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04:11<studentxyz>hi, i downloaded and installed the latest deb iso net installer, and did an install as a guest encrypted using virt-manager, when it completed and rebooted, the screen shows ipxe then next line shows booting from hard disk... and then a blinking cursor below that..but its stuck there... any suggestions?
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05:06<twb>studentxyz: that sounds like the bootloader has not installed correctlyt
05:06<twb>studentxyz: boot a live medium and try to examine/rescue it
05:07<twb>studentxyz: where did the encryption come in?
05:10<studentxyz>during the installation process on the vm, it asked if i wanted to encrypt dev/vda afterwards, when i set encryption passphrase, it asked me where to put grub bootloader dev/sda or sda1, etc... i think i just hit continue without typing anything, then chose xfce as de....intsall completed and it rebooted..
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05:11<twb>That sounds to me like you've got LUKS on /dev/vda and then nowhere to put grub
05:12<studentxyz>i got confused when it first asked me about dev/vda then after the encryption it asked where to put grub on dev/sda sda1 or where i would prefer, but im pretty sure i left that blank and hit continue..
05:12<twb>Normally only /dev/vda1 or so would be encrypted
05:13<studentxyz>well that thats the thing, it first said dev/vda... after encryption asked where to put grub dev/sda (not vda) so i left it blank..
05:13<studentxyz>so thats where i would select to put the grub bootloader is on sda1? after the encryption?
05:13<twb>You don't have an sda
05:13<twb>its a VM so you only have /dev/vdXX disks
05:14<studentxyz>okay, sorry, thanks for clarifyin that. i will do it again right now..
05:14<twb>Normally your disk would be something like /boot unencrypted on /dev/vda1, then LUKS (i.e. encryption) on /dev/vda2, then LVM on LUKS, then / on LVM
05:15<twb>I think that's how guided partitioning does it
05:15<twb>If your $/GB download costs are cheap, I would just start over
05:16<twb>do a fresh install, but double-check at the partman (disk partitioning) and grub (bootloader) steps
05:16<studentxyz>also one quick question, it does also say on that screen where its gets stuck on "booting from hard disk" above that it says "seabios (version archlinux 1.14.0-1) is that normal with debian10?
05:16<twb>yes
05:16<twb>That is because virt-manager is running in arch linux
05:17<twb>seabios is the emulated mainboard's BIOS
05:17<studentxyz>ahhh okay that makes sense... lol thanks
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05:17<twb>You could instead set it to modern OVMF EFI firmware
05:17<twb>but if you do that virt-manager cannot bloody backup the VM >:-/
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05:17<studentxyz>thanks for all your info and bandwidth concern too, i appreciate that. i am starting over with that right now.
05:17<twb>I was very very very annoyed when I found out VMs *had to* be set to 1990s mode
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05:19<studentxyz>what would setting it to ovmf efi firmware do?
05:20<twb>makes it boot faster and with less legacy crap
05:20<studentxyz>ahh okay,gotcha, thx..
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05:45<studentxyz>twb: it worked, thanks for your help
05:46<bigindian>Hi everyone, I can't get full potential from my wifi adapter (broadcom 43142) with the linux driver. Do you think NDISWrapper can be a solution ?
05:46<bigindian>(I'm trying to use the p2p capability of the adapter)
05:46<pumpernickel>that's a name I didn't hear for a very long time ;)
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05:47<twb>In my experience the best option for broadcom hardware is to jump up and down on it
05:48<bigindian>twb: I feel you !!
05:48<bigindian>xD
05:48<twb>I assume "buy something better" is not an option
05:49<bigindian>Well, in fact I'm about to receive a new computer soon but I was hoping to use this old machine as some kind of multimedia center...
05:51<bigindian>(making p2p mode working would allow me to use miracast with my home tv screen)
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06:23<Muchine>Anybody here ?
06:25<pumpernickel>!anyone
06:25<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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06:28<bigindian>:x
06:29<twb>bigindian: oh it's not an appliance router?
06:29<shakka>yo
06:29<twb>bigindian: in that case you might be able to get a USB wifi adapter, but AIUI most of those are also garbage
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06:33<twb>bigindian: sorry I was getting my irc channels mixed up
06:33<twb>I thought thi was #openwrt
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06:33<uzer>evgeny
06:34<bigindian>twb: Hahaha ! NP ! It's an awful integrated wifi/bluetooth combo integrated in an old HP pavilion ! ^^
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06:34<twb>does that have any pcie slots free?
