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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-01-14

---Logopened Thu Jan 14 00:00:16 2021
---Daychanged Thu Jan 14 2021
00:00<umuench>6am...i don't believe. oh man.
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02:05<Techmaster>ive downloaded waterfox on my pi but i dont understand how to get it to install\
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02:14<lerriuqs98>I'm on Debian Sid and trying to run badblocks on some scavenged drives, but there seem to have been md raid on them before and badblocks it telling me "is apparently in use by the system; it's not safe to run badblocks!" -- I've run mdadm --stop on each of the /dev/md* devices that showed up in /proc/partitions but that didn't seem to help. Any idea? These are SAS drives so they're all showing up as /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-...
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02:15<lerriuqs98>Is there a way to disable the mdadm service entirely ? At the moment I have some junk showing up in /proc/mdstat showing a bunch of md118 etc.
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02:34<Techmaster>hey . soory for bothering n e one but i downloaded waterfox browser on my rasbian os (rasberry pi platform) but i dont understand how to install it ? can someone assist
02:34<jm_>lerriuqs98: for help with sid use #debian-next, as for raid, «dmsetup remove» shall help, but probably start by checking status with «lvs» and then «lvchange -an» each found LV before removing
02:35<jm_>Techmaster: are you using raspbian and not debian on it?
02:35<Techmaster>i have the rasberry icon for home menu
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02:38<jm_>I am asking which distribution are you running on your pi - we only support debian here, for help with raspbian OS go to #raspbian or #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net
02:39<lerriuqs98>jm_ Thanks! I found a solution from sphalerite over on the irc.freenode.net zfsonlinux# channel who suggested using "wipefs -af /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000cca23be03b90" on each of the drives, and also use mdadm --stop on each of the md devices showing up in /proc/mdstat, and that has done the trick, /proc/mdstat is empty now and badblocks is running normally.
02:40<jm_>lerriuqs98: yeah wipefs would be my next sttep :)
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02:42<lerriuqs98>jm_ Indeed, it's rare to recommend such potentially-destructive commands on a IRC, but I mentioned that the drives were scavenged from the past, and all data was considered gone. I'd forgotten that the mdadm signature resides at the end of the partition, I'd been doing things like erasing the beginning of the partition, and was wondering why it kept showing up in /proc/mdstat even after reboot...
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02:48<lerriuqs98>Is there a command to mount a filesystem given its label name? I used to do things like add to /etc/fstab an entry like "LABEL=your_label /mnt/your_mountpoint ext3 defaults,noauto,data=journal 0 0" and that would mount the filesystem after a reboot, but is there a way to do it manually using the mount command?
02:49<lerriuqs98>I can see /dev/disk/by-label has the labels of the two filesystems of interest.
02:52<lerriuqs98>Oh, it's like this: mount -L label_name_here /path/to/mount/point (easier than I'd expected).
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03:14<naoki>Linux is a bit difficult for me.
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06:08<bremner>any recommendations from experience for the amount of swap for a server with 384G of RAM and 40 cores, 80 threads?
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06:11<azeem>I'm currently running a health-check on a 500G RAM server with 44 cores, and that one has 3 GB of swap; I don't think more than 10 GB is customary, but it might depend on the work-load
06:11<azeem>certainly not the old "twice the RAM" or whatever it was recommendation from 2000
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06:23<bremner>yeah, 2x seems like overkill. It's a compute/benchmarking server, so not sure what that says. Maybe it's OK for jobs to fail out of memory. debian-installer chose 1G, which seems a bit small.
06:24<ach>livecd to ensure insecure
06:25<ach>(:
06:25*bremner looks blank
06:30<azeem>bremner: there's also the memory overcommit consideration
06:30<azeem>if you applications can deal with ENOMEM and handle it, it might be better to turn it off and escape the OOM killer
06:31<azeem>usually, if you need to swap somebody failed at resource management
06:31<bremner>yes, well, we're talking student code, so that seems pretty likely ;)
06:32<azeem>right, but I mean, there should be a mechanism (cgroups? container? queuing system?) that enforces resource caps and doesn't hope the student code will cooperate
06:32<bremner>yes, there will be some kind of queuing system.
