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00:19<lerriuqs>I'm getting this error when trying to play back on ALSA using mplayer, the /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p seems to have mysteriously disappeared for me: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1715:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D1p' failed (-2): No such file or directory
00:20<lerriuqs>Do any of you have that device? If so, could you send me the output of "ls -l /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p" co I can see what major/minor it's supposed to have?
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00:27<jm_>116, 12 - but I suppose there's some other problem
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00:35<lerriuqs>Thanks :) I gave that a try using "mknod pcmC0D1p c 116 12" , "chgrp audio pcmC0D1p", "chmod 660 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p" but you're right, it must be some other problem, I get [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1544:(snd1_pcm_hw_open_fd) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_INFO failed (-25): Inappropriate ioctl for device instead now. I wonder why the device would just disappear like that. The emu10k1_gp module is loaded OK and no unexpected messages are showing
00:35<lerriuqs>up in dmesg about it.
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00:40<jm_>is that some out of tree module?
00:42<jm_>ahh no, it's not, just hardware is old and posts about it ar etoo :)
00:43<jm_>emu10k1_gp seems to be just gameport specific stuff, surely you want other modules for audio stuff?
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00:44<jm_>I'll be away for quite a while now
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00:46<lerriuqs>snd_emu10k1 I think is the one, sorry, not the emu10k1_gp
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00:48<lerriuqs>I think udev or systemd is supposed to create the devices for me, somehow it's not happening... I tried to unload the module using modprobe -r but it says it's busy, perhaps I should just entirely remove the soundcard, reboot, and put it back in again, that might do the trick...
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03:43<lerriuqs>To get the ALSA output working in the 5.9.0-5-amd64 kernel, it was strange: I needed to go into the BIOS and change the "Front Panel Type" from "HD Audio" to "AC97" . After rebooting, the Audigy2 card's digital output started working again, i.e. "mplayer -ao alsa -ac hwac3 MPEG2.ts" plays the MPEG2 transport stream's audio directly over the S/PDIF connector to the receiver.
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03:52<jm_>that's odd, the bios setting should only affect the on-board sound
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03:56<lerriuqs>The only difference as far as the on-baord sound is concerned is that I think a few more options appeared in the pavucontrol's "Configuration" tab: it now has things like "Analog Stereo Output" whereas before that was marked as "(unavailable)" but then again I don't know where that actually goes, I'm only using the "Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output" which is a S/PDIF connection to a receiver.
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03:58<lerriuqs>The Audigy2 card still doesn't show up in the pavucontrol "Configuration" tab though, so pavucontrol only lets me play with the on-board sound.
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04:01<jm_>ok that makes sense, I thought it affected audigy somehow
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04:16<lerriuqs>Well, the BIOS setting change did cause the Audigy2 card to start working, previously nothing was coming out of it when running the 5.9.0-5-amd64 kernel, whereas in the 5.10 kernel it was giving output. The only thing I changed was the BIOS setting, which should have only affected the on-board Intel soundcard, but it got the Audigy2 card working again.
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04:59<ottavio>Hi, I have an intermittent problem with my integrated webcam. Sometimes it is not recognized
04:59<ottavio>Laptop is a Thinkpad e130 and system is Debian stretch, which I cannot update.
04:59<ottavio>$ dmesg|grep video > https://termbin.com/2c3o
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06:06<amoe>Hi, I have a situation where I had to move /var onto another drive after install. I replaced /var with a symlink to the area with more space, /mnt/mydrive. But when the system shuts down, it tries to unmount /mnt/mydrive, but it can't do so because it's in use. Is there a way to tell the shutdown process to try to unmount /mnt/mydrive last?
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06:09<RadoQ>amoe, check your /etc/fstab, probably you still have a /var in there, so it tries to unmount it.
06:10<amoe>RadoQ: I don't have a separate entry for /var in /etc/fstab, /var is now a symlink in the root partition (unfortunately I can't repartition the area with more space to reserve a dedicated area for the new /var)
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06:12<RadoQ>amoe, maybe you can figure out which process keeps it busy with "fuser".
