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#debian IRC Logs for 2020-09-15

---Logopened Tue Sep 15 00:00:00 2020
00:00<somiaj>I'm sure there is a mix, but I think most who don't want to locally install firefox in $HOME, /opt, /usr/local, are statsified with esr
00:00<Guest915>personally i use Brave and i love it
00:00<somiaj>and don't just use another browser.
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00:00<somiaj>with the new esr comming in, think there will even those be upset at the version bump (there are all types of users out there, and some like the older stuff, some the newer)
00:01<Guest915>id probably use Palemoon before going back to firefox
00:02<somiaj>The palemoon dev's attitudes have made me not want to even try it.
00:02<somiaj>But anyways, in debian stable, firefox-esr is your choice unless you want to install thrid party
00:02<somiaj>(for firefox)
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00:04<Guest915>somiaj: really? i found there forum to be very responsive and concerned. and how they tried to maintain very popular and necessary plugins is heroic; whereas firefox dumped every out onto the street
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00:05<alex11>i've tried waterfox in the past but right now i'm fine with ff-esr
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00:07<somiaj>Guest915: it is more how they treat downstream for packing it, but we are getting off topic from #debian
00:07<Guest915>can you do this in firefox? https://pasteboard.co/JpYgbh5.png
00:07<somiaj>they are as strict about their branding as firefox once was to debian (and why debian had iceweasle for a while)
00:08<Guest915>somiaj: true, and totally understandable, but i need certain features to conduct research a FF drops the ball. for me browsing isnt a joke
00:08<somiaj>all browsers are a mess, but my use I stick with chromium or firefox-esr due to the security support
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00:09<somiaj>security support in debian
00:10<Guest915>somiaj: yes, on server i use that ESR.
00:10<Guest915>servers*
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00:10<alex11>i thought the main extension dividing line was the move to quantum, so ff 57
00:11<alex11>unless it's still an issue?
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00:12*jello uses esr on both linux & windows
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00:19<twb>somiaj: are you talking about de-branding rust?
00:19<somiaj>twb: no, iceweasel back when debian didn't ship a branded firefox.
00:19<somiaj>I didn't realize rust also needed to be de-branded
00:19<twb>yep
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00:20<twb>although *allegedly* moco is going to spin off ownership into a separate "not mozilla" group so that *might* fix things
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00:24<sdvd>whats the best application to have your custom email
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00:25<twb>sdvd: I don't understand the question. What is "custom email"?
00:25<sdvd>I mean like dovecot and postfix but they runs as a daemon all the time is there any alternatives
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00:28<sdvd>I am looking for a non systemd depended non service like alternative
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00:28<jm_>postfix still has init.d script, does it not work?
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00:30<jm_>seems dovecot has it too
00:32<sdvd>they seem broken do I need extra dependency
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00:40<jm_>broken how?
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00:51<sdvd>can one use neomutt as email server and client ?
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01:02<somiaj>not as a server, maybe you should identify what is broken and try to fix it. Also when did it break (what version of debian are you running?)
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01:04<sdvd>debian 10 using sysvinit
01:06<sdvd>I think i found the issue its apparmor had to set complain mode for dbus
01:06<somiaj>when did this break? since debian 10 gets rare updates, you might be able to track down the change and fix it.
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01:09<sdvd>needed to install dev libraries for gtk and apt updated few x11 dbus and masa related packaeges
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02:07<nvz>heh.. masa says get to the back of dbus!
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04:22<debianNewUser>Hello is there any mail subscription available for debian updates ?? cause im not getting update notification on gnome version
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04:23<debianNewUser>I mean Debian update signup via email
04:25<CyberManifest>debianNewUser: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
04:27<debianNewUser>okay thanks CyberManifest
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11:07<gribouille>hi
11:07<gribouille>sudo vgsplit test1 test2 /dev/sdd1 gives the following message: /dev/sdd1: Checksum error
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11:10<keycollector>I tried to edit a configuration file in /etc, however, i came to found out it had the immutable attribute. Is this a underlying problem? or has it been set this way orginally and its just the first time editing it?
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11:21<another>that's unusual. is this a fresh install?
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13:15<fchapelle>Hi there
13:15<fchapelle>Sorry I'm quite new here. I have a question about the security issue CVE-2020-24977
13:16<fchapelle>I've seen that it has been fixed there : https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxml2/-/commit/50f06b3efb638efb0abd95dc62dca05ae67882c2
13:17<fchapelle>we are using this lib through Apache NIFI, and I am wondering when this fix will be released ?
13:18<fchapelle>Is there a way to have this information ?
13:18<bremner>did you have a look at security.debian.org?
13:18<fchapelle>Many thanks in advance for any assistance
13:19<fchapelle>Hi Bremner. Thanks for answering. Yes I did
13:19<fchapelle>==> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-24977
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13:20<fchapelle>but I've seen no information about a potential release date
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13:21<bremner>I guess it's marked noDSA, which means it will probably be fixed in the next point release
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13:25<fchapelle>Is there a way to know when is scheduled the next point release ?
