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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-01-06

---Logopened Wed Jan 06 00:00:42 2021
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02:54<Blohsh>so i found this https://github.com/DivyanshuVerma/throttlestop-linux i was unable to find register for my processor, so i asked dell for that and here is the answer: https://www.dell.com/community/Precision-Mobile-Workstations/Throttle-problem-Precision-M6400/m-p/7776241
02:54<Blohsh>can someone give me proper syntax to run?
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02:58<Blohsh>i tried this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/2a2cc952
02:58<Blohsh>but cannot see any changes to cpu
02:58<Blohsh>speed
02:58<twb>Blohsh: this is to overclock your CPU?
02:59<Blohsh>nope, im having non-genuine ac adapter which is making my cpu throttle and run at 1.2
02:59<Blohsh>in windows i use throttlestop as a fix, but still finding one for linux to fix.
02:59<twb>ewwww
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03:39<unixbsd>hello
03:40<unixbsd>what is the #channel for testing debian?
03:42<twb>unixbsd: #debian-next
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03:47<EdePopede>morning. just 2 questions for the start: does the wiki have its own channel or is it part of the debian-on-the-web channel? and if, which one would be that one? i thought the wiki should have a channel list, but i didn't find one. and the same for i18n, where? ok, 3. 3 questions.
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03:48<azeem>what is "debian-on-the-web channel"?
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04:12<valeoak>EdePopede: You can find a full list of official Debian channels here: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Debian_IRC_channels. Yes, the Debian Wiki team use #debian-www (https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki). For i18n, see #debian-i18n.
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04:14<EdePopede>valeoak: wow, christmas is back. thanks!
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04:19<EdePopede>odd, even the fragment in the topic on that page is marked as visited. just been on a simple list of pages before, searched for "irc", didn't see that one.
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04:45<valeoak>No probs :)
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05:54<skynews>hi all, i wish to you a great year, first.
05:54<skynews>In second, i would like to know how i can check my ip (knowed by the srv) on oftc ?
05:55<skynews>can i use a command like whois for check my personnal ip here ?
05:55<skynews>Thanks in advance
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05:56<tarzeau>skynews: host 4G4AAETQR.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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05:58<skynews>@tarzeau, Thanks for your answer, i know it. No command exist to show my hostname without my upn ?
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06:00<tarzeau>you can ask google bing yandex whatever after what's my ip
06:00<olasd>skynews: /whois on yourself should give you the address ip oftc sees for you (my output has a line "[olasd] actually using host xxxx" with my IP address). But this is not a debian support question. I suggest #oftc for further IRC network support
06:00<olasd>s/address ip/ip address/
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06:06<L_ispiratore>hi debianist
06:07<skynews>@olasd, Thanks for your answer to. When i use "/whois" command, i get an answer "no nickname given". May be this because i'm not registered on the srv with my nickname ?
06:07<skynews>@olasd, ahah, yes it's not a Debian request :) Thanks !
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06:10<olasd>skynews: the whois command needs a nickname as argument
06:11<skynews>@olasd, shame on me; it's great. Thanks again, and have a nice day, i will check the good channel for futur ;)
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06:16<L_ispiratore>someone can help me to put debian in dual monitor?
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06:27<sep>L_ispiratore, depends more on what desktop you run, then on debian. ie on kde you can just run the the "displays" program
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06:34<grove>L_ispiratore: You need to be more specific, i.e. what is your hardware, what DE do you you (if any), ... - At the office I have two monitors connected to a docking station, if I connect my laptop (running Debian) to the docking station it automatically shows the same picture on all three monitors (the one build-in to the laptop and the two externals), running xrandr I can then make X use them ...
06:34<grove>... differently
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06:38<grove>(xrandr is sometimes a bit strange. arandr is simple frontend that is capable of generating xrandr-coammands)
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07:11<twb>grove: strange how?
07:12<twb>I assumed arandr was issuing XRANDR queries to the X server, not forking /usr/bin/xrandr...
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07:49<grove>twb: I've experienced (several time actually) that `xrandr --output screen1 ... --output screen2 ... --output screen 3 ...` didn't work unless screen2 8and naturally screen1) was already active.