06:33<bremner>so maybe I'll leave it for now and see if it's a problem in practice
06:36<zoke>https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/storage_administration_guide/ch-swapspace <- somewhat sane swap recommendations
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06:40<azeem>zoke: well it says "at least 4GB", but there's no upper limit
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06:41<zoke>azeem: I would start at 4 and add more if/when needed
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06:42<zoke>high swap usage is usually a sign of a misbehaving application anyway...
06:43<zoke>keeping unused data in memory
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06:44<zoke>swap usage will also depend on how aggressively the kernel swaps out memory pages
06:46<zoke>and student code will most likely not be long running daemons so swap usage should be fairly minimal on that
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07:06<L_ispiratore>i have some errors while i try to install Privoxy
07:06<L_ispiratore>can anyone help me?
07:07<azeem>!anyone
07:07<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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07:09<L_ispiratore>i got this error :
07:09<L_ispiratore>Creating config file /etc/privoxy/config with new version
07:09<L_ispiratore>privoxy.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it.
07:09<L_ispiratore>Setting up libunbound8:amd64 (1.9.0-2+deb10u2) ...
07:09<L_ispiratore>Setting up exim4-config (4.92-8+deb10u4) ...
07:09<L_ispiratore>Adding system-user for exim (v4)
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07:09<L_ispiratore> Package exim4-config which provides exim4-config-2 is not configured yet.
07:09<L_ispiratore>dpkg: error processing package exim4-base (--configure):
07:09<dpkg>l_ispiratore: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
07:09<L_ispiratore> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
07:09<L_ispiratore>Setting up doc-base (0.10.8) ...
07:09<L_ispiratore>Registering 25 doc-base files...
07:10<L_ispiratore>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of exim4-daemon-light:
07:10<dpkg>l_ispiratore: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
07:10<bentham>you'll get kicked again.
07:10<L_ispiratore> exim4-daemon-light depends on exim4-base (>= 4.92); however:
07:10<L_ispiratore> Package exim4-base is not configured yet.
07:10<L_ispiratore>dpkg: error processing package exim4-daemon-light (--configure):
07:10<dpkg>l_ispiratore: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
07:10<bentham>!paste
07:10<L_ispiratore> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
07:10<L_ispiratore>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bsd-mailx:
07:10<dpkg>l_ispiratore: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
07:10<L_ispiratore> bsd-mailx depends on default-mta | mail-transport-agent; however:
07:10<L_ispiratore> Package default-mta is not installed.
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07:10<azeem>L_ispiratore: we had to quiet you due to spamming, please use paste.debian.net
07:11<petn-randall>azeem: You have used +b, not +q.
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07:11<L_ispiratore>ok sorry
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07:12<petn-randall>!paste
07:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
07:12<petn-randall>L_ispiratore: Please use the paste site above. ^^^
07:15<L_ispiratore>done https://paste.debian.net/1181109
07:17<azeem>/usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf: 467: /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf: /usr/sbin/exim4: Operation not permitted
07:17<azeem>that sounds fishy
07:17<petn-randall>L_ispiratore: Is your disk full? It fails at updating the exim4 config.
07:17<azeem>L_ispiratore: also, did you set DEBCONF_FRONTEND to noninteractive or something, or did you configure exim4 previously?
07:20<L_ispiratore>Nope, my disk is not full petn-randall, no i did not configure exim4 previously
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07:23<L_ispiratore>i don't know what is exim4 i need only to install privoxy to run i2p
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07:26<jm_>exim is a mail transport agent
07:26<L_ispiratore>happy to know
07:29<jm_>if nothing else works consider swaaping it for a different MTA
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08:01<bentham>Is there a utility that would allow me to wrap a comand and force all of its connections through a particular tunnel?
