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| 00:06 | <lerriuqs> | twb: I was wondering for ZFS, at the moment I have a zpool that has a bunch of the same kind of disks spread between two of the same kind of LSI SAS 9201 16e controller (mpt3sas in debian), if I do "zpool export" on the pool, could I put all the disks onto just one of the controllers (if I don't care about performance) I mean, would the "zpool import" work OK or does it care about the "path" to the disk remaining unchanged? |
| 00:07 | <twb> | lerriuqs: it depends how the disks are named in the pool |
| 00:07 | <twb> | lerriuqs: if you did "zpool create /dev/disk/by-id/ata-XXX" then that will Just Work |
| 00:07 | <twb> | lerriuqs: if you did "zpool create /dev/disk/by-path/pci-XXX" then the disks in those PCI slots will be used |
| 00:07 | <twb> | i.e. moving disks to different slots will piss off the pool |
| 00:08 | <lerriuqs> | hmm, I think I always create the pool using /dev/disk/by-path but this pool is a bit old, is there a way to tell? |
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| 00:09 | <twb> | lerriuqs: zpool list |
| 00:10 | <twb> | Shall we decamp to #zfsonlinux? |
| 00:11 | <lerriuqs> | twb: oh, sadness, it's indeed using things like pci-0000:03:00.0-sas-exp0x5000155585afc23f-phy2-lun-0 so seems like I did use /dev/disk/by-path. I guess I should indeed decamp to #zfsonlinux :) |
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| 01:11 | <twb> | FTR, "git grep draid github/master" has matches, but "git grep draid zfs-2.0.1" does not |
| 01:11 | <twb> | I therefore conclude draid is not in zfs 2.0 |
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| 03:15 | <Guest9948> | Im trying to find where debian package maintainers discuss issues related to the development of packages, i.e. the debian equivalent of issue tracker on gitlab/github. anyone know? is there a single system or is it distributed across debian ecosystem? |
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| 03:17 | <pumpernickel> | probably mailing list and salsa Guest9948 |
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| 03:18 | <Guest9948> | do you know if its consistent across packages, or does each maintainer have different preferred methods..? |
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| 03:21 | <pumpernickel> | Guest9948 sorry can't tell you that |
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| 05:54 | <twb> | pumpernickel: FTR, it's not consistent |
| 05:54 | <twb> | Although it's a lot more consistent than it used to be :-) |
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| 05:55 | <pumpernickel> | twb yeah I know, that it's not consistent (otherwise it wouldn't be debian ;) ) |
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| 07:22 | <flabbert> | hi |
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| 08:24 | <erle-> | Is there a way to install both nividia and nouveau in parallel and select the video driver at boot time, e.g. in GRUB? |
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| 08:26 | <Mister00X> | erle-: That depends on how the nivida-firmware blacklists the nouveau I guess |
| 08:27 | <pumpernickel> | erle- you could have 2 entries for the current kernel, in which 1 blacklists nouveau and the other the nvidia driver |
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| 08:36 | <erle-> | pumpernickel, via kernel entry argument in GRUB? |
| 08:37 | <pumpernickel> | erle- yes |
| 08:38 | <pumpernickel> | erle- module_to_blacklist.blacklist=yes |
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| 13:31 | <demo_> | hola a todos |
| 13:32 | <demo_> | ¿este canal es de ayuda en debian? |
| 13:32 | <sney> | si, pero ingles solamente |
| 13:32 | <sney> | !es |
| 13:32 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/ |
| 13:33 | <demo_> | ok thanks ;) |
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| 13:44 | <demo_> | Nobody speaks in Spanish chat, I think I'd better try here |
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| 13:50 | <demo_> | I am using mx linux 15 with kernel 3.16 PAE, my pc is old, and I am having sound problems |
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| 13:50 | <towo`> | demo_, and you are in the wrong channel |
| 13:51 | <demo_> | And which is the correct one? |
| 13:51 | <towo`> | demo_, here is #debian, not #mxlinux |
| 13:51 | <towo`> | !mx |
| 13:51 | <dpkg> | i guess mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx |
| 13:51 | <towo`> | !mxlinux |
| 13:51 | <dpkg> | MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 13:52 | <demo_> | ok, thanks |
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| 13:54 | <sney> | and there is no reason to use an old distro for old hardware, unless you have very low memory. debian 10 i386 can run a desktop with 512MB, and it's actually current and has security support. |
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| 14:00 | <sney> | if your "old pc" was made any time after 2003 and has reasonable memory, it will perform exactly the same on current debian stable as it will on a 5-year-old mxlinux. |