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07:54<grove>I.e. I had to do 'xrandr --output screen1 ... --output screen2 ...; xrandr --output screen1 ... --output screen2 ... --output screen3 ...` - where I would think the second command was enough (but it gave an error)
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09:21<Blohsh>hello there, i found answer to my problem https://www.dell.com/community/Precision-Mobile-Workstations/Throttle-problem-Precision-M6400/m-p/7776241
09:21<Blohsh>my procesor is a 64bit, so what syntax should i use? https://github.com/DivyanshuVerma/throttlestop-linux
09:22<Blohsh>this shows for x86
09:24<Blohsh>i tried to execute same commands, first i got 2 results with sudo rdmsr -a -d 0x1A0 and sudo wrmsr 0x1FC (one value here both values were same with -1 in them)
09:25<Blohsh>but now on sudo rdmsr -a -d 0x1A0 im only getting 1 value
09:25<Blohsh>and throttle is still a issue
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09:41<blast007>Blohsh: are you using a proper Dell-branded charger with the correct wattage for that system?
09:42<Blohsh>Nope
09:42<blast007>if you get one, it'll probably solve the issue and you won't have to work around it
09:43<Blohsh>Its currently expensive enough
09:43<Blohsh>Like i can buy a core 2 duo laptop with that amount
09:46<twb>hopefully laptops switching to USB-PD for charging should make this better, not worse
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09:48<Blohsh>Blast007 this is the msr values of my cpu https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DiDPxiFB/IMG_1168.JPG
09:48<Blohsh>Can you help?
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09:53<twb>Blohsh: personally I don't know anything about Dell hardware.
09:53<twb>Blohsh: if I were you, I'd contact the author of that github repo directly
09:53<twb>Blohsh: and/or see if there's a "linux on dell" channel somewhere
09:54<Blohsh>I also dont know how to use this msr tool i has a - + to read msr
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10:06<tubnob>dpkg repositories
10:06<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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10:30<Blohsh>according to register from dell community this is the value i get. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/q3sOW10u/vvcap%202021-01-06-20-29-29.png
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10:47<jhutchins>Blohsh: THey're $25us on ebay.
10:47<jhutchins>Blohsh: $85 brand-new on Amazon.
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10:48<jhutchins>(With free shipping.)
10:49<jhutchins>blast007: I think he's got 130W, standard from Dell is 210-240.
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10:50<jhutchins>So he's trying to tweak his CPU to get more wattage out of the power supply.
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11:22<blast007>sounds like a good way to stress an underspeced power supply and let out the magic smoke
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11:39<Blohsh>@jhutchins @blast007 the adapter is working fine since more then 1.5years
11:40<Blohsh>i just want a proper command to edit my msr to fix throttle.
11:40<Blohsh>@jhutchins in my country amazon and ebay both are not available
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11:47<blast007>in any case, this isn't a Debian issue
11:48<Blohsh>i was just asking if someone have knowledge to give me a proper syntax
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13:24<jhutchins>How many hours are you going to spend to get marginally more speed?
13:24<imMute>or annoying people who clearly can't really help and probably wouldn't even if they could
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13:26<sney>and willfully ignoring advice like "this is complicated, you will need to do some digging, *you* will need to try stuff and see if it works"
13:26<jhutchins>That's a fairly obscure system, ~12 years old iirc. Nobody's going to have experience with it or special knowledge, and Dell apparently doesn' support it any more.
13:26<jhutchins>Blohsh: You could try searching the Dell forums, that's where I found the wattage for the correct power supply.
13:27<jhutchins>Blohsh: You've basically complained about every reasonable answer you've gotten here, which isn't going to get you anywhere.
13:28<sney>irc support is great when people asking for help do the legwork and experiment on their own. but when they come back for incremental approval of every little thing they find out... knock it off, look at your screen, look at your notes, try to draw some connections and make guesses and TRY STUFF
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13:29<Dierre>cool
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17:53<cjoke>I understand that ubuntu and snap is running their programs in a locked environment, is this the only thing that is "advantage"? and is there anything similare and full foss?
