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00:27<twb>You know you're on an old system when you see...
00:27<twb>The program 'apt' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
00:28<twb>sixpiece: are you saying that /usr/bin/dpkg does not exist?
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00:32<Celelibi>Hm... maybe the BTS should need a tag to say that the bug is caused by a debian-specific patch.
00:33<twb>Celelibi: "downstream"? ;-)
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01:42<sixpiece>twb correct dpkg was not installed I installed it now though
01:43<twb>sixpiece: if Debian lacks dpkg you have broken it pretty badly
01:43<sixpiece>no it came that way it's installed now
01:43<sixpiece>I just almost literally downloaded it and started using it
01:43<sixpiece>I'm trying to get the sound to work
01:44<petn-randall>sixpiece: How did you install dpkg without dpkg and apt?
01:44<sixpiece>it works as a root user but not on the user account
01:44<sixpiece>it was like dselect or something
01:44<sixpiece>apt-get works
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01:45<sixpiece>I will tell you ptn-randall one second
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01:46<twb>petn-randall: you can just unar it if you are smart enough
01:46<twb>Not for newbies tho
01:46<skynet_>wait you said dpkg is not available sixpiece
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01:46<sixpiece>sudo apt-get install dselect
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01:46<sixpiece>after that dpkg worked
01:47<sixpiece>I looked it up
01:47<skynet_>ok good to have your problem solved
01:47<twb>sixpiece: did you actually look at /usr/bin/dpkg like I asked?
01:47<sixpiece>well my problem is getting the sound card to work this was part of the path
01:47<twb>Note that you should never run "dpkg -i foo.deb" you should run "apt install ./foo.deb"
01:48<twb>The latter can deal with dependencies better
01:48<skynet_>yeah i never run dpkg -i despite a couple guides saying otherwise
01:48<sixpiece>there is a file there called dpkg
01:48<skynet_>well dpkg is included in every distribution
01:48<skynet_>unless you deleted dpkg
01:48<skynet_>with sudo rm -f or something
01:49<sixpiece>that I cannot affirm or not except I do
01:49<sixpiece>have a webserver
01:49<petn-randall>twb: That's something that I still can't get used to; I still use `dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get install -f` out of habit. A bad habit though.
01:49<sixpiece>running debian
01:49<sixpiece>I could check there
01:49<sixpiece>but I don't remember what I did
01:49<twb>petn-randall: historically it ought to be "gdebi"
01:49<skynet_>thats dangerous
01:49<twb>petn-randall: which was pretty atrocious
01:49<skynet_>i am also running on debian
01:49<skynet_>lmao
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01:50<skynet_>ok so now whats your problem sixpiece
01:50<sixpiece>no sound on the user account
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01:51<skynet_>ok...
01:51<skynet_>lspci | grep Audio
01:51<skynet_>run that ^
01:51<skynet_>print the output on pastebin (if it is like 50 lines) or here
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01:52<sixpiece>02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371/ES1373 / Creative Labs CT2518 (rev 02)
01:52<skynet_>ok gimme a sec
01:52<skynet_>ima go do some research
01:52<skynet_>https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-virtualization-and-cloud-90/sound-card-isue-vmware-workstation-player-and-centos-7-5-guest-4175634541/
01:53<skynet_>try reading that
01:53<sixpiece>ok thanks
01:53<skynet_>i dont find much problems about this soundcard on debian
01:53<skynet_>a lot of these problems occur on Cent OS 7
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01:55<sixpiece>interesting it said he just installed an app and then everything worked
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01:58<sixpiece>I tried to install that package it didn't work is this going to be the solution essentially?
01:58<sixpiece>that it's missing some type of package?
01:59<skynet_>do you have pulseaudio?
01:59<sixpiece>I believe so
01:59<skynet_>ok...
01:59<skynet_>try opening up pavucontrol
01:59<skynet_>if you dont have pavucontrol run sudo apt install pavucontrol
01:59<sixpiece>yes it shows up with a mute icon
01:59<skynet_>then unmute it
02:00<sixpiece>cannot
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02:00<skynet_>why cannot?
02:00<sixpiece>it won't do it there's like a speaker with a red x
02:00<sixpiece>white x and a red box
02:00<skynet_>huh thats weird
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02:01<sixpiece>and the sound works on root but it will not allow pavucontrol to run as roo
02:01<sixpiece>t
02:04<skynet_>oh ok...
02:04<skynet_>have you tried adding yourself into the audio group
02:04<sixpiece>already added
02:04<skynet_>and restarting your pc
02:04<sixpiece>yes
02:04<skynet_>hmmmmmm
02:05<sixpiece>sixpiece : sixpiece cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner
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02:05<skynet_>huh thats even more weird
02:05<skynet_>wait so running sudo pavucontrol
02:05<skynet_>you can turn on audio?
02:05<sixpiece>ece> yes
02:05<sixpiece><skynet_> hmmmmmm
02:05<sixpiece><sixpiece> sixpiece : sixpiece cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner
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02:06<sixpiece>no it does not allow pavucontrol in root mode
02:06<skynet_>then how did you find out audio works in root?
02:06<sixpiece>Unable to init server: Impossible de se connecter : Connexion refusée
02:06<sixpiece>I logged in as root
02:07<skynet_>oh ok
02:07<skynet_>gimme 2 hours
02:07<skynet_>I gtg for a while
02:07<sixpiece>ok thanks
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02:58<Guest10840>hi I am here leaving my laptop on instead of desktop since it needed a rest
02:59<Guest10840>going to sleep though
02:59<Guest10840>not sure how to use irc so well either
03:00<Guest10840>maybe I will just shut down
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03:02<FelixActually>Is there some way I can make GNU GRUB display text like "Press ESC for GRUB menu" with the "countdown" mode?
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03:06<twb>probably
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03:07<twb>I only know how to do it with extlinux and refind tho
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03:17<FelixActually>twb: Would those methods not apply to GRUB?
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03:22<twb>the config languages are different
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03:23<twb>It's like saying "if you can tell someone 'get off my bus, you bum!' in Japanese and Korean, why can't you do it in Hindi?"