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| 14:06 | <demo_> | My pc is from 2007, but I think the problem is in the kernel. With versions 5.xx it crashes, with versions 4.xx it sounds worse than with versions 3.xx. Also I think there are incompatibilities between kernel versions 3.xx and 4.xx due to the use of systemd, which prevents me from testing kernel versions in the same distro. |
| 14:08 | <petn-randall> | demo_: Yes, systemd uses cgroups for service isolation, which isn't available in ancient kernels. |
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| 14:10 | <demo_> | therefore I cannot downgrade from a recent distro |
| 14:12 | <petn-randall> | demo_: If your PC crashes with Debian bullseye, we can help you with debugging it. We can't help you with MX Linux, though, and their support probably doesn't support that old version, either. |
| 14:12 | <petn-randall> | demo_: What specs does your PC have? |
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| 14:16 | <demo_> | CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (-MCP-) speed/max~1800/3000 MHz Kernel~3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 Up~2:00 Mem~924.0/4048.4MB HDD~274.4GB(2.2% used) Procs~163 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.31 |
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| 14:17 | <demo_> | debian bullseye is the latest version? |
| 14:17 | <sney> | bullseye is the current testing, it hasn't been released yet |
| 14:18 | <petn-randall> | Wrong autocomplete in my mind. Debian *buster*, not *bullseye*. Sorry about that. |
| 14:18 | <sney> | that 'bu' has tripped me up a bunch too. |
| 14:19 | <petn-randall> | demo_: I'd use the 64bit version, it will have CPU optimizations that the 32bit version does not have. And the former is also much more tested. |
| 14:20 | <devicenull> | hm, is there a way to get debmirror to actually grab the installer images? even with `@sections="main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free";` I'm getting a `dists/buster/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/` directory that only has Packages.gz and Packages.xz |
| 14:20 | <devicenull> | and no actual files |
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| 14:21 | <levi> | hi |
| 14:21 | <levi> | i need help |
| 14:21 | <sney> | !ask |
| 14:21 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:22 | <imMute> | devicenull: the debs don't go that folder, they go in the pool/ folder. |
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| 14:22 | <devicenull> | imMute: I don't need the debs - I need the netboot linux/initrd |
| 14:23 | <imMute> | devicenull: I don't think those are on the APT mirror |
| 14:23 | <levi> | Im a newbie to linux and i installed Debian 10.7 |
| 14:23 | <devicenull> | well, they're on the mirror we run using ftpsync |
| 14:23 | <levi> | How to install wifi drivers |
| 14:23 | <devicenull> | just not on the one I'm setting up with debmirror |
| 14:23 | <levi> | pls help |
| 14:23 | <devicenull> | but I can just manually mirror them if I cant convince debmirror to do it |
| 14:23 | <demo_> | 64-bit "buster" work fine on my PC? |
| 14:23 | <FelixActually> | levi: What wireless card do you have? |
| 14:24 | <FelixActually> | Network card even |
| 14:24 | <imMute> | devicenull: I dunno. debmirror probably does mirroring differently than ftpsync then. |
| 14:25 | <levi> | this is the one i can know by this command "lspci -nn) right FelixActually |
| 14:26 | <FelixActually> | levi: Yeah, I didn't know that myself actually :p |
| 14:26 | <levi> | haha i just knew that 30 min ago lol |
| 14:27 | <levi> | ok, FelixActually here it's "Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter" |
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| 14:29 | <FelixActually> | I don't know if I'm correct here but it's possible it requires nonfree firmware, did you install the unofficial nonfree firmware version or the one you can find on the Debian site? |
| 14:29 | <petn-randall> | !firmware image |
| 14:29 | <dpkg> | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 14:29 | <levi> | i installed the offical one FelixActually |
| 14:30 | <levi> | not the non-offical |
| 14:30 | <sney> | you can also download the firmware-realtek package and install it manually, if you don't want to reinstall the whole OS. |
| 14:30 | <levi> | or free |
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| 14:31 | <FelixActually> | levi: Open a terminal and type nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:31 | <FelixActually> | Wait, I keep forgetting it needs sudo :/ |
| 14:31 | <FelixActually> | Press CTRL + X to quit out if you already did it and do it again with sudo before nano |
| 14:31 | <levi> | tell me for the love of god im not screwed and i have to install another version FelixActually |
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| 14:32 | <FelixActually> | You're not screwed, I can help you install the firmware |
| 14:33 | <FelixActually> | Have you entered sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list into a terminal? |
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| 14:33 | <levi> | okay # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 14:33 | <levi> | # A network mirror was not selected during install. The following entries |