06:12<RadoQ>or lsof
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06:13<webmind>got an interesting bug on debian 10 and thinkpad x1 7gen: x output is frozen, but input and commands work
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06:14<webmind>not sure how to debug or report
06:14<jm_>amoe: you can affect it somewhat, see man systemd.mount, but not sure if it'll help you
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06:18<webmind>ok, killall -HUP marco seems to have fixed it
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10:50<owlpen>boa tarde
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10:51<owlpen>alguem desocupado ai?
10:52<azeem>!pt
10:52<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
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12:12<Blohsh>zykotick9 hello
12:13<Blohsh>yesterday i was given a link to help me fix cpu throttle issue https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling
12:13<Blohsh>now i installed debian again on hdd, and tried to fix. but still i can't get 2.27ghz.
12:13<Blohsh>im still at 1.3ghz
12:15<Blohsh>i mean i tried to make governer to performance and conservative
12:15<Blohsh>but still same ghz
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12:25<Fraggle2>Blohsh: did you actually stress the cpu?
12:26<Fraggle2>even the performance governor will not go to the highest level if there is no load IMO
12:26<Blohsh>Fraggle2: i just installed debian just now let me update and upgrade packages. then i will again try
12:27<Fraggle2>it's perfectly wanted that your cpu runs at low hz if nothing is to do
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12:30<zykotick9>Blohsh: I agree with Fraggle2's comment.
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12:35<Blohsh>ok i tried to put load but still stuck at 1.2ghz
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12:36<zykotick9>Blohsh: while my system is idle if I "cat /proc/cpuinfo" it show cpu MHz as 1197.436, if I start an encoding job and run that same command it shows as 3492.041.
12:37<Blohsh>zykotick9: i usually try this for quick stress by increasing fishes, https://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html
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12:37<Blohsh>but still stuck at 1.2
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12:40<euod[m]>what you think of as "load" doesn't necessarily mean maximum CPU usage.
12:40<zykotick9>Blohsh: be aware that's a graphics test, my CPU has hardly any impact running that
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12:41<zykotick9>encoding/comping <- MUCH better CPU tests
12:41<Blohsh>but in windows i used it for high cpu usage and test how much ghz it could gain. and it worked perfect.
12:42<euod[m]>the classic stupidity is running like, `yes>/dev/null` which just pegs a core.
12:43<zykotick9>s/comping/compiling/
12:44<Blohsh>ok i'll try sysbench
12:44<Blohsh>after updating completes
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12:55<zykotick9>sysbench = not something I'd played with before. "sysbench --test=cpu --threads=12 run" took 10.0009s with 105228 events <- whatever that means
12:56<zykotick9>It did max out my CPU during that time, once I added the threads switch.
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12:59<blast007>Blohsh: have you verified you're running the latest BIOS and also cleaned any dust out of the cooling system?
13:00<Blohsh>blast007 yup im running the latest bios according to dell. but it is old enough. and yup laptop was services on saturday along with thermal paste
13:00<Blohsh>temperatures are perfect
13:01<sney>ofc the best way to stress test a linux system is to compile a kernel, it has a more "real" effect than the purpose-built memory or cpu testers/benchmarks
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13:03<blast007>Blohsh: hmm, seeing a mention that some Dell laptops may throttle the CPU if it doesn't detect a Dell approved charger.
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13:04<Blohsh>blast007 ikr, i used throttlestop in windows to fix this issue, and that worked perfect!
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13:06<blast007>https://github.com/DivyanshuVerma/throttlestop-linux
13:07<Blohsh>hmm
13:07<zykotick9>OMG. Shame on Dell for such a thing. Blohsh sorry, I had NO ideal such a thing was "real". Best of luck.
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13:08<Blohsh>zykotick9 ikr :p i would never recommend dell to anyone. ah!
