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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-01-09

---Logopened Sat Jan 09 00:00:47 2021
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00:01-!-simonpatapon is "Simon Patapon" on #buddhism #debian-next #oftc #debian #bitlbee
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00:06<lhvf> /msg znoteer Hello, are you available now? Can we talk now?
00:06<lhvf>*Sorry.. Typed in wrong manner..
00:10<lhvf>[...] I've typed in wrong manner.. [...]
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01:11<lifthrasil>@search shaun ellis
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01:29<bobes>xvideos
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01:33<H-var>hello, I am trying to connect to the samba server on debian via an android device, but I keep getting "failed to connect to /192.168.1.5 (port 445) from /:: (port 0) after 30000ms: connect failed: EACCES (permission denied)
01:33<H-var>I can however connect to it from another debian computer
01:33<H-var>how can I fix this?
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01:45<H-var>found it - it was antivirus on android lol
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03:54<anix>anyone know how to search for a keys on a gpg keyserver
03:54<anix>?
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06:05<Blohsh>hello there, when i click a folder or file in download it opens up with single click, while it should do that on double click.
06:05<Blohsh>how can i change that??
06:05<Tas-sos>Hello o/
06:06<Tas-sos>I install my Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) with LVM but unfortunatly I have very small `/var/` dir
06:06<Tas-sos>only with 5 GB
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06:06<pumpernickel>Blohsh is it KDE plasma?
06:07<Blohsh>pumpernickel: yup
06:07<Tas-sos>can I take some "space" from `/home` (150GB) and put it to `/var` ?
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06:09<pumpernickel>Blohsh system settings, workspace behavior and then general behaviour
06:09<pumpernickel>-u
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06:09<Blohsh>pumpernickel: found it thanks :)
06:10<pumpernickel>Blohsh yw
06:10<pumpernickel>Tas-sos i assume it's not that easy, as it would imply, removing /var (with relocating it first), make /home smaller, and then recreating it, but not sure if that still applies on LVM
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06:13<Tas-sos>Oh! Yes? I thought that this is the advantage of LVMs and that why install my system in LVMs
06:15<pumpernickel>Tas-sos as I said, not 100% sure, if it still applies to LVM, as in a non-lvm setup, the beginning of the partition is important, as you can only resize on the end of the partition, not the start
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06:34<another>pumpernickel: that does not apply to LVM
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06:39<Jad>Tas-sos, explore lvdisplay, vgdisplay, lvextend, resize2fs
06:41<pumpernickel>another thanks, will try to remember it ;)
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06:59<jhutchins>pumpernickel: The only advantage to using LVM in this case is that you can manipulate storage without taking the system off line.
06:59<jhutchins>pumpernickel: If you're running a 24/7 goverment ecommerce site, that matters. \
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07:00<jhutchins>pumpernickel: If you're running an in-house home server, just take the damn thing off line, fix it, and reboot.
07:01<pumpernickel>idk, why would I do that, I guess you are talking to tas-sos
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07:02<jhutchins>pumpernickel: I may have picked the wrong nick, but I'm so tired of people trying to do government level security and uptime for their home servers.
07:02<rudi_s>Being able to modify the system while it's running is really nice, even for non "24/7 goverment ecommerce site"s. Sure I could reboot, but why should I if there's an easy way to do it online.
07:03<rudi_s>So I use LVM on all my systems.
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07:04<jhutchins>We tried using LVM on the Boeing web site. Took the damn thing down, too much overhead. People scoff when I tell them the re is overhead. At that scale it matters.
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07:06<another>LVM was too much overhead for a website?
07:06<jhutchins>another: Boeing. 100th aniversary. Traffic.
07:07<rudi_s>I'ne never seen any overhead issues with LVM. But I have never used it for really large scale setups.
07:08<jhutchins>rudi_s: That's pretty much what everybody says when I bring it up. It's real.
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07:08<rudi_s>Well, as most users don't have this kind of setup it still makes LVM useful for most of them.
07:09<jhutchins>I think we had 70 front-end servers.
07:09<rudi_s>Btw. what was the issue? I/O latency?
07:09<jhutchins>Oh, yeah, really loved being able to stuff in an extra 100G for the log volume without taking Tennasee off-line.
07:10<jhutchins>rudi_s: Basically the I/O queue backed up until we started getting page lod errors, and basically the site was down.
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07:11<rudi_s>Interesting, and the same setup without LVM worked fine?
07:11<jhutchins>Yeah, it was just enough difference that it was make-or-break.
07:13<rudi_s>Hm, never expected so much overhead. I assumed it was minimal when compared to regular I/O latency.
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07:13<jhutchins>I mean, on the anniversary release, Aviation Week ++ Boeing 100 we were lucky not to set off the smoke detectors from the smell of burning money.