08:02<petn-randall>bentham: No. What are you trying to do?
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08:09<bentham>e.g. I want to run a command that makes both TCP and UDP connections to the outside.
08:09<bentham>I want all of those connections to use a particular tunnel device, e.g. tun0
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08:09<bentham>(by connetions, I mean sends packets)
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08:10<bentham>I don't want it to send any packets via any other device. Also, I want other commands running at the same time to be able to use other devices.
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08:10<bentham>I would like to avoid creating a separate user and using iptables to firewall and redirect that user.
08:12<wgreenhouse>bentham: there is `firejail` for this purpose but it's kind of a miserable rar's nest of CVEs.
08:12<wgreenhouse>so I wouldn't recommend it if the code is untrusted and might try to bypass it
08:12<wgreenhouse>*rat's nest
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08:13<bentham>wgreenhouse: that makes sense. 'firejail' sounds like the sort of thing I want. :) The point is precisely that the code is untrusted indeed, and I want to guarantee that it does not bypass the firewall.
08:14<jm_>I think the point was about firejail being usanfe, not the app :)
08:14<bentham>How would you do this? Would you create a special user and use iptables to block it?
08:14<bentham>(and channel traffic through the tunnel)
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08:16<wgreenhouse>it uses kernel namespaces/cgroups so no need for a separate user
08:16<wgreenhouse>and yeah, what jm_ said--firejails itself may be able to be bypassed by things running inside
08:17<bentham>wgreenhouse: well, then firejail is not for me.
08:17<bentham>wgreenhouse: is iptables and separate user the next best thing or is there something else
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09:18<BCMM>bentham: network namespaces are the answer to the original question - there are various ways to make use of them
09:18<BCMM>they allow you to create a process that can only see network interfaces you allow them to see
09:19<bentham>BCMM: aha! Excellent, that is good to know.
09:19<bentham>Where can I learn more?
09:19<bentham>That sounds like exactly what I want.
09:20<BCMM>i don't know, i haven't really used them directly (things like firejail and docker make use of them)
09:21<bentham>BCMM: makes sense. I'm reading https://lwn.net/Articles/580893/
09:21<zoke>'man ip-netns' maybe?
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09:21<BCMM>this looks like a decent practical introduction to me https://itnext.io/create-your-own-network-namespace-90aaebc745d
09:21<BCMM>or, yeah, the docs for ip netns
09:22<bentham>BCMM, zoke: great, thanks!
09:22<bentham><3
09:23<bentham>(Now, why didn't I know about this twenty years ago?)
09:23<BCMM>bentham: it didn't exist then
09:25<bentham>BCMM: ah, good. That does make me feel a bit better.
09:25<BCMM>(one clue is that you pretty much have to use ip rather than ifconfig to interact with them)
09:26<bentham>BCMM: that is fine with me.
09:26<BCMM>i meant, that's a clue to it's age
09:26<BCMM>^its
09:26<bentham>ah, sure.
09:28<BCMM>hmm, it's from 2.6.24 (2008). i thought it was much newer than that
09:28<BCMM>i don't think i was aware of it until after stuff like Docker took off
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09:31<bentham>BCMM: now, can you tell me why the world needss firejail when we have ip netns?
09:32<BCMM>bentham: because people trying to isolate an application are often worried about other malicious actions that application might take, basically
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09:33<BCMM>it sets up the various other types of namespace also available in the linux kernel so that the application inside can't see most of the filesystem and can't see other processes
09:35<BCMM>i think the main intended use is to limit the scope of what a web browser can do, if the web browser is compromised
09:35<bentham>BCMM: I see. It sounds like it is trying to be a one-stop shop that solves multiple problems. But based on what jm_ said, that might be something of a misadventure if it cannot solve each of them well.
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09:37<bentham>BCMM: that makes sense to me. I might be concerned that web browsers might leak some network activity outside their configured proxy settings. For example, Firefox seems to like to talk to TURN servers directly even when it has a SOCKS5 proxy configured.