| 14:33 | <levi> | # are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate |
| 14:33 | <levi> | # for your mirror of choice. |
| 14:33 | <levi> | # |
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| 14:34 | <FelixActually> | My body lies over the ocean, my body lies over the sea, I'm no good at astral projection, so bring back my body to me |
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| 14:35 | <sney> | !paste |
| 14:35 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 14:35 | <sney> | levi: also, you don't need to show us every single thing, just answer questions |
| 14:36 | <levi> | sney: im a newbie and i honetly have zero understanding of what the hell you guys talking about |
| 14:36 | <levi> | im sorry : |
| 14:37 | <petn-randall> | levi: Do you have a working Ethernet connection on that machine? Then you can easily fix the issue without reinstalling. |
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| 15:05 | <demo_> | just one question, will my old PC from 2007 work fine with 64 bit buster? |
| 15:06 | <sarnold> | if it's an amd64, probably |
| 15:06 | <sney> | we can't promise that it will "work fine", but an athlon 64 X2 with 4GB of memory should definitely try debian amd64 first. |
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| 15:09 | <demo_> | it's a CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ with 4GB RAM |
| 15:09 | <sney> | exactly |
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| 15:11 | <demo_> | ok, I'm going to download the iso |
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| 15:13 | <demo_> | it's frustrating, I want to use linux and it is being quite complicated for me by the hardware |
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| 15:14 | <petn-randall> | demo_: I imagine things are 10x more difficult if you use ancient distros. |
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| 15:16 | <demo_> | Yes, that too |
| 15:16 | <demo_> | thank you and have a happy new year! |
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| 15:19 | <levi> | hello |
| 15:19 | <petn-randall> | welcome back, levi |
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| 15:46 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | hi nit wits |
| 15:46 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | u not responding to me on matrix |
| 15:46 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | lolol |
| 15:46 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | not u guys! |
| 15:48 | <petn-randall> | Eryn_1983_FL: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 15:49 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | nope ignore me pls |
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| 16:52 | <user01> | hi can debian output 4k uhd content to a 4k uhd monitor? |
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| 16:52 | <sney> | if the video device and driver support it, sure |
| 16:52 | <user01> | is there a package needed or anything |
| 16:53 | <sney> | some video devices need firmware packages to enable all features |
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| 17:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | user01, if you tell us what video hardware you are asking about, we can give more detailed answers |
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| 17:41 | <tubnob> | i'm having troubles finding info about this package: libxcb-icccm.so.4 |
| 17:41 | <bremner> | that's not a packge, it's a library |
| 17:42 | <FelixActually> | That's no moon... :) |
| 17:42 | <bremner> | package ilibxcb-icccm4s |
| 17:42 | <tubnob> | i'm getting this error trying to open an AppImage that says: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb-icccm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:42 | <bremner> | err. |
| 17:43 | <bremner> | you should ask the person you got the appimage from. Or install libxcb-icccm4 |
| 17:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | ,file libxcb-icccm.so.4 |
| 17:43 | <judd> | Search for libxcb-icccm.so.4 in buster/amd64: libxcb-icccm4: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxcb-icccm.so.4 |
| 17:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | ,i libxcb-icccm4 |
| 17:43 | <judd> | Package libxcb-icccm4 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: utility libraries for X C Binding -- icccm. Version: 0.4.1-1.1; Size: 26.8k; Installed: 58k; Homepage: https://xcb.freedesktop.org |
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| 20:53 | <znoteer> | Anyone able and willing to explain why a file might have sequences of nulls in it, and why one might want to convert them into sparse blocks when using rsync (with -S, --sparse) |
| 20:54 | <znoteer> | I know about the null character in ascii, but what are they for? |
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| 21:00 | <sarnold> | znoteer: it's common with database-ish kinds of files; you might start every new record on a new megabyte for example, and if records are shorter than a megabyte, the kernel can fill in a bunch of zeros for you, save writing them to disk, etc |