13:08<blast007>unfortunately they're still better than a lot of stuff I've used...
13:09<Blohsh>might be.. but hp never disappoints me
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13:56<devicenull>is there an easy way to disable automated tests when building a package with `debuild`, or do I need to patch the rules file to remove them?
13:57<azeem>devicenull: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck is honored by a lot of packages
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13:57<azeem>not all though
13:58<devicenull>thanks, I'll give that a shot
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14:00<Blohsh>i tried throttlestop-linux, but im unable to execute this command: "sudo rdmsr -a -d 0x1FC"
14:01<Blohsh>it is giving me error "rdmsr: CPU 0 cannot read MSR 0x000001fc"
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14:06<xormor>how do I leave out the build to *dbg*.deb?
14:07<azeem>xormor: can you rephrase? You don't want the -dbgsym package?
14:07<xormor>azeem: yes.
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14:08<towo`>xormor, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noddebs
14:12<xormor>towo`: is that an environment variable?
14:13<azeem>yes
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14:15<xormor>towo`, azeem: thanks.
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14:23<Blohsh>im having a core 2 duo cpu. is this command applicable for it? "$ sudo rdmsr -a -d 0x1FC"
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14:30<Blohsh>nope the cpu won't go above 1.2ghz :/
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15:10<lerriuqs>I'm running PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid" and trying to "pin" the unison package to the older 2.48.4-1+b1 version that is in the buster release, I've created a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/unison.pref with the lines " Package: unison", "Pin: release a=buster", "Pin-Priority: 990" and added the buster repo to sources.list, and done apt-get update, but when I try apt-get install unison it says it's trying to install the
15:10<lerriuqs>unison-2.51+4.11.1 version. Am I doing something wrong?
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15:15<Blohsh>sudo rdmsr 0x1FC rdmsr: CPU 0 cannot read MSR 0x000001fc
15:15<Blohsh>what is the solution to this?
15:15<lerriuqs>oh, I needed to use "Pin: release n=buster" not "Pin: release a=buster", silly me...
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15:18<sney>Blohsh: that message means your cpu does not understand that model-specific register. you may have to do some digging to find the equivalent for your specific cpu. this isn't a thing that you can expect #debian to have on hand either
15:18<Blohsh>any advice where or how can i find that?
15:19<sney>google, intel ark, intel whitepapers, maybe support docs from the oem if you're lucky
15:19<sney>this wikipedia page may give you some clues for keywords, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-specific_register
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15:21<sney>##hardware on freenode *might* have some ideas too, though they're more likely to care about your problem if you've already done some research yourself.
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15:23<sney>Blohsh: if you had the frequencies unlocked in windows, it's possible the windows utility you used has it documented as well, or buried in a config file or an inf file or something
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15:23<Blohsh>sney: i only used throttle stop for that.
15:23<Blohsh>yup the issue is of non genuine adapter.
15:24<Blohsh>it do have its config file
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15:25<zykotick9>Blohsh: did you follow throttlestop's directions about "subtracting 1 from your output" and not copying and pasting? /me has zero knowledge on this subject, but remembers reading that weird quirk in the directions.
15:25<Blohsh>i don't get any output
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15:27<zykotick9>Blohsh: have a good look over the link blast007 sent you earlier https://github.com/DivyanshuVerma/throttlestop-linux
15:27<Blohsh>i did.
15:28<Blohsh>by executing this command : sudo rdmsr -a -d 0x1FC
15:28<Blohsh>i get : rdmsr: CPU 0 cannot read MSR 0x000001fc
15:28<zykotick9>ok. All I can say is "good luck". this sort of hardware limits are VERY disappointing to me.
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15:28<sney>zykotick9: the issue is that, apparently, 0x1FC is not the applicable register for that particular cpu
15:29<sney>I see a note about it being a core2duo, this github repo is <2 years old, that's not a huge shock that they don't match
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15:29<Blohsh>i have throttle stop .ini file in front of me but i can't find register in that file
15:29<sney>since throttlestop in windows worked, hopefully the correct register can be dug out of that program somehow. or from intel's documentation.
