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#debian IRC Logs for 2020-10-17

---Logopened Sat Oct 17 00:00:46 2020
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05:12<Tedesco>hi
05:12<Tedesco>trying to make bluetooth work on debian 10
05:13<Tedesco>it pairs the device but doesn't show up in output sounds
05:13<alex11>check if you need firmware for it first of all, dmesg | grep -i firmwarer
05:13<alex11>firmware*
05:13<Tedesco>tried also installing blueman, pavucontrol and pulseaudio
05:13<Tedesco>ok
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05:15<Tedesco>alex11 bluetooth hci0: firmware: direct-loading firmware brcm/---(a long string of characters)
05:16<Tedesco>actually, something I think I needed for wifi to work
05:16<Tedesco>I'm using an acer laptop aspire v
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05:17<alex11>if you don't have any missing bluetooth firmware then you can cross it off the list and it's beyond my scope of knowledge, someone else will have to help you
05:19<alex11>the debian wiki entries on bluetooth might help you
05:20<alex11>https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
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05:20<alex11>i'm going to sleep now, good luck
05:21<Tedesco>ok
05:21<Tedesco>yeah
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05:22<Tedesco>when I do # service bluetooth status, it says sap driver initialization failed
05:23<Tedesco>I'll try disabling sap
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05:28<Tedesco>same, but at least I don't have the sap initialization failed anymore
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11:22<bfox>my debian is booting slow. 'systemd-analyze' told me that kernel booted in 36s, while the userspace booted in 3min 2s. Why is this happening?
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11:25<towo`>bfox, systemd-analyze blame
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11:27<bfox>hmm....it looks like mysql was the culprit. Thanks for that towo
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13:03<grummund>Hi, isc-dhcp-server listens on 0.0.0.0:67 but seems it only responds to dhcp requests coming on interfaces that were up when dhcpd was started.
13:05<grummund>the problem is that libvirtd service creates virbr0 interface after dhcpd is started, so VMs on that interface do not receive dhcp.
13:06<grummund>anyone know if/how isc-dhcp-server can be made to reload itself when an interface comes up?
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15:04<jmcnaught>grummund: libvirt runs dnsmasq as a DHCP server for its virtual networks like virbr0
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16:21<grummund>jmcnaught: i prefer isc-dhcp-server, and it works except needing to be manually restarted.
16:22<jmcnaught>grummund: maybe the #virt channel would know how to swap dnsmasq and isc-dhcp-server
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18:28<EmleyMoor>I have twice hosed a machine by "injudicious" backup restoration after replacing a disk... what should I exclude when restoring "full system" backups, when using an EFI booting system with LVM?
18:30<EmleyMoor>I excluded boot second time, but it still seemed to get into a tangle on my disk setup and wouldn't complete booting afterwards
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18:31<EmleyMoor>Is there anything in var or etc that should be excluded?
18:32<EmleyMoor>(this is driving me nuts!)
18:33<Brigo>EmleyMoor, where does the system fail? some more context could help
18:34<EmleyMoor>Brigo: It seems to be trying to check a disk I don't have
18:34<Brigo>the kernel?
18:34*EmleyMoor thinks possibly fstab should be excluded
18:34<Brigo>no, initramfs
18:35<EmleyMoor>initramfs being normally where?
18:35<Brigo>boot if iirc
18:35<EmleyMoor>No, I excluded boot already
18:36<EmleyMoor>(hence the question because if it lay elsewhere that would be something else to exclude)
18:36<Brigo>EmleyMoor, are you using uuids in fstab?
18:37<EmleyMoor>Brigo: It is *possible*...
18:37<EmleyMoor>At present I'm setting the whole thing up again so I can't tell
18:38<EmleyMoor>There won't be time tonight to restore the backup again - I won't have all the network stuff until I have
18:38<Brigo>because if you set root partition using uuid, the system will keep trying to mount the old disk.
18:38<EmleyMoor>(and backup time for the rest of my systems will be upon us in 22 minutes)
18:38<Brigo>old partition, i meant.
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18:39<Brigo>i am sure there is some "restoring backups troubleshouting" some where
18:39<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately, the backup of at least one of my machines takes about four hours each night
18:40<Brigo>EmleyMoor, let me tell you, that is a lot of porn :)
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18:40<dvs>Well, it depends how the old disk was copied to the new disk. If it's rsync or some sort of cp and the new disk was newly formatted then the UUID would be different.
