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00:01<mendel_munkis> so removing that file fixed dpkg, reinstalling the package made sure that the state stayed current.
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00:03<mendel_munkis>thanks for the debsums trick.
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00:29<micro_>hi
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00:31<micro_>what are we do here ?
00:31<sney>!irc
00:31<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
00:32<sney>if you're not here for help with debian, you'll probably want a different server.
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01:27<mikoxyz>Hey! I'm having a weird problem; my non-root user is unable to access the network (for example, this is the error when I run ping: 'ping: socket: Address family not supported by protocol'), even though root can access it just fine. I added the non-root user to the netdev group, but it didn't change anything. Has anyone encountered this (or a similar) problem before? PS: I've set this up using debootstrap on a shared NFS root, if that
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01:46<mikoxyz>Yeah, there's some weird permission thing going on; specifying -4 in ping gives me a "Operation not permitted" error.
01:46<mikoxyz>Specifying -6 gives me "Address family not supported by protocol", which makes sense since IPv6 is disabled.
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01:49<mikoxyz>Wait, do you need to install iptables/nftables?
01:50<mikoxyz>Nvm, iptables is already installed.
01:52<themill>What kernel are you running on?
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01:53<mikoxyz>themill: 4.19.160-2
01:54<themill>the postinst for ping tries to setcap cap_net_raw on /bin/ping and as a fallback tries to make it SUID. Both of those are likely to fail on nfs without some care
01:56<themill>(try «getcap /bin/ping» to see if cap_net_raw+ep is set)
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01:59<mikoxyz>themill: getcap says that the operation is not supported :/
01:59<mikoxyz>(running as root btw)
02:01<mikoxyz>Oh, NFS doesn't support getcap and setcap
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02:02<wannabe-mirror>the ubuntu-mirror at ftp.acc.umu.se would seem to be a little behind? normally i would send this to debian-mirrors but it would seem i am banned from there
02:02<onworks>Hey
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02:02<wannabe-mirror>hey
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02:04<mikoxyz>wannabe-mirror: Wouldn't that be more relevant on a Ubuntu channel?
02:05<onworks>how do I get on the dark web for free, ive gotten this far
02:06<wannabe-mirror>mikoxyz: quite possibly, but that server is still maintained by people associated with the debian project and as far as i know, it has no ubuntu domain name.
02:06<wannabe-mirror>onworks: tor browser bundle
02:07<mikoxyz>wannabe-mirror: Isn't sunet maintained by volunteers at the University of Umeå?
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02:08<wannabe-mirror>mikoxyz: ues, and those people are a central part of the debian project unless i am mistaking
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02:10<mikoxyz>wannabe-mirror: I don't believe they are, but I could be wrong; afaik they just provide the Swedish Debian mirror, which doesn't necessarily equal to being a central part of the Debian project.
02:11<mikoxyz>themill: I chrooted into the install and ran getcap: "/bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep"
02:12<wannabe-mirror>mikoxyz: alright then. an ubuntu channel you say...
02:12<mikoxyz>wannabe-mirror: Anyhow, I guess the only thing you can do is just to wait; it'll sync up with the upstream repos at some point.
02:12<mikoxyz>Most likely later today, but I don't know how often they sync.
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02:24<mikoxyz>The weird thing is, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server both depend on lipcap2, so I don't really undestand why it wouldn't work. Maybe there's a specific export setting you need to set, or something?
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02:31<mikoxyz>Fixed it! The solution is to run 'chmod -v u+s /bin/ping'; after doing that ping works just fine for non-root users.
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03:10<demo_>hi
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03:11<Sqrt{not}>hi demo_
03:12<demo_>i have driver files for ralink2870 but how to install
03:13<demo_>im in mx live
03:13<Sqrt{not}>sorry, I don't know mx linux, but they have their own support place
03:13<Sqrt{not}>!mxlinux
03:13<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
03:14<demo_>oh
03:14<demo_>i see
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03:19<ottavio>Hi, is it possible to create a user with a certain hardware profile, e.g. no access to audio, email, etc? I need to run an application in a sandbox. Chroot or a VM are not an option. The only thing I can thing of is create a user with no added groups.
03:20<azeem>email isn't hardware though
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03:21<ottavio>azeem: yes, I know. What I meant is that this application wants to send emails out and I want to block that.
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03:21<ottavio>It's an application built on top of Firefox + some java shit.
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03:23<ottavio>At the moment it runs with my user/group privileges. Alternatively, I could create a dummy user and let the app run with that user's credentials.
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03:24<Mister00X>ottavio: you could also jail it with firejail
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03:29<ottavio>Mister00X: problem is, there is also an external java app that restarts FF and how do I sandbox that?
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03:32<ottavio>I was thinking: If I create a user with no home directory and no access to audio, printer, etc, and then run the apps with "su - <user> -c "<path-to-app>"?