15:29<Blohsh>intel is not having documentation on my cpu .-.
15:30<sney>it is important to note that you are trying to override hardware logic from an older model computer. this is complicated and it will be difficult. take the time, consider your options, think about it more and keep trying stuff
15:30<sney>if you expect quick solutions you'll only disappoint yourself
15:31<Blohsh>sney: im experiencing this issue since 1.5 years now
15:31<Blohsh>.-.
15:31<Blohsh>i tried more then enough linux versions because of slow speed
15:31<Blohsh>then finally found solution of throttlestop on windows.
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15:32<Blohsh>but i again needed linux so i installed again but can't fix throttle issue in linux still.
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15:32<sney>then change your approach
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15:50<jhutchins>Blohsh: It would really surprise me if any Linux were slower than Windows on the same hardware.
15:50<jhutchins>On new enough hardware it would be hard to see the difference in speed, but as the hardware ages Linux is better able to cope.
15:51<sney>in general, sure; but in this case there's a hardware lock keeping the cpu from scaling up from the minimum
15:51<jhutchins>Blohsh: "Slow" is going to depend on the hardware though.
15:51<Blohsh>jhutchins: the only problem is the cpu throttling. if throttling is fixed it will be way better i know.
15:51<Blohsh>i could find fix throttlestop in windows. but in linux its not possible yet
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15:52<jhutchins>sney: I'm pretty sure I've seen tools to deal with that.
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15:52<sney>as have we, in the scrollback
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15:53<jhutchins>Core 2 duo. That's pretty old, isn't it? I think that's what's in my desktop, but I doubt I could tell if the CPU was throttled.
15:54<sney>yep, without looking it up I'm gonna say ~2008
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15:54<jhutchins>I had a laptop that I had to mess with the fan controls on, actually had to enable CPU throttling just to get the idle cooling under control.
15:55<x8x19>^^^ what the apple engineers think about intel macs
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15:55<jhutchins>Blohsh: It sounds like you'd have to go into the Windows code and see how it was determining the correct register, then apply that to Linux.
15:56<imMute>sney: yep. I built my last desktop in 2008 and it was a Core 2 Quad.
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16:01<Blohsh>:/
16:02<Blohsh>i was disconnected after my last word
16:03<zykotick9>my test was searching for lenovo x200 (core2duo), review from 2008. My mother uses that system to this day (with an SSD drive), she loves it - running debian stable.
16:04<Blohsh>bruh,,, my issue is of non-genuine adapter.
16:04<Blohsh>that is making my cpu throttle
16:04<imMute>Blohsh: "non-genuine adapter" ??
16:05<Blohsh>power supply
16:05<zykotick9>imMute: AC adapter connected to a Dell laptop.
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16:05<zykotick9>Blohsh: oh, is it the internal power supply? or the external plug in part?
16:05<imMute>oh. well it's probably a bad idea to circumvent that.
16:06<Blohsh>i mean to say ac adapter*
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16:06<jhutchins>Blohsh: Genuine dell power supplies are pretty easy to find, but I haven't seen one in years that would affect throttling.
16:06<zykotick9>is getting a genuine Dell branded adapter hard to come by? expensive?
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16:07<jhutchins>Blohsh: Is it not supplying sufficient voltage/current?
16:07<Blohsh>zykotick9 yup expensive enough
16:07<jhutchins>zykotick9: For a four-year-old system they ought to be easy to get.
16:07<Blohsh>jhutchins: voltage is not the issue, just dell cannot verify it as genuine adapter thats all.
16:08<Blohsh>and it is making cpu throttle
16:08<jhutchins>Blohsh: Is there a message to that effect somewhere? 'Cause my last three Dells had only power and ground, no signaling.
16:09<jhutchins>Only thing I've known that does signaling oh the power circuit has been Apples.