18:40<EmleyMoor>Brigo: Not porn
18:40<EmleyMoor>dvs: The old disk was thrown away
18:41<EmleyMoor>Brigo: My communications server is obviously quite busy
18:41<Brigo>EmleyMoor, XD
18:41<EmleyMoor>dvs: The backup is a tar file on another disk
18:42<dvs>EmleyMoor: Ok, the UUIDs in /etc/fstab need to be changed to whatever is on the new disk.
18:43<EmleyMoor>dvs: Or simply exclude fstab... I am coming to the conclusion that that will do it
18:44<EmleyMoor>Exclute boot* and etc/fstab when restoring and maybe I'll get somewhere
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18:44<October>hello.. My NVIDIA GPU driver is tainting the kernel... is this a problem? https://termbin.com/19ec
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18:46<Brigo>October, yes, but if you want to use it there is no way around.
18:46<EmleyMoor>It's a fact of life with some graphics cards
18:46<October>it also says: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing
18:47<October>is that something to worry about?
18:47<EmleyMoor>Does it actually cause you a problem?
18:48<October>no, everything works
18:50<Brigo>October, it is so because it is not open source nor free.
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18:52<sqrt{not}>dpkg, rule 1
18:52<dpkg>If it's not broken, don't fix it.
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18:59<October>a different topic... I'm thinking about adding a non-nvidia video card and using my nvidia card with my win10 VM. I'm wondering how difficult this might be to setup the drivers for the older video card since I am currently using latest nvidia driver
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19:01<October>the old card uses wayland/neuvou
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19:02<Brigo>October, nouveau is for nvidia cards
19:03<October>oh... hrmm
19:03<October>well... old card is not nvidia... I think it is ATI
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19:12<October>I found this... but is a little over my head. https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough
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19:13<October>the ONLY thing that I use win10 for is playing games
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19:23<Brigo>October, to play what games?
19:26<October>eveonline.com (which I currently play using wine) and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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19:28<October>I don't know how to make Skyrim work with Wine because it is a steam game... native linux steam doesn't work with that
19:29<Brigo>October, do you know steam allow you to run windows game now?
19:30<October>the linux steam?
19:30<Brigo>that's the whole point :)
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19:30<Brigo>i run Path of Exile, for example.
19:31<October>no.. I think I tried that and it said was not available for linux... I'll check again
19:31<Brigo>wich is a hught achivement (the game's engine is a mess)
19:32<Brigo>October, you have to configure it properly first: https://itsfoss.com/steam-play/
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19:35<Brigo>October, it looks like Skyrim works like a chamr https://www.protondb.com/search?q=skyrim
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19:39<lhvf>Hello to Everyone! October : Are you able and intended to identify certainly your GPU Model / Vendor (*maybe ATI, as are you may be thoughting it is)? The simple command to identify PCI-IDs is: ` lspci -k -v -nn > PCI_ID_of_ATI_or_anything_else_GPU_.txt ` (generating a .txt file from the Terminal Bash Emulator).
19:39<lhvf>And look on FreeDesktop Wiki pages, between NVIDIA or ATI related GPU Vendor / Drivers for the Open Source Drives for Linux / UNIX-like Operating Systems.
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19:40<lhvf>[...] *Drivers* for the Open Source Drives for Linux / UNIX-like Operating Systems. (typo)
19:42<October>my old card uses native linux driver
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19:42<lhvf>[...] And look *under* the FreeDesktop Wiki pages, between NVIDIA or ATI related GPU / Vendors for the Open Source Drives for Linux / UNIX-like Operating Systems. [...]
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19:49<lhvf>October: Could you issue the command, for differ what GPU / Driver certainly are you utilizing on your installation ?: ` lspci -k -v -nn > PCI_ID_of_ATI_or_anything_else_GPU_.txt ` (only for guessing the same ? ).
19:49<lhvf>The another command for identify the Linux Kernel loaded Drivers are: ` lpsci -vvv > lspci_vvv.txt ` and ` lshw -C Video > lshw_C_Video.txt ` (without > XXX.txt to you see only the result on your Terminal side).
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19:58<October>lhvf, I using nvidia 450.66 driver
19:58<October>my other video card is not installed in my computer
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19:59<October>https://termbin.com/111t
20:06<lhvf>October: If the Graphic Card is ATI, after Kernel 4.x.y the Driver loaded is the new Open Source ` radeon `. If is newer and powerful, it would be ` AMD GPU `. A Wiki Article of Arch Linux explains these detailed the specifications.