03:33<Mister00X>ottavio: I never really understood writing firejail profiles so idk that
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04:30<twb>I always forget how to read this (because different distros are different). Is this currently running the latest installed kernel? http://ix.io/2LS9
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04:47<ax562>twb you are running kernel 4.9.0-14. I'm assuming you are on buster. I'm not sure which is the latest and greatest for buster.
04:47<twb>ax562: it gets some extended support, at least
04:48<ax562>buster?
04:48<twb>it's only oldstable.
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04:48<ax562>oh ok. Have you tried bullseye?
04:49<twb>Sorry I think you're answering the wrong question
04:49<twb>I am not asking "can I get a newer kernel"
04:49<twb>I'm asking "has unattended-upgrades installed a kernel that I am not yet booted into?"
04:49<themill>twb: look at "uname -v" not "uname -r" to check if there's a newer kernel
04:49<themill>(oh, you are... duh)
04:50<twb>Specifically whether 4.9.246 there is mismatching 4.9.240
04:50<twb>Because I've screwed up that comparison before
04:51<themill>That seems to indicate that the currently booted kernel is not installed any more
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04:54<themill>(also, where's linux-image-4.9.0-14-amd64 from?)
04:55<twb>themill: did you see the command at the top?
04:55<twb>themill: or are you asking which apt repo?
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04:56<themill>ah, stretch/updates -- I'd missed that
04:58<themill>anyway, yes …240-2 was a security update from October, …246-2 from December
04:58<twb>Righto
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04:59<twb>To show what I mean about the formats being confusing, here's the next VM: http://ix.io/2LSj
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05:00<ottavio>I have removed openjdk and installed proprietary Java from Oracle. Can I safely remove gij-6?
05:00<twb>and the CentOS VMs, of course, aren't smart enough to even install security updates on their own. (RHEL GUIs get some RHEL subscription thing)
05:01<ottavio>$ update-alternatives --display java > https://termbin.com/ajgn
05:01<themill>twb: yeah... older Debian releases had even more strange ways of including the package version.
05:01<twb>ottavio: isn't gij from that ancient hokey GCC java stack, i.e. not even from icedtea/openjdk stack?
05:02<twb>themill: FTR that second paste was Ubuntu 18.04 + amazon dickery
05:02<themill>twb: but for Debian kernels, the package is linux-image-$(uname -r) and the package version is the middle bit of "uname -v".
05:02<themill>ack
05:02<ottavio>twb: It's gcj-6-jre-headless
05:03<twb>ottavio: I'm about 80% sure that gcj and openjdk are competitors
05:03<ottavio>twb: openjdk is no longer there.
05:03<twb>ottavio: if apt lets you remove it without removing anything you want, then I think you can do so safely
05:03<ottavio>https://termbin.com/ajgn
05:04<twb>ottavio: did you install oracle jre by adding oracle to apt sources.list?
05:04<ottavio>twb: no, by using java-package
05:04<ottavio>It went very smoothly.
05:05<twb>OK that looks sensible
05:05<ottavio>I used an old guide for whhezy but I use stretch.
05:05<twb>I know Oracle's fake MariaDB clone has a simple apt repo you can use. I hoped Oracle's fake java would be the same
05:05<ottavio>I needed Oracle Java for an app that refused to run on openjdk,
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05:07<ottavio>Ok, thanks. Removing gcj did not leave any orphans behind so I guess I'm a happy camper.
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05:09<ottavio>I love playing around with old/unsupported distros and see what happens. Usually nothing seriously bad.
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05:15<jm_>ottavio: regarding your previous question - when I needed a tool to prevent an app from having network access, I use bwrap command, or you could mess with tools like unshare directly (there are other namespace related tools)
05:16<twb>You can do even easier than that
05:16<ottavio>jm_: thanks but I need network access.
05:16<twb>ip netns create bugger
05:16<twb>ip netns exec bugger firefox
05:17<ottavio>I think I sorted the problem by deactivating the mailto: protocol in about:config.
05:17<twb>That runs with just the network isolated (everything else is free), and no interfaces shared with the "bugger" namespace
05:17<twb>Also if its a system daemon you can do PrivateNetwork=yes or AllowedAddresses=localhost
05:19<ottavio>That would be indeed an elegant solution.
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06:09<twb>I should note
06:10<twb>PrivateNetwork=yes is quite likely to break your daemon's ability to e.g. send panic emails or syslogs
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06:10<twb>So many daemons I have locked down, I had to leave them with lots of permissions so they can fork+exec maildrop (i.e. postfix's /usr/sbin/sendmail)
06:11<twb>It almost makes me wish sendmail was a dbus service
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09:09<LCRERGO>Hi, I've upgraded yesterday into debian testing and I noted that when go into a login shell with "su -", the command dircolors does not run properly(it always sets LS_COLORS to an empty string), is there any reason for that?
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09:11<jm_>LCRERGO: for help with testing try #debian-next, I would also check BTS
09:12<LCRERGO>@jm_ will do thx
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10:35<debianuser3>testing channel. can't see posts
10:35<debianuser3>has anyone had trouble getting their ledger nano s recognized? mine worked flawlessly up until the last os update.