16:09<Blohsh>i also had 2 more core 2 duos, they both were having non genuine adapters, and were experiencing this same throttling issue but i installed windows on them with throttle stop now they are perfect
16:09<jhutchins>Blohsh: What model Dell?
16:09<Blohsh>my current?
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16:10<jhutchins>Blohsh: The one we are supposedly discussing.
16:10<Blohsh>the current which im using with throttle issue is a Dell Precision M6400
16:10<jhutchins>There are a LOT of different Core2 Duo processors and a LOT of different chipset implementations.
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16:14<jhutchins>Looks like about $60 from Amazon, $40 from 3rd paraties (Genuine Dell). Looks like it's pretty high wattage.
16:14<Blohsh>im using without battery
16:14<jhutchins>I've known some systems that would detect non-original _batteries_, bit nothing that checked the power adapter.
16:14<Blohsh>so 130watt is enough
16:15<jhutchins>$25 on ebay
16:15<jhutchins>Standard is 210W, so that could be the problem.
16:17<Blohsh>i found a branded 230W adapter in market and tried to use it with laptop but it was again detected as non genuine and still throttle problem
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16:17<Blohsh>i cannot buy a new ac adapter :/
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16:18<Blohsh>it costs enough here
16:18<zykotick9>ah. So the default powersupply is 210W and the non-working one is rated at 130W?
16:18<Blohsh>yuo=p
16:18<Blohsh>yup*
16:18<jhutchins>Possibly the 240W model.
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16:19<jhutchins>I would expect boot issues rather than throttling.
16:19<jhutchins>Blohsh: Have you tried contacting Dell?
16:20<Blohsh>they are giving no support for my model
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16:20<jhutchins>Blohsh: Have you tried their forums?
16:21<lerriuqs>Any idea why Realtek NIC would run at 100 instead of gigabit? I'm seeing "r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Half - flow control off " instead of the expected "1000 Mbps Full Duplex"
16:21<jhutchins>How are you aware of the throttling? Where are you seeing info about it?
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16:22<jhutchins>lerriuqs: That can be set manually, but is usually negotiated with the other end of the link.
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16:32<lerriuqs>jhutchins: the strange thing is, all my machines connect to the same Cisco SG-100SG gigabit switch, and the others all run OK at "Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full" whereas this one only does "Link is Up - 100Mbps/Half" could it be that the r8169 driver needs some additional configuration for this machine?
16:33<sney>it's unlikely. r8169 isn't the best gig adapter in the world, but it's fine and behaves normally on the majority of networks. it's more likely that you have an iffy cable.
16:34<sney>*especially* if it's negotiating to half-duplex.
16:34<jhutchins>There may be info in dmesage about what it's negotiating.
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16:34<jhutchins>sney: What's the tool where you can set the speed/duplex manually instead of negotiating?
16:34<jhutchins>It's been ten years since I messed with that.
16:34<sney>ethtool or mii-diag depending on the adapter
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16:35<jhutchins>ethtool is what I was thinking of, although there's a static config too.
16:36<jhutchins>I miss tweaking hardware. It's all been VMWare for a while now.
16:36<jhutchins>Heck, I miss lugging the hardware around, kept me in better shape.
16:36<sney>heh, I feel that one
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16:38*zykotick9 thanks to jhutchins' trouble shooting detective work, he'd like to retract his previous statement about Dell should be assamed - at least about this issue ;)
16:39<jhutchins>lerriuqs: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ethtool-command-change-speed-duplex-ethernet-card-linux
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16:41<jhutchins>This lattitude is not power rated, but it's 120-240@1.5A, which would be 180-360W.
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16:42<blast007>lerriuqs: ethtool might show if auto-negotiation is turned on/off. if it's off, that's probably why it's doing 100mbit half duplex.
