivate can be used, with some effort on plain debian itself?
14:07<pumpernickel>vikingr84 why do you think derivates have more users oO?
14:07<vikingr84>Maybe that's a subjective thing, pumpernickel- just all the university and users there try the shuttleworth-os only ...
14:08<sney>a lot of derivative "advantages" are imaginary. mostly they just push releases more often, and slap on some custom themes
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14:08<sney>debian's archive is bigger, our userbase is more established, and if you have a weird problem it's more likely you'll get useful support.
14:09<vikingr84>sney: exactly what i thought- because they build on opensource and this is available not exclusively on one derivate only ... So there are no real arguments, despite of release-policies to use something else then debian?
14:09<sney>ofc it's subjective and different things are appropriate in different scenarios
14:09<sney>yes, because of free software, any clown can fork debian and distribute their own OS
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14:11<vikingr84>Maybe olieske@techfak.net should be convinced to go from shuttleworth to plain debian, what i would much more like to see? Maybe the installer is more user friendly for beginners?
14:12<sney>the debian and ubuntu installers are identical, except for some colors
14:12<sney>debian lets you install from the live image now as well, with the calamares installer, again the same one ubuntu uses in theirs
14:13<sney>and you can just call it ubuntu, you know. "edgy" nicknames for software isn't as cool as you think.
14:14<vikingr84>sney: alright- so there is no technical advantage- instead i can keep my debian, while they whine about their easy-linux?! XXD
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14:15<pumpernickel>sney they have deprecated debian-installer (they=ubuntu)
14:16<sney>ah, I didn't know that. still, that was the one they used for years when people said ubuntu's install was easier
14:17<vikingr84>I also see no alternative. Arch- or whatever i not used. Used at some time suse and opensuse . That had yast and something like that ... Tried redhat, etc.- just the mostconvincing system kept debian itself- since i tried that at about year 2000 ....
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14:18<vikingr84>I guess there are still people waiting for a customized debian playing out mcOS- in case of "user-easyness"! Think about building exactly some system like they offer ... XD
14:19<sney>fedora silverblue is targeting something like that. it's a little outside debian's scope, aiui
14:19<vikingr84>thanks, i have a look- for mcOs users that like to switch without learning the wheel new ...
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14:21<vikingr84>Gnome3 with a osX style? I like to use QT/KDE more, because i like the C++ idea much more and the QT toolkit in general. Is there a similar approach- that also can be launched with some package installs on debian?
14:23<sney>!blends
14:23<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net.
14:23<sney>I don't know offhand if there's an "easy" kde-based blend, but that would be the right approach to making one
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14:26<vikingr84>Alright, i use wmii desktopmanager though, if i like speed and pureness... Do you think debian is a good platform for steam using proton? Or for things like that?
14:30<pumpernickel>why wouldn't it be? the only issue is the gpu driver
14:30<pumpernickel>but if you use nvidia, you can use the backported driver
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14:34<vikingr84>I have just again that "odd office-laptop with onboard intel-gpu", like that IBM one before, just from HP. That's my strategy for having decent driversupport. I installed mesa-drivers? and go a huge perfomance boost, though?!
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14:35<vikingr84>pumpernickel: theory and reality. Just i would like to see realworld benchmarks on things like that, before talking loud to anyone about that! XD
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14:36<vikingr84>package question: Are there "disclaimer on website" hiding plugins for common browsers- you already tested?
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15:10<vikingr84>package request: "would be nice if there is a standard for disclaimer/cookie questions in j-script, etc. that browsers can have an option "accept any website disclaimers stopping sign!" ....
15:11<sney>I agree the interstitials are annoying, but having software hide those disclaimers would make the user *less* informed and I think might also be illegal in some jurisdictions
15:12<sney>since it was UK law that made sites start showing those cookie disclaimers in the first place
15:12<sney>anyway, that's a job for a browser plugin, so feel free to write one. debian doesn't package software unless it already exists
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15:15<vikingr84>sney: true, i guess this started with this EU-privacylaw on most websites worldwide- nothing new- just blocking for long seconds the content- and that's a real anticlever design "nogo"!
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15:19<vikingr84>sney: since i began to "console" instead of clicky-you-bunty i thought i was actually much more performant in tasks... Now some lamers put me the "stopshields" on every websites- to slowdone every workforce?! .... Annoying desing-principle of world-apart decisiontrickers...
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15:21*annadane ties vikingr84 and forces him to use ubuntu forever for abusing its name
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15:21<sney>annadane: ikr, I'm not sure if this or the "shuttleworth os" from earlier is more cringey
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15:22<sney>maybe he'll say "M$" at some point too. ow the edge
15:22*nvz makes like xbill and puts BeOS on sney's machine when not looking..
15:22<vikingr84>*hhhh* i punch down every snake- you like to tie around me- what is first there? the derivateegg or the henn? XDXDXD
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15:22<annadane>ecks dee
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15:23<vikingr84>Call them debiansen?