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03:24<FelixActually>Yeah, I thought that might be the case :)
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03:43<skynet_>so I was contemplating on whether if I should upgrade from stable to sid
03:43<skynet_>but I'm worried that it may crash or have a full mental breakdown and corrupt all my files
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03:44<FelixActually>Do you do regular backups?
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03:46<skynet_>no
03:46<twb>haha at least honest
03:46<skynet_>i dont even know how to have a backup lmaow
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03:47<skynet_>been using debian stable for 2 years
03:47<twb>skynet_: there are many many ways
03:47<twb>rsnapshot is a very lo-fi option that is easy to get started with
03:47<skynet_>been a distro hopper for a year
03:47<skynet_>I've seen a lot of bullshitty problems
03:47<skynet_>lmaow
03:47<FelixActually>A basic explanation: Buy some external hard drives (preferably two at least, both with enough storage for all your files), copy the files you want backed up onto the drives; do that regularly
03:48<twb>I am a former rsnapshot dev; these days I use ZFS for everything
03:48<twb>FelixActually: yeah we roll a few solutions like that for airgapped sites
03:49<twb>We have a ~200 line shim on top of rsnapshot, but I don't think it's public
03:49<skynet_>any guides on how?
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03:49<skynet_>how regularly should i do backups?
03:49<skynet_>every 6 hours when a new update rolls out or something
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03:50<twb>skynet_: depends on your threat model
03:50<bole>skynet_ daily as a sysadmin
03:50<skynet_>wdym threat model
03:50<skynet_>im just a normal user who wants the latest packages
03:50<twb>skynet_: like if it's just porn it probably doesn't matter if you lose a whole week of new porn
03:50<skynet_>and well at least some stability
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03:51<skynet_>what-
03:51<skynet_>no i dont download porn
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03:51<FelixActually>Well you should, or you could lose it :)
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03:51<skynet_>well bookmarking them is more efficient
03:52<skynet_>i dont have pornhub premium :(
03:52<twb>that rather relies on the goodwill of archive.org
03:52<skynet_>what the hell is archive.org
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03:53<twb>archive.org is an archive of the internet
03:53<skynet_>ok so under the circumstances for a normal user, not a sys admin and i dont store porn, should i upgrade to sid and is it considered stable for daily use?
03:54<twb>For example https://web.archive.org/web/19700101/https://zombo.com
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03:54<skynet_>if it is recommended to upgrade to sid what should i do as a precaution when sid has a mental breakdown?
03:54<twb>!unstable
03:54<dpkg>Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
03:54<FelixActually>Heed the motto of the #debian-next room: "You may need to debug sometimes"
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03:55<skynet_>yeah thats normal for me
03:55<skynet_>i fuck up a lot of times
03:56<skynet_>my main priority is my mic and audio working
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03:56<FelixActually>What's your use case for wanting to use Unstable?
03:56<twb>Ta-da, USB HDD backup scripts now public: https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/datasafe-lite
03:56<skynet_>newest i3 packages
03:56<skynet_>thats all
03:56<skynet_>and not be using packages like dated 3 years ago
03:56<skynet_>not just i3
03:56<FelixActually>,v i3
03:56<skynet_>a couple other
03:56<judd>Package: i3 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8-2; stretch: 4.13-1+deb9u1; buster: 4.16.1-1; bullseye: 4.19-1+b1; sid: 4.19-1+b1
03:56<twb>https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/datasafe-lite/blob/master/debian/control for the "readme"
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03:57<FelixActually>Shame there's no backport for i3
03:57<twb>The process is: you plug in a USB HDD, run "datasafe-lite-init" to tag it, then swap disks once a week
03:58<FelixActually>But why GitHub? :)
03:58<twb>FelixActually: why not?
03:58<skynet_>i was so furious with i3 that i wanted to use 2 weeks to compile and make dwm useable
03:58<FelixActually>Because Microsoft
03:58<twb>FelixActually: so what
03:58<FelixActually>I trust them as far as I can throw their headquarters :)
03:59<twb>The evil empires this decade are FANG; MS is the new IBM
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04:00<twb>The actual value proposition for me is "github doesn't require javascript; gitlab does"
04:00<FelixActually>As long as Microsoft yet lives, it is an evil empire :)
04:00<skynet_>ok so at the end of the discussion am i recommended to upgrade to sid
04:00<twb>skynet_: no
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04:00<FelixActually>The FSF is working on an ethical code hosting service at least
04:00<skynet_>bullseye?
04:00<twb>skynet_: if the only thing you want is newer i3, you should backport it yourself
04:00<skynet_>ok then
04:00<twb>FelixActually: sv.gnu.org is arse
04:01<skynet_>well actually i downloaded the deps for i3 from the sid server
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04:01<FelixActually>It's not that one, it's a new one
04:01<skynet_>and manually installed it on stable
04:01<skynet_>well it works
04:01<twb>skynet_: then I guess you're done :-)
04:01<skynet_>lol ok
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04:02<FelixActually>Although that's a FrankenDebian :(
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04:03<twb>Yeah it would be better to get the build deps from stable
04:03<skynet_>ok so what about upgrading to testing?
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04:03<twb>!testing
04:03<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
04:03<skynet_>not sid
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04:04<skynet_>uhhhhhh
04:04<skynet_>uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
04:04<skynet_>ok....
04:04<twb>IOW don't use it unless you're prepared to have stuff just Not Work some days, and have to piss about fixing it
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04:05<skynet_>ok then fuck it im not gonna upgrade to testing or sid
04:05<skynet_>well how am i supposed to upgrade my gcc 8 to gcc 10
04:05<skynet_>theres so many damn deps
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04:06<twb>skynet_: why do you need gcc 10?
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04:07<skynet_>no idea
04:07<twb>Then you don't need it
04:07<skynet_>just wanted it lol
04:07<skynet_>fine .__.