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07:15<another>hmm.. i'll keep that in mind should i ever have a large deployment
07:15<jhutchins>Fun times.
07:17<jhutchins>It's funny, I went from one-man shops to some of the largest shops in the world (not withstanding google and amazon).
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07:24<kartik>Hi, i am new to debian development. Can someone please suggest me how to get started, if i want to contribute to debian?
07:26<rudi_s>kartik: What exactly are you looking for? Helping maintain packages, help with bugs to improve packages, write documentation? There are many ways to help.
07:26<rudi_s>If you want to help with bugs, look at bugs.debian.org of packages you use and like and look if there are open bugs which require patches/help.
07:27<rudi_s>This can also include help to package new versions. Often it helps to ask the current maintainers (e.g. via mail).
07:28<rudi_s>Many packages of Debian are now managed in Git on https://salsa.debian.org/public so you can have a look at how they work. (Or download just the source with apt-get source $package-name.)
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07:30<rudi_s>Then there's the new maintainers guide how to create/update packages if you're interested in that. It's a little older but still covers many relevant parts: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
07:30<rudi_s>kartik: Oh, and here on OFTC there's the #debian-mentors channel which helps people wanting to contribute (mostly package related).
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07:31<rudi_s>And of course testing software and writing bug reports (and if possible patches) also helps.
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07:32<kartik>Okay, that's a lot of help. Thank You so much
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07:34<kartik>I am actually aiming for participating in GSOC 2021. So anything that could land me into it i am ready to do.
07:34<jhutchins>kartik: It can be useful to have a dual-boot system with both stable and testing. When testing breaks, you can use stable to report the bugs, and chroot to testing to update/fix it.
07:34<rudi_s>You're welcome ;-) - if you have any questions, just ask here (or in any other debian related channel). There are also mailing lists for more "complex" topics.
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07:35<rudi_s>Or a virual machine (or separate host, depending on your setup).
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08:36<Jad>kartik, I'm also working toward that, and Debian developers reference is a very good starting point. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.en.html and [How can you help Debian?] https://www.debian.org/intro/help
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09:45<debianuser21>I wish to use debian live with persistence. I clicked through many tutorials, but all I found is outdated and doesn't work.:-(
09:45<debianuser21>Anyone any hints for me?
09:46<pumpernickel>debianuser21 any reason not to just install on the drive?
09:46<bentham>debianuser21: Out of curiosity, why not just get two USB drives, put the Debian installer on one of them and install to the other one?
09:47<pumpernickel>bentham this is what I was asking ;)
09:47<bentham>pumpernickel: I see. It is a find question :)
09:47<bentham>er, a 'fine' question.
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09:48<bentham>(I've had this problem before and have found this solution to work well.)
09:49<debianuser21>@bentham: Would this still be portable then? Like I plug it into any (that can run debian) computer and it will work?
09:50<pumpernickel>debianuser21 yes
09:51<debianuser21>oh, great! For what ever reason I always asumed it is not.
09:51<pumpernickel>debianuser21 just make sure you install grub for legacy and efi
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09:53<debianuser21>A short hint at https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ would be great.
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09:57<bentham>Well, I'm presuming that you would be plugging it into computers of the same architecture (e.g. don't plug an amd64 USB stick into an arm64 device... but would you really be doing that?)
09:57<bentham>https://www.debian.org/ports/
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09:58<debianuser21>(yes, same architecture)
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10:04<bigindian>Hi there ! Just wondering if anyone here managed to use p2p wifi mode with a BCM43142 wifi+bt combo adapter ????
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10:05<bigindian>Hi there ! Just wondering if anyone here managed to use p2p wifi mode with a BCM43142 wifi+bt combo adapter ????I've looked around on the internet, found an old cached broadcom's product
10:05<bigindian>page saying that this wifi card was able to do p2p. But nothing on actually
10:05<bigindian>making it work with a debian-like system
10:05<bigindian>(sorryfor the duplicate line, bad paste !)
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12:15<sthiss>Hi all, im looking for help/advice. I use network-manager and vpn (mullvad) and everything works great. Occasionally my internet drops connection, when it does I see this error in daemon.log "Caused by: Error in NetworkManager DNS monitor" followed by what seems to be the real issue "systemd-resolved is not being used because: Systemd resolved not detected". I do not use systemd-resolved. Can I ask at a high level if enabling systemd-resolved might allow
12:15<sthiss>network-manager "FIX" itself when connectivity is re-established?
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12:50<micolash>hi, can someone help me with a problem I am having using the Debian-based PureOS?
12:51<sney>!based on debian
12:51<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
12:51<Sqrt{not}>!pureos
12:51<dpkg>PureOS and PureOSlight are French GNU/Linux live CD distributions, based on Debian's <testing> branch. http://pureos.org/ Ask me about <based on debian>.
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12:53<micolash>ok, thanks and sorry
12:53<Helle>oh, gg, the PureOS site got hacked ?