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09:37<bentham>Although more generally, I'd like to be able to take applications that use UDP and proxy them through a VPN.
09:37<bentham>(or something like a VPN, such as an ssh tunnel)
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09:38<bentham>And I'd like to protect against leaks, i.e. applications that want to reach out directly, ignoring my exhortations to use my proxy setup.
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09:41<bentham>I am admittedly a bit less concerned about software that is actively looking to enumerate my devices or seeking privilege escalation
09:41<zoke>routing upd packets differently can probably be enforced by something like 'ip rule add ipproto UDP lookup udprules'
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09:42<zoke>with a separate routing table called udprules
09:42<zoke>just a guess since I haven't tested it
09:42<bentham>zoke: yes, but I really don't want to do it at a system-wide basis. I want to do it for a single application.
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09:42<bentham>I agree something like what you describe can be forced to work, for example by creating a separate user and using that as a basis for filtering.
09:42<zoke>could probably be combinet with netns
09:43<bentham>zoke: hm, maybe. I'll look into it.
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09:44<bentham>Honestly I think that being able to set up a tunnel and use ip netns to force an application to use it seems like something that would generalise well.
09:44<BCMM>should be pretty easy to combine iptables with namespaces, since you can just filter based on interfaces (i say with teh confidence of somebody who does not actually know how to do it)
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09:44<zoke>i would suggest using nftables instead of iptables
09:44<wgreenhouse>rolling your own thing with `unhare` or `ip netns` or the systemd stuff to create a network namespace ( `machinectl` something or other?) all seem viable
09:44<wgreenhouse>*unshare
09:45<wgreenhouse>as far as I can tell, firejail's past CVEs are due to (a) trying to cover a lot of cases and (b) being a SUID program
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09:45<bentham>wgreenhouse: not surprised.
09:46<bentham>zoke: yea, I'm a dinosaur, I know.
09:47<wgreenhouse>bentham: SUID so that it will work for an unprivileged user on a system where user namespaces are disabled in kernel
09:47<zoke>bentham: likewise... took me a while to get used to the new synta
09:47<wgreenhouse>(which used to frequently be the case)
09:47<zoke>bentham: but now it feels more natural
09:48<hadret>hello, I need a hand with package building using gbp. this case uses multiple upstream tarballs, so there is foo_0.1.orig.tar.gz and foo_0.1.orig-bar.tar.gz. I'm able to issue gbp import-orig --uscan --pristine-tar --component=bar successfully and in fact I can everything correctly in all the branches (master, upstream and pristine-tar). the problem occurs when I'm actually trying to build the package, I get the error: "dpkg-source: error:
09:48<hadret> aborting due to unexpected upstream changes". dpkg-source points me to its --commit flag, but when I tried that via dpkg-source --commit bar, I get the error that it cannot find foo/debian/changelog. I'm certain I'm missing one step here to make it fly, but I simply don't see it. can anybody shed some light please?
09:48<bentham>wgreenhouse: makes sense; I'd need to think through the security implications of that.
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09:51<zoke>hadret: 'gbp dch' ?
09:51<zoke>hadret: to update the changelog
09:52<hadret>zoke this was done, the version is correct and git status is clean
09:52<hadret>I found this: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#How_to_use_multiple_upstream_tarballs_in_3.0_.28quilt.29_format.3F
09:52<hadret>so I guess I need to find gbp equivalent of this
09:53<hadret>this being dpkg-source -b
09:53<zoke>hadret: no more ideas atm... I usually use pbuilder
09:53<grove>Time comes terribly fast these days, A lot of stuff that I think of as recent is actually more than 10 years - I think it's an age thing
09:53<hadret>zoke: thank you anyway!
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12:58<cyberoptiq>I lost power during an update and now getting the errors shown in this pastebin: https://pastebin.com/GyAtN0xX
12:58<cyberoptiq>possible someone can help me out??