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10:36<debianuser3>i have tried all the udev rules (which worked before). ledger advised me to switch to ubuntu, which i would prefer not doing
10:37<debianuser3>i can see the device id when i plug it in and unlock it. but ledgerlive does not recognize it anymore
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10:38<debianuser3>i also tried a clean install of debian on completely different hardware, with the same issue, so i don't think it's hardware specific
10:38<debianuser3>not tragic, as i can use my ledger on other operating systems. but i prefer debian
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10:39<blast007>was there a kernel update beween when it worked and now? you could try booting the previous kernel version from the GRUB menu.
10:40<debianuser3>blast, thank you. i will try this. it wasn't obvious to me how to do that from recovery mode. should the previous kernel option be available there. and no, i am not sure the kernel was updated, but i will definitely check
10:42<debianuser3>and i think i am referring to the debian recovery advanced options menu. i did not look at grub specifically so i will try that now.
10:42<blast007>recovery mode is something else (which probably uses the current kernel). Normally Debian keeps at least the current and previous kernel installed, and you can pick it from the boot menu.
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10:42<blast007>won't help on a clean install since there would only be one kernel, but it could help on the machine you've been running for a while
10:43<debianuser3>THANKS! will take a few minutes and try that
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10:59<apos>hello
10:59<petn-randall>hi apos
10:59<apos>whats up?
11:00<petn-randall>apos: Are you looking for some general chat?
11:00<apos>tbh its my first time on IRC chat
11:00<petn-randall>I guessed that :->
11:00<apos>believe it not 2020 and ive never used it
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11:01<petn-randall>apos: Well, too give you a quick primer, every channel has a certain topic, and for this one, #debian, it's exclusively Debian support.
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11:01<petn-randall>!chat
11:01<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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11:02<petn-randall>apos: For more general chat, and social chat, there are a few options. See above. ^^^
11:02<apos>oooooh ok thank you
11:02<debianuser3>blast007 --> i tried all available kernels, 4.19.0-10 thru -13 (current) and the problem persists. the problem coincided with both the os update, and also a ledgerlive update to 2.19. so i am going to bounce this back to ledger
11:03<debianuser3>seems odd, like i would expect a flurry of complaints if other users are having trouble. can anyone confirm that they are using a ledger nano successfully with current debian?
11:05<apos>hmmm ok last thing so i dont spam this channel with general stuff... so if i want to find a chat for general chatty chat i can join the debian offtopic or i can somehow (i will figure it slowly) join the irc.freenode.net?
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11:11<debianuser3>just to clarify, problem arose after upgrading ledgerlive to 2.19, on debian latest 10.7 (tried kernels 4.19.0-10-amd64 through and including 0-13-amd64). ledger nano s not recognized by ledgerlive, although i can see the device id when i plug it in and unlock it.
11:13<pumpernickel>debianuser3 what is ledgerlive?
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11:14<debianuser3>pumpernickel, it's a crypto wallet
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11:14<petn-randall>apos: Sure, you can join as many channels as you want. Just make sure to read the /topic first, so you know what it's about before speaking in it.
11:14<debianuser3>software
11:15<debianuser3>or maybe there's a better channel to ask these questions?
11:16<petn-randall>debianuser3: This is probably your best chance to get an answer, I just don't think there are many users that a) use ledger live b) use Debian, and c) are online right now.
11:16<pumpernickel>yeah
11:18<blast007>debianuser3: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/ledger-live-desktop/issues/3417
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11:34<debianuser3>blast007. fucking genius! thanks again!
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12:07<bremner>I have new minimal buster install. I see 6 agetty processes, and I can switch between virtual terminals, but I don't get a login prompt in any of them. Do I need to enable this?
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12:10<imMute>I think it sometimes takes a few seconds for the prompt to initially show up, since systemd spawns them on demand.
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12:14<bremner>hmm. OK, let me check again.
12:15<bremner>nope, I see "simplex tty1", but that's it.
12:16<tarzeau>telinit q after editing /etc/inittab used to fix that, it never suffered a lag
12:16<tarzeau>imMute: i've seen it take more than a few seconds...
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12:28<bremner>OK, I see the problem is actually things printing to the left of the visible part of the monitor.
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12:54<VOLTHOR6>hello everyone
12:55<VOLTHOR6>does anyone use fluxbox as their wm?
12:55<sney>!anyone
12:55<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:58<VOLTHOR6>how to make fluxbox icons look hi-res?
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13:00<L_ispiratore>hello debianist
13:00<L_ispiratore>sup?
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13:12<petn-randall>hi L_ispiratore, do you have a Debian support question?
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13:15<L_ispiratore>should have i?
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13:15<petn-randall>L_ispiratore: Well, this is a Debian support channel, so it's not too far-fetched.
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13:38<tonrod>Afte reading about the Diversity Statement, Community, etc, I wonder if there is an offshot of debian that has not gone woke. Does any one knows of any?
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13:38<tonrod>Ref: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Diversity , etc
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13:42<petn-randall>tonrod: Can't really recommend any here, as pretty much every project has a baseline of rules.