17:55<pumpernickel>cjoke yes, but the confinement doesn’t work 100% on debian
17:56<Nemoder>it's also an 'advantage' for propreitary programs that don't need/want to update when system libs change so they can run most everything linked against the container
17:56<zykotick9>cjoke: have a look at flatpack vs AppImage vs snap <- 'cause microsoft style software distribution was right all along
17:57<pumpernickel>it’s flatpak not flatpack
17:57<zykotick9>ah, my bad.
17:57*zykotick9 doesn't use any of them
17:58<pumpernickel>sadly I have to, because of epiphany :/
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18:02<mitsos>hello
18:02<mitsos>I have a problem with brightness control on debian
18:03<mitsos>i have kde plasma as desktop environment
18:03<mitsos>Also i have nvidia drivers installed
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18:04<FelixActually>mitsos: Can you describe the problem?
18:04<mitsos>I cant change the brightness
18:05<FelixActually>Are you using a laptop with brightness buttons?
18:05<mitsos>My laptop is lenovo legion y540 17irh with gtx 1650
18:06<mitsos>Yes i am using a laptop with brightness buttons
18:06<FelixActually>Does the brightness change when you use the slider in battery and brightness in the system tray?
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18:07<mitsos>no
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18:07<FelixActually>Strange
18:08<cjoke>pumpernickel: zykotick9: thanks for insight,<3 I've been running ubuntu for many years since i love apt and making somethings easy along the way, but now they are throwing some punches with snap , and if snap is not opensource, my reason for using linux and its flavours is gone. Im so sorry for beeing a trator for so many years, but atleast I will come back and strike a punch for debian (again) :D
18:08<mitsos>also xbacklight doesnt work
18:08<FelixActually>Are you on Debian Stable?
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18:08<mitsos>No i am on debian unstable
18:08<pumpernickel>!debian-next
18:08<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
18:08<FelixActually>You should ask in the #debian-next room then
18:08<FelixActually>Damn you pumpernickel :D
18:08<mitsos>But i had the same problem on debian stable
18:09<mitsos>So Have i to go on #debian-next?
18:09<pumpernickel>Still, because you are on non-stable you would need to ask there
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18:10<mitsos>okay thanks
18:10<mitsos>good night from Greece
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18:12<Sqrt{not}>cjoke: what is the package that makes you use snap?
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18:41<cjoke>Sqrt{not}: well, Im a fan of urban-terror, and it was kinda easy installing with snap. and I thought discord was nice too run in a sandbox, there I had problems with sharing stuff btw, screenshot from matches etc. and when I was in the app-store, suddenly it installed snaps from snap-store. I started to use it and it was fine, but after a while when discord showed in htop using 41G memory I gave it up. so I
18:41<cjoke>unistalled everything and started to install sourcecode from github instead. im not a good friend with discord either so I use their webapp.
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18:45<cjoke>41G virtual memory that is, with red fat letters in htop. I recon thats not good :D
18:46<cjoke>I dont like sneaky stuff, Im too naive and need someone to trust. and debian I think is the way, since it's communitydriven. <3 :D
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18:59<zykotick9>cjoke: I came to debian in 2010/2011 around ubuntu 10.04 - I didn't like moving the min/max/close buttons (#ubuntu used to link to a site i'd created about moving them back). Having a "dictator" leading a software project, can lead to issues.
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19:39<twb>"whois 1.2.3.4" works but "whois fe80::" says "please upgrade this program"
19:39<twb>How do I find out which ISP / country controls a given IPv6 address?
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20:01<another>fe80::/10 is link local unicast
20:03<sarnold>ripe whois does appear to have the data https://www.ultratools.com/tools/ipv6InfoResult?ipAddress=2001%3A67c%3A1360%3A8001%3A%3A24
20:04<another>try with a public address
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20:05<sarnold>oh hah, yeah, ubuntu focal's whois handles 2001:67c:1360:8001::24 no trouble
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20:09<abrotman>twb: you may want to explore RDAP
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20:10<twb>Is there a client in debian?
20:10<twb>aptitude search ~drdap found nothing
20:11<abrotman>No, but there should be, it's the "replacement" for whois
20:11<abrotman>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Data_Access_Protocol
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20:13<nmmachado>If I sell 1000 copies of Debian what must I do for the Debian organization?
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20:14<abrotman>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941704
20:14<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/941704 in wnpp (open): «RFP: openrdap -- command line RDAP client»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2019-10-04; last modified: 2019-10-04.