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15:24<vikingr84>annadane: you know i don't like dane's den? XD
15:25<bremner>uh. is there a support question in here somewhere?
15:26<annadane>spoiler: no. no, there isn't
15:26<bremner>!chat
15:26<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
15:27<vikingr84>bremner: thanks tell that Mrs. Dane!
15:27<annadane>stfu
15:27<bremner>vikingr84: consider yourself warned.
15:27<sney>they were already, [11:47:16] <sney> anyway, keep it on topic for #debian or someone will come along in a bit and ban you.
15:27<devnull>lmfao
15:28<vikingr84>bremner: Is now eG. asking about support for menuetOS for debianpackages, off-topic?
15:29<bremner>that sounds like a question for #menuetos
15:29<bremner>or whatever support channel that os uses
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15:30<vikingr84>bremner: What i always wanted to know, was also if there is a simple solution to complile debian packages for your own system, like gentoo is doing...
15:31<sney>!nmg
15:31<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/
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15:35<devnull>does this channel have a webpage
15:35<sney>for?
15:35<devnull>extra fluff
15:36<sney>not really. there's public logs
15:36<amelia>Sure, fluff yourself out at https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
15:36<devnull>It could have a cool wiki for most common info
15:36<sney>and this, I guess http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
15:37<devnull>thanks
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15:38<blast007>if you want to search the dpkg bot's factoids, there's this:
15:38<nvz>!factoids
15:38<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
15:38<blast007>!search dpkg
15:38<blast007>beat me to it :)
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15:39<nvz>I'm just sitting around waiting to get rich today.. not much activity yet.. no raining money, no bank errors..
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15:48<devnull>what does PureOS have that, Debian doesnt?
15:48<sney>probably not much
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15:49<sney>you'd have to ask them, though. #debian isn't really in the business of keeping track of thousands of derivatives and their little tweaks
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15:49<devnull>its listed on the debian site so its relevant
15:49<devnull>https://www.debian.org/derivatives/#list
15:49<devnull> We would like to highlight the following Debian derivatives:
15:49<devnull>There are 5 highlighted.
15:50<devnull>keryword: highglighted.
15:50<devnull>:)
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15:50<sney>and one of them is Ubuntu, so you can extrapolate that none of them are supported here
15:50<bremner>devnull: please don't argue about what is on topic.
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15:51<bremner>if you find the rules here too strict, #debian-offtopic is there for you.
15:53<blast007>devnull: there is a #purism channel on Freenode
15:53<devnull>nice thx
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16:13<SeanGoul>hello sorry to bother, does anyone see this message?
16:13<SeanGoul>i want to know if i did nickserv correctly
16:13<sney>nobody here but us chickens
16:14<pumpernickel>:)
16:14<SeanGoul>so i am assuming you saw what i just posted lol
16:15<pumpernickel>yeah
16:15<SeanGoul>thank you so much
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16:16<annadane>"can you see my message?" "no" "aw, damn it"
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16:19<devnull>will Debian bullseye support i386 ?
16:19<devnull>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye
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16:20<annadane>yes very likely
16:20<vikingr84>Kickstarter Founded? Are there plans on bringing Debian - next openMoko tried, to smartphone-environments?
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16:21<annadane>https://release.debian.org/bullseye/arch_qualify.html "Our toolchain maintainers are happy to support i386 as-is."
16:21<devnull>nice
16:21<sney>devnull: there's no indication that i386 is going to be removed any time soon. more desktop-oriented distros have moved away from that arch, but debian isn't one of those
16:22<devnull>Yeah its primarily the reason I moved this box to debian, I usually run Slackware or Ubuntu. Im migrating away from both
16:22<sney>(and fwiw I am running bullseye i386 on some atom hardware right now. it works well)
16:22<devnull>are you running sway window manager on it? is it stable
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16:22<sney>no gui, it's being used as a network appliance
16:23<sney>so nagios and nginx mainly
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16:23<devnull>I see alright so my i386 will still live with linux. I was getting worried I'd need to install a BSD flavor
16:24<pumpernickel>devnull I tried sway on another Distro and it was working well.
16:24<Linux77>friends i use an old nvidia in this notebook, i setup following debian wiki but i need to use legacy nvidia, when i try optirun glxgears -info i receive this message:Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual, any tip about? i think in something related to blacklist nouveau?
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16:25<devnull>awesome. is it stable enough to run now, in your opinion?
16:25<sney>Linux77: nouveau is either blacklisted or it isn't, did you reboot after installing the nvidia driver?
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16:25<pumpernickel>devnull yeah
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16:25<Linux77>yes i rebooted, i try reboot again!
16:25<Linux77>one min.
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16:26<pumpernickel>I’m talking about bullseye devnull btw
16:26<devnull>Im following. I think ill grab it soon, thanks
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16:31<sney>Linux77: I wasn't telling you to reboot if you already did. in the future, try answering questions first.
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16:32<Linux77>ok, excuse
16:32<sney>did the nvidia module build? is it loaded?