06:35<twb>I don't know offhand which chipsets will allow you to do various wifi modes (other than simple client)
06:35<twb>but qualcomm/atheros is a lot nicer to open source community than broadcom
06:36<bigindian>Duly noted ! I'll make some research to know if there are some free slots or will try to open the beast.
06:37<twb>blimey they want like A$60+ for a card
06:37<bigindian>Atheros is what I had on an Asus I used to use, you're right, it was far more efficient and easy to configure !
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06:38<twb>a whole gl.inet wifi router is only A$30
06:38<bigindian>$60 ???? OMG, I guess this computer will keep hanging on a hdmi cord ! xD
06:39<twb>bigindian: do you need *good* wifi or *any* wifi
06:39<twb>I bought a few GL.iNet GL-MT300N-V2 units and they worked quite well to add basic wifi to a server
06:39<twb>But they don't speak any of the modern versions of 802.11 (too old a chipset)
06:40<bigindian>I just got my new screen recently, never used miracast technology before but I guess the connection must be good to stream HD video flux isn't it ?
06:40<twb>I dunno what video streaming requires
06:41<twb>I was doing H.264 over mine to a tablet but I don't remember if I benched it
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06:43<bigindian>I've just took a look, this small device looks like a little swiss army knife !
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06:43<bigindian>Thanks for the ref, even if it doesn't fulfill this specific need, it can be useful in many cases ! :D
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07:39<studentxyz>i cant seem to sudo anything after installing deb in vm, i get error with user not in sudoers, when i searched that, it said i can add user either by EDITOR=nano visudo, but then it says no visudo
07:40<Brigo>studentxyz, is sudo installed?
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07:43<studentxyz>i tried usermod -aG sudo user but that says no usermod, i tried /sbin/usermod -aG sudo user that didnt work, i tried su then apt-get install sudo and error coud not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
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07:44<studentxyz>if i just type in sudo as regular user, it lists usage for sudo, and if i type which sudo, it shows /usr/bin/sudo so im not i understand why i cant get it to work
07:49<twb>studentxyz: "visudo" is only available to root (it's in /usr/sbin)
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07:49<twb>studentxyz: open a text shell with Ctrl+Alt+F3. Get back with Alt+Left a few times
07:49<studentxyz>ok
07:49<twb>studentxyz: from the text "login:" prompt, log in as yourself and try sudo there
07:50<twb>it may be your install somehow broke your logged-in session but not your account in general
07:50<twb>If this does not work, you will need a different login account, or to log in directly as root.
07:50<jmcnaught>!buster su
07:50<dpkg>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
07:51<twb>su used to? Ewwwww
07:52<Mister00X>studentxyz: Did you gave your system a root password when installing it?
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07:56<studentxyz>hey sorry, got stuck there for a bit trying to figure out how to exit from that cli on host system, when deb is on vm... sorry, one sec, gonna try that again in vm..
07:57<studentxyz>Mister00X: yes i did
07:57<Mister00X>studentxyz: In that case you dont have sudo by default
07:58<Mister00X>you have to use su -
07:58<Mister00X>to become root and execute your commands
07:58<Mister00X>and exit the superuser mode afterwards
08:03<studentxyz>anything i try now, even with what you suggested twb and Mister00X the message i get is "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend -opn (11: resource temporarily unavaliable) unable to acquire the dpkg front end is other process using it?
08:04<Mister00X>studentxyz: but were you able to become root using su -
08:04<Mister00X>?
08:04<studentxyz>yes
08:05<Mister00X>good.
08:05<studentxyz>open nm, figured it out, had synaptc package manager gui open while i was trying to do other stuff in terminal
08:05<studentxyz>sorry everyone, i didnt know until i tryied closing everything.. new to linux
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08:09<twb>studentxyz: no problem! Everyone is new once! :-)
08:09<studentxyz>:-)
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08:56<tonrod>is it possible to install brave browser in a slef contained environment (docker, jail, etc)?
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09:01<abrotman>tonrod: like a chroot? or more isolated?
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09:02<tonrod>abrotman: chroot would be fine
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09:02<tonrod>can you point to some howto?