04:07<twb>"upgrade for the lulz" is the opposite attitude of debian stable
04:07<twb>Obviously we're not gonna recommend that >_<
04:08<twb>If that's the attitude then sure, use testing, but you accept the increased risk/responsibility
04:08<bole>twb seconded
04:10<twb>To be fair, the amount of risk is probably no worse than any other "rolling" distro like gentoo or arch
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04:11<skynet_>always wanted to try arch
04:11<skynet_>but well it looked too complicated
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04:12<bole>skynet_ you should its a great way of learning how to use linux
04:12<bole>skynet_ it requires a lot of time and dedication though
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04:16<twb>the actual distro doesn't matter too much
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04:16<skynet_>and if my sound, mic, GUI, gcc and emacs decides to have a mental breakdown im going to have a mental breakdown
04:16<twb>what matters is having a mentor who won't blow you off for choosing one she doesn't like
04:16<FelixActually>In ethical terms it does matter though :)
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04:17<twb>FelixActually: if you care about that then trisquel is >over there<
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04:17<FelixActually>I meant to say that Debian is ethical :)
04:17<skynet_>linux is ethical
04:17<skynet_>but well unless you use it in the wrong place
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04:18<FelixActually>Android disagrees :)
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04:18<FelixActually>And Ubuntu...
04:18<FelixActually>And North Korea
04:18<skynet_>like hacking your school's systems and changing your grade lmaow
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04:18<skynet_>not like my friend hasn't done it before
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04:18<FelixActually>The Linux kernel has been used both for freeing people and subjigating them
04:19<FelixActually>But Debian GNU/Linux is ethical
04:19<FelixActually>Or at least ethical enough
04:19<skynet_>and i just learned that in fact you could just brute force your way into the school's systems
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04:21<twb>skynet_: they're using unsalted SHA1?
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04:22<skynet_>naw username: admin password: password
04:22<skynet_>look how secure
04:23<skynet_>brutus just guessed the password within 10 minutes
04:23<skynet_>well he doesnt use rainbow tables
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04:24<twb>It looks like as at Jan 2021, AD only supports unsalted SHA-1 and bcrypt :/
04:25<skynet_>it was just pure funny when our school's webpage became full of cute cat photos
04:25<skynet_>and all our grades became A+ and full 100 marks
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04:26<skynet_>well the school never caught him because my friend was clever enough to cover most of his footprints
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04:28<skynet_>oh well he was on kali and not debian
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04:46<skynet_>well is there any way on debian like you type in a secondary password which activates a script or crashes your pc?
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04:46<skynet_>kinda really need that
04:46<skynet_>i got pokey parents and I'm also hiding some stuff
04:46<skynet_>lol
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04:54<petn-randall>skynet_: Just lock your screen like everyone else.
04:55<ottavio>I asked on #Android but nobody answered. If I install Android-x86 on one partition, can I them mount my ext4 partitions with Debian from Android?
04:55<skynet_>yeah i know
04:55<skynet_>they force me to unlock my pc
04:55<petn-randall>skynet_: That's a social problem then, not a technical one.
04:55<twb>ottavio: I believe android can mount ext4, but that is off-topic for here
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04:56<petn-randall>ottavio: We can't say if Android-x86 ships with tools to mount ext4, you'll have to ask them.
04:57<ottavio><them> means there's only a mailing list and it's only for developers, they don't answer user questions.
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04:57<twb>ottavio: I suggest instead of dual-booting, make one OS a VM inside the other
04:57<ottavio>but thanks.
04:57<skynet_>petn-randall thats why i want to know if there is any way
04:57<skynet_>if i enter a second password it will just crash my pc or something
04:58<ottavio>twb: Android-x86 in a VM is a pain, even with kvm.
04:58<grove>skynet_: Ask yourself what your parents would do to you if you used such a solution
04:58<twb>ottavio: the best way to share files between VM and host is virtiofs, but I do not know if this is viable between Debian and Android at this time
04:58<twb>ottavio: ah... it worked fine for me, but I did not do any "fancy" things
04:58<twb>ottavio: and I was connecting to the VM over a 20Mbit link
04:58<skynet_>well they dont know a thing about linux
04:58<skynet_>lol
04:58<ottavio>twb: I need to run native Android appd on bare metal, but be able to run Debian applications when needed.
04:59<twb>ottavio: that is probably possible. ChromeOS calls that "crouton". I do not know about Android though, sorry
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04:59<ottavio>twb: back in the day when I was using proper Android on a tablet, I used termux.
05:00<ottavio>I even tried to compile from sources using Termux.
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05:01<petn-randall>skynet_: You don't seem to understand what I said. You can't find a technical solution to a social problem. Talk to your parents. If you're not at full age yet they might have a reason why they're monitoring your computer usage.
05:02<grove>skynet_: It doesn't really matter if they know about linux. If they want to see what you're doing and your pc crashes they'll have a clear indication that you did something you weren't supposed to do. As petn-randall said: You have a social problem not a technical one
05:02<skynet_>well they think using linux and having a terminal is bad
05:02<petn-randall>skynet_: And to answer your question: No, there's no such tool.
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05:02<skynet_>they said im becoming a hacker
05:02<skynet_>lmao
05:02<petn-randall>Maybe they're worried that you're becoming a script kiddie.
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05:04<twb>If you can afford a tenon saw you don't need to hack
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05:08<skynet_>naw i dont use scripts
05:08<skynet_>i write my own ones in C
05:08<skynet_>haha
05:08<BeefStew>What is this?
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05:10<grove>A script kiddie can write in C
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05:46<ottavio>Is it possible to convert an ext4 partition to ext2 revision 0 (aka GOOD_OLD_REV) without backing up and restoring?
05:47<ottavio>It needs to be revision 0 as I need to share it with NetBSD.
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07:59<vlt>Hello. How can I add an additional partition to a block device that contains a Debian-live image generated by live-build? This is fdisk: https://termbin.com/snze and cfdisk complains like this: "Device already contains a iso9660 signature; it will be removed by a write command."
07:59<vlt>Sqrt{not}: If I remember correctly, you offered your help when I asked this before. Any idea how to proceed?
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08:43<tecnico>Hello! I would like to know if it is possible to install "nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" on Debian 10. The wiki section about Debian 10 does not list it as an option; lists it only for Debian 9: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 .
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08:44<tecnico>Oops, the correct link is: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Desktop_Drivers
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08:45<tecnico>Brigo, blast007, jhutchins?
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08:50<Fraggle2>tecnico: download the package and try if it works
08:51<tecnico>Fraggle2, but it isn't listed as an available package!
