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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-01-25

---Logopened Mon Jan 25 00:00:09 2021
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00:29<xue>hi, plz help
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00:30<xue>how to change alt_date value in LC_TIME locale without making great mess
00:30<xue>?
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00:41<gry_>Hi xue. How do you view the current value?
00:42<xue>gry_: i used 'locale LC_TIME' to get it, but its empty now
00:43<xue>and i want to fill it with roman numerals, for 'date' command
00:44<xue>date man page suggest this solution, but i dont know how to change it within my current locale
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01:24<xue>guys please
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02:13<bolo>hi
02:15<bolo>why my sparky linux boot slow 41s ?
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08:14<dvs>!ops dodcrypto spreading join spam
08:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: dvs complains about a problem (see above)
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08:20<ottavio>I have an interesting case. I have 3 qemu instances in front on me. Ctrl-middle button (paste) works in only one instance, but not in the other two. Any ideas?
08:20<Fraggle2>same guest OSes?
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08:20<ottavio>It used to work on all instances (guests are FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD).
08:21<Fraggle2>it suddenly stopped working on two instances?
08:21<ottavio>Yeah, for the last week or so.
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08:22<Fraggle2>strange
08:22<ottavio>The only thing I added recently was "--nodefaults" on all of the 3 VMs.
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08:24<ottavio>https://termbin.com/as7w
08:26<ottavio>Sorry all. I posted this to the wrong channel. Apologies.
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09:34<pgimeno>I got a message from the bug tracker with reply-to address 980828-quiet@bugs.debian.org, but I don't know what -quiet means. Where can I find out what these addresses mean?
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09:35<bremner>pgimeno: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#followup
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09:36<pgimeno>ah thanks bremner
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09:38<pgimeno>jhutchins: FYI, if you remember the 'mount -r' issue, it turned out to be a bug in libmount. It's now fixed upstream and in Debian. https://github.com/karelzak/util-linux/issues/1235
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10:04<Guest11328>hey
10:05<Sqrt{not}>Hi user
10:05<Guest11328>who are you
10:05<Sqrt{not}>!chat
10:05<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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13:10<xue>hi, ill ask again my question, as it remained unaswered
13:11<xue>How to change alt_date value in LC_TIME locale without making much mess?
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13:40<FelixActually>xue: What do you mean when you say "without making much mess"?
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13:53<xue>FelixActually: i dont wanna break whole system, can you show me a smart way to do it
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13:56<Nonglobal>Hi guys.
13:56<Nonglobal>I'm new in debian after several year working with Fedora.
13:56<Sqrt{not}>hi Nonglobal -- welcome
13:56<Nonglobal>Thanks Sqrt{not}
13:57<FelixActually>Sqrt{not}: Are you able to help xue?
13:57<Nonglobal>I have some doubts regarding the kernel updates.
13:57<Sqrt{not}>FelixActually, from the scrollback, it looks way beyond my ability
13:58<FelixActually>Alright
13:58<FelixActually>xue: Is this something vital?
13:58<jhutchins>xue: What is your actual goal?
13:58<xue>roman numerals in 'date'
13:59<Sqrt{not}>Nonglobal, what's your situation, what's your goal, what are your doubts ;)
13:59<xue>ill just copy my current locale definition and look up some tutorials on how to create your own
13:59<Sqrt{not}>xue, just save a copy of your current config, so you can restore in case things don't work right away
13:59<Nonglobal>I'm using Debian 10. Now my kernel version is 4.19.0-13-amd64. I don't know if is the last version or my system isn't getting the kernel updates.
14:00<xue>it shouldnt be so difficult, but i thought that i can use a hacky comand and put it into .bashrc
14:00<Sqrt{not}>let's see the current state of kernel versions, I will ask judd
14:00<xue>Sqrt{not}: im not 12 or smth
14:00<Sqrt{not}>,kernels
14:00<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-1-686 (5.10.4-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.9.15-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
14:00<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
14:00<Blohsh>can anyone help me with this error of cmake? https://vvcap.com/img/oe6UNHWoB.png
14:01<jhutchins>xue: I would be suprised if that was possible. The actual value of date is a single number.
14:01<xue>jhutchins: ?
14:01<jhutchins>xue: You would have to write a program that read that value and translated it to roman numbers.
14:01<Sqrt{not}>Nonglobal, so that is the current kernel in debian stable. if you need a newer one, the "buster-backports" kernel can be installed easily
14:02<jhutchins>,kernels
14:02<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-1-686 (5.10.4-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.9.15-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
14:02<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
14:02<xue>jhutchins: no, 'date' alows you to use non-stadard numerals, defined as alt_date in LC_TIME
14:02<jhutchins>Nonglobal: You appear to have the latest mainstream stable kernel. There have been problems reported with rececnt backports.