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20:06<lhvf>*Oh, I see*: < http://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:10de-21c4-1458-4013 >
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20:09<lhvf>< https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/440.44/README/supportedchips.html > "[10de:21c4]" = "GEFORCE GTX 1660 SUPER ". Maybe this GPU itsn't too old as are you stating?
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20:10<lhvf>*isn't* (typo)
20:10<October>no, that is my new GPU.. the old one might be ATI
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20:15<October>my old GPU uses Wayland
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20:16<lhvf>Now I'll try to find the codename to your GPU within Nouveau Driver, and the related issues to it (for decide if use Nouveau (The well known Linux Kernel Driver, fruit of Reverse Engineering of NVIDIA's Proprietary Driver, carried on Linux Kernel for being Open Source), or instead to use NVIDIA's Proprietary Driver).
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20:19<October>My video card is so new that I have to use buster backports nvidia driver
20:20<lhvf>October: But on the termbin logs , I don't see the some ATi GPU Driver being loaded, even secondarily, in background of the system.
20:20<October>that card is not installed into my computer
20:21<October>I took out the old card when I put in my new card.. but my mobo supports 2 cards
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20:26<lhvf>< https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/CodeNames.html > *( NV160 family (Turing) ) » NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super)* ; < http://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:10de-21c4-1458-4013 > ( Name: TU116 [GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER] ) ; .
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20:27<lhvf> INGLÊS - DETECTADOINGLÊSPORTUGUÊSESPANHOL PORTUGUÊSINGLÊSESPANHOL For clarify the all discussion: The NVIDIA Vendor Officially (Open Source or not) doesn't support Wayland (the new, modern and redesigned Graphical System for the X.Org -- The X Server). For ATi GPUs maybe you could try with more succes. With NVIDIAs GPU is totally impossible, not worh to try.
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20:31<lhvf>[...] For clarify the all discussion: The NVIDIA Vendor Officially (Open Source or not) doesn't support Wayland (the new, modern and redesigned Graphical System *X.Org * *competitor* -- The well known old X Server). For ATi GPUs maybe you could try with more *success*. With NVIDIAs GPU is totally impossible, not *worth* to try. [...] Sorry.. (Typo).
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20:39<lhvf>October: On a sparse computer, I recommend you could try to plug the old GPU (that you've said that would be ATi -- don't know certainly), and look which Vendor / Model/ PCI-ID is that Graphic Card.
20:39<lhvf>October: So, you could find the compatibility, related issues on various Bug Trackers, and the first Linux Kernel with good functionality, or with less bugs related on FreeDesktop, or the needed of use (or not) non-free Firmware.
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20:46<lhvf>October: For Nouveau (instead what I've said before): the Wayland is supported since a long time ago; < https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTExMw >.
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20:47<lhvf>[...] "There's reports on the Wayland mailing list that for ATI users you can use the Linux 2.6.38 kernel (for the Radeon DRM page-flipping support) and for NVIDIA users if using the Nouveau kernel (the page-flipping isn't yet merged into the mainline kernel, possibly for Linux 2.6.39) and use one external patch, Wayland should now work directly with both of these DRM drivers. " [...]
20:48<October>I have to disable wayland for my nvidia card else I get a black display
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20:48<October>or maybe it doesn't even start... can't remember.. but I did have major problems with wayland enabled
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20:50<October>in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf I have "WaylandEnable=false" so I can use my computer
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20:53<oem>Is anyone here familiar with networking and ipv6 addresses?
20:54<dvs>!anyone
20:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
20:56<lhvf>October: For the ATi GPU, could you identify written on the Graphic Card the like PCI rev, and [XXXX:YYYY]? This would be necessary for physically certainly identify your GPU, by the PCI-ID, and certainly, the Model.
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20:58<October>can't do that... I cannot find what I did with it.. lol.. I have misplaced the card somewhere
20:58<oem>I am trying to get ipv6 privacy extensions to work. I want to set the valid_lft and preferred_lft to 1 hour for example. I have added "net.ipv6.conf.all.temp_valid_lft=360" /etc/sysctl.d/10-ipv6-privacy.confg and I have added "ipv6.ip6-privacy=2" to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf but I can't get the ipv6 address to ever change. If I do an ip address the address is always the same and the value of valid_lft is
20:58<October>it's in my house SOMEWHERE
20:58<oem>always "forever"
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20:59<oem>I understand that NetworkManager may ignore the kernel configurations, if it does then how can I set the address interval with network manager?