08:51<Brigo>,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
08:51<judd>Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 304.137-0~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-8
08:51<Fraggle2>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
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08:52<Fraggle2>the SID version is from 16 Mar 2020
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08:55<Fraggle2>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx says something about unsatisfiable dependencies, but I do not know if that only affects testing or also buster
08:55<tecnico>Brigo, Fraggle2, "unstable"/sid means that I need to change my repositories to make it available to me?
08:56<Fraggle2>no, just download the deb file, as root run apt install filename.deb
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08:56<Brigo>tha package doesn't work alone, you need to download a buch of other packages as well.
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08:57<Fraggle2>you can choose to download all needed packages or learn about pinning and unstable
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08:58<Fraggle2>if you video card is so old that you do need this driver, is it not supported well enough by nouveau?
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09:00<tecnico>Fraggle2, it is a Geforce 7200/7300 GS
09:00<tecnico>Fraggle2, noveau gives better support for older cards?
09:01<Fraggle2>yes
09:01<jm_>maybe it's trivial to backport it yourself
09:01<jm_>,check-backport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
09:01<judd>Backporting package nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
09:01<jm_>looks like it is
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09:02<tecnico>jm_, fine, how do I do that?
09:02<jm_>!ssb
09:02<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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09:03<tecnico>dpkg, deb-src sid
09:03<dpkg>You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
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09:03<tecnico>dpkg, bdo
09:03<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
09:03<jm_>tecnico: you can also use /msg dpkg foo
09:04<tecnico>jm_, thanks, I'll give a try to this path you have shown to me. Later I'll tell if it worked or not.
09:05<jm_>tecnico: no problem
09:06<tecnico>Fraggle2, I don't know how to make nouveau work properly. This link shows some troubleshooting, but it doesn't seems to be related with my problem: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau#Troubleshooting
09:06<Fraggle2>tecnico: according to https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/CodeNames.html#NV40 your card has a NV40 family chip, and according to https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html this is supported quite well
09:07<Fraggle2>tecnico: what is your problem with nouveau?
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09:27<skynet_>ah nouveau gives me bad memories while i was a distro hopper a long time ago
09:27<skynet_>truly bad memories
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09:28<skynet_>trying to get it work sometimes is even harder to asking a cow to climb mount fuji
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09:32<dupondje>Is there some way to bind mount a blockdev?
09:33<dupondje>I want to make only /dev/sdd available in a chroot ..
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09:38<jm_>no, bind mount is for file systems
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09:58<Sqrt{not}>vlt, I've done it with regular fdisk, just make a linux type partition in the empty space after what you see there, then make a file system in it. I usually leave some empty space in between, but only in case I later write a new live image at the beginning which might be bigger.
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09:59<Sqrt{not}>vlt, It looks like you don't have a lot of extra space, so the empty gap in between isn't absolutely necessary.
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10:05<vlt>Sqrt{not}: Thank you! The data I posted was from a small experimental setup. Strangely, now (on Debian sid) it seems to have worked (using cfdisk), other than when I tried a few months ago (on Debian stable). I'll check if the system is still bootable.
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10:29<kiwichap>hello
10:29<kiwichap>I am trying to solve this issue
10:29<kiwichap>i'll be right back under a different username
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10:30<sixpiece>is there anyone here to be able to help?
10:31<jm_>!ask
10:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:31<sixpiece>ok my question is the same as before (still not resolved) the sound works as administrator / root but does not work under user account
10:32<sixpiece>so I am trying to figure out how to get the sound to work
10:32<ottavio>sixpiece: post the result of "id" for the user.
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10:33<ottavio>or: id <user>
10:33<sixpiece>uid=1000(sixpiece) gid=1000(sixpiece) groupes=1000(sixpiece),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),114(lpadmin),115(scanner)
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10:33<jm_>does it also not work immediately after booting and logging in as user? i.e. don't run anything as root manually
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10:33<ottavio>Ok so user is in the audio group.
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10:35<sixpiece>I'm not sure once I sign in I try the sound, it does beep but it doesn't play a youtube video or
10:35<sixpiece>speaker-test
10:35<jm_>try with speaker-test first, then try something more complex, i.e. youtube
10:36<tecnico>Fraggle2, my problem is that when I install Debian 10 with MATE interface it heavily glitches and I can't understand anything after logging in.
10:37<sixpiece>of course I just explained the problem
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10:39<ottavio>sixpiece: try different applications. If you get a beep, it means the audio system is working.
10:39<sixpiece>https://bsd.to/tre8
10:40<sixpiece>the audio isn't working
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10:40<ottavio>"audio isn't working" is a sweeping statement.
10:40<sixpiece>https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/10/msg00177.html this article made sense to me but I am not sure if it's #1 the same issue and #2 if it is the same issue how to solve it from there
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10:41<ottavio>What's your desktop environment?
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10:41<sixpiece>xfce
10:41<sixpiece>I think
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10:42<sixpiece>yes most likely
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10:43<ottavio>Have you got pavucontrol?
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10:43<sixpiece>yes I am looking at it right now
10:43<ottavio>Do you have an icon for the audio mixer?
10:43<sixpiece>how do I take a screen shot?
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10:43<ottavio>No, please no scrrenshots.
10:44<sixpiece>yes there is but they have 3 icons 1 is a speaker and it has a sort of small white x with red around it
10:44<ottavio>Have you tried this? https://wiki.debian.org/Sound
10:44<sixpiece>the other is a lock and the other is a white checkmark with green circle
10:44<ottavio>Have you tried headphones?
10:44<sixpiece>no but I don't think it would work
10:45<sixpiece>if I go in as root user everything works fine
10:45<sixpiece>I tried this debian site
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10:45<ottavio>Just try headphones first. "I don;t this it will work" is not a good attitude.
10:45<sixpiece>how do I check is the soundcard is enabled?
10:46<ottavio>If it works in root it is enabled.
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10:46<ottavio>The soundcard is either enabled or not.
10:46<sixpiece>also when I type aplay -l I get two answer not just 1 could this be a problem?
10:47<sixpiece>https://bsd.to/VNkj
10:47<sicelo>audio working when you're root? maybe the user needs to be added to audio group?
10:47<sixpiece>they are both card 0 but one is peripheral 1 the other is #2
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10:47<ottavio>sicelo: it is already, scroll up.