14:03<Nonglobal>Thanks Sqrt{not} . I don't need new version. I prefer stable.
14:03<jhutchins>xue: Make a copy of the file, edit it, see if it works.
14:03<FelixActually>jhutchins: What problems have been reported?
14:03<jhutchins>xue: You're probably not going to find anybody here who has done that.
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14:03<xue>jhutchins: i am not 12, as i said
14:04<xue>no need to remind me about backups
14:04<Nonglobal>judd, Where I can find the info about the available kernel versions that you pasted here?
14:04<FelixActually>judd is a bot Nonglobal
14:04<jhutchins>FelixActually: Certain hardware not working. Not a lot.
14:04<FelixActually>So presumably unrelated to the freezes I'm getting then jhutchins
14:04<jhutchins>Nonglobal: judd is our database bot.
14:05<Nonglobal>FelixActually, ahahah. I'm so new eheheh
14:05<jhutchins>FelixActually: Do you get them with the backported kernels, and not with the mainstream version?
14:05<FelixActually>We all were at one point Nonglobal :)
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14:05<FelixActually>I'm not sure jhutchins, it only started happening after a kernel upgrade so could be coincidence
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14:06<Sqrt{not}>Nonglobal, also available here: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
14:06<Nonglobal>jhutchins, no backported repo. It's ok.
14:06<jhutchins>FelixActually: Don't worry, dpkg has been known to have lengthy, if not very intelligible dialogs with people who don't realize it's a bot.
14:06<Nonglobal>Merci Sqrt{not}
14:06<jhutchins>Er, that was for Nonglobal
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14:07<Sqrt{not}>or you can always ask judd here: /msg judd kernels
14:07<Nonglobal>Wonderfull
14:07<Blohsh>can anyone help me ? https://vvcap.com/img/oe6UNHWoB.png
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14:07<jhutchins>Blohsh: Please summarize your question so we know whether we should follow the link.
14:08<Sqrt{not}>Nonglobal, https://packages.debian.org/ is a very useful resource.. a little experimenting will get you to like it a lot
14:08<Blohsh>(jhutchins): that's cmake warning error screenshot
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14:09<jhutchins>Blohsh: Yes, I assumed it was.
14:09<jhutchins>Blohsh: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
14:10<jhutchins>Blohsh: Warnings are not necessarily failures.
14:10<Blohsh>(jhutchins): when i do "cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="$HOME/.local"
14:10<Sqrt{not}>Non-global, here some advice about security updates:
14:10<Blohsh>it gives ">"
14:10<Sqrt{not}>!buster-security
14:10<dpkg>On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>.
14:10<Blohsh>then i again have to put "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="$HOME/.local" and press "enter" then all process starts
14:10<Blohsh>and at end i get those warnings
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14:11<imMute>Blohsh: did you not match quote marks?
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14:12<jhutchins>Blohsh: Obvious solution is to remove the newlines. Also, it's better to use the explicit path than an environment variable for $HOME.
14:12<Blohsh>ohk
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14:13<Blohsh> cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/home/xf/.local>
14:13<Blohsh> cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/home/xf/.local>
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14:13<Blohsh>omg..
14:13<Blohsh>when i do that command it gives a >
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14:13<Blohsh>in terminal
14:13<Sqrt{not}>Nonglobal, dpkg is also a very knowledgeable bot. when it says " See also <sources.list>" it means you can type: /msg dpkg sources.list
14:13<Blohsh>then i again have to put the install prefix? @jhutchins?
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14:15<Blohsh>(jhutchins): tried with proper path but still same problem
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14:16<Blohsh>it is also making problem in "make"
14:16<Blohsh>there's something wrong with cmake...
14:17<jhutchins>Blohsh: That's not what's causing the problem. What I would guess is that you have an unclosed quote in the makefile.
14:17<imMute>Blohsh: here's what you need to enter: cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/home/xf/.local"
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14:17<jhutchins>Blohsh: I'd have to guess, because you haven't said what you're trying to build or where you got the sourec.
14:17<Blohsh>(imMute): oh thanks.!
14:17<Blohsh>worked!
14:18<imMute>Blohsh: note the quotation marks and how there's an even number of them in my command but not yours
14:18<jhutchins>imMute: Glad you able to identify that.