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13:02<sney>cyberoptiq: that's probably unrelated to your power failure. if you need that repo, follow the instructions again to add the gpg key, otherwise delete it from sources.list or sources.list.d/, wherever the entry is
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13:02<sney>(#debian does not support 3rd party repos so you will have to find and follow those instructions yourself)
13:03<cyberoptiq>well it only started once power was restored....otherwise beforehand updates were fine....this happened while the updating was in progress....
13:03<cyberoptiq>the power loss I mean happened while update was in progress....
13:03<cyberoptiq>I see, sney....gotcha....
13:03<sney>it is still more than likely a coincidence. regardless, the advice is the same.
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13:09<jhutchins>They may have neglected to update the package. SuSE is native RPM, they may not take proper care of .deb packages.
13:09<jhutchins>Cyrus: You could try apt -f install
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14:44<MMZF>hello there, i am trying to install debian, in partition i selected something else, now i have whole hdd free, i have to make partition, but i want to make os on 5th partition and make first 4 partition as data partitions how can i do that?
14:44<sney>!ig
14:44<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>.
14:45<sney>there is a whole chapter on partitioning disks, if you're stuck figuring out the partman interface
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14:47<Sqrt{not}>MMZF, almost everywhere in the installer, you have the choice to "go back" to the previous step
14:48<MMZF>Sqrt{not}: what should i make first 4 partitions? primary or logical, begining or end of space?
14:48<MMZF>and what shoiuld be the last one (os partition)
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14:49<MMZF>along with path
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14:51<MMZF>im confused :/
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14:51<sney>you are probably overcomplicating things
14:51<sney>why would you want 4 partitions for the OS?
14:52<MMZF>4 partitions before will be for data
14:52<MMZF>and last 5th will be for os
14:54<Sqrt{not}>!primary partition
14:54<dpkg>[primary partition] are partitions that are bootable. You cannot have more than four primary partitions per drive.
14:56<MMZF>ohk the fifth will be primary and other logical
14:56<MMZF>what would be the mount point? and begning or end of space?
14:57<Sqrt{not}>No, that is wrong
14:58<MMZF>oh got the begning and end point too..
14:58<MMZF>just what mount point i should use? /home?
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14:59<MMZF>3 logical and 1 primary
14:59<sney>!fhs
14:59<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
14:59<sney>this will help you understand what the top level dirs are for, and then you will know what mount points to use
15:00<sney>(you may also decide that you don't actually need separate partitions for /usr and /var and anything else, this is mostly an artifact of old unix systems, and fairly pointless on a modern system)
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15:07<erwan>hi :)
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15:20<imMute>sney: having a separate /var can be useful sometimes, like helping reduce fallout from logs going haywaire.
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15:26<bremner>but equally it can be a pain if /var is too small and apt fails
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15:32<bremner>uh, remind me, what does it mean if grub fails with "error: symbol `grub_calloc` not found.
15:34<jhutchins>imMute: In my experience, logs filling /var does a pretty good job of stopping the system from doing anything useful.
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15:34<jhutchins>Some programs just stop logging, others hang, and often hang the system.
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15:35<jhutchins>(We had a logging mess at NIC. Logs all over the place, no logrotate on prolific programs, other maintenance sysems not enabled. Some of it was a holdover from having been a Solaris shop.)
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15:55<ksyd_>I'm very bad at understanding all this IRC business. I need to identify my nick here but it says "Identify failed". How do I do this the right way?
15:58<blast007>ksyd_: check the information on the OFTC website (which is the IRC network you're currently on) https://www.oftc.net/
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16:00<ksyd>blast007: thank you. Problem solved - I just needed to reset my password.
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16:05<ksyd> /msg dpkg stretch-lts
16:05<ee2455>Does anybody know if the amdgpu driver (packaged as xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu) supports the Radeon *Pro* series of GPUs?
16:06<ee2455>I'm specifically insterested in the Radeon Pro WX 2100 GPU.