10:47<ottavio>sixpiece: for gods sake, try pavucontrol.
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10:48<sixpiece>yes what can I do there?
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10:48<ottavio>Just read this and try it all https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio
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10:49<sicelo>Ok.
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10:51<sixpiece>https://bsd.to/o3PY
10:51<sixpiece>very interesting so far
10:51<sixpiece>if you look at that it says the pulse audio daemon is not found
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10:52<ottavio>That's not good.
10:52<sixpiece>so what can I do?
10:53<sixpiece>also I see the directory ~/.config/pulse/ but not the file daemon.conf
10:53<ottavio> apt-cache policy pulseaudio ???
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10:53<sixpiece>but I see daemon.conf in the etc/pulse directory
10:53<sixpiece>as it is supposed to be
10:54<sixpiece>https://bsd.to/kszT
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10:56<ottavio>Try sudo systemctl start pulseaudio
10:56<ottavio>Some applications need pulseaudio and some not.
10:57<sixpiece>not found
10:57<sixpiece>failed to start and not found
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10:58<ottavio> pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start
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10:58<sixpiece>impossible to kill the daemon
10:59<sixpiece>no process of this type
10:59<ottavio>Then just pulseaudio --start
10:59<diogenes_oftc>pulseaudio -k is sufficient
11:00<ottavio>xfce doesn't start pulseuadio by default.
11:00<sixpiece>I just edited a file called /etc/pulse/client.conf
11:00<sixpiece>I removed all the comments
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11:01<ottavio>I'll be afk for an hour but I'll monitor later.
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11:01<sixpiece>ok thanks
11:01<sixpiece>I have to go to town as well soon
11:01<sixpiece>thank you for your help
11:02<sixpiece>I'm going to restart see if this solved the issue
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11:03<sixpiece>hi back
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11:06<sixpiece>https://bsd.to/fK5K
11:06<sixpiece>pulseaudio --start says it's local or something
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11:09<sixpiece>going to restart again
11:10<sixpiece>just changed the client.conf file
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11:13<sixpiece>hi I am having trouble to configure pulseaudio client
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11:23<jhutchins>ottavio: Mine does.
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11:31<jhutchins>The only thing I've ever had to do with pulseaudio is remove it in early versions. I haven't on my last few installs, and it hasn't gotten in my way.
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11:32<jhutchins>I guess tweaking and configuring is what some people enjoy though. I pretty much accept the factory defaults and get on with my life.
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11:56<Fraggle2>ottavio, jhutchins: here it also started automatically when I used xfce
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11:58<Fraggle2>and, yes, current pulseaudio works unobtrusively most of the time
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12:15<ottavio>If I install a different version of Debian onto a different partition (say Bsu
12:15<ottavio>Sorry
12:16<ottavio>say buster vs stretch , will I be able to run Stretch applications on Buster in a chroot?
12:16<ottavio>I guess not because of different kernels but I'd like your opinion.
12:17<sney>applications aren't really kernel-linked. in general the answer is yes, but for gui applications it can get complicated
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12:17<sney>some stretch stuff can be run directly on buster too. depends on what it is, what libraries it links, etc.
12:18<sney>but typically keeping something from stretch that was removed in buster is possible.
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12:18<ottavio>I tried the opposite and it didnt work, that is running buster in a chroot on stretch
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12:19<sney>backwards compatibility is usually less headache than forwards compatibility.
12:19<ottavio>I want to build a minimal Debian environment based on either stable or testing and build applications using pkgsrc but would like to be able old apps if needs be.
12:21<ottavio>(I know, not a mainstream topic here or anywhere...)
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16:14<rojin>#debian-in
16:15<jhutchins>ottavio: Libraries are what might stop you. Sometimes (bad) coders require a specific version rather than "or higher".
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16:16<jhutchins>ottavio: If you were to specify which applications you're preserving (and why) we might be able to suggest a simpler solution.
16:16<chipps>offtopic question, but /join #suckless
16:17<chipps>oh no
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16:18<ottavio>jhutchins: mostly graphical applcations that I need in an emergency, eg Libreoffice
16:19<jhutchins>ottavio: Why not run the newer version?
16:20<ottavio>Because the newer version would be a slow burner to test pkgsrc.
16:20<ottavio>The old one would be the failsafe.
16:21<ottavio>I said it wouldn't be mainstream.
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16:21<ottavio>It would take months to build a usable system using pkgsrc on Debian.
16:21<ottavio>or years
16:21<ottavio>or maybe never.
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17:26<tecnico>Brigo, jhutchins, I tried to follow !ssb instructions in order to backport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver into Debian 10, bot got 2 programs not working/not found: ldconfig and start-stop-daemon . Why is that?
17:27<tecnico>!ssb
17:27<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
17:27<tecnico>The error appeared on the 5th step.
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17:28<tecnico>These are not package names, I could not install nor show it through apt. I suppose it's a tool inside another package that I must find and install, because it's a dependence not detected by "apt build-dep"?
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17:29<Sqrt{not}>tecnico, were you working as "root" ?
17:30<VeiN>ok I'm a linux noob to some extent but especially with Debian. I tried to change from gnome to cinammon and now have a blank screen. Any ideas? I'm using this as a virtual instance through VMWARE player.
17:30<tecnico>Sqrt{not}, yes! I did "su".
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17:30<Sqrt{not}>!buster su
17:30<dpkg>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
17:31<tecnico>Quite simple, then. Thanks, I'll retry.
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17:33<VeiN>I guess I can just run a new install
17:33<VeiN>I don't have much vested into this yet.
17:33<tecnico>Sqrt{not}, I've read the wiki page, but I don't have deep knowledge of the PATH intricacies. Does that mean that neither "su" nor "sudo" will work as I expected, I will always need to add some character after them?
17:33<Mister00X>VeiN: How did you changed?
17:34<VeiN>I changed using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm'
17:34<VeiN>but then changed to gdm3 again because it went black.
17:35<tecnico>Sqrt{not}, what does the message means by "(which is not really a new thing at all...)"
17:35<Mister00X>VeiN: you can launch cinnamon form gdm3 too
17:36<VeiN>I tried then to change it to cinnamon via sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment
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17:36<VeiN>I do a login and it goes a blank screen at that point.