13:26<bremner>I'm not sure, but it could be a few months
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13:28<fchapelle>My god !!!
13:29<fchapelle>So what does "no-dsa" means ?
13:29<bremner>obviously the security team does not think the bug is as severe as you do? maybe you should ask on #debian-security
13:29<fchapelle>ok thanks for the advice !
13:29<alex11>what does dsa stand for?
13:29<alex11>debian security ...
13:29<somiaj>debain security announcement
13:29<fchapelle>thanks for the clarification
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13:32<somiaj>fchapelle: might not be that hard to create a chroot and build yoru own version with a patch for the time being, but the ntoes seem to suggest its scope is limited enough that a fix can wait for a point release. Sometimes point release packages are provdied earlier in either buster-updates https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates or buster-proposed-updates, though this depends on the fix
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13:47<sqrt{not}>next point release is planned for Sep 26 afaik
13:50<bremner>huh. shows how much I pay attention
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13:50<bremner>so it is, found the announcement
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14:56<jhutchins>A point release is just a compilation of all of the package updates since the previous point release, and mainly affects install images.
14:56<jhutchins>No package updates are held until the point release, if you do regular updates you will have all of the current packages already.
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15:19<bremner>in stable?
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15:30<October>How do I enable SDL in QEMU? I tried this: qemu-system-x86_64 -sdl ... but it says this: qemu-system-x86_64: -sdl: SDL support is disabled
15:31<October>if I make the window bigger than about 800x600 everything gets really slow
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15:36<Fraggle2>October: I know not much about it, but I use SPICE to see the vm and the performance is good
15:36<Fraggle2>in the windows guest I installed a display driver
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15:41<October>what is the name of the command to run spice and/or what package do I install?
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15:41<October>apt search spice returns a lot of packages
15:42<sqrt{not}>!point release
15:42<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.13>, <10.5>.. https://release.debian.org/ for a schedule
15:42<sqrt{not}>!full-upgrade
15:42<dpkg>full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
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15:44<Fraggle2>October: i run the vm from virt-manager , don't know the details.
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15:49<Fraggle2>October: https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/SPICE
15:53<Fraggle2>and the the qxl graphics driver and more are here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-windows-virtual-machines-using-virtio-drivers/index.html
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15:55<jhutchins>bremner: Yes, in stable. The package processing is pretty automated.
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16:00<bremner>ok
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16:12<somiaj>Fraggle2: virt-viewer (what virt-manager uses) I thikn uses spice by default these days and you shouldnt' need to install anything extra.
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16:15<Fraggle2>somiaj: you should install a display driver on the windows guest
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16:18<somiaj>Fraggle2: oh yea, didn't catch it was for windows, and I missed that this was October's question, thanks for the clarification.
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16:31<October>I'm having sound issues with my computer... I using the sound via HDMI to a monitor with speakers. However in most games and in my VM, I cannot hear any sound. In my host machine, I have the sound set to the HDMI sound card. I can hear sound in my web browser, etc. I'm not sure what the issue is.
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16:38<sarnold>October: most sound issues can be solved by running pavucontrol while the application is running, and fiddling with the knobs
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16:48<October>I plugged headphones into my computer... the VM audio is outputing there instead of through the HDMI
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16:56<Fraggle2>October: like sarnold said, try pavucontrol
16:56<October>I did, that fixed it
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17:03<October>I am curious as to why pavucontrol is not installed by default? I could have fixed the problem without having to ask about it if that was installed.
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17:10<azeem>gnome has a sound control settings applet that works just as fine as pavucontrol I think
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17:14<October>I set my sound using that to my HDMI sound card, but a lot of my software was not using that
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17:45<October>How would I go about using a screen capture so both the audio and video are recorded?
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17:59<another>,v obs
17:59<judd>No package named 'obs' was found in amd64.
18:00<jlsantos>,v obs-studio
18:00<another>,v obs-studio
18:00<judd>Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; sid: 25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:25.0.8-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:25.0.8-dmo3
18:00<judd>Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; sid: 25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:25.0.8-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:25.0.8-dmo3
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18:01<jlsantos>,v simplescreenrecorder
18:01<judd>Package: simplescreenrecorder on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.8-2; buster: 0.3.11-1+b1; bullseye: 0.4.2-1; sid: 0.4.2-1
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19:53<iooirc>Can the gnome Remote Desktop Viewer connect to VNC servers?
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19:54<iooirc>I can connect using the realVNC client but I can't connect with the vinagre
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19:58<sqrt{not}>!vnc
19:58<dpkg>Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer
19:58<sqrt{not}>iooirc, not sure how up-to-date any of that might be, but maybe a starting point
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19:59<iooirc>Thank you
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20:39<alejandro>hola
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22:00<felipe>hola
22:00<sqrt{not}>hi felipe
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22:15<dvs>sqrt{not}, you scared felipe away!
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22:28<sirdank>so...
22:28<sney>!ask
22:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:32<sney>all that work to set up tor and register a nick
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