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16:43<blast007>ah, I see that jhutchins linked to something that mentions that
16:43*sney hopes the reason lerriuqs hasn't responded in a minute is because they are trying a different cable first
16:45<sney>you can go down an infinite rabbit hole of bananas results, trying to tweak a network driver into fixing a problem caused by a short in one of the pairs in a cat5+
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16:47<jhutchins>Ah, the output is 19.5@4.62=90W
16:47<jhutchins>The one Blohsh has is rated for CAD and such, much more powerful/powerhungry.
16:47<jhutchins>Blohsh has moved on though...
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16:50<zykotick9>jhutchins: not having enough power, is a different issue to "3rd party power". It certainly explains why the CPU was being throttled.
16:51<jhutchins>zykotick9: Like I said, I don't know how the system could tell that it was 3rd party unless it wasn't up to spec (which it apparently isn't).
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17:02<imMute>jhutchins: it might be able to measure how much power the supply actually provides. if it's not enough it says "that's not genuine" when it really means "that's not enough power"
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17:10<jhutchins>imMute: Yeah, that's possible. Boot is one of the most power hungry processes, so it might notice it there.
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17:11<jhutchins>He was on a web client, so hard to tell where he is, and therefore hard to reccomend parts sources and local support.
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17:27<pknaggs>snes jhutchins Thanks for your advice on ethtool, that was the medicine it needed, apparently autonegotiation was turned off, I needed to turn it on: "ethtool -s enp2s0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg on" now it says in dmesg "r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: Link is Down" and "r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full - flow control rx/tx", any idea what configuration file I'd make this change in?
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17:30<pknaggs>The output of "lshw -c network" showed "configuration: autonegotiation=off" is there a way to change it to autonegotiation=on somewhere?
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17:30<imMute>pknaggs: autoneg should be the default... does it turn back off if you power cycle?
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17:38<lerriuqs>The output of "lshw -c network" after a reboot shows "configuration: autonegotiation=off" and having to run "ethtool -s enp2s0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg on" each time after a reboot seems awkward, is there a way to change it to use autonegotiation=on instead, in some configuration file?
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17:39<imMute>lerriuqs: I do not know of one, sorry. hopefully there is one though.
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17:39<jmcnaught>lerriuqs: ethtool provides directives that can be used in /etc/network/interfaces, see /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian
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17:47<Arcade>I have a build question here. I am trying to package up a deb file which works fine. Is there a way to add a particular user to lets say the "dialout" group during install in the control of a debian package?
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17:50<azeem>Arcade: in principle you can run postinst scripts, but adding users to groups sounds more like a conf-management thing to me
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17:55<Arcade>azeem, thanks. I may check out to see if the Arduino package built on debian if the package does the same thing or not. I am just starting to look at packaging or seeing if a second package for cura can be allowed using (lulzbot) own cura version.
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17:57<Arcade>Seems Cura and Cura-Lulzbot have their own packages which Debian ships with Cura and is a mess trying to get the Lulzbot (repo) working. Will keep at this project thanks
18:04<Arcade>The Arduino package appears to add the group at least quickly looking at the package deb file. Will look here thanks azeem for the help again
18:08<jhutchins>Iirc, ethtool has a conf file you can make permanent changes in.
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19:55<mobileGuest>Can someone help me on #debian-mobile
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20:13<choozy>mobileGuest: You could checkout the #mobian channel for mobile Debian support. That derivative of Debian is currently built for the Pinephone, Pinetab and Librem 5.
20:15<mobileGuest>choozy: I was thinking about normal phones to remake them. But thank You I will check.
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20:52<vinme21>hey
20:52<sney>hi
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20:53<vinme21>does anyone know how to install different desktop environments
20:53<vinme21>im new to debian
20:54<sney>if you want the same menu that you had in the installer, run 'tasksel' as root
20:54<sney>otherwise, you can use the 'apt' tool to search for and install any package you want.
20:54<sney>!refcard
20:54<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
20:54<sarnold>do note that installing them is easy, uninstalling them afterwards is a bit more work
20:55<vinme21>sweet
20:55<vinme21>ty
20:55<sney>np
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