13:42<petn-randall>tonrod: Note that you have to agree to the CoC to be part of this channel, too.
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13:43<tonrod>petn-randall: Thanks for answering, without recommendations, do you know if any exist? I would think some would branch out after seeing debian going political
13:44<petn-randall>tonrod: Debian has *always* been political, from day 1.
13:44<tonrod>petn-randall: hmm, ok, thanks
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13:49<petn-randall>tonrod: You're of course free to fork Debian and create your own community that is not inclusive. Good luck with that.
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13:51<petn-randall>I mean, this is a pretty low bar to fail on: "No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community."
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13:56<tonrod>petn-randall: When you consider "identify yourself" it means that you do not accept objective reality, but instead you want "your perception" to be accepted as objective reality. And we know exactly where it has taken us (Jordan Peterson, language policing, distortion of meaning, etc)
13:57<bremner>tonrod: in any case this is offtopic here.
13:57<tonrod>Thus, letting this percolate in the software leads to Giant Tech Companies censoring free speech, etc
13:57<tonrod>I am out
13:57<petn-randall>tonrod: Thanks for leaving.
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14:01<tonrod>petn-randall: пожалуйта
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14:27<deb_user_10101>Hi, is this the correct channel for getting some help with debian? I'm having an issue with my quad monitor setup. Any time I put my cursor in the center of my screens (setup is in a square pattern) my computer freezes, no tty access, I cant REISUB. What information can I give you to help with troubleshooting?
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14:28<petn-randall>deb_user_10101: Hehehe, that is a very specific bug. Do you just have to put it near the region, or how do you align it to centre?
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14:29<deb_user_10101>If I put my cursor in the top left of my bottom right monitor (must be pixel perfect) it freezes
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14:30<deb_user_10101>Happens most often when Im trying to hit the "activities" button on my main monitr
14:31<deb_user_10101>Doesn't happen if I disable one of my monitors. One of them is a 1400x900 whereas the others are all 1080p
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14:33<deb_user_10101>I opened up syslog and it had some generic sounding erros about the display timing out
14:34<petn-randall>deb_user_10101: Are you using the non-free nvidia drivers?
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14:36<deb_user_10101>It appears that I am. my kernel driver is amdgpu. IIRC I had to install it because my gdm wouldnt start on boot
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14:38<Fraggle2>If you use amdgpu, you do not use nvidia drivers
14:38<deb_user_10101>oh my mistake, I guess I am selectivley blind. no Nvidia drivers, but I did need to install some proprietary non free amd drivers
14:39<deb_user_10101>im using and AMD radeon RX 580
14:39<deb_user_10101>an*
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14:39<Fraggle2>deb_user_10101: if you installed proprietary amd drivers you could try to uninstall them and switch to a newer (backported) kernel and firmware
14:40<Fraggle2>I do not use amd, but what I hear is that the open source drivers work good
14:40<petn-randall>this ^
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14:42<Fraggle2>deb_user_10101: another thing you could try is to switch between x.org and wayland, maybe this has some effect
14:42<Fraggle2>gnome/gdm default to wayland
14:43<deb_user_10101>thank you for your ideas, I will try to install the FOSS drivers now
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14:53<duszek>Tap to click doesn't work on touchpad, how to solve this problem?
14:55<diogenes_oftc>duszek, more info.
14:56<deb_user_10101>install gnome tweaks and check the touchpad/mousesettings?
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14:57<duszek>@diogenes_oftc it detects my touchpad as "PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad", but Debian avoiding closed-source means that there must be an open source driver to communicate with it
14:58<diogenes_oftc>duszek, what DE?
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14:58<duszek>diogenes_oftc, it's XFCE
14:59<diogenes_oftc>duszek, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
15:00<diogenes_oftc>most likely that one could help ^^^
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15:01<sney>this may be useful https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Enable_tapping_on_touchpad
15:01<duszek>diogenes_oftc, if i install will the tap to click automatically work?
15:02<diogenes_oftc>duszek, not automatically but it will be available in the settings.
15:03<duszek>diogenes_oftc, ithout any gnome-tweaks?
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15:03<diogenes_oftc>of course no gnome-tweaks are needed on Xfce.
15:04<duszek>ok, thank you
15:04<duszek>does debian 10 use libinput driver too?
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15:05<diogenes_oftc>yes
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15:06<duszek>also, how do i install a print server if i forgot to check it during installation? is there any command to bring back the list where can i choose these software?
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15:08<sney>or really just install cups
15:08<sney>,i cups
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15:08<judd>Package cups (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - PPD/driver support, web interface. Version: 2.2.10-6+deb10u4; Size: 366.2k; Installed: 1132k; Homepage: https://www.cups.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/cups
15:09<duszek>thank you
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15:12<duszek>also, i have no clamtk available graphically
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15:14<duszek>how do i put it in menu?
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16:32<H-var>hello, my computer got rebooted, and so is my problem with the pulseaudio tray plugin. There is a bug with it; removing and adding it back does solve the issue only until next reboot. Please read the chat log for the original description.