14:18<Blohsh>(imMute): oh
14:18<imMute>jhutchins: "it gives ">"" and entering the same text again starting the command was the clue
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14:18<imMute>since the text has an odd number of quotes. odd + odd = even
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14:24<Blohsh>i don't know how i missed the last quotation :o
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14:34<Guest11346>film
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14:35<Guest11346>lezione di persiano
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14:35<sarnold>!it
14:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. - debian-italian@lists.debian.org
14:35<sarnold>no irc? :(
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14:48<olasd>sarnold: it mentions #debian-it too
14:48<sarnold>olasd: dude. can I go back to the weekend? :)
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14:49<olasd>sarnold: hear hear
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15:14<shc_>film
15:14<Sqrt{not}>These aren't cinephiles maybe, I read gypsy doctor
15:15<Nonglobal>In debian 10, if I want to add composed character what file I must to edit?
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15:16<Nonglobal>Better question: How I know what file in /usr/share/X11/locale I must edit?
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16:40<debacle>$ cat ~/.XCompose
16:40<debacle>include "%L" # import default Compose file
16:40<debacle><Multi_key> <b> <e> : "β" U03B2
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16:41<debacle>Nonglobal ^
16:42<debacle>Most recent line: <Multi_key> <o> <x> : "🐂"
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16:49<Fraggle2>< 🐂 >
16:49<Fraggle2> ----
16:49<Fraggle2> \ ^__^
16:49<Fraggle2> \ (oo)\_______
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16:50<Fraggle2>i am really sorry...
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16:52<debacle>Fraggle2 Thanks! Yes, it is an ox emoji :-)
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16:55<Mate_Rhyu>Hi everyone, good having found a way to join here, this is just a test (sorry): I'll be back for an issue I'm having while I can boot my older computer and stay some hours happily troubleshooting things
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16:58<Mate_Rhyu>When the time is right I hope there'll be someone willing to help this foolish proprietary-driver-user for the mighty ol' Debian to work with them (the cursed drivers)
16:58<Fraggle2>Mate_Rhyu: which driver?
16:59<Mate_Rhyu>nvidia-driver
16:59<Fraggle2>easy, debian prepackages the nvidia driver in the non-free section
16:59<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
17:00<Mate_Rhyu>I've followed the debian wiki, tried various alternative path suggested if things didn't work just by "apt install nvidia-driver" and still no luck
17:00<blast007>the nvidia-detect package can help you figure out which driver package to install
17:00<Mate_Rhyu>I've done all of it, but thank you for pointing sources out, at least I know I've searched through the right places
17:01<blast007>which GPU do you have?
17:01<Mate_Rhyu>1: already tried with the non-free debian install; 2: already read and followed the wiki; 3: already did everything starting from nvidia-detect
17:02<Fraggle2>and what is the problem?
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17:03<Mate_Rhyu>Integrated Intel graphic processor with Dedicated GPU: nvidia GeForce GTX 850M (yes it's a laptop)
17:03<blast007>ah, so hybrid graphics
17:04<Mate_Rhyu>Problem is: when I try running nvidia-settings it says "unable to load..."
17:04<blast007>the info here might help: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus
17:04<Mate_Rhyu>Basically no one attemp resulted in graphics working
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17:05<Mate_Rhyu>Ok that's already a good thing I can discuss without opening my old computer and try along: I have hybrid graphics, isn't it?
17:05<Mate_Rhyu>Because, in that case, I shouldn't follow this guide > https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_10_.22Buster.22
17:05<Mate_Rhyu>?
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17:08<blast007>I don't know exactly how it all works because I avoid hybrid graphics
17:08<Mate_Rhyu>Understood, though your simple comment may have got the point
17:09<blast007>there can be some "fun" things with hybrid graphics where, for instance, the discrete GPU (the nVidia in this case) isn't directly connected to the display, so configuration or software is needed to pipe the output back through the integrated Intel graphics
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17:10<Mate_Rhyu>I tried all of the methods in the wiki.debian /NvidiaGraphicDrivers, but avoided going into Optimus (bumblebee?), because I've read those were for those knowing they needed from the start
17:11<Mate_Rhyu>Since I did not, well, I assumed I should go vanilla first
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17:12<Mate_Rhyu>And blast007 yes, I had "fun", but after reinstalling for the 2rd time and for each time trying all of the procedures to check if I missed something... well I'm not enjoying it so much anymore
17:13<Mate_Rhyu>At least I'd like to understand better what my issue is about rather than blindly going on trying every possible way
17:17<Mate_Rhyu>But I guess an Optimus prime (someone please confirms that's an intended pun...) would be my next ride... once I had Debian installed properly > last try left the system kinda broken with bash-only login and startx not working
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17:19<Mate_Rhyu>Thank you blast007 and Fraggle2 for this brief discussion!!
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17:22<mendel_munkis>thanks for reminding me, does anyone know if gpu offloading is possible with sway?