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21:08<October>found the card!! it is ATI.. says AX6670 1GB R93KC
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21:14<October>oh.. and ver 1.1
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21:17<October>https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-hd-6670-ax6670-1gbk3-h/p/N82E16814131440
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21:24<another>oem: for some unknown reason I had to set tempaddr, valid_lft and prefered_ft for all interfaces in addition to default, all
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21:26<lhvf>And machine Factory written on the Board, do you see something like [XXXX:YYYY] PCI rev. Attempting to find the approximate information : " AX6670 1GB R93KC "
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21:31<lhvf>October: Could try with Debian 10 (Debian-Live+non-ree Firmware): < https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ >
21:32<lhvf>Debian-Live+*non-free Firmware*[Typo]
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21:33<dvs>October: is the firmware-amd-graphics package installed?
21:34<October>I'm holding the card in my hand.. not plugged into the computer... this is my old card.. I'm using brand new GTX 1660 Super in my computer now
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21:38<October>only thing it says is "ver 1.1" do not see [XXXX:YYYY] info
21:38<October>it works with linux non-free firmware
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21:39<lhvf>October: For the ( *I guess) GPU, this webpage is the most closed information to match the info provided. Look at this webpage: < https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/171412/171412 >.
21:40<lhvf>[...] *old GPU [...] (I meant).
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21:43<sqrt{not}>another: oem was not here when you answered them, but back now
21:46<lhvf>October: From what I've found until now, the GPU is (maybe) (I think, most certainly) this: " Powercolor, PowerColor HD6670 1GB DDR3, AMD Radeon HD 6670, part # AX6670 1GBK3-H" ("GPU Device Id: 0x1002 0x6758 113-R93KC-XT)": PCI ID :[1002:6758].
21:46<lhvf>https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/6758 : *( Name: Turks XT [Radeon HD 6670] )
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21:48<tomreyn>update-pciids + re-run lspci -knnv | grep -A VGA
21:49<tomreyn>Turks is an older amd graphics card generation, use the "radeon" driver
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21:54<another>sqrt{not}: ah, thx
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21:54<another>oem: for some unknown reason I had to set tempaddr, valid_lft and prefered_ft for all interfaces in addition to default, all
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21:57<lhvf>October: Related Technical information: < https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#Selecting_the_right_driver > ; < https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index5h2 > (Codenamed "TURKS" = HD Radeon [6670] Series)
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22:09<rektide>is there an alternative to setting up my zswap parameters in my bootloader? there's a bunch of /sys/module/zswap/parameters/* files i can modify live, but i'm not sure if there's any mechanism to twiddle these configs on start. i'm not sure if /etc/modules-load.d/ is appropriate, if zswap is compiled in?
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22:16<rektide>still not sure whether module-load.d works or no but i found sysfsutils via https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2019/07/22/how-to-configure-sysfs-during-system-boot/ and it seems promising
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22:20<sqrt{not}>rektide: file:///usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.19/html/vm/zswap.html gives some examples of setting zswap options as boot parameters
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22:26<lhvf>October: For more detailed (*more accurate one) information: < https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/6758 > : "NI TURKS" (*Northern Islands* *TURKS) [*Radeon HD* *6670] (to match better.. on the codename); < https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index5h2 > .
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22:27<rektide>sqrt{not}: i was explicitly hoping to avoid setting boot parameters
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22:48<oem>another: can you send your answer again, I didn't get it
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22:49<another>oem: for some unknown reason I had to set tempaddr, valid_lft and prefered_ft for all interfaces in addition to default, all
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22:57<aimtop>hello?
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22:58<TLGL>Would anyone be able to maybe point me in the right direction. I ended up repartitioning to brtfs so that I could take snapshots because I had a problem and had to reload. What is the best way to take a snapshot of pretty much everything in / except /boot /tmp and /home as those have seperate partitions.
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23:02<dvs>TLGL: Use clonezilla to backup that partition?
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23:03<TLGL>Hey dvs I was hoping I would see you. I checked earlier and didn't notice that you snuck in.
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23:03<dvs>???
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23:04<TLGL>Wasn't I talking the you before about my HP Bluetooth?
23:04<dvs>no
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23:04<TLGL>Oh strange I could have sworn it was you.
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23:07<TLGL>Yes but the whole point of using brtfs was so I could take snapshots but I was reading up on it and it was mentioning subvolumes and unmounting and remounting it and you would no longer have root subvolumes so I was kinda lost
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23:42<jello>hello, i have an external HDD that I just tried to power on and I get clicking... Any recommendations for a recovery service?
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23:49<lhvf>I think that I could help some people here.
23:49<lhvf>Bye for now.
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