16:32<cOOl>hello
16:33<cOOl>maybe you can put it into autostart
16:33<H-var>I should post this though on the debian-next channel, since I'm downloading packages the bullseye repositories
16:33<cOOl>tried to reinstall it
16:34<H-var>" I have some weird issue with my pulseaudio plugin. It's like showing little x under the speaker in the tray, but all sounds are working, but I cannot change the volume though"
16:35<cOOl>so click on it and open the pulseaudio mixe
16:35<cOOl>r
16:35<cOOl>then level it on.
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16:36<cOOl>so click on the tray icon and choose the mixer..
16:36<cOOl>open it . what it is showing you
16:37<H-var>it's working normally, everything just as it should be
16:37<cOOl>so whats the problem in fact?
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16:37<H-var>BUT there's x under the speaker icon in the tray as if there was no audio output available, and there is no way to change the volume, not until you open the mixer, and use the sliders in the mixer
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16:39<cOOl>hm i had that after fresh installs, but if you click around in the mixer ? for me it was always solved once i unblocked it there
16:39<H-var>if I delete the tray plugin, and re-add it, then it's suddenly all okay
16:39<cOOl>tried to reinstall ?
16:39<H-var>but the next time I reboot, it changes back to the grayed out speaker in the tray with x on the icon
16:39<cOOl>pulseaudio
16:39<cOOl>pavucontrol
16:39<cOOl>pasystray
16:39<H-var>is there a command apt reinstall?
16:40<cOOl>that s what i put in my builds to get it working
16:40<cOOl>try apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol pasystray first
16:40<cOOl>it will show you the aps that are already installed and give you a message
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16:41<cOOl>apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol pasystray
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16:41<H-var>roger
16:41<cOOl>is your system up to date?
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16:42<cOOl>check first that all is up to date
16:42<cOOl>then try to install the tree pakages, it will deny if they are installed already
16:42<H-var>the following new packages will be installed: pasystray
16:42<H-var>ok, let's see
16:43<cOOl>yeah
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16:43<H-var>i'ma gonna restart now
16:44<cOOl>what desktop do you use ß
16:44<cOOl>?
16:44<cOOl>xfce?
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16:46<cOOl>sudo apt update
16:46<cOOl>lol
16:46<cOOl>wrong window..
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16:50<H-var>it didn't solve the issue
16:50<cOOl>so whats your desktop environment ?
16:50<H-var>I tried also reinstalling all of the packages
16:50<H-var>xfce 4.16
16:50<H-var>before the 4.16 update everything was okay
16:51<cOOl>you come from buster ?
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16:51<cOOl>update to bullseye?
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16:51<H-var>bull
16:51<H-var>also backports
16:52<cOOl>did you an system upgrade ? and when you came from debian 10 ?
16:52<H-var>I upgraded from 10.6 clean install
16:52<cOOl>hm so you wasnt on 10.7
16:52<cOOl>repos are ok ?
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16:53<H-var>oh wait
16:53<cOOl>so did you try to uninstall fully the xfce
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16:53<H-var>how to check my debian version?
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16:53<another>cat /etc/debian_version
16:53<cOOl>and then do a proper new install from scratch
16:53<H-var>bullseye/sid
16:53<H-var>yes, all correct
16:53<cOOl>yes
16:54<H-var>no, I didn't try to uninstall xfce fully
16:54<H-var>to make one tray icon work
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16:54<cOOl>in your case i would remove --purge the whole environment and then reinstall it
16:54<Fraggle2>this will have no effect anyway, as the config files stay the same
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16:55<cOOl>should purge to
16:55<cOOl>-
16:55<H-var>idk fraggle2 because last time xfce upgraded it like wiped my entire desktop setup to a clean slate
16:56<H-var>all panels and customizations were deleted
16:56<cOOl>should not be that thing to uninstall and then rm the configs from console
16:56<Fraggle2>H-var: maybe this is the effect of a new version. Reinstalling packages will not change your personal configuration in /home
16:56<cOOl>yes thats right
16:57<Fraggle2>starting with a clean home might be a good idea
16:57<cOOl>to delete /home/user/.config/xfce4 will do the trick
16:57<Fraggle2>of course backup first every file needed
16:57<cOOl>yeah
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16:58<cOOl>i would apt remove --purge the xfce4 env and the navigate in terminal to the /home/user/.config folder and rm the xfce4 in there
16:59<cOOl>rebooting in tty and then do a cleanup
16:59<H-var>I don't have issues with xfce, just only with one tray icon. Maybe there is a specific one file that I can remove instead of wiping the whole xfce desktop config?
16:59<cOOl>tried you to add a new tray icon
17:00<cOOl>maybe the icon is obsolete and a new fresh is to choose in panel config
17:00<H-var>in fact, xfce has probably been the most stable desktop I've ever tried on linux. This is the first time I have noticed anything wrong in 6 months of use
17:01<cOOl>had also issues by updating from buster to bullseye.. so i do only fresh installs from debian bullseye..