| 21:01 | <sarnold> | znoteer: one popular use is for a filesystem stored in a file, and accessed vie a loopback mount: you can create a terabyte-sized sparse file that will take just a few kilobytes on disk.. |
| 21:02 | <sarnold> | znoteer: then when you run mke2fs on it to turn it into a filesystem, it'll grow to a few hundred megabytes perhaps, and then when you start adding data, it'll grow in line with whatever you add |
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| 21:14 | <znoteer> | I guess that's what virtualbox does with its fs files, sarnold? |
| 21:14 | <sarnold> | znoteer: yes, probably |
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| 21:15 | <znoteer> | but so what are the implications of telling rsynce to create sparse blocks instead of copying the nulls that may exist in an existing file that is to be copied? |
| 21:16 | <znoteer> | can you get the nulls back some way when you restore? |
| 21:16 | <sarnold> | there's probably some slight overhead in looking for large enough runs of null bytes |
| 21:17 | <sarnold> | I don't know off-hand what it would look like, but rsync's partial processing may be more expensive.. certainly handling files as big blocks of "don't care" bytes is much much faster |
| 21:17 | <sarnold> | and some files may be sparse by accident, in which case the special-case handling of those sparse spaces in the kernel may not be worth the trouble |
| 21:19 | <sarnold> | for something like /var/log/lastlog, the space savings on disk certainly justify the sparse handling |
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| 21:19 | <sarnold> | but some files may just have one kilobyte of zeros by accident, and the sparse handling isn't worht the trouble |
| 21:20 | <twb> | isn't lastlog usually <1 block long? |
| 21:20 | <twb> | The prototypical use for sparse files that occurs to me is thin-provisioning of raw disks as files |
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| 21:21 | <sarnold> | 17K /var/log/lastlog |
| 21:21 | <sarnold> | userids are huge these days |
| 21:21 | <twb> | 300K on my presonal netbook :) |
| 21:21 | <sarnold> | actually why the heck is mine so long.. |
| 21:21 | <sarnold> | why is yours so much worse? :) |
| 21:22 | <znoteer> | 18M on my laptop |
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| 21:22 | <twb> | there's no actual data in it according to od x |
| 21:22 | <sarnold> | znoteer: ls -lh or du -sh ? |
| 21:22 | <twb> | I compared du and du --apparent-size |
| 21:22 | <znoteer> | ls -lh |
| 21:22 | <sarnold> | ± od -x /var/log/lastlog | wc -l |
| 21:22 | <sarnold> | 12 |
| 21:22 | <sarnold> | hahahahahaha. twb wins the day :) |
| 21:22 | <sarnold> | znoteer: compare du -sh :) |
| 21:23 | <twb> | I would speculate the 18M happens becaue of systemd DynamicUser=yes |
| 21:23 | <znoteer> | oh boy! 246K |
| 21:23 | <twb> | Which creates large UIDs |
| 21:24 | <twb> | however compression=lz4 would negate that with no need for sparse |
| 21:25 | <znoteer> | but, if I create a sparse file with rsync, and later recopy that file back, will that fact that the file is now sparse instead of containing all the nulls be problem? |
| 21:25 | <znoteer> | ie, restore the file |
| 21:27 | <sarnold> | znoteer: it's basically transparent and unimportant for most applications |
| 21:28 | <znoteer> | thanks |
| 21:28 | <twb> | abrotman: rsync -S |
| 21:28 | <twb> | sorry bad completino |
| 21:28 | <znoteer> | so the decision to use -S comes down to whether you want to save disk space or processing time, right? |
| 21:28 | <twb> | rsync -S will actually punch holes where there weren't any before IIRC |
| 21:29 | <znoteer> | assuming you have files with lots of nulls |
| 21:29 | <znoteer> | what do you mean by punch holes? |
| 21:29 | <twb> | You should use -HAX if you can afford it; whether you should use -S is more debatable |
| 21:29 | <twb> | znoteer: as in if you have a non-sparse file with a lot of nuls, rsync -S will write it out sparse |
| 21:29 | <znoteer> | so? |
| 21:30 | <twb> | there are rare cases where that will cause a problem |
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| 21:31 | * | znoteer thinks he'll just leave -S out of it |
| 21:31 | <twb> | I think these days I would just make sure you used ZFS with compression=lz4 or zstd, and rsync --inplace |
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| 21:31 | <twb> | but yeah DEFINITELY you want -X if you have anything like system |
| 21:31 | <twb> | but yeah DEFINITELY you want -X if you have anything like systemd |
| 21:32 | <twb> | -A will mostly self-heal for systemd's main use case (journals) |
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| 21:32 | <sarnold> | twb: swap files are the first thing that comes to mind for something that can't handle sparse files; do you have any examples at hand? |
| 21:32 | <twb> | sarnold: random proprietary crap I guess? |
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| 21:33 | <twb> | So no I don't have a good example |
| 21:33 | * | znoteer believes his machines to be RPC free :) |
| 21:35 | <znoteer> | sarnold:, twb: thanks |
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| 21:38 | <sarnold> | twb: ah yes! that sounds quite likely :) I forget that even exists, hehe |
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