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09:10<twb>brave already has that functionality built in
09:10<twb>You just need to unlock non-root unshare()
09:11<twb>tonrod: http://ix.io/2Ly7
09:12<twb>see that sysctl there (and also the warnings)
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09:40<znoteer>I'm trying to make a tarball of /etc with cpio. /etc/alternatives has lots of softlinks. When I use "cpio -oanv -H ustar" the tarball contains the files pointed to by the symlings rather than the symlinks. How does one get a tarball to contain the soft links rather than the file pointed to? I tried "-l" but that is apparently only for copy-pass mode, not for copy-out mode
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09:46<math>Hello all. I just installed Debian 10.7 on my Dell Latitude E5540 laptop and I have trouble with my trackpad. I cant use the trackpad to click. I think my trackpad is listed as an "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"
09:47<math>Nevermind i got it to work, sorry
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09:49<abrotman>Glad to help
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09:55<tonrod>twb, abrotman: thanks
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10:01<ed>Hello. There are some packages in debian testing I really want to use with debian stable and I don't want to wait until july for the next release. How can I painlessly install a few specific packages from testing and keep the rest on stable?
10:01<dvs>!backports
10:01<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:01<ed>I checked the backports package list and cinnamon isn't in there for backports.
10:01<jhutchins>ed: You can't. Testing is intended to be broken, and mixing it with stable breaks stable.
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10:02<ed>Is cinnamon 4.x available for backports?
10:06<dvs>ed: No, but cinnamon is several packages.
10:07<ed>What am I to do if I want a newer version of cinnamon that's availble for debian stable? There are some things I can't do on 3.x that 4.x can do.
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10:11<Sqrt{not}>ed, if you really need it, you should consider just upgrading to bullseye now. It is *almost* ready to become the new stable, in a couple months.
10:12<ed>Won't there be no security updates to testing once it soft/hard freezes?
10:13<jimpop>does bullseye have static bridges/br0 working now?
10:13<jimpop>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319832
10:13<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/319832 in bridge-utils (open): «bridge-utils: cannot handle more than one stanza in /etc/network/interfaces»; severity: normal; opened: 2005-07-25; last modified: 2018-03-21.
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10:21<TobiX>jimpop: Well, that issue seems to document a design flaw which has been in ifupdown since the start... I would suggest switching to a different network configuration tool...
10:21<ed>Once bullseye soft/hard freezes, does it still get security updates?
10:22<TobiX>ed: There is no security support for testing
10:22<TobiX>dpkg: testing security
10:22<dpkg>Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty).
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10:22<jhutchins>ed: Security updates are part of the standard bug-fix patching process. They don't get published as soon as stable security updates, but the get incorporated into the final release packages.
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10:23<jhutchins>ed: You should expect testing to be behind on security patches.
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10:26<jimpop>TobiX: suggestions for a different network configuration tool?
10:27<TobiX>jimpop: I personally like systemd-networkd
10:28<jimpop>this is for servers, so anything you can recommend besides that?
10:28<TobiX>Yes, I'm using systemd-networkd on all my servers
10:28<jimpop>with static IPs and static resolvers?
10:29<TobiX>Yes
10:29<jimpop>and bridge interfaces?
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10:30<jimpop>can you provide some specifics on how you setup statically defined bridges/br0 with systemd-networkd
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10:30<jimpop>please.
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10:35<TobiX>jimpop: Currently no access to most of my systems, but most of my config files are quite boring and match the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdNetworkd
10:37<jimpop>i started with that link a few years back and never could get it to work with openvpn without the br0 interface constently resetting
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10:41<jimpop>I guess I will test it again. Thx TobiX. I would appreciate it if you could get me some specifics on that when you get access back to your systems. Thanks!