17:36<VeiN>when I hit ctrl alt f2 it says it is in cinnamon but in software rendering mode.
17:37<Sqrt{not}>tecnico, just doing "su -" is enough. sudo still works as expected
17:37<Sqrt{not}>tecnico, I don't know why nvz put that phrase in there.....
17:37<Mister00X>VeiN: you said you are in a VM
17:38<VeiN>I'm hoping to put REBOL on this thing once I get used to it.
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17:38<VeiN>I wrote a REBBOT IRC client years ago
17:38<tecnico>Sqrt{not}, what is nvz?
17:39<Mister00X>VeiN: I only tried cinnamon once in a vm but that was in software rendering mode too
17:39<Sqrt{not}>heh, it is a [former I guess] regular here in these channels
17:39<VeiN>yeah I can't seem to get back to square one
17:39<tecnico>Sqrt{not}, thanks, I'll try now.
17:39<VeiN>this computer is running an Nvidia card - maybe that is why
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17:40<VeiN>still thought it would go back when I switch it so thinking something is not updating right
17:40<abrotman>dpkg: sudo path
17:40<dpkg>As of sudo version 1.8.2 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
17:41<VeiN>I got other linux vm's not having a problem with it in VMWARE player but they are based on FreeBSD since they are Ontap Simulators.
17:42<VeiN>they don't run the graphics so it is likely a compatiblity between the driver and the desktop manager.
17:42<Mister00X>VeiN: In a VM you have virtual hardware
17:42<VeiN>right but it still has to interface with the driver in my windows machine, correct?
17:43<Mister00X>VeiN: yes but it simulates hardware to the os in the vm
17:43<VeiN>in other words, it has to hand off to a lower layer to the OS which is what VMWARE then renders on the screen.
17:43<Mister00X>VeiN: so it doesnt matter
17:43<Mister00X>as long as you dont pass the hardware thru
17:44<VeiN>ok
17:44<VeiN>I'll do some more poking around somewhere and maybe I can figure it out
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17:44<Mister00X>VeiN: good luck
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17:44<VeiN>thx Mister00x
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17:46<Sqrt{not}>abrotman, on a brand-new buster (and this old stretch) /etc/sudoers contains this: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
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17:49<VeiN>What is the best way to quickly read a text file from commandline?
17:49<VeiN>or terminal
17:50<VeiN>also where would the desktop manager log to?
17:50<VeiN>I'm guessing that var/log/messages may have system messages?
17:50<jhutchins>VeiN: less, more, or vi
17:50<VeiN>ok, thanks
17:51<jhutchins>VeiN: vi is actually an editor.
17:51<Mister00X>jhutchins: vi? honestly for an beginner
17:51<sarnold>VeiN: journalctl sometimes, ~/.xsession-errors sometimes
17:51<VeiN>yep, I know that from Onstap OS but remember it was a pain the ass for someone new to linux
17:51<sarnold>everyone was a vi beginner at some point..
17:52<jmcnaught>You can run vim as 'view' and it's a pager.
17:52<jhutchins>Mister00X: Start 'em early.
17:52<Sqrt{not}>abrotman, I know that is 100% stock default /etc/sudoers on the new buster machine; anything is possible on this older box.
17:52<VeiN>heh
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17:52<Mister00X>jhutchins: i see. I allways use nano when explaining stuff
17:53*Mister00X didn't want to start the editor war again....
17:53<jhutchins>Mister00X: I think that the pure text format of vi helps users get a little more comfortable with the console (once they figure it out).
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17:53<Mister00X>jhutchins: never thought of it that way
17:54<jhutchins>Mister00X: You'll notice it was not my first recommendation though, I was just trying to be thorough.
17:54<Sqrt{not}>dpkg: start an editor war
17:54<dpkg>joe is known to cause terminal cluelessness!
17:55<Mister00X>jhutchins: true
17:55<jhutchins>Mister00X: Nano didn't use to be a default package. You almost always have at least vi-minimal.
17:55<Mister00X>jhutchins: right I forgot that vi is the overall standard
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17:56<Mister00X>jhutchins: I was more like visudo opens nano therefore nano = standard
17:57<Sqrt{not}>ewww, so it does!
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17:58<VeiN>how do I get out of less output?
17:58<Sqrt{not}>q
17:58<Sqrt{not}>type "q" or ctrl-C
17:58<VeiN>q worked - ctrl-c didn't
17:59<Sqrt{not}>or ctrl-D
17:59<VeiN>thanks
17:59<jhutchins>I think visudo opens $EDITOR, which can be set to either Nano or vi.
17:59<Mister00X>or emacs
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18:00<jhutchins>Mister00X: I'm a fossil, nano wasn't around (or at least wasn't common) when I started learning.
18:01<Sqrt{not}>hmmm, "echo $EDITOR" outputs a blank line here, on both buster and stretch
18:01<Sqrt{not}>VeiN, you're right ctrl-C and ctrl-D both don't work, but q is good
18:01<Mister00X>jhutchins: well if it works it works. I just became annoyed of how to exit vim memes
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18:02<sarnold>iirc neither EDITOR nor VISUAL are set by defaullt on debian; there's a sensible-editor that is common? policy? that will prompt users which editor to use and store it in a config in their homedir
18:02<jhutchins>Ok, it's not a environment variable after all.
18:02<jmcnaught>visudo(8) says it runs /usr/bin/editor which can be configured with update-alternatives
18:02<VeiN>yep, thanks Sqrt{not}
18:02<sarnold>but sensible-editor and many tools will use $VISUAL if it's set, $EDITOR if that is set, before falling back to a hardcoded list of editors
18:02<VeiN>I discovered tail -n xxx works nicely.
18:03<sarnold>when there's a dozen files in a directory I want to read, I often use head 100 * or something similar, to get pretty little indicators of filenames and contents and let me see em all at once
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18:04<Mister00X>I think we all forgett about the real standard editor ed
18:04<VeiN>see this error:
18:04<sarnold>ed man! man ed! the standard! :)
18:04<Sqrt{not}>at least nano has the help info at the bottom, so most people don't have to ask how to exit..