12:53<Helle>might want to report it to them
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12:54<micolash>actually I already did. Was just looking maybe for general help on debugging as well. But since it's off-topic I'm leaving
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13:43<dpkg>Test failed.
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14:21<Sqrt{not}>!pureos
14:21<dpkg>PureOS and PureOSlight are French GNU/Linux live CD distributions, based on Debian's <testing> branch. https://www.pureos.net/ Ask me about <based on debian>.
14:21*Sqrt{not} updated the link
14:21<sney>groovy
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14:54<Tas-sos>I have a fresh install of Debian GNU/Linux 10.7
14:54<Tas-sos>the source.list is only this ===> http://termbin.com/ig02q
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14:54<sney>!buster sources.list
14:54<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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14:55<Tas-sos>It looks pretty poor to me .. doesn't it?
14:55<sney>yes, apparently you were missing a network connection during the install. please see dpkg's message above.
14:55<Tas-sos>sep: Yes! Right! This! Why doesn't contain it by default ?
14:56<sney>the debian installer doesn't automatically enable a main network mirror for a system that doesn't appear to be connected to the internet.
14:57<Tas-sos>Oh.. hm.. Is it due to the fact that it probably did not find a network during the installation ?
14:57<sney>yes
14:58<Guest10106>Hello. I installed Debian Buster GNOME (from live image). Then I changed my sources.list to point to testing. After running sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade, I got message that some packages are held. After running sudo apt dist-upgrade, I got unmet dependency for libc6-dev
14:58<Tas-sos>Oh! Thank very nice! Thanks for the explane! I really appreciate it! Thank you
14:58<sney>Guest10106: as you can see from the topic, testing support is in #debian-next. however, the solution for that problem is 'apt full-upgrade libgcc1-'
14:59<Guest10106>Sorry, I'm on Mobile, so the chat is sligt clumsy.. let me try it :)
14:59<Tas-sos>But for my installation... during installation, I have connected the machine with ethernet...
14:59<Tas-sos>but... :-/ ok
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15:00<Guest10106>yea it's updating now ! Thanks @sney !
15:00<sney>np
15:00<sney>!mentions
15:00<dpkg>'@name' style mentions, common on social media and newer chat platforms, are not part of IRC. Most IRC clients ignore this kind of highlight. If you want to get someone's attention on IRC, don't @ them, simply type their nick at the beginning of the line.
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15:01<Tas-sos>thank you for the immediate help ... this is exactly what i was looking for .. what are the appropriate lines for system resources
15:01<Guest10106>Oops sorry again :)
15:02<sney>Tas-sos: appropriate lines?
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15:08<Tas-sos>what are the "default" - the ones that "should" exist
15:08<sney>Tas-sos: do you have the dpkg bot on ignore? It told you alread.y
15:08<sney>here it is again
15:08<sney>!buster sources.list
15:08<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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15:09<Tas-sos>yes yes I see thank you!! :-)
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15:14<ax562>sney is their a such thing as the "Debian Award"? You are always so helpful. You deserve it :P
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15:15<sney>aw, thanks. all I ask is that people learn and pay it forward.
15:16<zykotick9>ax562: +1 sney has come to my rescue several times.
15:19<ax562>+1000 he has come to my help so many times.
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15:21<ax562>sney btw I was able to point sh->bash properly using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash"
15:21<sney>ax562: yep, that's how you do that
15:21<Sqrt{not}>!prize sney
15:21*dpkg gives sney a My Little Pony.
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15:23<ax562>which pointed to bash properly. The point of this was to build "lfs" in debian 11. Unfortunately, even after this, and 2 different versions of lfs, I was getting compile errors all over the place. Most were random, which is super weird, but all related to gcc/glib.
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15:24<sney>ax562: because LFS is a separate distro, it's not really on-topic for debian support, regardless of the host system. plus, you will learn best if you hack at it alone.
15:24<ax562>AND all errors where similar/identical to errors I was getting when I did not point to bash properly.
15:24<sney>you want to be good like sney? unplug your network cable and figure it out solo
15:25<ax562>haha
15:25*sney genuinely spent a weekend like that on an old powerpc sometime in 2002
15:25<ax562>yeah, conclusion, the new gcc/glib do not play nice with lfs scripts.
15:25<ax562>last words :P
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16:15<Guest10108>I have no clue where I am
16:16<petn-randall>Guest10108: Welcome to #debian.
16:16<Guest10108>Thanks
16:17<Ganneff>internet, earth, sol system, milkyway, universe
16:17<petn-randall>Guest10108: If you have a Debian support question, feel free to ask.
16:17<Guest10108>Ok
16:17<petn-randall>Also what Ganneff said ;)
16:18<Guest10108>Is HexChat a specific thing to Whonix
16:19<petn-randall>Guest10108: hexchat is an IRC client that is shipped with many distros, including Debian.