17:01<H-var>cool it's not only the icon, the media buttons do not function as well when that x on the speaker is present
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17:01<H-var>but it's kinda fake because if you go to the mixer app, you can easily control all the values
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17:02<cOOl>seems to be a mismatch in xfce and pulseaudio tray icon
17:02<cOOl>to wipe, uninstall and reinstall xfce would for me take 5 mins..
17:03<H-var>cool wiping stuff is kinda too advanced to me. I might not be able to recover after accidentally removing some package that is essential, and then I might run into some dependencies problems, and I'll be stuck because I am a beginner.
17:03<cOOl>ok
17:03<cOOl>but it is only the environment
17:04<Sqrt{not}>H-var, let me understand. you did a clean install of buster10.6, then upgraded to bullseye, yes ? what steps exactly did you do for that upgrade?
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17:04<H-var>yes, maybe it's the best thing to do because 4.16 was a huge update
17:04<cOOl>sudo apt-get remove xfce4-* and sudo apt-get remove --purge xfce4 will uninstall it
17:05<cOOl>after an reboot navigate from terminal to the configs to delete them. with : sudo rm -r /home/user/.config/xfce4
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17:05<cOOl>sudo reboot
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17:05<H-var>sqrt I simply updated the repository addresses from buster to bullseye
17:06<cOOl>again in terminal try to sudo apt install xfce4
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17:06<cOOl>yeah but as i read you came from 10.6 to 11
17:06<Sqrt{not}>H-var, after you changed the repositories, did you run any commands, like apt, apt-get, aptitude???
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17:06<cOOl>the clue is to full upgrade the buster thing first untill its last stand
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17:08<Sqrt{not}>H-var, did you follow any how-to or upgrade instructions from the web?
17:08<H-var>no, I juts asked here
17:09<Sqrt{not}>OK, and after asking, did you run any apt, apt-get, aptitude --- some commands like that to upgrade to bullseye?
17:09<cOOl>did you check if you have maybe another new icon to add in panel preferences
17:10<H-var>yes, I started with apt update, then apt upgrade, then apt full-upgrade, and in the end, apt dist-upgrade
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17:10<H-var>then I ran it all over again once more just in case
17:10<Sqrt{not}>OK, good. that is what I was asking
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17:11<H-var>cool, only pulseaudio plugin is there related to audio still, nothing new
17:11<cOOl>ok
17:12<H-var>I think maybe it's better to purge xfce since the change log is so huge
17:12<cOOl>thats the thing my maschines on testing and unstable in reinstall minimum twice a week hehe
17:12<H-var>is pulseaudio plugin part of xfce anyway?
17:13<cOOl>no
17:13<H-var>then it's not xfce's issue
17:13<cOOl>no its an xfce tray icon issue
17:13<cOOl>not a pulseausio issue
17:13<H-var>well, that's how it's called - "pulseaudio plugin"
17:13<cOOl>you told me that sound is working and in mixer you can control
17:14<H-var>yes, after I open it, but I cannot control it with multimedia buttons
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17:14<cOOl>so wait i will tell you what i put in my builds..
17:14<H-var>not until I remove the plugin, and re-add it
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17:15<cOOl>what you can do is to uninstall xfce , then wipe the configs and try a new install of xfce4
17:15<cOOl>but you should be familiar with the tty / terminal
17:15<cOOl>then
17:16<H-var>I am, until I run into some dependencies issue, then I'm screwed
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17:16<cOOl>what exactly is in your source.list
17:16<cOOl>to be proof first before changing smt
17:17<H-var>I just changed word buster with word bullseye
17:17<cOOl>yes but is all enabled ?
17:17<cOOl>main , contrib,
17:17<cOOl>non free
17:17<cOOl>?
17:17<H-var>all except security because security doesn't have any packages until bullseye is stable
17:18<H-var>yes, all of it
17:18<cOOl>ok
17:18<H-var>main, contrib, non-free
17:18<cOOl>ok i send the list of packages that iinclude in my builds
17:19<cOOl>xfce4
17:19<cOOl>xfce4-terminal
17:19<cOOl>xfce4-settings
17:19<cOOl>xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
17:19<cOOl>xfce4-power-manager
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17:19<cOOl>network-manager-gnome
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17:20<cOOl>all those packages you shoul keep in mind for a reinstall of xfce
17:20<cOOl>maybe xfce-goodies also
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17:20<cOOl>i guess you have lightdm installed
17:22<cOOl>so then its apretty simple way, just do 'apt remove --purge xfce*' from a tty after rebooting
17:22<Sqrt{not}>just a suggestion, but if you both are running testing and/or sid, you might get better advice if you move this discussion to #debian-next
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17:22<cOOl>then 'rm -r /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4
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17:23<cOOl>im on buster 10..