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11:14<mohsin>hi guys
11:15<mohsin>I am trying to install dockers on debian ..and trying to follow the process on dockers site
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11:16<mohsin>the install for gnupg-agent fails .. Package gnupg-agent is not available
11:16<mohsin>I have no clue what to do about it
11:17<pumpernickel>,v gnupg-agent
11:17<mohsin>the package is listed at https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnupg
11:17<judd>Package: gnupg-agent on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.26-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.0.26-6+deb8u2; stretch-security: 2.1.18-8~deb9u2; stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u4; stretch-backports: 2.2.12-1+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.12-1+deb10u1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.2.20-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.2.20-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.2.20-1; sid: 2.2.20-1
11:18<pumpernickel>mohsin, apt policy gnupg-agent
11:18<mohsin>pumpernickel: sorry I did not get it
11:18<pumpernickel>mohsin, what does the command give you back, use paste.debian.net
11:20<mohsin>http://paste.debian.net/1180460/
11:20<pumpernickel>mohsin apt policy
11:20<pumpernickel>oO do you have repos configured?
11:20<EmleyMoor>What ways are there to reduce the system loading of a shell script and any processes it starts? (for system tasks where slower execution doesn't matter if it keeps the rest of the system usable)
11:21<mohsin>pumpernickel: I believe so .. but how can I share the list with you
11:22<pumpernickel>mohsin just use the paste.debian.org (you can select the text and copy/paste it over)
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11:25<mohsin>pumpernickel: http://paste.debian.net/1180461/
11:26<pumpernickel>mohsin sorry have to run, but I will give you instructions
11:26<pumpernickel>!buster sources.list
11:26<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
11:26<pumpernickel>follow these then it will work :)
11:27<mohsin>thanks
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12:03<jhutchins>pumpernickel: If you have more problems feel free to ask again, someone here might know what to do.
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12:10<Beerman>schönes ding
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12:47<cicada>Hi all
12:47<cicada>anyone active here?
12:47<arto>hi cicada
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12:48<Guest10167>you are all debian users?
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12:48<arto>no one can tell
12:48<Guest10167>ok
12:48<Guest10167>wait
12:48<sney>the active people here are generally debian users.
12:48<Guest10167>my name was cicada
12:48<Guest10167>and now i am
12:48<Guest10167>guest10167
12:49<sney>that nick must have been owned by someone else
12:49<Guest10167>how can i change my name?
12:49<sney>you can change it with /nick
12:49<Guest10167>now?
12:49<Guest10167>it is not working
12:49<sney>!tias
12:49<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
12:49<Guest10167>.
12:49<sney>pick something other than 'cicada'
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12:50<Ciicada>uhh ok it worked now
12:50<Ciicada>thanks
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12:52<sney>did you have a debian question?
12:53<cicada__>no no i just asked
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13:03<jimpop>3 nicks in 6 mins, that has to be a new record
13:03<jhutchins>That's ok. We're focused on Debian support though, so we tend to keep the chat to the minimum.
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16:41<Lantizia>hey... if you're installing debian over serial... it looks like this... https://i.snipboard.io/kzm8PQ.jpg
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16:42<Lantizia>anyone got a scooby doo clue ... on what someone actually presses to get to option 2? i.e. a shell
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16:42<Mister00X>alt+F2 I think
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16:44<Lantizia>:) and how might someone send alt+F2 through a terminal ?:
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16:44<Lantizia>alt+F2 on my desktop opens the 'Run Application' dialog box (i'm a MATE user, i.e. fork of GNOME 2.x)
16:44<jmcnaught>Lantizia: try Ctrl-A then 2 (or a different number)
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16:45<Lantizia>nope
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16:47<jmcnaught>Lantizia: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533539/switch-tabs-in-debian-installer-over-serial-console-with-putty
16:47<Lantizia>this is picocom
16:47<jmcnaught>It worked for someone, maybe try the C-A, 1 combo again
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16:49<Mister00X>Lantizia: you could also try ctrl+B then 2
16:50<Lantizia>yup I saw that in the comments - no luck either
16:51<Lantizia>it seems ctrl+B does do something though as it moved the highlighted bit to <Go Back>
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16:52<Mister00X>Lantizia: I've never used a serial so i can't be a big help
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16:55<Lantizia>ah!