20:15<abrotman>nmmachado: nothing
20:15<nmmachado>tks
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20:17<abrotman>twb: fe80:: is the IPv6 /10 for link-local, you shouldn't see those on a connection from an internet system
20:18<twb>that was just the first address I could think of
20:18<abrotman>Oh, you used it twice, I thought you were really using that
20:18<twb>nope sorry for the confusion :-)
20:18<abrotman>ultratools does have an IPv6 whois
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20:24<abrotman>twb: why doesn't your whois work for ipv6? how old is your Debian?
20:24<twb>Debian 10
20:24<twb>Maybe I just picked an address that had no data?
20:25<abrotman>Do you want to share the address you tried? I assume it's not yours?
20:25<twb>OK "whois 2001:4860:4860::8844" works
20:26<twb>abrotman: I don't remember what I was trying last week. Probably an IXP just upstream of my ISP
20:26<twb>So I guess the only problem is whois's error message confused me
20:27<abrotman>I wonder if it could be the service you hit
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20:27<twb>whois :: ==> No whois server is known for this kind of object.
20:27<twb>whois f:: ==> Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program.
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20:32<abrotman>well, :: is 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000, so not completely surprised
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20:38<abrotman>twb: try 2001:558:feed::1
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20:42<twb>abrotman: yeah that works (as did dns.google's v6 address)
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21:02<FelixActually>Anyone willing to package the free software game Oolite for Debian?
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21:04<abrotman>You can file an RFP
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21:05<FelixActually>abrotman: Okay, thanks
21:05<abrotman>dpkg: rfp
21:05<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>.
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21:11<FelixActually>While I was looking at a page regarding that I found this... what's with the last reply?
21:11<FelixActually>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748374
21:12<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/748374 in wnpp (open): «RFP: 0bin -- A client-side encrypted pastebin.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-05-16; last modified: 2016-10-28.
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21:13<sarnold>FelixActually: it's just malware
21:14<FelixActually>I'm confused as to why the Debian bug list would even get spam emails
21:14<sarnold>spammers don't care
21:14<FelixActually>Can that be removed or does it not matter?
21:14<sarnold>they send billions for free using other people's computers, it would cost them money to try to filter out things like this.. but this is *archived*, forever, publically, so it's probably even a net win for them to spam bugs
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21:15<sarnold>I clicked the "this bug has spam" link at the bottom of the page; it'll probably be removed eventually
21:15<FelixActually>Hopefully
21:15<FelixActually>I wasn't sure what exactly that did so I didn't click it myself
21:16<sarnold>I'm also not exactly sure what happens ;) but it's there for this reason, to let admins remove individual bits as needed, so clicky clicky :) hehe
21:16<FelixActually>Fair enough :)
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21:47<twb>oolite used to be in debian actually
21:47<twb>last time I tried it, it was rendering all in-game text by drawing 3D cylinders
21:47<twb>so e.g. the letter "P" was made of a bunch of straight cylinders on the left and some curved ones on the right
21:48<twb>And my graphics card just could not deal with that many polygons
21:48<twb>Anyway, looks like it was removed in 2018: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/oolite
21:49<twb>...due to depending on an ancient embedded fork of mozilla's old javascript engine >_<
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22:22<lerriuqs>There were some updates to pulseaudio recently and they have fixed the SB0240 card, it now shows up in the pavucontrol as well as in the KDE settings, and works normally again (on linux-image-5.9.0-5-amd64 at least, I'm not the latest 5.10 kernel due to the ZFS build issue)
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22:27<lerriuqs>Debian with KDE Plasma also has amazing support for the "Apple Magic Trackpad" : everything works on it, even three-finger tapping to "middle-click" (e.g. to paste text into an xterm). The trackpad also works with xterm's menus, by holding Ctrl and pressing on the trackpad with two or three fingers (as equivalents for the Ctrl-right-mouse and Ctrl-middle-mouse).
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22:35<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, qotd0
22:35<dpkg><share> I have only found http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ <daemonkeeper> share: I can highly recommend that <share> daemonkeeper: why
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22:46<twb>lerriuqs: what ZFS build issue
22:47<twb>lerriuqs: I'm upgrading a server from Debian 10 to Debian 11 as soon as zfs 2 hits, so this interests me greatly
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22:54<lerriuqs>twb : Let me send you the link: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/11074 What happens is, once your debian sid kernel goes above 5.9 the zfs module hits a compile error.