16:32<Linux77>i take alook, i believe it is
16:33<towo`>belie != know
16:33<towo`>*belive
16:33<Linux77>i try with lsmod|greo nvidia, return nothing
16:33<sney>'lspci -k' may be more useful
16:33<towo`>Linux77, dkms status will tell you
16:33<Linux77>i tryed nvidia-modprobe not made any effect
16:34<Linux77>oh, i take a look now
16:35<Linux77>yes dkms have return bbswitch and nvidia ok
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16:35<Linux77>tank ś towo` i don't forget
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16:36<devnull>that is weird. O_o
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17:27<devnull>is there any other debian-centric apps like netselect-apt or anything you can think of
17:28<devnull>?
17:28<sney>!refcard
17:28<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
17:29<devnull>thats not really debian centric
17:29<devnull>well it is . let me reword
17:29<sney>debian doesn't have the NIH attitude for most things, though. usually if you see a debian-specific program it's part of the package toolchain. everything else is gnu standard
17:29<sarnold>apt-file is neat
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17:34<devnull>thanks
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17:47<xnaas>I cannot figure out what keeps overwriting my resolv.conf with shitty Level 3 DNS
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17:48<sney>resolvconf? network-manager? dhcp tomfoolery?
17:50<xnaas>I don't have resolvconf installed, so it's not that at least
17:50<xnaas>in journalctl I have a bunch of lines like this Jul 30 00:16:40 xnaasSRV dockerd[773]: time="2020-07-30T00:16:40.510293873-05:00" level=warning msg="[resolver] connect failed: dial udp 192.168.1.254:53: connect: network is unreachable"
17:51<xnaas>followed by something about merged resolv.conf...
17:51<xnaas>surely docker isn't changing my DNS??
17:51<sney>could be. sometimes vpns distribute their own dns servers too
17:51<xnaas>no VPNs involved
17:52<gry>overwrites how often? once each five minutes? or on reboot?
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17:53<xnaas>it happened last night at ~10pm and just now at like ~4:40pm
17:53<xnaas>actually, looks like about 10:40pm last night
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17:57<xnaas>16:57:11 up 11 days, 15:28, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.44, 0.52 -- no reboots during that time either
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18:03<xnaas>well, I confirmed it's not NetworkManager doing it by reloading it several times...just in case, I added a dns=none to the [main] section of the config anyway; guess we'll see what happens
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18:03<xnaas>oops kinda messed up my formatting there 🙃
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18:06<devnull>um someone recommended an app for me on debian? netapp?
18:07<devnull>this is why irc is archaic
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18:08<devnull>no simple scrollback
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18:12<sarnold>devnull: hmm a replacement for netapp might be hard -- but zfs can scale great from one disk to thousands of disks on one machine, and then you could use kernel nfsd or ganesha to export NFS for clients, or you could use one of the iscsi frameworks to share iscsi block devices
18:14<sney>!znc
18:14<dpkg>ZNC is an irc bouncer. It stays connected to the irc server with your nick so your IRC client can disconnect/reconnect without losing the chat session. Available in debian since time immemorial. Try the Backlog plugin (packaged as znc-backlog) for better scrollback. #znc on freenode; https://wiki.znc.in/
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18:46<devnull>id even know if it was netapp that was recommended. nvm.
18:46<devnull>debian should migrate to matrix servers
18:47<devnull>irc is very old tech
18:48<avu>old != bad
18:48<sarnold>there probably is a debian community on matrix; there's debian users everywhere
18:48<bremner>devnull: you can join this channel on matrix
18:49<sney>matrix's irc integration is clunky as hell but a lot of people do use it
18:49<avu>they sometimes produce horribly formatted messages when read by normal IRC clients
18:49<bremner>yes.
18:50<amelia>devnull: Just because you're not fond of it, doesn't mean IRC is archaic, or needs to be replaced.
18:50<xnaas>Well, it is archaic (old) 😉
18:50<sney>it's true that irc is basically obsolete, but because it's free and open with almost no overhead, it's unlikely that it'll go away any time soon. people born after 1993 may have a hard time understanding this, I guess
18:51<bremner>also, that tell several thousand people to change their infrastructure to suit your personal preferences is futile at best
18:51<devnull>no server side scrollback
18:51<devnull>pretty standard but not with irc
18:51<sney>(1993 being the year RFC 1459 was published.)
18:51<devnull>cuz irc is literally dinosaur tech
18:52<bremner>devnull: yeah, ok. we get it. But you are offtopic again
18:52<sney>those of us who want scrollback use znc, as mentioned previously
18:52<devnull>why did you not call out the other snarks?
18:52<devnull>You get it?
18:52<bremner>I was not here.
18:52<devnull>nah youre playing favorites.
18:52<devnull>Bruh dont lie.
18:52<bremner>stop.
18:52<devnull>Dont lie.
18:52<sney>here we go lol
18:52<devnull>Indeed.
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18:53<@bremner>_now_ I'm playing favourites.
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18:54<sney>bremner: he is crying about it in -offtopic, fyi
18:55<bremner>ok, as long as it stays there.
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