16:55<Lantizia>Ctrl+A Ctrl+A 2
16:55<Lantizia>:P
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16:55<Lantizia>as the debian installer uses screen (so a Ctrl+A for that) and my picocom considers Ctrl+A special too... so press it twice to actually send a real Ctrl+A :P
16:57<jmcnaught>good catch
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17:10<Lantizia>hmm i only did this because I wanted to make a vlan interface
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17:10<Lantizia>i'm sure I've done this successfully before (on a machine with a real monitor, not console - shouldn't make a difference)
17:10<Lantizia>but it seems it hasn't made a route
17:10<Lantizia>ip link add link enp1s0 name enp1s0.277 type vlan id 277
17:10<Lantizia>ip link set enp1s0 up
17:10<Lantizia>ip link set enp1s0.277 up
17:11<Lantizia>basically I run those 3 lines... then normally going back to the installer and selecting the vlan interface - everything else from then normally works fine
17:11<Lantizia>instead I get a red screen "An error occurred and the network configuration process has been aborted. You may retry it from the installation main menu"
17:14<Lantizia>oh that's odd - it just takes the interface down and I have to manually bring it back up again :S
17:14<Lantizia>obliviously the installer isn't expecting to be using a vlan interface :P
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17:23<ThatGuyNewt>Im haveing a crazy display glitch issue. any one around who might be able to help?
17:24<sney>ThatGuyNewt: ask your real question, if someone can help they will respond
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17:25<ThatGuyNewt>i just installed Debian xfce and when i log on or try anything with the display settings its distorts my screen terribly
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17:29<Sqrt{not}>ThatGuyNewt, does it look normal at any time or always distorted? what kind of computer and what kind of display hardware?
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17:42<ThatGuyNewt>when i reboot it will lok just fine, i can even useit normal. As soon as it locks and I log in it has the problem also if i try to change my resolution settings. can i share a link to a place I uploaded imgs to?
17:42<sney>sure
17:43<ThatGuyNewt>also its a Toshiba satilite (idk what yr but it has a win 7 sticker on it) amd Vision prosseser. how do i get my hardware information?
17:43<ThatGuyNewt>That link i talked about :: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/kuld0s/screen_distortion_i_recently_installed_debian/
17:43<sney>'lspci |grep -i vga' will usually get your video device(s)
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17:48<sney>ThatGuyNewt: the pictures don't tell us much without also knowing what devices you have. also, since you posted on reddit and you asked here... are you crossposting somewhere else as well?
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17:57<Sqrt{not}>Too bad... I have a win7-era satellite and buster xfce live system, but looks like they are getting help elsewhere
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18:17<ThatGuyNewt>"lspci" did not work, also i did also post in the debian section of www.linuxquestions.org
18:18<ThatGuyNewt>i dint mean to sin forgive me!!
18:18<sney>!crosspost
18:18<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
18:20<sney>ThatGuyNewt: if you want help from #debian, *at minimum* don't wander off for 30 minutes at a time when we ask you follow up questions, and don't waste our time by crossposting. the volunteers here have a lot of experience with linux driver issues and can probably solve your problem, if you can be bothered to respect us.
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18:23<ThatGuyNewt>dpkg ill keep all of this in mind in the future sney sorry, iv been on the phone with tmobile for 2 hrs. Its deffinetly not fun, i should have picked a better time to do this, i suppose i didnt expect help so quickly. Iv never actually used irc befor
18:23<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ThatGuyNewt
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18:24<sney>then come back when you can hold a conversation
18:24<ThatGuyNewt>i love how confrontational every one is here (not a joke)
18:24<sney>only when appropriate
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18:27<ThatGuyNewt>sney agreed, ill return at a better time. dpkg is it proper edict to now remove my issue from other places?
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18:29<sney>dpkg is a bot. you can do whatever you want, but if you get advice from those forum posts and try stuff, be sure to mention it so we don't have to go over the same stuff multiple times
18:29<dpkg>sney: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
18:29<sney>!botsnack
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18:39<studentxyz>how can i learn to install deb packages properly, like in arch, i can pacman -Ss namepkg to search for a package, or yay packagesearch, but when doing a apt-get --help there is nothing that shows search... basically i am trying to install kate from command line. and want to learn apt-get and deb without using google....its so frustrating with duckduckgo or searx... just horrible results, but finally with google on a different vm i was able
18:39<studentxyz>to find packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/kate/download within 1 search and 5 seconds. anyways, now how from that link do i know what to type into apt-get to install kate, cause that does NOTWORK
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18:40<sney>studentxyz: apt install ./foo.deb or dpkg -i ./foo.deb
18:40<sney>!refcard
18:40<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
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18:40<sney>!apt vs. apt-get
18:40<dpkg>apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
18:41<sney>apt-get does not have search, that was in apt-cache. the apt tool combines both and is more convenient for typical use
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18:42<studentxyz>so that would mean i would have to use a browser, search for it, download it by using a web browser... then open terminal and then install? that just seems like too many steps. isnt there an easier way to just one command i can type to both search and install if found or show alternative names like yay does on arch?