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17:31<Mate_Rhyu>No idea, sorry, though I now have one more questions about my issue: 1- if I go with the Optimus method, would running "nvidia-settings" work? Or only if adding "__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 " before?
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17:36<h-var>I tried running a test video on windows, and it never used any more than 8-10% of my CPU, but on Debian, it uses 35-60% of my CPU. What's up with that?
17:37<imMute>h-var: maybe windows has a more optimized implementation. maybe windows is using GPU acceleration.
17:38<Fraggle2>h-var: compare with the same player. vlc is available for both plattforms
17:38<h-var>I used MPV
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17:38<Fraggle2>ok
17:41<Mate_Rhyu>I know it's not polite to repeat previously asked question, nor it is to "ask to ask", so do have anyone an answer for the "nvidia-settings" thing?
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17:44<jhutchins>Mate_Rhyu: It's ok to repeat if it's been a little while - more like 10-15 minutes than 5-10, and if the question has scrolled off the screen.
17:45<jhutchins>2~!nvidia
17:45<jhutchins>1nvidia
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17:45<jhutchins>SHeesh.
17:45<jhutchins>!nvidia
17:45<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
17:46<Mate_Rhyu>Thanks then: if I go with the Optimus method, would running "nvidia-settings" work? Or only if adding "__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 " before it?
17:46<jhutchins>Mate_Rhyu: Best to ask in #nvidia.
17:48<Mate_Rhyu>Ok jhutchins thank you again for the advice: have a great time everyone
17:49<jhutchins>!bumblebee
17:49<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
17:49<jhutchins>Mate_Rhyu: See above.
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17:53<Mate_Rhyu>@jhutchins are you suggesting me I should go with Bumblebee rather than Optimus?
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17:55<jhutchins>Mate_Rhyu: I have no specific knowledge. I know a little about bumblebee, mostly that it addresses the hybrid grapics. No idea what Optimus is supposed to do.
17:56<jhutchins>Ok, Optimus is not for linux as far as I can tell, bumblebee is what you want.
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17:56<Mate_Rhyu>Understood then I'm reading the whole wiki for both and choose myself
17:56<jhutchins>Excellent, that's what I was about to suggest.
17:57<Mate_Rhyu>Oh, uhm, I won't say so about "optimus not being for Linux". I mean the wiki tells Optimus is the first method (even though it might not work well in release previous to Bullseye)
17:57<blast007>Optimus is the name of the technology, which Bumblebee enables support for.
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17:58<jhutchins>blast007: Yeah, that's what I thought, but things change.
17:58<blast007>yeah, there's been various forms of hybrid graphics over the years
17:58<blast007>I don't know if all of the Intel + nVidia is "Optimus"
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17:59<Mate_Rhyu>blast007: Got it, but the wiki says "Using PRIME Render Offload" is a way, not requiring workarounds for Bullseyes
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18:01<Mate_Rhyu>But I'm on Buster, and not willing to go for unstable or testing, so I'm trying the suggested workarounds for Optimus and if it doesn't work then going for Bumblebee
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18:01<S[r]us>hmm. seems as though the nftables-based iptables compatibility layer doesn't support the -j TTL target. Why is that? even iptables-legacy doesn't work: iptables v1.8.2 (legacy): unknown option "TTL"
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18:02<S[r]us>now my firewall is partially broken :/
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18:09<jhutchins>S[r]us: It looks like you'll have to bite the bullet and read the docs.
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18:11<jhutchins>S[r]us: Why are you testing ttl anyway?
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18:49<alex_>Hi, Linuxists!
18:50<alex11>hello other alex
18:52*sarnold wonders if we now have 12 or 2 alexes
18:53<alex_>I.ve get the messaga about my nick is in use and is protected. Does I need to change it?
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18:54<sarnold>I don't think so, the alex_ account in nickserv says enforce is currently off
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18:54<alex_>ok next time I'll take new nikname
18:55<alex_>thank
18:56<alex_>I'm in Prague EU CZ
18:56<sarnold>eh, the old alex_ hasn't been around in 16-ish years, he probably doesn't care
18:56<sarnold>ahoj :)
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18:56<alex_>ahojky
18:58<alex_>pls explane me what mean the '*'?
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18:58<alex_>why * told in Russian?
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18:59<alex_>ok understud
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18:59<sarnold>alex_: in which context? * can mean a lot of different things based on where it's used
18:59<alex_>nice chat
19:00<alex_>old style
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19:09<S[r]us>jhutchins: not testing TTL, modifying it. need that for getting multicast IPTV streeams through my nat
19:10<S[r]us>used to work for older iptables (pre-nftables)
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