18:04<jhutchins>it's also in the alternatives system, and /usr/bin/editor
18:05<VeiN>ugg nevermind - can't copy it out.
18:05<VeiN>failed to activate service 'org.bluez'
18:06<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: Yeah, and it has a gui-style menu and has graphics, but I think one of the things that makes you good at linux is being able to completely exit the GUI paradigm, and vi can help you develop good shell habits.
18:06<Sqrt{not}>,i bluez
18:06<judd>Package bluez (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Bluetooth tools and daemons. Version: 5.50-1.2~deb10u1; Size: 1006.1k; Installed: 4768k; Homepage: http://www.bluez.org
18:07<Sqrt{not}>jhutchins, completely agree. vim is my first choice.
18:07<jhutchins>Mister00X: GPM will give you a mouse and clipboard in console mode.
18:08<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: I install a linux VM so I'll have VIM when I have an official Windows work computer.
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18:08<Mister00X>jhutchins: I think that was meant for VeiN
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18:09<VeiN>yes thanks. I guess that is unrelated to the problem though. Maybe something I clickedon.
18:09<Sqrt{not}>if you don't use bluetooth, safe to ignore it
18:11<jhutchins>I think it's martini time, and evening news. Y'all have fun.
18:11<sarnold>\o/
18:12<Mister00X>o/
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18:18<VeiN>maybe this error - 'no xrandr-Virtual1 device found: Failed to find output
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18:22<VeiN>ugg, the solution maybe at redhat - https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2695771
18:22<VeiN>don't have access
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19:24<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, sudo path
19:24<dpkg>For a short time in 2011, sudo did not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. The default path for usage of sudo is now set in /etc/sudoers by this: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
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19:25<maxxxin>hey peeps
19:25<maxxxin>need some help
19:26<Sqrt{not}>hi maxxxin you are in the right place
19:26<maxxxin>good to hear
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19:26<maxxxin>i am really new to Linux and studying it at the moment
19:27<maxxxin>installed Debian (latest) on my laptop but have no idea how to install the video drivers
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19:28<maxxxin>I have a Lenovo P50s which has two video cards, one is an Nvidia Quad which the drivers are installed and the other is an Intel card
19:28<maxxxin>whivch is the main card
19:29<maxxxin>no linux drivers are available on the Lenovo website
19:29<Sqrt{not}>maxxxin, yeah, this is a common quandary. don't look for drivers at lenovo, there are answers withing debian
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19:29<maxxxin>yeah learnt that the hard way
19:30<Sqrt{not}>I am not very knowledgeable, but be patient here, other users will give you good advice
19:30<maxxxin>Thank you Sqrt
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19:33<sney>maxxxin: dual nvidia/intel gpu setups have variable support depending on hardware configuration, though it's gotten better in recent years. most instructions for using it with debian are here: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus
19:34<sney>if by debian (latest) you mean testing, it should be pretty straightforward under the 'prime render offload' section; if you're using stable, there are other options for you including bumblebee.
19:35<sney>if you have any specific follow-up questions feel free to ask. I do not have optimus hardware, but I've helped a few #debian visitors figure it out.
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19:49<n00bdebian>hi
19:49<n00bdebian>dont look my nick
19:49<n00bdebian>ngl
19:49<n00bdebian>i use mx linux
19:49<sney>!mxlinux
19:49<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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19:49<abrotman>that was easy
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19:51<sney>still #1 on distrowatch, so still the lowest common denominator
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20:18<H-var>has anyone tried gkrellm?
20:19<sarnold>perhaps twenty years ago..
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20:20<H-var>are there better programs?
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20:20<sarnold>there's probably a dozen of these kinds of things because no two people can agree on what makes for a nice one :) hehe
20:21<H-var>which one do you use?
20:21<sarnold>using pcp or feeding data into grafana / influx etc is probably the more popular place to start with these
20:22<sarnold>now I use i3bar and i3status
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20:25<kiwichap>hi
20:25<kiwichap>I wanted to thank everyone that helped me solve the issue of the sound not working it works not
20:25<kiwichap>now
20:25<kiwichap>now I just got to figure out what to do in debian but
20:25<kiwichap>everything is working
20:25<sarnold>don't worry something else will need fixing soon enough :D
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20:37<keycollector>Filesystem passthrough in KVM/QUEM is very slow compared to the speeds the disk on the host. Is this normal?
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20:42<VeiN>Hey all. I think I figured out why I got a blank screen when I changed my desktop manager. Since I was new and doing this through VMWARE, I had at first changed the display settings but never logged off. Then I went back and changed the display manager and rebooted. I think this caused it to be a blank screen.
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20:45<VeiN>is there a commandline way to change your display resolution?
20:45<sarnold>xrandr can
20:46<VeiN>that the command?
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20:47<VeiN>man page for that command is pretty complex
20:48<keycollector>xrandr is the proper way via terminal
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20:49<VeiN>yes that looks complicated. Is there a application name in cinnamon to do this?
20:49<VeiN>I'm only in the software rendering mode so not sure where to do that as I don't see in display settings.
20:50<kiwichap>yes xrandr
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20:50<kiwichap>what is software rendering mode?
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20:51<kiwichap>ok I did the same thing 10 minutes ago
20:51<kiwichap>well not the same
20:51<kiwichap>but I made a mistake in my startup script
20:51<VeiN>excellent - foudn it = thanks
20:51<kiwichap>so I booted it in safe mode
20:51<kiwichap>k sounds good
20:52<kiwichap>the best was when I changed my keyboard to some other language and then made my password with those characters and you guys taught me how to use unicode
20:52<kiwichap>cause I changed the keyboard to usa
20:53<kiwichap>and was able to get back in
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20:55<VeiN>ok so interesting. I changed the display settings to a higher resolution and logged off and switch to another user I created (it doesn't have this problem). Then I logged off to the problem user and the blank screen went away but it still logs in directly to Cinnamon in software rendering mode. Gotta figure out how to get out of this mode.
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20:56<VeiN>Can I switch to gdm3 from the Cinnamon environment?