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18:42<studentxyz>thanks sney
18:43<studentxyz>that helps, i will try that right now to use apt instead of apt-get
18:43<Sqrt{not}>studentxyz, start with "man apt" man apt-get"
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18:44<studentxyz>just did that with apt, thanks :-) (didnt know about apt, just alwyas see apt-get whenever i glanced previously at deb distros...
18:44<studentxyz>thank you
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18:46<Sqrt{not}>studentxyz, you should be able to "apt install whatever-package"
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18:48<sney>'apt list' is a good one too, more condensed results. see e.g. 'apt list kate*'
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18:49<Sqrt{not}>you should be able to just type: apt install kate or apt-get install kate
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18:50<Sqrt{not}>!buster sources.list
18:50<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
18:50<studentxyz>apt-get install kate showed nothing... apt install kate started the install
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18:55<aeb_>hi i am on mxlinux and my sdcard is not being recognized, sometimes it does, but it seems like i have to reboot when i do. still i don't know when it is going to mount.
18:56<sney>!mxlinux
18:56<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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19:20<ThatGuyNewt>On my previous issue of "debian xfce grafics issue" I ended up finding a comand on stackexchange that restars my gpu ("sudo service lightdm restart")and this seems to fix the problem untill the system logs me out again. then the problem returns and i have to re issue command
19:21<sney>a band-aid, in other words
19:21<ThatGuyNewt>yes, a band-aid.
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19:23<sney>if restarting your xorg session clears up the artifacts temporarily, that sounds like a hardware problem but it's still too vague to say for sure
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19:26<ThatGuyNewt>iv benn 100% leaning towards a hardware problem since this problem first presented its self. maybe its a driver issue. im going to google how to update my drivers list right now
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19:36<studentxyz>sney: thanks for the 'apt list' suggestion, i like that a lot..
19:36<sney>np, I use it all the time too
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20:06<studentxyz>doing a man apt, the remove option, will that remove the package i installed with all the dependancies too? or do i use apt autoremove packagename?
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20:07<dvs>studentxyz: remove might not remove everything from that package. You need the purge command to do that. Then do an autoremove afterwards.
20:09<studentxyz>so for exampel 'apt purge kate && apt autoremove kate' im just trying to understand man apt instructions
20:10<sney>purge doesn't have anything to do with dependencies, it just removes config files
20:10<zykotick9>studentxyz: autoremove also doesn't need a package name it's just "apt autoremove"
20:11<sney>'apt remove kate && apt autoremove' might remove kate and all of its dependencies, but some might stay installed if they have a dependency relationship with anything else on your machine
20:11<sney>this may seem messy but most packages are very small so you won't actually notice
20:11<dvs>but the config files of kate will remain
20:12<sney>kate doesn't even have global config files
20:13<studentxyz>okay, but if they how do i know if they have any dependency relationships with anything else? i mean if they came only after installing kate, on xfce... then wouldnt all the kate related stuff be removed along with the qt stuff?
20:14<sney>some packages will have a Suggests field; those packages are not automatically installed, but if a suggested package gets installed another way, it won't be automatically removed
20:15<sney>this is all just general advice, for all I know, installing/removing kate on a system with the xfce desktop may remove all of kate's dependencies
20:15<studentxyz>sorry if silly questions, doing my best to learn here from man apt, apt --help, and here without using a browser as least as possible... from what i understand everything is included for resources on the system already for me to learn from right?
20:16<sney>yep, there will be man pages for basically everything on your system, as well as extra resources in /usr/share/doc/$packagename
20:16<studentxyz>okay ill give it a try 'apt remove kate && apt autoremove' then?
20:17<studentxyz>thanks for the /user/share/doc/$packagename, ill add that to my notes right now...
20:17<sney>np
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20:34<Sqrt{not}>studentxyz, Other resources you might like: https://debian-handbook.info/ https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html https://wiki.debian.org/
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21:16<studentxyz>Sqrt{not}: thank you
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