16:20<Guest10108>Oh ok
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16:22<Sqrt{not}>!whonix
16:22<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net.
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16:26<Guest10108>Anyone here knows if Whonix is compatible with Linux softwares?
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16:29<another>wat? It's a Linux distro. It's gonna run "Linux software".
16:30<petn-randall>Guest10108: I'm guessing yes, but please direct all your Whonix questions to #whonix. This channel is reserved for Debian, any other distros are offtopic here, especially support questions.
16:30<Guest10108>Ok sorry
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16:32<petn-randall>No problem. If you happen to change your mind and install Debian, feel free to ask in here.
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18:06<garphyle>Howdy all. Been a rough day. I still cannot install steam or wine or lutris or some drivers and so on. Sney was helping me before and wanted a paste of my sources.list
18:06<garphyle>https://pastebin.com/W0EBgfnx
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18:08<zykotick9>garphyle: you need contrib and non-free added, then steam will be available (assuming you've already done the "dpkg --add-architecture i386")
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18:09<zykotick9>!non-free sources
18:09<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
18:09<garphyle>It wouldn't go. Thank you. How do I get them? Or should I go to google library for that? (Trying to keep my newbness under control)
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18:09<garphyle>thank you
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18:12<garphyle>that seems like such a simple fix for all the banging of my head against a brick.
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18:13<zykotick9>garphyle: <side-note> pastebin.com isn't great, using https://paste.debian.net/ would be better in future.
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18:14<garphyle>lol! That's part of what took me so long. Thank you
18:14<garphyle>bookmarked
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18:34<garphyle>OK, honest question. Would it be better since it's less than 24 hrs old to just go back and reinstall debian fresh again, or try and untangle all this?
18:35<petn-randall>garphyle: Unless you're 100% sure you've irreparably broken something, I wouldn't reinstall.
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18:43<garphyle>Thanks. I'll BB.
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20:40<RedBeard72>Where can I find the checksum for the 64 bit PC netinsit iso found here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ ?
20:42<themill>It's in the same directory as the ISO
20:43<RedBeard72>I downloaded it desktop by clicking the link and didn't get any checksum with it.
20:45<themill>you need to download the SHA512SUMS file too
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20:45<RedBeard72>right, and I don't see that file anywhere on https://www.debian.org/distrib/ and I didn't get it when I downloaded the netinst iso
20:45<themill>It's in the same directory on the server
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20:46<RedBeard72>can you point me to that directory, because I all I have is the above link with only the netinst iso image, and that's it?
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20:46<themill>edit the link?
20:47<themill>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.isohttps://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/
20:48<RedBeard72>that URL produces a "not found" error
20:48<RedBeard72>ok I see you provided it after that arrow
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20:50<RedBeard72>How was I supposed to find the second link you provided (with the directory) without asking for help here?
20:50<themill>the hashes are always in the same directory
20:51<RedBeard72>but how are you supposed to navigate from that directory from https://www.debian.org/distrib/
20:51<petn-randall>RedBeard72: Probably by reading the installation guide.
20:52<petn-randall>I do agree that it would be more convenient to have them linked.
20:53<RedBeard72>petn-randall, searched the installation guide ( https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ ) didn't find anything about checksums
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21:11<sney>(the website would probably be improved if the big Download button took people to a landing page with links to the netinst iso, index, and checksum, rather than just a straight file download)
21:11<RedBeard72>amen, sney
21:12<RedBeard72>If I install from a ISO DVD ( https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ ) what desktop do I get? (I want XFCE)
21:12<sney>you get the desktop that you select in the installer
21:12<RedBeard72>ok good.
21:12<RedBeard72>because the CD isos have an option for XFCE so I wasn't sure
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21:14<sney>every debian iso has the same installer with the same options. if something isn't included in the image, it can be fetched from a mirror instead, as long as you're connected to the internet during install
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21:16<sney>you can look at e.g. https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.7.0/amd64/list-dvd/ to find out what packages are included
21:16<petn-randall>RedBeard72: In 99% of the cases you want to use the netinstaller, or the firmware installer.
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21:16<petn-randall>RedBeard72: In 1% of the cases you're installing Debian in a remote location without internet access (like a nuclear power plant).
21:16<RedBeard72>lol
21:17<RedBeard72>well, I have to hook it the laptop up via Cat5 to the router, in an inconvenient location, so I wanted to minimize that time
21:17<RedBeard72>(does going the DVD route v. netinst minimize that time much?)
21:17<sney>there are plenty of reasons to prefer an offline installer, use what you want
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22:29<Snowdrop>Can someone help me, I've rendered my Bullseye pc unbootable.
22:30<sney>sure, ask your question with details in #debian-next
22:30<Snowdrop>Ok thanks
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