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17:23<cOOl>i have stable,testing,and sid
17:24<cOOl>but no bad idea to get there
17:24<cOOl>maybe another peoples around
17:24*another 's people are not around
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17:24<cOOl>m00
17:25<cOOl>so H-var
17:25<cOOl>H-var still here
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17:27<H-var> hi cool, sorry, my cat came home
17:28<cOOl>lol
17:28<cOOl>yo
17:28<H-var>okay, let me just make a photo of it all
17:28<cOOl>have only one maschine there ?
17:28<H-var>thank you cool, sqrt and fraggle2
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17:29<cOOl>the most important is to save your data
17:29<cOOl>as backup first of all
17:30<H-var>I don't have any important data on my install. I just keep all my stuff on a separate unmounted hdd
17:30<cOOl>ok so a proper reinstall is easy going
17:31<cOOl>i do that several times a day ;)
17:31<H-var>but I'll backup just in case it will not help, so I will just recover the image later, if anything goes wrong
17:31<H-var>lol cool
17:31<cOOl>but in any case learning by solving is bether
17:32<H-var>I installed debian in August and didn't have a need to login into windows ever once since then
17:32<cOOl>yeah lol six maschines running here, 4 pc and two laptops all with debian from buster 686 to buster amd64 to bullseye to sid.. all is invoked here
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17:34<H-var>I've been installing debian since then everywhere I go lol. Went to a friend's house with debian cd, and installed it on his pc lol and basically if I go somewhere I carry a debian cd and a usb stick haha and I'm just installing it on everyone's machines (with their permission first)
17:34<cOOl>yeah nice
17:35<H-var>my brother said "I have problems with viruses on my pc. Can you come over and fix it?" and I'm like "yeah :D"
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17:35<H-var>there, fixed it :D
17:35<cOOl>i started out in 2005 with linux , early years i was on ubuntu breezy badger was my first distro i used... i changed to debian after ubuntu introduced the unity desktop
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17:36<cOOl>so im on debian scine this days.. but mostly stable.. my servers still running stretch XD
17:36<H-var>yeah, unity is just osx wannabe (no offense)
17:36<H-var>same story here. I started with ubuntu, until the ugly gnome was introduced
17:37<cOOl>at moment im building my own distros for several purposes based on debian.. so im recompiling also the kernels
17:37<H-var>actually, my first experience with linux was fedora. Fedora is also really cool, but it's kinda slow lately.
17:37<cOOl>never tried fedora
17:37<cOOl>tried alot
17:38<cOOl>hehe
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17:39<tertu>I'm trying to run an ancient application I built from source that has no idea what Pulse is. How would i go about getting it to use pulse's alsa emulation?
17:39<cOOl>at moment im patching the debian 5.9 amd64 kernel with the wireless patches from the kali kernel .. shooted up my main maschine 3 times today lol.. but seems working now on my laptop.. was last try for today
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17:41<cOOl>tertu im not the pro in the sound thing, but saw a titorial last days somewhere in the web abou to downgrade fully to alsa
17:41<cOOl>was something with emulation..
17:42<H-var>every time I see all those packages that can be upgraded, I think of all the people who put their work into those packages, and it makes me realize again how many people are working every day on linux to make it better
17:43<cOOl>hehe
17:43<cOOl>yes
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17:43<tertu>I don't want to not use pulse, I just have this ancient application that doesn't support it
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17:49<jmcnaught>tertu: You could try something based on the example here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Expose_PulseAudio_sources,_sinks_and_mixers_to_ALSA
17:49<jmcnaught>tertu: a work-around might be to use pasuspender when you run the application.
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17:50<H-var>P Asus Pender?
17:52<Fraggle2>tertu: I think normally alsa output should be compatible with pulseaudio, do you see the pulseaudio device in alsamixer?
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17:53<Fraggle2>if it is a really old OSS program, you could try padsp
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17:54<Sqrt{not}>there is also aoss
17:54<Sqrt{not}>dpkg aoss
17:54<dpkg>aoss is a wrapper script (packaged for Debian in alsa-oss) to make programs use the ALSA Open Sound System (OSS) compatibility library. It just sets the appropriate LD_PRELOAD path and then runs the command. For an alternative which emulates the OSS kernel interface, ask me about <devdsp>.
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18:02<tertu>Yeah so the issue seems to be that PulseAudio doesn't support the audio buffer access mode it wants to use
18:02<tertu>In fact this program is notorious for that...
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18:04<tertu>aoss seems to work well enough for what i'm trying to do presently
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18:09<tertu>the net issue seems to be it's a cross-platform piece of software, and to make things easier for themselves they wrote a generic software mixing driver that writes interleaved samples to a memory mapped buffer, and they saw "oh sweet alsa supports this too" and used that mode exclusively, and PulseAudio appears not to implement it
18:10<tertu>i can't figure out where PulseAudio implements its alsa device
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18:46<meetryan>I'm running Debian 10.7 and using it as a Homebridge server. I've searched and searched by everything I do to update NodeJS from 10.23.1. The nodesource.com shows up when running the apt-get update, but it continues to say I'm up to date. Any idea how to make it update?