22:54<twb>Thanks!
22:55<lerriuqs>tbw: I had to stay on linux-image-5.9.0-5-amd64 for now, and all works fine there (well, my system is using only basic zfs stuff, mirroring and encryption)
22:55<twb>Ah yes I think I saw this before
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22:57<pumpernickel>twb, lerriuqs, there was an update to zfs 2.0.0 to get 5.10 running, so I guess it shouldn’t take too much longer
22:57<twb>lerriuqs: this is fixed in zfs 2.0.1
22:57<twb>reelased yesterday
22:57<twb>https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases
22:58<pumpernickel>Yup
22:58<lerriuqs>twb: The friendly debian folks suggested I could monitor with page to see when a more up-to-date zfs package appears containing the fix: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zfs-linux although I'm not sure how I can tell whether the pull request https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/11085 is included.
22:58<twb>Sorry it took me a while trying to understand github's UI, before I gave up and just checked the release notes
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22:58<twb>lerriuqs: yes I have been watching "rmadison zfs-linux" waiting for it to leave NEW
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22:59<lerriuqs>twb: oh really? The 2.0.1 is released already? Nice? But is it in any debian sid package?
22:59<twb>no only 2.0.0 there currently
22:59<twb>The BIG reason I'm waiting is I want to turn on compression=zfs *BEFORE* I copy all the files from ext4
22:59<twb>Because that's the point at which the compression actually kicks in
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23:02<sarnold>man, persistent l2arc, zstd.. and my larger pools predate special allocation vdevs, using those would be nice..
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23:03<pumpernickel>hopefully it still gets into bullseye ^^
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23:10<lerriuqs>pumpernickel: I'm on debian sid but I wasn't sure how to get zfs 2.0.0 do I need to have in sources.list the "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main" and use the -experimental flag when installing the zfsutils-linux zfs-dkms packages, or would I expect to see the latest release just appearing on the normal "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" track?
23:11<twb>sarnold: no draid tho
23:11<twb>sarnold: so when a disk fails, new disk takes ages to redo
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23:12<lerriuqs>pumpernickel: I'm on zfs 0.8.6-1 at the moment, and used "apt-mark hold linux-image-amd64" and "apt-mark hold linux-headers-amd64" to stick to the 5.9.15-1 release of linux-image-5.9.0-5-amd64 with which ZFS builds OK.
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23:16<pumpernickel>You would need to add experimental, and then apt install -t experimental zfs-dkms (etc)
23:16<pumpernickel>twb I thought they integrated draid
23:17<twb>AIUI not in 2.0... but ICBW
23:18<twb>It's not clear to me whether you could just grab zfs-linux dsc from experimental and uupdate it to 2.0.1
23:18<twb>lerriuqs: ^ --- if that works it's definitely AN option
23:22<pumpernickel>lerriuqs, I would even go as far as remove the hold on Linux-image-amd64, and just literally boot the older kernel, it should auto boot the older after that
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23:31<lerriuqs>pumpernickel - oh, thanks! The build issue caught me by surprise, I'd only just build one machine with a LSI_SAS_9201-16e on P20 firmware (mpt3sas with kernel booted with mpt3sas.max_queue_depth=10000 flag as workaround to get the card working again, it used to work fine in older kernels) connected toPromise_VTrak_J830s with a bunch of X30SAS12DGL adapters to get scavenged HUH728080AL5200 drives to work.
23:43<lerriuqs>twb: I wasn't familiar with rmadison, what does it mean "new/contrib" is there a debian track called "new" or what does that mean?
23:43<twb>lerriuqs: I think it means because zfs wasn't in experimental before, it has to pass through ftp-masters legal nitpicking
23:43<twb>!NEW
23:43<dpkg>hmm... new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the <incoming> system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html . Packages that are in the NEW queue cannot be downloaded, because they have not yet been checked to see if they are allowed to be distributed by the Debian project. http://wiki.debian.org/NewQueue
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23:59<cjoke>zykotick9: that is so true.
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