20:58<sney>if you're using debian as a vm guest, you will probably need to install the guest utilities/modules that your hypervisor uses, and even then you might still be stuck with software rendering. hardware acceleration is only available when a graphics accelerator is available to debian
20:58<VeiN>Its a gaming system so there is a lot of acceleration on this beast. MSI gaming system.
20:58<VeiN>32 Gig of RAM
20:59<sney>great, but if debian is running in vmware, then the linux kernel cannot see or use your gaming video card
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20:59<VeiN>well gnome on the second user is not getting this problem
20:59<VeiN>it only happened when I attempted to switch to cinnamon.
21:00<sney>were you using gnome with wayland?
21:01<VeiN>not sure what wayland is but when I first installed it was working with defaults as I didn't change the desktop manager at that point.
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21:03<sney>gnome in debian 10 uses wayland instead of xorg by default. everything else uses xorg. so if you had some video thing working in gnome, but not in a different DE, it may be an xorg issue.
21:05<sney>guest acceleration in vmware guests seems to be supported by xserver-xorg-video-vmware. it would also help if you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:06<keycollector>sney is my hero. Knows everything under the sun with linux, new and old
21:06<VeiN>how do I do this xserver-xorg-video-vmware thing?
21:06<VeiN>is that a package that needs installed?
21:07<VeiN>give me time and I can become a guru on this also.
21:07<VeiN>we only got 20 years left though
21:08<VeiN>actually a bit less
21:10<VeiN>boom sney. I think your right about that. It is a package.
21:10<VeiN>I need to figure out how to install it now. <noob
21:12<sney>xserver-xorg-video-vmware is a package, yes. usually it is installed automatically.
21:13<sney>!refcard
21:13<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
21:13<sney>you can use the 'apt' tools referenced in the refcard to find out if it is installed, and install it if needed
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21:14<VeiN>actually found some instructions. I did a su -l and logged in a root and did an install
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21:15<VeiN>did a apt-get install on it.
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21:15<VeiN>seemed like it already saw it though
21:15<lvmidiot>hey guys. i made a big mistake
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21:16<lvmidiot>basically, i had a debian install setup with lvm/luks. all was good. had 25gb of free disk space, mounted it and extended my root partition to it
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21:17<lvmidiot>extended my root to the 25gb /dev/sda2.
21:17<lvmidiot>then , i decided to delete the /dev/sda2 partition and format it
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21:18<VeiN>uggg updating that didn't fix it. Still get the software rendering mode after reboot.
21:18<lvmidiot>and now when i try and boot into my debian install, i get flooded with "there are physical volumes missing, use --activationmode partial' to override
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21:18<VeiN>gonna take a break and get some more vodka
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21:18<lvmidiot>how can i fix this? so sad lol
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21:19<lvmidiot>if this is allowed, i'll give a btc tip to whoever can help me fix this shit
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21:20<kiwichap>you need to remount the drive
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21:21<kiwichap>I think if you go to archlinux installation instructions it will help you
21:21<lvmidiot>ok, i just made a live cd i should be able to do that with
21:21<sney>I've never debugged lvm, but I'd start with looking at the manual and search for that 'activationmode partial' string for more information.
21:21<sney>(and it may not be possible if there was important filesystem bits on the part of the lv that you removed)
21:22<kiwichap># mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
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21:22<lvmidiot>there was nothing on the lv that i removed, it was completely empty
21:22<lvmidiot>i had just added it, blank space, removed it right after
21:22<kiwichap>yes sorry I am understanding what I think you did maybe and not what you did
21:22<sney>then the advice is the same
21:23<lvmidiot>ok, kiwi, is there anything you think i should do once mounted?
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21:23<lvmidiot>thanks sney. i'll take a look in a min
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21:44<VeiN>ok so I ran the following command 'systemctl status display-manager.service' and it shows that I'm using gdm3 - however, my display is using the software rendering of Cinnamon.
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22:38<Guest10912>Hello
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22:41<dvs>zzzzzzzzzz
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22:41<sney>!chat
22:41<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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22:49<rnm>I quite lost on debian wiki. I joined debian-user mailing list and check the archieve. but it look like everyone on very good level as developer. I looking a way on how I can get involve with debian.. can you show me the way?
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22:50<koolkat332>sure rnm
22:50<koolkat332>you sound kool so what do you want to know?
22:51<koolkat332>first of all Debian is the number 1 operating system out there provided by a non for profit organization Software for the Public Interest, it is used practically all over the world by every government you can think of and many serious organizations
22:51<sney>!how can i help
22:51<dpkg>Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. https://debian.org/intro/help
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22:51<sney>rnm: see this message from dpkg^
22:51<sney>also just use software, report bugs you find, idle here or on debian-user and help others figure out problems they have, etc
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22:54<koolkat332>rnm here is the package list ... https://packages.debian.org/stable/ , if you are missing something you can always develop it
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23:03<koolkat332>rnm you can build systems with it, you can do accounting, you can manage data, you can develop electronics, music, video, work with sensors, security, communication, comprehensive organizational , erp , etc.. so many things , play games, etc..
23:03<koolkat332>rnm write documents send emails, etc..
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23:13<rnm>great info koolkat332
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23:17<rnm>sney, koolkat332 are debian have someway give who help some recognition like give own wiki page, give email alias etc
23:17<sney>rnm: sure, but not right away
23:18<sney>I could have a wiki page, I haven't gotten around to it. I'd have to be a full developer to get an email address
23:18<sney>if internet recognition is your goal, this may not be the project for you.
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23:24<rnm>my country, previously have own team as that involve with debian. but been 10 years so they not involve with Debian. They also not interested to get involve anymore. But maybe someone outside there want to get involve. Should I create a community like another person created previously?
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23:27<sney>only you can answer
23:27<koolkat332>rnm they do just one second
23:28<koolkat332>rnm https://www.spi-inc.org/donations/
23:29<koolkat332>rnm they are making billions of dollars though so it's not something you need to necessarily stress but it's a good foundation
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23:32<koolkat332>maybe I was wrong on the billions it seems they only make 2 million dollars which is kind of petty
23:33<koolkat332>I saw amazon smile on their website so I figured that meant that they were rolling they don't mention Microsoft Bing for example, that allows me to give them money just by searching with Bing
23:33<sney>!offtopic
23:33<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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23:34<koolkat332>ok thanks
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