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16:09<pumpernickel>ee245 I guess not as there wouldn’t be a lot of people using it this way
16:09<pumpernickel>ee2455 ^
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16:13<blast007>ee2455: easy enough to try by using a live DVD with firmware: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.7.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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16:15<jhutchins>!radeon
16:15<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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16:16<ee2455>blast007: I don't have the GPU in question. I'm trying to find out if it's supported by an *open source* driver before buying it :-)
16:17<jhutchins>ee2455: It's easy enough to go to the Xwindows site, look up the driver, and see what chipsets it supports.
16:18<ee2455>jhutchins: Thanks for the advice, I'll do that.
16:20<ksyd>Has anyone had any problems when installing netinst image with iwlwifi as a deeded driver for wifi? I've heard that sometimes drivers aren't picked by the installer even the nonfree iso is used. I'm a little concerned.
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16:21<blast007>ksyd: are you actually having issues with it, or did you just hear rumors of issues?
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16:21<ee2455>pumpernickel: Not sure I understood you correctly -- in what way would a lot of people be using it?
16:23<ksyd>blast007: I heard rumors, yes. I'm a noob, so I don't want to mess anything up. I want a rock solid system. Tired of Ubuntu and Linux Mint. After updates there's always something broken or glitches
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16:23<blast007>ksyd: just make sure you prepare the installation media with a supported tool, if you're writing the ISO to USB. Don't use unetbootin or rufus.
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16:25<ksyd>Thank you. I usually use dd from command line or usb writer from mint. Are those okay?
16:25<ksyd>blast007: Thank you. I usually use dd from command line or usb writer from mint. Are those okay?
16:26<blast007>if it's the gnome image writer, then I've used that myself with success
16:26<ksyd>blast007: No, it's from Linux Mint team.
16:26<blast007>if in doubt, use dd or cp
16:26<ksyd>dd it is then
16:27<ksyd>blast007: thank you, again.
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16:30<ksyd>blast007: There's also another thing. I want to install a testing verstion (bullseye) because it has newer DE, and then stay on it since it'll become the stable version soon enough. I plan to per the wiki to first install stable version minimal with no desktop and then update to testing, and then install the desktop. How do I make the desktop automatically boot after installing it?
16:31<ksyd>I want to install cinnamon, by the way. And if it doesn't work for me then XFCE.
16:32<ksyd>I read I could use tasksel command to do that. But then what should I do. Will install lightdm automatically?
16:32<blast007>yeah, it'll start automatically if you do it that way, at least after a reboot
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16:34<ksyd>blast007: So lightdm will for sure be installed along with cinnamon automatically or will I have to do it after install cinnamon?
16:34<ksyd>blast007: Sorry for so many questions at the same time? I want to be really sure.
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16:34<ksyd>*Sorry for so many questions at the same time.
16:38<blast007>The tasksel task will install whatever cinnamon uses. I don't know if it iuses lightdm or gdm3.
16:39<ksyd>Oh. It doesn't really matter to me, as long as it'll be installed and I'll be able to see a graphical interface after reboot.
16:39<ksyd>blast007: Thank you very much.
16:39<blast007>you're welcome :)
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17:46<radioJim>Hi, all. I'm still pretty new to Linux in general, and I'm learning my way around IRC. I think I might have it working now?
17:47<Mister00X>we can read what you are typing
17:49<radioJim>Ok, great, thanks!
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18:02<alex11>well, we can read what you post :P
18:03<alex11>we can't read what you're *typing*
18:03<alex11>that would be a bit creepy
18:03<Mister00X>true
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18:13<jhutchins>radioJim: If you have questions about Debian this is the place to ask.
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22:24<keycollector>Is there a package that can used to preview markdown in a offline environment?
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22:26<sarnold>terminal-based or web-based thing?
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23:20<keycollector>sarnold: Either would work, i guess it would need to be web-based though cause our readme's have GIF's and such, which i dont think would work via terminal
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23:21<keycollector>Best thing i im aware currently would be a chrome/firefox extension, but those look like their all closed source from unreputable developers... too high risk to entire into a sensitive environment
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