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18:52<sney>meetryan: if you are using a 3rd party repo you will need to refer to their documentation. generally, the package may have a different name than debian's, or you may have missed a step
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18:54<meetryan>Thank you, I've looked and everything tells me that it should do it auto. The repo appears to be in the list. When I run 'sudo apt-get update' I see Hit1-Hit4, where 1-3 are debian.org URLs and 4 is the nodesource.com. Is it possible to move the nodesource.com repo as item 1 ?
18:55<sney>the list order has nothing to do with package priority.
18:55<sney>you can look at 'apt policy' and 'apt policy packagename' to see how the packages are actually prioritized.
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18:58<sney>if your 3rd party repo has a suite name other than 'buster', you can specify it with -t, e.g. 'apt -t namegoeshere install nodejs'
19:02<cOOl>someone knows if is there a irc channel for people who use debian live-build
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22:29<lerriuqs98>I have a little headless Debian Stretch server that used to boot up and give me an ssh login pretty quickly, less than a minute, but now it's taking around five minutes, any idea how I can see what's going on during boot without connecting a monitor? I looked in "dmesg" just after the boot, the only thing I see is a long "gap" in time between these two lines: [ 24.693249] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eno1: link becomes ready
22:29<lerriuqs98> and [ 321.051243] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
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22:34<jmcnaught>lerriuqs98: "systemd-analyze blame"
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23:15<umuench>hello?
23:15<umuench>I have a question.
23:16<umuench>is it possible to get a install dvd/ISO with buster backports?
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23:18<umuench>I would like to install buster on my laptop but need also kernel 5.1+
23:18<umuench>no bullseye
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23:20<pumpernickel>Umuench sadly no
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23:26<umuench>test
23:26<umuench>test
23:26<umuench>can you read this?
23:26<pumpernickel>Yes
23:26<umuench>fine.
23:26<pumpernickel>there is no backports installer
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23:27<umuench>can I create one of a running system (vm)?
23:30<umuench>these are my first steps with Debian. I don't like Ubuntu. I don't know why 🤓
23:30<pumpernickel>umuench i'm not sure if live-build can integrate backports :/
23:30-!-ac_laptop [~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:31<umuench>or can I update a iso-image?
23:32<umuench>...integrate 🤓
23:33<umuench>that would be a great milestone for me.
23:33<pumpernickel>umuench does the installer run on the machine?
23:34<umuench>yes. but no internet-connection.
23:34<umuench>my wifi 6 🤓
23:34<umuench>you know...
23:36<umuench>I don't want install only this two packages...without any other dependencies.
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23:37<pumpernickel>umuench why not? kernel + firmware don't really have any dependencies
23:38<umuench>but why is on a vm more files installed, where I have tested it?
23:38<umuench>sorry for my English...i'm a German guy.
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23:39<pumpernickel>what do you mean by more files? umuench
23:39<umuench>or what MUST I do after installing? any idea?
23:40<pumpernickel>umuench first of all, I need to know what wifi device you have?
23:41<umuench>fullfil of recommends and suggests and others.
23:41<pumpernickel>umuench installing what/
23:41<pumpernickel>?
23:41<umuench>Intel 200 (killer networking 16...)
23:42<pumpernickel>you mean intel ax200?
23:43<umuench>I make a lspci for you with a live Linux (bullseye). but not now. I go to bed. is 6 am.
23:43<umuench>yes
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23:45<umuench>and a Wacom cintiq 16.
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23:46<umuench>that was my pointment not to change to Linux. but if it is running....i give Debian a chance.
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23:46<pumpernickel>umuench wacom is mostly pretty well supported (afair)
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23:47<umuench>homeschooling 🤓
23:47<umuench>ms windows 10...has its own app. whiteboard 🤓
23:48<pumpernickel>yeah
23:49<umuench>Debian or any other Linux Distro sleeping...is my impression.
23:49<umuench>Server hui, Client pfui.
23:49<umuench>a little bit German 🤓
23:51<pumpernickel>well for most companies servers are a usecase, desktop not so much. that's why the huge difference (plus a lot of manufacturers are dragging driver support linux)
23:52<umuench>but...if bullseye is stable...great shit! shit means positive...not the negative shit.
23:52<pumpernickel>lets see, bullseye went into freeze yesterday, so probably around 7 months to go till reelase
23:52<pumpernickel>release
23:53<umuench>I can't wait.
23:54<umuench>so I can install bullseye?
23:55<pumpernickel>umuench if you want
23:55<umuench>and what need I have to do, when bullseye released? any change in some configs? sorry...
23:55<pumpernickel>umuench no, it will roll over automatically to 'stable release'
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23:56<umuench>so I can simple switch from testing to stable?
23:57<pumpernickel>no, downgrading is not supported, but if you install bullseye now, it will stay bullseye ;)
23:57<pumpernickel>when bullseye will be stable it stays on bullseye and doesn't switch to the new testing
23:58<umuench>okay! that what I would hear.
23:58<umuench>thxs!
23:58<pumpernickel>yw ;)
23:58<umuench>great help!
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23:59<umuench>good night 🤓🤓🤓
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